kzread.info/dash/bejne/aqGZp6mvmJWen5s.html 22MW jet generator starting with compressed air and then being loaded.

@77bubba00

2 ай бұрын

GG4/FT4?

It's not a jet engine. This is a Frame 5 GE Heavy duty single shaft gas turbine generator that runs at 5100 RPM and through a gearbox turns a generator at 3600 rpm. I installed and serviced GE Frame 3's, Frame 5's, Frame 6 and Frame 7 gas turbine generator drives. I can't tell from the outside but my guess is that this is a simple cycle Load Peaking version of Frame 5 unit that puts out 24 Megawatts. The diesel engine starting units I saw all had Detroit 12V-71 twin turbo 600hp engines. Are you sure its a 12V-92? Some very old ones used 350hp Cummins V-8 engines. I have had tons of these units apart and have casings 3-6 inches thick, the turbine and generator rotors each weigh several tons, and there are no aircraft parts in them at all as compared to a ''light weight'' aero derivative GE LM2500 which was based on a DC-10 jet engine. This particular gas turbine can be remotely started. It has black start capability with the diesel and can be readied to be put online with no external grid power available. Some are electric motor started and some have steam turbine start. What you hear at the end of the video is pretty much like it sounds at full load. There is no thunder! That exhaust stack at 1:30 has turned blue because of massive amounts of hot air at 1000 degrees F coming out of a 13x13 foot stack. The diesel is inside the accessory cab which has the 5 black radiator inlets toward the right, and the round fan housing on top. The turbine air inlet is the stack with the snow on top. The generator cab is on the far left. The Accessory, Turbine, and Generator and Control cabs were designed to fit through railroad tunnels throughout the world. They are easily set on a massive concrete foundation where they are bolted down, piped, then aligned, and all of the external pieces are added. It takes about 3-6months to put one together. Fun fact...it has 2 spark plugs. They retract from the combustion liners as the compressor discharge pressure builds up. I blacked out the entire East side of Lake Maracaibo in Venezuela long ago when one unit was down for maintenance and the other was at full load. I was behind the Speedtronic control panel and closed a panel when a sharp edge shorted out a wire and tripped the unit off line. The Hotel at Mene Grande was pissed off at me. Thanks for the memories. I hope you don't mind a few corrections!

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for all the detailed information! We had 4 similar units around the state, but the other 3 are air starting units. This is the only one that uses a Detroit. It's definitely a Detroit, but we sold off generation so I no longer had access to the units. You're probably right about it being 12v71... I know it's 12 cylinder and I know it's twin turbo, but I couldn't remember the displacement, so I guessed based on what the different models looked like. This one is used to power a rural area in the event of a line outage or substation equipment failure. There are 2 together that are black start units in case of a state or larger region wide power failure and the grid has to start from zero. I have a video of one of them running and loading up... it seems to have that plane-like rumble when it gets freighted. The last unit is one that I had been told was more of a plane engine based unit. That one runs on #1 as opposed to the one in this video that runs on #2. I'm not sure what the other 2 that I mentioned run on, but they are also used for peaking... I don't think we've ever had to black start the state. Definitely not in the 18 years I've been in substations. Again, I appreciate the knowledge and detail... maybe if you get a chance you can check my other turbine generator video out and add any information you would like to in the comments, thank you!

@kimmer6

Жыл бұрын

@@reusefull I will look at your other videos! This part of my life as a GE Field Engineer is full of cobwebs! I started remembering lots of things. After leaving the International Department of GE, I asked to be assigned to California. They put me in the GE San Francisco Marine Department because very few people had gas turbine experience and Chevron had 5 oil tankers in the area. Each one powered by a 7500 hp GE Frame 3 two shaft gas turbine driving a generator which drove an electric motor that turns the ship's propeller. Over the years I ran the overhauls on them all. But GE wanted me to be a ''one size fits all'' Engineer, so they had me all over steam turbine powered ships, nuke powered aircraft carriers, fast attack subs, and all kinds of classified ships and locations. I spent a lot of time around Prudhoe Bay as everything on the North Slope is gas turbine powered. For a while, I was troubleshooting a bunch of non GE machinery, even boilers, pumps, Woodward governors. Diagnose the stuff, have their crew fix it, then everybody was happy. Those days were fun and I dove in to whatever they assigned me to no matter how weird it was. But I was away for months on end and that started getting really old. I quit. Besides, GE wanted me to take High Voltage Training to be able to run substation repair jobs. Sure. Why not astronaut training as well. Before I said no, some poor kid fresh out of the HV Training School got fried when he got up an personal with a huge transformer that was not tagged out. I told them no after that. Thanks for keeping the lights on back there!

