Technically they are, it’s just a fact.

By Bill James' logic, the Red Sox shouldn't have spent the effort & money to sign JD Martinez. Do analytics have a place in sports? Sure. It should be a single factor that goes into making decisions, not the be all end all.

@TruthDissident

Жыл бұрын

This is how the owners & GMs think. Ya know, the people that actually run baseball.

Bill James just saying in a nut shell the game is not important. Its all bread and circuses which he is correct on

My god, it's embarrassing watching the three of them all miss the point ENTIRELY. 1) Mike Trout, Aaron Judge, etc. are OBJECTIVELY replaceable. Obviously the sport was no worse before they came up. 2) He never said to replace players with fucking robots! If all of the players were replaced tomorrow, the fans would related to the NEW players. Again, just look at expansion teams! One day a city has a new team with new players they didn't care about the day before.

@SlartiBartfast2469

3 жыл бұрын

The game evolves one way or another and most are scared of change , moneyball analytics combined with personality understanding is how my team Liverpool recruit players that fit in the team that are worth the money there payed

This is an example of one of the problems in our country. The asshats who make money off of the backs of the workers, the people who actually provide the product, have no respect for them. Explains a lot. Sure there are some benefits to analytics, but most of it is white noise. Example: driving in a run is the most difficult thing to do offensively. Analytics belittles this most essential and difficult of tasks. Ask a pitcher when he is under the most stress. It is always with runners in scoring position. Enough of this nonsense. James outed himself as totally out of touch with the true beauty of the game. The announcers example of having James play as opposed to Mookie Betts was spot on.

@Gary-gp6yw

5 жыл бұрын

Notice how Labor Day is almost a nonexistent holiday. Labor means nothing to the ruling class.

@chrisweidner4768

5 жыл бұрын

@@Gary-gp6yw Keep waking people up to the psychopathic criminals who have been destroying our country for generations. Time for kindness and freedom to rule the day.

You misrepresented his argument so hard

These guys in analytics really have a big head! There going to kill this sport and it’s so sad!

@pa.encema2821

4 жыл бұрын

its already being killed. making up pointless stats like WAR. Who the Hell Cares About a WAR stat?

@prescottmotley5225

4 жыл бұрын

Love analytics it works and I care about all that stats even wAr stats

@Jjmid04

4 жыл бұрын

pa. encema right, who would care about showing how valuable a player is to their team? How useless!

@jamesgentry13

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jjmid04 how many championships has money ball won

Wait so let me get this straight… It turns out I CAN fulfill my dream of playing center field for a Major League Baseball team. Thanks Bill James. I’m sending my résumé to all 30 teams tomorrow morning! Kudos!!

These producers took a quote and made it something completely different lol

You know as a Red Sox fan I LOVED the ‘86 team more,than the 2018 team..Barrett Boggs Rice Evans Clemens oil can hurst...these guys played together every year..you KNEW them. When ‘86 game 7 happened I was as devastated as my hero Wade Boggs was crying on the bench..why? I knew him. I knew these guys.you can jam your pitch counts, shifts, exit velocity, poop velocity etc...I will take lemon chicken any day

@TruthDissident

Жыл бұрын

Lmao 2018 was a far superior team.

Don wears that sweater at least once a week.

I would like to see him hit a 100 mph fast ball

@jaydesrochers3276

5 жыл бұрын

Brian M ..by making bad baseball sense...not laying a bunt down ? In fact how about this...there are teams in MLB now that are lucky if there are five guys on the team that know how to bunt...baseball today because of analytics and questec..that STUPID box you see on your tv representing the strike zone, essentially has tuned the modern game into a sport with three play results...home runs, walks, and strikeouts. BORING. And while you are at it please,return the take out slide at second base, and the ability to dislodge the ball from the catcher. Oh and one more thing...return the organ and get rid of the “walk up” music

james is absolutely correct, and these 3 hacks are the most non-essential workers imaginable.

@HT-sm9dm

11 ай бұрын

The less people like you that reside on earth, the better.

Baseball is about the game first and foremost, and then about the players. Of course we remember the players the greats, and yes you cannot replace Judge, but you could not replace Mickey Mantle either

@jamie49868

3 жыл бұрын

True, yet the game goes on, the new take over, the old retire. Saying that players are replaceable is not the same as saying they don't matter. Everybody doing any job is replaceable. That in no way means that person doesn't matter. It's the job and how it's performed that matters. Lou Gehrig replaced Wally Pipp, just as every player has replaced another for the last 150 years. Why are they so upset?

