A lot of people in the comments below do not have understanding or Revelation and do not know the difference between the sovereignty of God and predestination this is the greatest message bill has ever preached may God give you understanding so you can be like Christ and be a world changer.

@travisbergh3923

6 жыл бұрын

Robert Lynn couldn't agree more. They should Rebrand Calvinism and call it Fatalism. Because the understanding of God's sovereignty in today's Church is what has led to good people being able to see all the atrocity in the world, shrug their shoulders, call it God's will, and go back to their golf game. God's Sovereign will is that we do something, pray for change, exact change in the world that he's given us dominion over. Arguing over whether or not he predestined or had foreknowledge of it seems a little irrelevant to me. Just to be clear I do believe in Divine election, and God Sovereign Grace saving us. That much is very clear in the scripture . The part that people are missing is that he saved us unto good works that we are to do with the power and authority that he has given us. I cannot believe how badly this notion of sovreign Control has invaded the church. The headline might as well read "John Calvin capping the work of the holy spirit for almost 500 years."

Romans 9:17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”

@TheOneTheyCallRyYan

7 жыл бұрын

waltermclauren Exactly brother.

If God was in control of everything all would be saved. God is not in control of your will nor anyone else's.

@sistersofafeather

4 жыл бұрын

God is "in charge" but he is not sovereign, not in control? God has his "hands so-called handcuffed," and we release him through our prayers? Where are these teachings in the Bible? All you who seem enamored with Bill Johnson and Bethel Church, do you know what a false teacher looks and sounds like? And what about the people that love to sit at the feet of false teachers? what does it say about them, possibly you? 2 Timothy 4:1-4, " I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. " Is this you? Have you sought out teachers that will tell you what you want to hear, instead of what you need to hear? Have you turned away from the truth and wandered in to myths and a mythical God or god? I don't mean to be sarcastic, but do you really study your Bibles? Here is a short list of verses that prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the God is the Bible is indeed in control of all things, all the time. God rules over all his creation, over all peoples and over all events in history for his glory, for the gospel and the good of his people. Psalm 115:3 Isaiah 45:5-7 Isaiah 46:8-10 Romans 8:28 Proverbs 21:1 Deuteronomy 32:39 Ephesians 1:11 Lamentations 3:37-39 Colossians 1:15-17 Proverbs 16:33 Job 42:2 Ephesians 1:4 Genesis 50:19-20 Romans 9:14-18 Isaiah 40:12-18 After reading these verses you are faced with a question: Is Bill Johnson's God (the God worshipped that Bethel church) the God of the Bible? Or, like 2 Timothy 4 :4 states, have you fallen prey to the preaching of a mythical god, a false god? The triune God of scripture (the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit ) is unstoppable, unchangeable, unshakeable, untamable, indescribable, awesome, dangerous, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, he sovereignly and supremely reigns and rules over all his creations and over all the universe. If God is not in control, then you have no hope, no guarantee that he can keep his promises, nor that all his prophies will come to pass. You can never have true assurance of salvation because if God is not sovereign than he can lose his sheep, and you can lose your salvation, become un-born again and go into everlasting punishment. Is this what you want? A puny, weak , helpless god ? There is a film that has been made that contrasts the historical biblical true Gospel with the false prosperity gospel that is preached in many churches around the world. How do you know that you have the right Gospel? How do you know if you've been duped, lied to? Do we merely trust the words of men, or the infallible word of God. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 below is frightening. Satan can do signs and wonders to deceive those that are perishing and God will allow people to believe a lie that people who claim to be Christians might continue in their condemnation? "The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." Please watch the American Gospel: Christ Alone www.amazon.com/American-Gospel-Christ-Russell-Berger/dp/B07MDLBZ4J/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2Y9IOGHAUX9BM&dchild=1&keywords=american+gospel+christ+alone+movie&qid=1596383174&s=instant-video&sprefix=american+gospel%2Cinstant-video%2C232&sr=1-2 After reading the verses above and watching the film, please feel free to contact me. Bob robertkoji@yahoo.com

God is in charge of big picture - man given dominion of world (Psalm 115).

I just got to start listening to your teachings and i must bless God for you and every saint that is kept with you! Thank you so much for the love you reveal in His word! love you all amen.

@DustinBarker

Жыл бұрын

Amen 🙏🏻

a very on time word......listen to this at least 3 times.......it will change you

@LazerREJ

9 жыл бұрын

I've listened to this once and it's changing me already!! It gives me a hunger to read the gospels. I don't care what anyone says, bill is an wonderful bible teacher and preacher. This is powerful stuff!!!

@fiveSolas879

4 жыл бұрын

This guy is a false teacher. Beware

@urkoolUncle

4 жыл бұрын

You're right, Onepsalmist Collins: Need to hear this a few times to capture the Highest Level of it !!

@thomashummer7774

4 жыл бұрын

@@LazerREJ Powerfully false. In many instances, what he teaches contradicts scripture. If any teaching is unbiblical, it must be abandoned. The truth is all that matters. Without truth, we don't know what anything else really is.