@rearspeaker6364

Жыл бұрын

@@kimmer6 thank you for sharing the information!!!

@kimmer6

Жыл бұрын

@@rearspeaker6364 You're welcome. Wow, I sure get wordy when I drink and type!

@ianhotson6057

Жыл бұрын

@@kimmer6 LOL, I do the same thing! But you did give some really good information

Imagine it’s perfectly quiet and you mistakenly camped nearby thinking it was gonna be a relaxing weekend

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@RichWellner

2 ай бұрын

That's what you get for reserving an electric site...

12 cylinder pony motor, WOW!

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

That's what really impressed me for sure.

@danbraun8430

Жыл бұрын

Right? Holy fuck

@Fossillarson

Жыл бұрын

That's not normal jet turbine lol

@horstman1970

Жыл бұрын

GE frame 5 rotor weighs about 10 tons, the generator pickle weighs 10 tons, add to that the accessory and load gearboxes. That's a huge amount of mass to accelerate to a self-sustaining speed.

@Chr.U.Cas2216

Жыл бұрын

Dear Mark N. Don't forget the 2 ! Turbos on it! Best regards luck and health.

Detroit Diesel two strokes are not just noise generators but supremely reliable and dependable engines. My favourite engine of all time.

@urgentcareguy3

Жыл бұрын

And will lubricate your undercarriage, keeping it rust free! 🤣 Great engines, although they leak enough oil to make Shell Oil smile.

@graham2631

Жыл бұрын

@Honor America DD don't leak thats just them marking territory. Dependable? Yup, the 4/71 GM ('54 block) in my boat was inframed in '86 and is still strong with no sign of any problem. Love my lil green meanie.

@dukecraig2402

Жыл бұрын

When they idle for 5 minutes or longer then you rev it up they belch out a cloud of black smoke that'd rival the eruption of Mt St Helens. I lived in the hull of an armored vehicle for 3 years of my life that was powered by a V6 two stroke Detroit Diesel, I'm familiar enough with them to know that they could have saved themselves the time and money of making a throttle assembly for the vehicle and just used a toggle switch marked idle and run because you never ran the engine anywhere in between, after I got out of the Army I talked to some old time truck drivers who said the best way to get one of those two stroke Detroit Diesel engine's to run is to slam the truck door on your hand when you're getting into it, drive angry or you won't get anywhere fast.

@FlatBroke612

Жыл бұрын

@@urgentcareguy3 “Green leaker” and “driptroit” come to mind! I’ve had pretty good luck with leaks but mostly dealing with detroits as ships generators. Put air box drain catch can/tank on them solves that leak, anything else leaking can be fixed. You could eat off the floor in one of our generator rooms even with three 12v149’s screaming away in there.

@billywilliams6853

Жыл бұрын

But..... will it start in zero degree weather?????

Noise generator starting a jet generator. Epic!!

@GaryBlankenship96b40

Жыл бұрын

Both on fossil fuels by the way

@Blazefork

Жыл бұрын

The best device ever invented to convert diesel fuel to noise...Detroit Diesel. ...love em

@JFinnerud

Жыл бұрын

@@Blazefork 😄

@GaryBlankenship96b40

Жыл бұрын

@@Blazefork lol yeap

@umaikakudo

Жыл бұрын

@JFinnerud Not as epic as a Commander Keen avatar!

I like reading the comments telling stories about professionals past experiences with these. I'm a year out of welding school and hoping to have memories like these one day.

It's a very cool experience to be in the control room hearing that Detroit scream then the shrill turbine sound.

@reusefull

4 ай бұрын

Nice!

You KNOW somebody is out there right now thinking, "How can fit this under my hood?" Thanks for the vid, the sound of sheer power!

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

I had to do it... 😂

@jeffharper7579

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't go under the hood it goes in the bed of a pickup that is pulling a semi tanker to feed this beast!