@Genjo_N_Mojave

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamie49868 Indeed, xlnt point.

I feel like everyone that hate analytics don’t understand it and above there head so they hate it or there the kind of person who is scared of change.

@jamesgentry13

3 жыл бұрын

When has analytics won a world series? You treat Billy Beane like a God but he hasn't won anything

Ah I love it!!! After all these years, Bill James still has the ability to stir the pot!! Technically speaking, he is right!!! You can never predict the outcome of the future, but you can certainly have a voice and make an attempt to alter it,approach it differently, Sosa, Mcwire and Bonds used steroids, The Astros created a sign stealing scheme...what do you think they were looking for?! Looking back, those 3(and more) are replaceable, the Astros organization needs to take a hard look at the mirror and see how many of their players are replaceable(starting with Bergman and Altuve), Gattis pretty much stated the sentiment. It's ugly, but it's a fact, and the "die-hard right" population of baseball will have to accept that. Players are replaceable. How many players actually spend their whole careers with 1 team? If they are so great, if they are such a positive influence on the community, why don't they stay? Call it free agency, teams going through a re-org but it still applies to the fact, players are replaceable, fun fact is that today's players average over 4 teams per career, so, if that's not being replaceable, I don't know what is, Bill James is right.....again...

Bill James is just being Bill James. Stick to your analytics buddy.

Nerds that never played baseball are ruining our game

@tonybender1519

5 жыл бұрын

You're right on point. Talking heads are now telling us how the game is supposed to be played. Keep in mind that these CPA'S are dictating the new rules of the game. Yet they never picked up a bat or fielded a fly ball in their life.

@jaydesrochers3276

5 жыл бұрын

Yup..they don’t know a take out,slide from a take out burger, but think the take out slide is bad

@kentjg32

5 жыл бұрын

math doesn't care about your feelings.

@jaydesrochers3276

5 жыл бұрын

Kent Galloway I don’t care about the math..I care about this math..60ft 6in...90ft. Jam the math.....baseballs modern math makes Aaron judge into the greatest thing since sliced bread..when in reality he’s the greatest thing since.....Dave kingman

@kentjg32

5 жыл бұрын

@@jaydesrochers3276 They're just looking at the numbers and seeing which work best. The A's had a figure out a way to compete with teams that spend more than double what they do, so they figured out a way to do that. The Red Sox have had Bill James as an advisor in 2003 and since then they have won 4 ships. Obviously, there are more factors than James, but it says a lot that the Red Sox, one of the highest spending teams in baseball, hired that nerd.

If you disagree with Mr. James explain all the losing teams, the enormous errors you see pros make, and how entertaining semipro and amateur games are. Proathletes are overvalued. We'll watch games reguardless.

@pokefan7897

3 жыл бұрын

You have a great point. We have a summer league baseball team and we go to games all the time. They are amateurs. And they are great!!!!

@HT-sm9dm

11 ай бұрын

Ok I got this one. 1 - for all the losing teams, there are an equal amount of WINNING teams. Making the league average win percentage come out to a (surprising) 50%!! 😂🤦‍♂️😂😂 2 - for all the “enormous” errors that pros make, semi-pros would make… you guessed it - even MORE errors!! 3 - semi-pro athletes sure are entertaining to watch. So is your son or daughters high school baseball team. However, and this one’s a real shocker… Everything gets less entertaining as the level of skill decreases!! Do I win the grand prize???

@wesleysedlmayr3956

11 ай бұрын

@@HT-sm9dm you’re four years late. And I don’t speak emojis.

*Math never lies.*

It only works in Oakland somewhat not for a ring though lol.

@jamesgentry13

3 жыл бұрын

@Brian M no they won because they spent money on talent. And the Astros world series is a farce now

I guess Bill doesn’t remember the 1987 NFL year with the scabs. The owners thought the same way and the level of play was so awe full. Have to disagree with you Bill!

@krakenmetzger

5 жыл бұрын

If only you read what Bill James wrote

@CoolHandC

4 жыл бұрын

Vincent Cuttolo No, NFL players crossed the picket line and came back. The players union gave in and that’s what stopped the strike

@CoolHandC

4 жыл бұрын

Brian M is that why the replacement players only had 10,000 fans come to the games. If play is horrible the fans will stop watching.

@CoolHandC

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely not Jeffrey Epstein if only you could comprehend what I wrote.