@thomashummer7774

4 жыл бұрын

@@urkoolUncle The is no' highest level' of it. On every level, it contradicts scripture. therefore it is false. What will you believe. Bill or Gods eternal Word??

John 2:26-27 .I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you.................................................. do not need anyone to teach you................. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit-just as it has taught you, remain in him.

Thank you for sending out His Word

Amazing! Abide in faith that all things work for the good of God and that he is in charge! Thats really good! I love that abiding faith in Jesus,

The voice of our Father-- I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, I declare the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish *all my purpose,' - Isaiah 46:9-10

JESUS YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!

amen brother, this is good Bill.

What a blessing to be led to this video tonight.

The Holy Spirit sent me here !!! I need more contact with those who understand the Life of God that is rarely found in most churches. Too many know about God without having God or His Life. Religious people are focused on DOING not DONE. 1:57 (Jesus existed by a Sustainable Lifestyle that was rooted in Confidence).

thank you bill johnson, very good.

OMG, every word he says, is significant. imagine to sit there!! i would have to bring my laptop every sunday hahaha

Even the apostle Paul says in one of his epistles that we are co-laborers.

I suffer from many things and I don’t need to be healed but yes redeemed

I get what He's saying. Choice and Will is the common denominator.

Amen! Blessings

I was a student at BSSM...Bill was my minister at Mountain Chapel in Weaverville, CA...A LONG TIME AGO. I really believed his ridiculousness into my early 20's. I'm 36 now and beyond thankful I've put Bethel behind me. All that matters is that you understand the Gospel and believe Jesus is your saviour... @ 5:30 listen. He says God is not in control. Proverbs 21:1 The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; He turns it wherever He wishes. God is in control. Bill is a heretic.

@codywheeler9914

3 жыл бұрын

Amen! Glad you saw the light of the True Word!

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." - Romans 9:17 (ESV)

love it!

God knows evil happens, because we choose it. God uses the bad things and evil to show His goodness. Like in Job, most people believe God allows it, if you look historically at that time when Job was written, the people did not know the difference between God and the devil.

@jasonedenfield7189

3 жыл бұрын

Here's what interesting, Jesus NEVER mentions Job, or tells anyone who comes to Him that they should go read the Book of Job, when they are suffering... He met them at that time of need...

The best miracle in life is the conversion to Jesus Christ no signs and wonders

Have you ever read the verse that says it is His will that all would be saved? That is His will as given through Scripture. However, that does not happen because God gave man free will. You can spout all you want but the truth is man does have free will and that is part of God's sovereignty.

W O W ! ! ! Amen!!!

God allows choices. No choice can trump Him. The devil left, by choice not by force. God, took advantage of this opportunity and made a new creation, lower than angles but empowered to reign over them. In fact, the very thing the devil wanted God gave (in part) to us. Think that’s some kind of accident? No, burning coals. We have far more freewill than we know or attempt to know and God is far bigger than our doctrines and boxes place Him in.

Our command is to preach the true gospel which is a totally different gospel that you preach

True!

@FriendotBridegroom Well this part is from OPEN HEAVENS CONFERENCE - 2009 ( the 2nd session )

God is in charge he has given control to his creation

@hemi969

7 жыл бұрын

To what end? To bring about the tribulation? Hallelujah!

@jcismyall

5 жыл бұрын

Hemi * kzread.info/dash/bejne/fm2M17yEp8i-XZM.html

Amen.

But devil god of this world.... Very clear.... Jesus is Lord! Thank you Bill Johnson very well explained and simplified...

This is a heresy, our will is not God’s will, and God’s good is not our good

My first question - Where in the bible does it say we have to learn how to have a healing anointing?

@davidmaco1

4 жыл бұрын

Amen it doesnt

selah2011, thanks for posting is there a place where the whole teaching is available?

Could you please tell me the name of which sermon this clip came from?! Thanks!

good

so you saying is in our control

you are correct Bill, What you are saying is all in the New testament ! So much powerless christianity has been taught & the devil is defeating those who believe it It was by Adams offense that death ruled all mankind but now through Christ obedience those who believe are called to rule in life, Rom.5:17 THANK YOU JESUS, SON OF GOD !!!!!

It's funny how he quotes CS Lewis as if he'd agree with him. Lewis' book "the Problem of Pain" completely contradicts everything Johnson says here, as do, pretty much, all apologetics. And the entire book of Job...and the apostle Paul...and the Lord

@ExposingBethel

4 жыл бұрын

John Todd said C.S. Lewis books are used by covens to teach witch craft. Lewis was NOT a Christian...just like Bill Johnson is NOT a CHRISTIAN!

@fiveSolas879

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExposingBethel and the bible was used by Satan, ergo the bible isn't God's word? That's ur argument? REPENT

@col3v17

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExposingBethel How do you know the hearts of these men? Sorry to say, there is more evidence of Lewis' faith by what he has written than by what you have written. How dare you judge so on factless drivel? How on earth would anything Lewis has written support witchcraft in any manner?