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

@Jeff Harper yup. I'm not sure how much fuel the detroit uses, but the turbine goes through almost 2000 gallons an hour when it's loaded

@markdanielczyk944

Жыл бұрын

You know it!

@roundthirteen

Жыл бұрын

Guys like Art Arfons (rip) already did this 30+ years ago on outlaw tractor pull tractors, look up "The Green Monster" "Dragon Lady" and "The General" they all used turbines.

I came for the video, but stayed for the comments! Wow!

Got to love those Detroit diesel engines

WOW! The 12 cylinder Detroit is a pretty strong generator itself.

Love these sorts of videos. Big Detroit Diesel and turbine engines, enough output to power a medium sized town. Love the hidden infrastructure that maintain our world.

We have a Pratt & Whitney Jet (and it's an actual JET engine) with a similar output. It has an air start supplied from a 450psi reservoir. From the time I push the button, it will be synched and on-line in 8-9 minutes and will autoload to up to 24 MW's depending on the ambient temperature. We use water injection for NOx control. There used to be two of these P&W jets at my plant, but one was removed in 2004 and not returned due to permitting issues (we're in the middle of a big city). For 40+ years they ran on Jet "A" but were converted to run on No. 2 ultra low sulfur distillate a few years back. The jet gives us black start capability. The plant's prime mover is a GE 7F gas turbine which powers a 175 MW (nominal) generator. This runs on either natural gas or the same No. 2 oil as the Jet. We're permitted to run the big machine on liquid fuel up to 720 hours a year. The exhaust from the CT is used to make steam in a HRSG which in turn runs a 1300-200psi Back Pressure Steam turbine which supplies steam to a large district heating system.

@Fossillarson

Жыл бұрын

That be fun job playing maintenance

@reusefull

4 ай бұрын

One of our other units is a 24 MW Pratt & Whitney that runs on Jet A. It definitely looks like a jet to my eyes when I see it, but I don't work on those, We seperated from generation a few years ago so now I just work in the yards where they are, and see them do test runs occasionally. It's just for peaking/emergencies and black start.

@huh4233

4 ай бұрын

And they want to run the world on solar panels..............

@SuperDirk1965

4 ай бұрын

Do you actually know the difference between a jet engine and a turbine? How do you make electricity with your jet engine? Is it mounted on some sort of cart that drives around and is pulling a generator? A jet engine delivers thrust and nothing else.

@reusefull

4 ай бұрын

@SuperDirk1965 I understand that there is a shaft connected to it and so that makes it a combustion turbine, but when you're standing there looking at the thing with your eyes, your brain says to you... "that's a jet engine" and when when your listening to it spool up and load up with your ears your brain is again telling you "that's a jet engine"... particularly the Pratt and Whitney unit that fires on compressed air.

I maintained 12v149 Detroit’s as ships generators for years. Slept many nights above three of those quad turbo/twin blower monsters...

@dukecraig2402

Жыл бұрын

I was a crewman on an M113 based chassis in the Army, in the summer evenings I'd sleep on the engine's exhaust grate where all the heat from the engine compartment cooling off after being shut down would rise up through it.

@tommullaney8714

Жыл бұрын

16V149TI on a lot of USN ships with 1000kw gen sets.

@johnmcnatty1710

Жыл бұрын

How ?

*Fun Fact* This is where all the EVs actually get their power. *Edit (Thanks for the upvotes for this silly thread. ) Now, dance my pretties, dance! 😋

@winstonpoplin

Жыл бұрын

Fun fact number 2, a turbine power generation station is more efficient than a piston internal combustion engine. So even if an electric car used 100% coal generated power it would still be more efficient to use an electric car rather than an internal combustion engine. Go look up the studies this is all well documented information based on the efficiencies of each type of energy generation. And since natural gas is now the largest contributor to the electrical grid it is even more efficient than when using coal. And if we would allow our industries to build more nuclear power generation then it would negate the issue entirely.