@CoolHandC

4 жыл бұрын

Vincent Cuttolo The players crossed because they wanted a paycheck. You can’t just replace a whole league at once. It would be way longer than 3 years before the fans would come back.

Analytics is screwing up the game. Bill James is no doubt a guy who played Stratomatic Baseball and fantasy. Anyone who would say that players are no more important than beer vendors is a putz. I hope the Red Sox keeps this guy around long enough for the implosion 😈

Analytics cannot replace heart and the beauty of the human condition

Yankees commentators are easily triggered by truth bombs.

I’m just having fun trying to imagine WTF Stanton would be doing if he couldn’t play baseball. Like zero options.

Their missing his point...🤦🏼‍♂️

True

what i think he meant to say is that players come and go....but while that's an obvious statement, Red Sox just won the World Series and that kind of comment is unnecessary

Everyone in the world is replaceable. Some are missed more, but it’s fact

That comment disgust me

this is,when Don had his fastball now in 2021 hes been away from the studio etc hes lost that fastball

*Everybody is replaceable, in any sport.* Baseball players is no different.

Moneyball

@joeblow9657

4 жыл бұрын

losers!!

He's not wrong.

Still waiting for "analytics" and Money Ball to win a championship.

@TrueCin

3 жыл бұрын

Still waiting since when? The last Red Sox WS? There’s been 3 of those since ‘04. Also, Dodgers just won last season….both heavily into analytics. Do your HW douche bag.

As a fan of the show, I have to disagree with how Michael, Don, and Peter treat analytics. First of all, analytics aren't nerds, they just have a different approach toward the game. Not all analytics agree with Bill James because his logic is wrong. Heck even his own "analytical approach" is outdated. Not all analytics think players are replaceable. Not every analytics are like James or Brian Kenny who always make analytics look like arrogant nerds. Secondly, analytics is about making the percentage move based on data, and put the team in the best position to compete and win. It is not about predicting the outcome. No one can do that. A move based on numbers and statistics is still better than making a move because "I feel like it." Sometimes things just happen, c'est la vie. But that doesn't mean analytics is BS. Finally, Micheal should stop with this I agree with analytics thing. Clearly, you don't. You still use the old, useless stats like wins, batting average and RBI to determine if a player is good or not. That's baseball card referencing, not buying into analytics. Stop with the Aaron Boone is a believer of analytics thing. He's not. No analytics in their right mind would make the moves he did in the ALDS. Also, the "yankees are too reliant on homers" argument is just lazy. How did the Sox win? Homers in crucial spot. How did the Dodgers get to the world series? Homers. Astros of 2017, same thing.

@ellandecampbell6279

5 жыл бұрын

They are too reliant of home runs. When the Yankees didn't hit home runs, the offense was pretty much useless. The Red Sox and Astros have shown a consistent ability to generate runs other than hitting home runs. Analytics certainly have their place, but so does going with your gut in the right situations. Relying solely on either approach isn't the way to go. Like most things in life, the best approach is somewhere in the middle

@bennyice

5 жыл бұрын

@@ellandecampbell6279 Appreciate your take, thanks. I'll give you that the Red Sox and the Astros are better at contact, but the most important thing is about making "quality" contact, by either inducing the most hard ones, or the least weak ones. That's what make them good. Again, being homer reliant is not the problem here, it is about making quality contact, getting on base, and avoiding strike outs. It is hard to hit against today pitching even if you only want to hit singles. As for the gut thing, I think the deprivation of the managers' will is a bit over-blown. The one thing that people is mistaken about analytics is the "script" thing. Actually, it is more like a binder of notes, indicating every players data and stats. Therefore, managers are still given the option to choose which stats they are buying into and which move would put the team in the best position to win in their opinion. Take game 3 of ALDS for instance, you have stats that suggest Lynn's repertoire works better against the red sox, but you also have stats that tells you Chad Green is better at generating whiffs. At the end of the day, managers still have to make the decision on which stats makes more sense to him.

@jimbertido2800

5 жыл бұрын

Sox won by making contact with risp. Obviously a team with players who actually hit 300 are going to be better with risp. Contact hitting teams win titles, Sox, Astros, royals

@KneeDeep2231

5 жыл бұрын

Analytics never worked and never will

@bennyice

5 жыл бұрын

Right...... Cubs, Astros, Red Sox, and Dodgers didn't use analytics. Got it. Warriors and Rockets don't use analytics either, right?

Thank you...You guys just proved that the analytic geniuses are nothing more than sjw's that push buttons in mommy's basement and couldn't run to first without an oxygen tank...