@ExposingBethel

4 жыл бұрын

@@col3v17 CS lewis books are the teaching material for witch craft. I believe Chick-Tracks(sp?) Back in the 1970s covered it. John Todd. The illuminatist turned Christian covers it... Please do some research. By your reasoning Bethel is a Good Church based on the fact they use Jesus name. Facebook.com/WakeUpRedding

@ExposingBethel

4 жыл бұрын

@@col3v17 this is the full interview that the shorter video came from... Just a suggestion... Take Notes!

@BigAl53750 You are missing a few things in the first part of your post concerning Jesus. He, "was made perfect through what He suffered." He was tired. He went off to pray before selecting His disciples. We could go on, but if He was "already" everything, then why did He need to go off and pray at all? The answer is clear: He was fully man. He needed/received the baptism of the Holy Spirit before His ministry of miracles began. He is our example in every way. His life IS our model.

I'd encourage those watching this video to look up the definitions of "control" and "in charge." According to 7 out of 8 dictionaries I could get my hands on, "in Charge" is defined as being "in control" and "responsible." ____________________________________________________________________________In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been *predestined according to the *purpose of him who works *all things according to the counsel of *his *will, - Ephesians 1:11

@coreyfriend1

7 жыл бұрын

I say this out of love for Bill...I've personally been with him several times in person, I've been prayed for by him, I've been on a mission trip with him, and have been influenced by his teachings for about 10 years. I pray the ABSOLUTE BEST for Him_____but_______this particular teaching doesn't represent the true living Christ I've come to know and Love.

How does it produce defeatism and self righteousness? I'm not doubting that you've seen thoose effects, just wondered why you think it happens. Won't believing in God who is in everything and over everything and promising to work in all thing for our good encourage us to keep going rather than give up? Won't believing that your working is actually God's working lead away from self-righteousness and towards God centred-ness? It's what I hope it does in my life anyway.

As believers we should be better examples of God on social media. The previous post are embarrassing.

you said, "many saints believed God was handcuffed". Could you let me know which saints those are. I honestly don't know any saints who believed anything but in God's sovereignty that you deny.

DO YOU WANT TO TALK TO THE ONE IN CHARGE OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO ONE WHO KNOWS??

Do you know what sermon this is from? I want to find it on bethel.tv to watch the whole thing.

@joelarnold1020

4 жыл бұрын

They hopefully took it down when they realised it was terribly unbiblical.

Healing is a gift it is not something you learn. Faith the size of a mustard seed is enough to move mountains. use discernment. God is control dont let this guy fool you GOD IS IN CONTROL.God is the one who put the curse on the planet.

It is not a command, only for the 12 apostoles

Bill Johnsons explanation of why Jesus could heal or drive out demons has nothing to do with, quote - "praying and fasting into a sustainable lifestyle" Such a teaching ignores the fact that Jesus was, during his incarnation, both God and man at the same time. These two aspects of his nature, his humanity and his divinity, were present and distinct within him at the same time. This is precisely what made him unique. As the eternal God, he always had the power to do anything he wanted. He never set aside his divinity....as Bill Johnson believes and teaches. In John 10:11-18, Jesus explains his authority...his power....as God the Son....... to us. 11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12 But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13 The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd. 17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.” Whenever I watch Bill Johnson teach, one of the essential missing ingredients...is actual scripture...word for word..the actual Word of God. This is unquestionably why there is so much error in his teachings. Bill wants us to believe that Jesus set aside his divinity, his power as God, and performed all of his miraculous works by the power of the Holy Spirit. But this is not the truth. Jesus was both human and divine at the same time. Never did he set aside that past of his nature which was divine. The council of chalcedon settled the matter in 451 AD. What Bill has been attempting to do in his teachings is reverse that essential doctrine that goes to the very heart God Christs nature. I suggest that, for the sake of both truth and clarity, you study the finding of the council of Chalcedon. The matter of Christs nature, the essentials truths about his nature, have been settles for over 15 centuries.

@tonygrainge316

4 жыл бұрын

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The question is what does sovereignty mean? In control of everything that happens or superior to everything. If something happens that is not his will, then he cannot be in control of everything because that would mean he directly caused something that was against his will. How can the appeal to a fallen world solve that issue? Did he cause the world to fall? or was that against his will? The fact that Job couldn't understand and blamed God was the issue, not that God is free to do evil.

@thomashummer7774

5 жыл бұрын

Gods sovereignty has 2 aspects; all that he controls and all that he allows. In His sovereignty, God has full power and authority to suspend the free will of anyone at any time. He demonstrates this power throughout the Old T but also in the New T. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. His nature never changes. Bill Johnson claims that if you believe that God is in control of everything then you have to believe that Hitler was his will. This is false. God, in his sovereignty, could have prevented Hitler from coming into existence at any time during the lives of Hitlers parents. he could have made his mother or father sterile. He could have prevented her conception in any number of ways. he could have allowed her to conceive and then caused her to miscarry....the possibilities are infinite. Conversely, he could have allowed Hitler to be born, but then ended his life sometime after. he could have effected the outcome of the elections in Germany in 1933, preventing him from becoming chancellor. Hitler rose to power because God allowed it. Was it his will?? I don't know. And I don't have to know. All that matters is...does this teaching agree with Gods nature as exemplified in His Word. And the answer is NO.