@tcmtech7515

Жыл бұрын

@@winstonpoplin Nope. Don't fall for the lies behind EV's or recycling or environmental anything. The typical modern Natural Gas fueled jet turbine generator is only around 25 to 35% efficient. The national electrical grid is only around 30 to 40% efficient. The typical EV has around 70 to 80% charge to drive efficiency. .25 x .3 x .7 = ~ *5.2%* to .35 x .4 x .8 = ~ *11.2%* Vs the average gasoline-burning vehicle at around 25 to 30% efficient. (~35 to 40% with high-efficiency non-emissions compliant engine designs.) Or the average diesel vehicle at around 35 to 40% efficiency. (~43 to 48% with high-efficiency non-emissions compliant engine designs.) All of this is fact checkable too. 😉

@winstonpoplin

Жыл бұрын

@tcmtech7515 It's like you didn't even research the topic before replying to this. Here is a basic quote describing the numbers involved as well as several links to sites that have good graphics that may make it easier for you to understand. "Although the EV motor is more efficient than the internal combustion engine, the well to wheel (WTW) efficiency should be investigated in terms of determining the overall energy efficiency. In simple words, this study will try to answer the basic question - is the electric car really energy efficient compared with ICE-powered vehicles? This study investigates the WTW efficiency of conventional internal combustion engine vehicles ICEVs (gasoline, diesel), compressed natural gas vehicles (CNGV) and EVs. The results show that power plant efficiency has a significant consequence on WTW efficiency. The total WTW efficiency of gasoline ICEV ranges between 11-27 %, diesel ICEV ranges from 25 % to 37 % and CNGV ranges from 12 % to 22 %. The EV fed by a natural gas power plant shows the highest WTW efficiency which ranges from 13 % to 31 %. While the EV supplied by coal-fired and diesel power plants have approximately the same WTW efficiency ranging between 13 % to 27 % and 12 % to 25 %, respectively. If renewable energy is used, the losses will drop significantly and the overall efficiency for electric cars will be around 40-70% depending on the source and the location of the renewable energy systems." Its really all quite well established. www.energycouncil.com.au/analysis/evs-are-they-really-more-efficient/ www.google.com/amp/s/www.motortrend.com/news/evs-more-efficient-than-internal-combustion-engines/amp/ ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2020SJRUE..24..669A/abstract#:~:text=The%20total%20WTW%20efficiency%20of,from%2013%20%25%20to%2031%20%25. It is not conducive or beneficial to a learning enviornment to post information as if it is factual when a simple google search and reading over a few studies can show the truth of the situation.

@tcmtech7515

Жыл бұрын

@@winstonpoplin Thanks for showing the same numbers I used while simultaneously trying to argue from a point of highly specific semantics, despite the greater average numbers of what you linked to supporting what I said. You do know that where most of the EV's are located they are at the farthest points away from where the high-efficiency NG and Coal-fired baseload (Steam based) power plants are located, right? 🤨

@Simon-dm8zv

Жыл бұрын

@@tcmtech7515 Average CO2 emissions per kWh per country is what counts. Therefore an EV is always less polluting than a comparable combustion engine car. Even in carbon heavy countries like Poland.

When I was going through automotive trade school in N.E. Ohio during the late eighties. I worked at an industrial radiator repair business. We re-cored those massive industrial radiators used in these supplemental generators. The radiators alone can weigh several tons. That's when I learned about waterless coolant. It's awesome stuff. It doesn't expand when it gets hot like traditional antifreeze, meaning you don't need a high pressure cooling system to keep the water, like in traditional water mixed automotive antifreeze, from gassing (boiling) because there isn't any water in it. When you don't have to also make the radiator a pressure vessel, it significantly decreases unit cost and increases the units life. I now put 'Evan's' brand waterless coolant and a 3 psi radiator cap in all of my vehicles and I haven't had a cooling system problem since. When radiators and heater cores are constantly being expanded under pressure, they eventually fail. Especially modern automotive radiators with 'plastic' tanks. It's awesome stuff. It was made for industrial applications but now, You can just buy it right on Amazon. I heard about Evan's 9-10 years ago finally being available to consumers and I've been using Evan's Waterless Coolant ever since. I swear by the stuff.

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

Great information! Thanks for sharing! I'll check it out.