@robertcastillo609

5 жыл бұрын

Gabriel Davidson Sjw’s?

@ICU2B4UDO

5 жыл бұрын

@@robertcastillo609 ...Snowflakes with computers and protractors and bubble guts that can't hit, throw, or run...

@julioluisveve905

5 жыл бұрын

He's a radical Liberal in sports. In other words, totally insane.

@ICU2B4UDO

5 жыл бұрын

@@julioluisveve905 ...EXACTLY...

@tes420

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely nailed it 👏🏼👏🏼

Bill James, that's an absurd comment. To say that baseball players are just as replaceable as the beer vendor. When I start to see Booblehead giveaways of calculators' and abacus over players. Then you have a point. But not now

Analytics SUCK

@pa.encema2821

4 жыл бұрын

I take what my eyes can see rather than pointless stats

@Jjmid04

4 жыл бұрын

pa. encema your eyes can’t see everything. That’s why you have the “pointless stats.” To back up or prove further what your eyes are seeing.

These baseball know it alls in these comments are hilarious. Yes, anybody is replaceable. If you think the angels couldn’t trade Mike Trout for a few players to compete in the playoffs, you’re insane. I stand behind Bill James.

@bradypeterson7593

5 жыл бұрын

Honestly that’s true because that’s what teams who lose there best players have to do no one is irreplaceable but there are players who are indispensable and that’s where the disconnect with the old heads like these guys are

@ThomasLopez54

5 жыл бұрын

Brady Peterson Yeah I agree with that, Mike Trout is amazing player and I would have a really hard time giving him up but if my team can not make it to the playoffs consistently even with him. Things have to change.

@joeblow9657

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThomasLopez54 yeah except there's this thing called marketing where Angels fans might just switch to the Dodgers if you take away their generational talent to make the ALDS once.

@ThomasLopez54

4 жыл бұрын

Joe Blow try marketing a losing team year in and year out... genius🙄

I love numbers that not true that its not morals of a morden mathemation/statistician its the CEO talking though its partly part of life in a busness these kids play this game with there heart and soul from the time there 4 have seen 1980's basball on old clasic programs it was not good i don't care how you change the baseball it would not be as good as the current game.

I'm a red sox fan and I would rather have mookie betts play on the red sox for ten more years than the red sox winning a world series in those ten years

@josereyes1148

5 жыл бұрын

ok then give sale to mets

@jsXanatos

5 жыл бұрын

@@josereyes1148 you guys already have degrom what the hell is sale going to do

@josereyes1148

5 жыл бұрын

@@jsXanatos cant have to much pitching.

@joeblow9657

4 жыл бұрын

@@josereyes1148 no the Mets will just waste him!!!

Bill James is a boring old grumpy dude time to go buddy

I'm not a big analytics guy , but so what to Bill James comments he's essentially a bean counter.

@MikeyReadman

5 жыл бұрын

+Chris Buck. Hey, Chris. Congrats on your guys WS win, it was well deserved!

@chrisbuck1695

5 жыл бұрын

@@MikeyReadman Thanks Mike it was good chatting with you over the season, i must admit i was sweating bullets when Kimbrel was trying to put the Yankees away in game 4!

@MikeyReadman

5 жыл бұрын

@@chrisbuck1695 Haha, ya Kimbrel was the biggest post season Houdini I think I've ever seen. He just kept getting himself in trouble and then pulling through at the last breath, it was crazy!

I believe in sabermetrics, and even I don't believe this. The players are in their positions because they are literally the top thousand in the world.

@jamesgentry13

3 жыл бұрын

How many world series has sabermetrics won?

Bill James is replaceable.

@joeblow9657

4 жыл бұрын

the irony is that once he created those analytics, a lot of other perhaps smarter and more likable people can do as well. He cannot take back things like the importance of OPS

Pretty soon we will not need managers in the dugout.

@jamesgentry13

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong. For all the hype analytics gets what has it won? Where is Billy Beane world series wins?

@turnthree5617

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesgentry13 Every team is using analytics now, not just the A's. Where have you been bro?

He's a radical Liberal in sports. In other words, totally insane.

Relax, but its true. Sure, it would suck, but within a few years a new pecking order would materialize. Examples: If the NFL went on a long strike, people would watch college football & love it.

I don't get the issue. If players were not replaceable, BB would have ended 150 years ago. These guys don't get it. He's not saying players aren't important. He's saying that they come and go, and that is called replaceable.