@209jaedoe God gave the dominion (power and authority) of the earth to man. Meaning God gave US control, we need to just give the reigns back to Him. Also, if a thief is here to kill, steal and destroy, and God came to give life, the death of a baby clearly falls under the thief. Lets not get the roles mixed up. If God was in control, we wouldn't have the choice to follow Him or not.

@karencates5007

6 жыл бұрын

www.gotquestions.org/is-God-sovereign.html

Not true, the enemy DOES NOT need permission from God to attack us. The enemy can try to attack us at any point that he feels. Whether or not we're covered by God's protection at that time is OUR choice.

"Open Theism" is essentially non-assent to pagan determinism. End of story. There are numerous verses in Scripture where God has allowed Himself to be influenced by humanity, clear examples where He has changed His mind. This is a theology emphasizing what the Scripture clearly teaches, which is a God who values relationship more than control. Any half-aware student of theology understands that "sovereignty" can be defined very well within these perimeters. There are more extreme varieties of open theism that should be discarded, but as a general rule, sovereignty MUST allow for human influence and a willingness of God to honor such influence.

@Starsforyou101

8 жыл бұрын

+lightlover33 "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind." Numbers 23:19. "If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us; if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself." 2 Timothy 2:12-13. "Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness, in the hope of eternal life, which God, Who cannot lie, promised long ago." Titus 1:1-2. "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.” James 1:17 We have texts that explicitly state God does not change His mind. There is no text that explicitly states God does change His mind. The NIV and NASB will interpret Exodus 32:14 as "God changed His mind concerning the harm He would do to His people," but the NASB, which is the most literal Bible translation, is not offering an interpretation, but just a literal translation into English. It's not recommended that you use the NASB if you don't have a working knowledge of Hebrew or Greek, because then it will just confuse you. The NLV took a literal translation into English here as well. The Hebrew word being used for "change" in this verse is נָחַם, transliterated nacham, which primarily means to be grieved, sorry, or moved to compassion. The closest way an English speaker will understand the Hebrew idea of nacham is by it meaning to be grieved or to relent for the sake of compassion. The Hebrew used in Numbers 23:19 for “lie” is כָּזַב, kazab, which actually and literally means to lie. In 2 Timothy 2:12-13 Paul uses the word “ἀρνέομαι,” which actually means to deny. In Titus 1:1-2 the word used for “lie” is “aψευδής” which means not having falsehood and being truthful. So in the original language it literally reads, “God, Who has bears no falsehood (which in English would mean ‘Who does not lie,’)” or “God, Who is always truthful.” In James 1:17 the word being interpreted as “change” is παραλλαγή, which literally means to change, have variation, or mutate. So it literally means, “…from the Father…who does not change,” or “…from the Father…who has no variation…” or “from the Father…who does not mutate.” In English it is best understood as “change.” The word being interpreted as “shift” is τροπή, which means turning or changing. So this also means that God does not turn or change. In the original languages we don’t have a verse that actually says God changes; a few of our English versions will translate them that way due to their interpretational philosophy. Additionally, in the original languages we have many verses that explicitly state God does NOT change. So, no. The Scriptures do not “clearly teach [that God changes His mind].” All passages that deal with God not punishing someone after He has said He was going to is God having compassion and mercy, attributes that are consistent with His nature. These passages are best understood as warnings rather than definitive statements. It is like a parent telling a child, “If you don’t stop eating those cookies from the jar then I will spank you,” and the child keeps eating them, but instead of spanking the child, the mother has mercy on them and does not punish them but rather takes the cookie away or chooses a less severe punishment. This does not mean the parent lied; it just means they are merciful. Furthermore, there are passages that say God relents or changes His mind after people have repented, like in Jonah 3:10. God told the Ninevites He would bring destruction to them if they did not repent of their ways. They repented of their ways; therefore He did not bring suffering to them. He did exactly what He said He would do. Also remember that Scripture is written by God but through human writers. Humans are trying to say what God did, but in human terms. They are writing from the perspective of humans, not of God. So while to humans it may seem like God changed His mind and to humans it might be easier to understand God’s actions as Him changing His mind, He did not actually change His mind; it is just a good way to express it in human terms and into language so people can understand the physical actions of God as opposed to the metaphysical actions. All in all, we need to keep in mind 4 things: 1. What words are being used in the original languages, 2. The difference between a warning, a threat, and a definitive, for sure statement, and 3. Whether or not the people God is “changing His mind” about have repented and changed their ways, 4. The difference between physical and metaphysical descriptions, and the difference between physical and metaphysical realities. Just because God is described physically as changing His mind, does not mean God is metaphysically (actually) changing His mind. The writer is just describing a metaphysical phenomenon in a physical way. Furthermore, be careful with bringing a presupposition like “God values relationship more than control” to your interpretation of Scripture. You will find no passage that says such a thing and therefore you will come to wrong conclusions about what you read in the Word. Also, that God can change or actually change His mind must be rejected on logical grounds. “Change” is always for the better or worse relative to the viewer. If God can change, that means He can change for the better or for worse. If He can change for the better, then that means He is currently not the best, which means He is not actually God. If He can change for the worse than that means He can stop being the best which means He can stop being God. If He can stop being God then that means He actually isn’t God since being the greatest possible being necessitates the impossibility of ceasing to be the greatest possible being. If God could change then He would not be God. The same is true of mind. If God could change His mind then that would mean His thinking would change for better or for worse. Mind is inherently linked to nature and character. For God to change His mind would also be to change Himself, which would, again, be for Him to stop being God, and would mean, also again, for Him not to be God. If God could change His mind He would not be God. Since to change His mind would also be to change His nature (since someone's mind is inherently linked to their character, personality, and nature), then to change His mind would for God to not actually be God. There's also a lot more flaws with open theism in this realm, such as what necessarily follows from the presuppositional propositions of God's omnipotence and omniscience, but I won't go into that for sake of brevity. Open theism must be rejected first on Biblical grounds, and secondly on logical and philosophical grounds. Also, and I know this is probably coming, because almost every open theist will say this, so I’m just going to address it here just in case someone makes this comment. If you say “well logic is not important; you can’t confine God to a box and God isn’t defined by human logic” then you can never use the teleogical argument (the universe has design; if there is a design then there must be a designer) or the cosmological argument (something cannot come from nothing; therefore God exists) for God’s existence again. Design and that something cannot come from nothing implies consistency and an absence of entropy and inconsistency. In Corinthians God says He is not the God of chaos but of order, which means He is the God of consistency. What is logic and reason? Order, structure, consistency. God is the logos, the God of order and structure. God is the God of logic and reason. Therefore Christians must be the most logical and reasonable people on earth, and we must be the people who think and actually use our minds. Thus, that open theism must be rejected because if goes against the laws of logic is an ENORMOUS reason that Christians should not believe in open theism. I know I've written a lot, but I hope it helps and I hope you don't interpret my tone as being mean. I'm glad you're actually putting some thought into things, which is more than what can be said of many believers today. I hope you're having a fantastic week. J