@Paios

Жыл бұрын

waddup from Cleveland bud ✌️

@brendan25

Жыл бұрын

Cinci represent

@lloydevans2900

7 ай бұрын

Do you know what the composition of the waterless coolant is? I'm guessing it won't be a hydrocarbon liquid, because that would be too flammable and not have enough heat capacity to replace water in the cooling system. Waterless coolant is not a new idea - aircraft engines in world war 2 used pure ethylene glycol as coolant all the time without a problem. Glycol has about 60% the heat capacity of water, so it does need to be pumped a bit faster, but the boiling point is much higher so the radiator can be smaller for the same heat dissipation. With all that in mind, I'm guessing that the waterless coolant is a glycol blend of some sort - does it appear to have a higher viscosity than water when you pour it?

@alouisschafer7212

4 ай бұрын

Interesting! I guess that waterless coolant also has superb qualities when it comes to corrosion and material compatibility like gaskets, rubber hoses. What about cavitation? Thats critical with some engines. I really like using products that are meant for industrial use because its always good stuff.

Very cool, some serious power! Now now you got tree huggers all upset, but least they are warm 🤣

@howardsimpson489

Жыл бұрын

I am an ex diesel automotive mechanic and drive an EV. Still love the old iron, grew up with Detroit eartmovers but like dinasaurs their time is running out. My favorite ICE sound is aero radials, very rare now.

@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606

3 ай бұрын

@@howardsimpson489EVs are dead, nice fad for a couple years but people don’t like paying $50,000 for a battery

We used to have a Pratt and Whitney Twin PAC 40 MWe at our power plant. It could remotely start a go to full load in three minutes. We almost always locally manually started it for summer peak loads. Overspeed testing was really cool!

Ahh Lost Nation CT, I always was curious how it sounded when starting, glad to know it’s finally fixed. It’ll get a work out this winter for sure. Thanks for the videos.

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

NH

@740GLE

Жыл бұрын

@@reusefull CT == combustion turbine, I definitely know Connecticut doesn’t have snow on the ground. I’m just glad you guys were able to finally fix the unit, hope she’s in tip top shape she’ll be burning through fuel this winter.

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

@@740GLE Ok... gotcha. I'm out of touch on that unit. The company sold off generation, so I'm no longer involved. Just with the S/S that's across the street.

Absolutely love the sound of a 2 stroke Detroit Diesel going flat out, especially a 12.

Our local utility has two 50MW (I believe) units about a quarter mile away from our small power plant (University). One day they were doing maintenance and had a gas leak which blew out all of the walls of the building. It didn't kill anyone thankfully, but the pressure wave was so large it went around or over our 30,000 ton coal pile and into our turbine room, then slammed into our control room door like someone kicking it as hard as they could.

I love hearing these stories! Union millwright here. Worked on some big shit but not that big super dope!

Love the sounds. Amazingly beautiful

Now that’s an impressive setup in many ways. Love the sounds and whole concept too. Would love to see inside the building as well!

This reminded me of the generators we had in the USAF in the mid 70's. I was in the 3rd MOB (renamed Combat Comm Group). We went out and set up the communication for remote air bases. For power we had 2 types of generators, diesel and turbine. I seem to remember 10KW but not sure. I know we had a bunch of them when we deployed and we towed them behind our trucks. The turbines sounded a lot like a jet starting and they were quieter than the diesels. Helped me to sleep during the day because the constant sound. They did't sound thing like this but this is a whole lot more power!

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

I like the sound of a big diesel genny turning 1800 rpm... it's soothing to me haha. Like you said, this thing is a whole different animal!

Back in the 80's ,I worked at Detroit Diesel Research Lab in Detroit. I worked on 53, 71, Silver 92 , 60 and 149 series. The 149 was my favorite of them all.

@ericrehagen4194

Жыл бұрын

I would love to see 24v149 in person

@Romans--bo7br

3 ай бұрын

@@ericrehagen4194.... There is NO "24v149". The largest Series 149 was the 20 cylinder, and Not very many were ever built.... but quite a few of the V12's and V16's. There weren't a lot of the V8's, either. The only V6's ever made were for when they were assembling a V20... with a V6, V8 & V6. The Only V24 (from Stewart & Stevenson) were built using two V12's (Series 71).

Thats someone who really knows what they are talking about im impressed🥃

I live right next to that thing. My noise cancelling headphones are just the bomb.