@lightlover33

8 жыл бұрын

Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?" It is no wonder you left out the rest of the verse. This passage is speaking directly of something God has promised. He will not go back on His word. This has very little to do with absolute foreknowledge, and this does not in any way negate SEVERAL passages where God has actually limited himself in relationship to humanity and deferred to human wishes. II Timothy 2: 12-13 God remaining faithful has nothing to do with absolute foreknowledge. There is no logical connection between God changing His plans and faithfulness. Titus 1: 1-2 Really? So God is lying if He changes His plans? If this is your thinking, there is no logic to it whatsoever. James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning." Look at the entire verse. What is the object of variation clearly communicated here? It is the light of His character. Again, this has NOTHING to do with God changing his plans or the very irrational idea that God's absolute foreknowledge determines His own actions. There is no verse that will tell us that God changes because God's CHARACTER does not change. You are operating on the false premise that a change of plans or a deferment to human will is a character issue. Nothing could be further from the truth.

@thomashummer7774

5 жыл бұрын

God also suspends free will at his own whim, for his purposes. Often when he does, he offers no explanation. When God sent the flood, he suspended the free will of all of humanity, imposing his judgement on it. When he drowned Pharoah's army he suspened their free will. When he whiddled Gideons forces down to 300 from 30, 00 then used them to defeat and army of 175,000. He threw them into confusion and they killed each other. Their free will was suspended by God. God also sent Israel into captivity not once but twice, as punishment for disobedience. Now...that's Old T. What about New?? Well, look at Zacharius, the preist, husband of Elizabeth. He was made mute for his wifes entire term for laughing at Gabriel. Then there's Ananias and Saphira. Both killed by God at separate times but for the same sin. When Bill Johnson teaches about God's sovereignty, he omits this essential truth, and, in doing so, he alters the entire doctrine of sovereignty. God is sovereign. And therefore can suspend the free will of anyone at any time. He is the same, yesterday, today and forever. He does not change his mind because he has to. at our command. Throughout the Bibe, whenever he did change his mind, it was because he wanted to, not because he had to. Remember, God doesn't need us. He existed for an infinite period of time byond our ability to understand,before he created the heavens and the earth. And he was in perfect communion with himself, as the triune God, and was at perfect peace God values relationship no more or less than control. Your assertion to the contrary is false. God has always been in perfect control of everything. But his his judgements against us, the very crown of his creation, emphasizes that we have destroyed the perfection of his creation and the perfect nature of our relationship with him by our sin. Sin, and its place within the great doctrines of grace, salvation, Gods sovereignty, etc have been ignored in many of Bill Johnsons teachings. Be careful, as you follow this teacher. I have been able to identify many false teachings.

Then we are in agreement on this after all. God allows free will in his creation and thus is not in control over the choices man makes within his free will capacity. This doesn't question God's sovereignty, because it is out of his sovereignty that he allows for free will to exist. It is those who claim that there is no free will that I have the issue.

@thomashummer7774

5 жыл бұрын

In his sovereignty, God has full power and authority to suspend free will whenever he wants to in any person within his creation...without owing anyone of us an explanation. God can also pronounce judgement upon anyone at any time, without explanation. He did so throughout the Old T but also in the New T. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. This is one of the essential truths within the great doctrine of sovereignty. It is quite literally what makes God sovereign.

Whether or not we're covered by God's protection at that time is OUR choice- I have real trouble with this - too Johnson inspired. It sounds like God at times just can't stop the devil and at other times like his plans and desires are thwarted by believers level of faith. The more I read of Bill J, I used to be a fan, the smaller God seems and the more important man seems; this is in conflict to what I read in the bible. I'm sorry to say this but Bill is not a good Gospel centred teacher.

@jln55

3 жыл бұрын

He has an extremely small view of the all powerful God. God has a permissive will that allows men to do evil, yet He has total control. This man, in effect makes man a God. That was the first sin mentioned in Scripture. Man lusts for control, and men like this want to make that seem perfectly fine. And the Lord is going to show the world how errant this thinking is.

i probably shouldnt say this but i think people have some problem eating their meat these days, "in understanding be men"

I don’t see you name in the Bible so to late wolf Johnson

just because the sovereignty of God and his distinguishing Grace is hard to receive doesnt mean you should spit it out, do you beleive the Bible or do you fashion God in line with your own thoughts, assumtions and logic about who he is and what he is "allowed" to do, he owes us nothing "i will have mercy on whom i will have mercy.." thats the God of the Bible. we are ego maniacs we dont like it

Ok, I can understand the tension here. Pastor Johnson is clearly concerned that God's name is honored by not implying that He's the author of sin. Amen. I would however point out that a better example than Hitler of evil would be the people that crucified Jesus. How can you get more evil than that? Was there any act in all of human history more evil than the murder of the sinless Son of God? Not even close. So I get it, and yet we know it was God's plan from all of eternity. So, I appreciate Pastor Johnson's heart, but this is not a box that God fits in.

@SchubertAloysius

8 жыл бұрын

+Bradley Wilson You can't do anything without Christ! One may retain his will but it's God who eventually allows the person to do what he has intended.Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. - Romans 1:28 It's God who gave the people over to do the evil they have desired and along with it come their judgment!

@lightlover33

5 жыл бұрын

I think the best way to view this message is contextual in relationship to church culture. God doesn't fit in ANY box in a strict sense on this issue. The concern is really about predominant views favoring one direction or another on the issue of sovereignty. Calvinist philosophy has put a pale over the church and has blanketed the fruit of faith. This is the real issue.

shredsterAK, so if anyone expresses fear that something bad is going to happen, they have faith in he wrong kingdom? So in Matthew 24 & 25, Mark 16, & Luke 21, parrallel accounts of what is known as the Olivet discourse, when Jesus predicts that bad things are going to happen, He has faith in the wrong kingdom???? Surely you can't be serious. Paul also writes in 2 Tim 4, about bad things that will happen, is he also in the wrong? Plus God clearly limited Satan's hand regarding Job.

I want to hear more scripture in a sermon or topic, other then that it's blah, blah.... I would have walked out while he was speaking.

Of course Jesus didn't have to fast to do miracles, but he told the disciples that "this kind comes out only by prayer & fasting". He didn't have to be baptized, but did, saying "it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness." Jesus didn't need a baptism of repentance, because he had no sin to repent from, but did it to show us how we should do it. Thus, Jesus told the disciple to pray and fast and he no doubt did it as an example of what we need to do not because he needed to.

A number of people have brought up Romans 9:17 about God raising up pharaoh to display his power and glorify Himself. I would like to add in direct contradiction of Bill's point that God empowered Moses and Aaron against Pharaoh, the one He raised up, showing signs and wonders against him. Kinda sounds like a contradiction of what Bill just said about God raising something up that he empowers the son to pray against. On another note, we see that satan was put on a leash and permitted by God to try Job twice severely. In fact the book of Job ultimately attributes Jobs calamities to the hand of the Lord lord even though satan carried them out. and that he had to have permission to sift Peter. And finally, we are told in the book of Acts that God even per-ordained the crucifixion of Jesus! Seems like God is not only in charge but in control! And how about the apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians when the messenger of satan was sent to torment him? He asked the Lord three times to take it away but God said no! My grace is sufficient for you for my power is made perfect in weakness. Sounds like Paul was not in control and could not just take dominion and get rid of the demonic messenger. Rather, God had a purpose for that messenger. So Paul said that He could be well content with persecutions and hardship and uh oh, calamities, for when he is weak then he is strong. Therefore, it's obvious that Christians do not have the authority to simply rebuke all calamities. The Bible in fact does teach that God actually does ordain difficulties and suffering to judge, discipline, try and refine/sanctify. What Bill is saying is not at all biblical.

We don't do the healing, it done by the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus never started his ministry until He was filled with the Holy Spirit. Read the book of Acts for more understanding of the Holy Spirit. Read ch 19.

Then God must be evil because evil exist and he is in complete control of everything. To say that God is evil is heresy. I guess we get to choose which heresy we want to believe?

This is not what I am saying - see my other responses.

What about not taking an OATH Bill Johnson. You can't be a Christian and a Mason the 2 are diametrically opposed factions.

God is "in charge" but he is not sovereign, not in control? God has his "hands so-called handcuffed," and we release him through our prayers? Where are these teachings in the Bible? All you who seem enamored with Bill Johnson and Bethel Church, do you know what a false teacher looks and sounds like? And what about the people that love to sit at the feet of false teachers? what does it say about them, possibly you? 2 Timothy 4:1-4, " I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. " Is this you? Have you sought out teachers that will tell you what you want to hear, instead of what you need to hear? Have you turned away from the truth and wandered in to myths and a mythical God or god? I don't mean to be sarcastic, but do you really study your Bibles? Here is a short list of verses that prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the God is the Bible is indeed in control of all things, all the time. God rules over all his creation, over all peoples and over all events in history for his glory, for the gospel and the good of his people. Psalm 115:3 Isaiah 45:5-7 Isaiah 46:8-10 Romans 8:28 Proverbs 21:1 Deuteronomy 32:39 Ephesians 1:11 Lamentations 3:37-39 Colossians 1:15-17 Proverbs 16:33 Job 42:2 Ephesians 1:4 Genesis 50:19-20 Romans 9:14-18 Isaiah 40:12-18 After reading these verses you are faced with a question: Is Bill Johnson's God (the God worshipped that Bethel church) the God of the Bible? Or, like 2 Timothy 4 :4 states, have you fallen prey to the preaching of a mythical god, a false god? The triune God of scripture (the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit ) is unstoppable, unchangeable, unshakeable, untamable, indescribable, awesome, dangerous, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, he sovereignly and supremely reigns and rules over all his creations and over all the universe. If God is not in control, then you have no hope, no guarantee that he can keep his promises, nor that all his prophies will come to pass. You can never have true assurance of salvation because if God is not sovereign than he can lose his sheep, and you can lose your salvation, become un-born again and go into everlasting punishment. Is this what you want? A puny, weak , helpless god ? There is a film that has been made that contrasts the historical biblical true Gospel with the false prosperity gospel that is preached in many churches around the world. How do you know that you have the right Gospel? How do you know if you've been duped, lied to? Do we merely trust the words of men, or the infallible word of God. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 below is frightening. Satan can do signs and wonders to deceive those that are perishing and God will allow people to believe a lie that people who claim to be Christians might continue in their condemnation? "The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." Please watch the American Gospel: Christ Alone www.amazon.com/American-Gospel-Christ-Russell-Berger/dp/B07MDLBZ4J/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2Y9IOGHAUX9BM&dchild=1&keywords=american+gospel+christ+alone+movie&qid=1596383174&s=instant-video&sprefix=american+gospel%2Cinstant-video%2C232&sr=1-2 After reading the verses above and watching the film, please feel free to contact me. Bob robertkoji@yahoo.com

If Jesus healed because he was God, then how did the apostles heal? They aren't God. How do the elders in the church heal?

@thomashummer7774

5 жыл бұрын

You are asking a question to which you already have the answer that fits your narrative. It may not be possible for you to accept the truth of scripture. Jesus power to heal and perform miracles was due to his divine nature. He is and always will be the only human being conceived by God himself. He therefore has a divine nature, which no one else ever had or ever will have. On the other hand, his disciples were able to perform the same things by the power of his name. No one, including Jesus, ever healed anyone saying, "in Peters name" or "in Johns name" No one in the book of Acts healed in Pauls name. Towards the end of Acts we see a decline in supernatural activity, as the church spread. The need for the 'signs of and apostle' had come to an end. If God had given us the same power that he gave the apostles......if we have that same power today, that Jesus had back then, we would be able to go into every hospital, and onto every oncology ward and completely heal every child suffering with cancer. We would also be able to grow limbs....blown off of soldiers in combat. But we don't. Why not?? Is it because we just lack faith. Scripture tells us that not even out faith is of ourselves but as a gift from God. Gods power to heal through us is not the same us what Jesus was doing. Jesus used power that he had as God.

Macarthur really took this video out of context.

Elect11 is correct. Hitler WAS absolutely God's design as was Lucifer, Pharaoh, Judas and all the rest. Jesus, said Judas did what he did "so that scripture may be fulfilled." "All the days You PLANNED for me (not foreknown) were written in Your book before I was even one day old." God is able to know the heart attitudes that we have somehow, be they good or evil, before we are plugged into the time and space, human history and the whole overarching story that HE is writing. We give God the raw naked attitudes of our hearts, again be they good or evil, and He plugs us into His plan wherever He likes. No one in the end is going to have any excuse. We determine our fate, God determines our course.

@ericfurler9498

9 жыл бұрын

Timothy Johnson hitler & pharoah and even judas had a choice. . & even lucifer (which isn't his name but his title..since his name was removed from eternal memory)..all had a destiny & a glory that was better then their chosen path..however as U sed & history records.. they chose vs GOD & his ppl & well are now remember'd as villians.

@slick_Ric

8 жыл бұрын

nope, not at all. he says it perfectly in this video, "why would God raise something up to be his will that he empowers you to pray against?" all acts of evil are rooted in the disobedience of God. Hitler and Judas had choices, they could have lived godly lives, but things worked out so they chose evil. God did not control their circumstances. men, because of their nature, create these environments where these kinds of people can grow and be so afflicted by the sin around them that they cave in to evil desires. God did not plan for men to make evil societies where people are born into God-less doom from the very start. God wanted man to live and thrive in eternal paradise. man chose to seek other pleasures instead, and began an endless cycle of sin and redemption. God, all this time, has not stamped his foot down and said, "this ends now, you're starting over in paradise and this time i'm leaving out the tree of knowledge of good and evil." this is all within God's power. instead...

@slick_Ric

8 жыл бұрын

...God has left us with the choice to always be able to return to God and accept God's love and grace. God doesn't have any final story written for all creation in stone. the one certainty is that God was is and will be. that is the essence of the promise to Abraham, that God is always there. everything else is up to us. we can destroy the world and God's tale will go on without us, in the stars and all the other corners of the universe.

@ericfurler9498

8 жыл бұрын

amen ricardo..well sed

@elect1159

8 жыл бұрын

+Eric Furler yeah, God is completely sovereign and man is completely responsible for his choices, Romans 9 should really settle that once and for all, the teaching is very clear, Listen to what peter says in acts 2 "...this Jesus, delivered up ACCORDING to the DEFINITE plan and foreknowledge of God YOU crucified and killed BY the hands of lawless men. 100%God 100%Man. Gods thoughts are higher than our thoughts and ways, he is altogether different than ourselves. you cant find a neat way to pin down or figure out the eternal counsels and mind of God, all things were immutably decreed before the foundation of the world but without "doing violence" to the SECONDARY CAUSES....GOD IS GOD. Bill Johnson is not. AMEN

I think you might be working out those beliefs through your own logic; taking scripture and then taking it to your next logical step. James says no one can say God is tempting me yet in other places the bible says God won't let the temptation go beyond what you can handle. It's not from God, yet he limits/allows temptation in your life according to what to can resist. So don't sin - fight back because of God.

Complete Heresy. God is in control.

What Is not only funny but borderline ridiculous to me is how people listen to these videos and then write a critical statement. If you don't like what he is saying or who he is, just don't listen to him, save your time, and do as all a favor ;)

Not one bible verse quoted to back up his views on God's sovereignty ...... just a lot of opinion

So all things means evil things? So if you believe that God created evil, then God must be evil? Psalm 97:10 "Let those who love the LORD hate evil..." Sorry brother, but to believe that God creates evil is a heresy. While he did create the Satan, he didn't make Satan evil. Satan chose to be evil. Thus, God didn't create evil and he hates the fact that Satan chose evil. He allows free will in his creation which is how something he hates can exist. This is what this video says. Be Blessed.

@thomashummer7774

5 жыл бұрын

God put 2 trees in the center of the garden. One was the tree of life. It is a representation of Christ. The other was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God created all things...including evil. God is without sin. He never does evil. If I kill a liar, I am a murderer. If God kills a liar, even today...he is executing his righteous judgement upon that person. When we kill a fellow human under these circumstances, it is murder..and it is evil. when God does..it is good. One of the many great lessons we must learn is that God never owes us an explanation for anything he does. He is sovereign, which means he does not need us. He is not dependent on us. he doesn't need us. He existed in perfect peace and perfect union with himself for an infinite period of time before creation. One of the many mistakes Bill Johnson makes in his teachings is getting the nature and character of God wrong.

False teacher. Jesus commanded the APOSTLES incase u ain't heard, they're not here anymore!

Jesus did NOT fast His way into a level of faith because He was God. God does NOT need faith, we do! The Bible clearly states that in Jesus dwells the fulness of the Godhead bodily, so what on earth would He need to fast to gain faith for? Also, Bill constructs several 'straw-men' here, so he can knock them down and 'prove' his points. The Bible again clearly teaches that God is absolutely in control, because in Job, Satan has to ask permission to attack Job. God allows it, but within limits.

Any definition of Biblical sovereignty which places God as the active cause of evil on the earth is false. Yes, we can agree that God allows evil, and He will manipulate such evil for His purposes. This does not mean He is the active agent of evil or "controlling" all events on the earth in an active sense. The idea that God is "in charge" is a definition of sovereignty that allows for God allowing evil. Bill's terminology of "in control" is a core definition of soveriegnty where God decrees deliberately and purposefully all actions on the earth. It is patently FALSE.

Bill Johnson does not preach Christianity.

there is no “free will”, God is the only one who is Free. Humans do make decisions but it is the Almighty who is the Sovereign over every single choice a human being makes. bottom line.

Crap

one of the worse false teachers alive today.

Hey, Bill, position yourself in "abiding faith" to heal your eyesight, or your wife's cancer, or your son's deafness. Why weren't you able to resurrect Olive? Were you not in a proper "faith position?" Your preaching is fraudulent.

False teacher.

Amen.