"how dare you" lol👍

Great video and fantastic knowledge from other commenters ! Thanks for sharing.

bro that detroits just loving it

Wow, a buzzing dozen just for a starter! Incredible

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

That's what I thought... holy **** that's a starter!!

When I worked inside the NORAD Cheyenne Mountain Complex, we had 6 Six Cooper Enterprise R3 diesel gensets that generated 10.5 mw to power the complex in an emergency. The noise in a confined space is horrendous, thank goodness for ear protection and soundproof control rooms.

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

Yup. In the generation plants, some rooms required double ear protection.

@erikkovacs3097

Жыл бұрын

10.5 MW each or total for the 6? I have a hard time believing the entire Cheyenne Mountain complex consumes 60MW.

@WhitfieldProductionsTV

Жыл бұрын

@@erikkovacs3097 the stargate requires a ton of power.

@Prometheus203

Жыл бұрын

@@erikkovacs3097 10.5 total capability, but that would not account for redundancy so most likely the entire complex consumes around 2.8MW at peak consumption.

@erikkovacs3097

Жыл бұрын

@@WhitfieldProductionsTV Didn't they use jumper cables in one episode?

Very cool, and here I thought the two, twin turbo 399 Cat gensets I maintained on on floating fish processor were big! Combined they put out a little less then 2 megawatts, not even close to that bad dad you shared. Thanks for sharing :)

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

It's pretty impressive to me when I see it fire up!

@Whatsinanameanyway13

Жыл бұрын

There's always a bigger fish

The generator thinking: A'right, guess I'll just follow along then 🤭

Pretty cool... back in the 90s I was in Bakersfield (racing) and a friend headed a crew that just finished rebuilding one of these at an oil field.. it was in "test" run also.. said they had to make sure no vibrations etc... was pretty amazing just how big that thing is walking one end to the other.. I remember feeling it running through the ground..

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

The idea of a 12 cylinder starter engine just blows me away. They're pretty impressive when they run.

That's incredible. I love this. I'm an industrial generator technician and have never seen anything like this, especially in FL, where standby power generation is so important.

@reusefull

5 ай бұрын

Most of ours start with compressed air, but this one is special!

@scrapmanindustries

4 ай бұрын

@@reusefull is this one in PA?

@reusefull

4 ай бұрын

@@scrapmanindustries NH

@estebanamador7601

2 ай бұрын

​@@reusefull when does it starts? Peak loading, stand by, black start?

@reusefull

2 ай бұрын

@@estebanamador7601 It is for all those, but it is mostly for peak loading and as an occasional backup of a line goes out. It services a fairly large rural area.

That 2-stroke V12 sound though! That thing sounds crazy for a diesel, as if it revs at 7000 RPM. It doesn't of course, but it sure sounds that way.

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

Yes sir!

@pjford1118

Жыл бұрын

If it is a 2 stroke running at 3,500rpm it would sound like a 4 stroke running at 7,000rpm. First time I started a GD 1150cfm compressor I nearly crapped in my pants, it sounded like it was way over speed. The lead mechanic calmly told me that half the strokes means 2 times the power pulses for the same speed.

@Gersberms

Жыл бұрын

@@pjford1118 Indeed. For power density, you can't beat a 2 stroke engine, gas or diesel. The issue is how wasteful and dirty they are.

@Toxic2T

Жыл бұрын

@@Gersberms Can't deny that, these mofos stain everything in range 😂

@davelowets

Жыл бұрын

@@Gersberms and low power for the size that they were... 🤷🏻

Deep in the primeval forest, kingdom of nature's repose and silence, sanctuary from the cacophony of modern life, is this shrieking ear-shattering banshee. How cool.

Superb episode, thanks. Cast off all lines fore and aft! Ah…so windmills and solar panels are supposed to replace diesel fuel, coal & nuclear energy power generation? Maybe in 200 years from now. Carry on!

At Rolls Royce we used build stations like this, after the ice storm in 98 Royce’s installed a test Bed near Montreal so they could run turbines to generate power for hospitals in emergency situations

@HuckThis1971

Жыл бұрын

Yes. There is always an engine next to the water filtration plant. At least Montreal can get get running drinking water because of this. I myself worked at rolls Royce.

@chrisbarnes2823

Жыл бұрын

@@HuckThis1971 yes I worked at both plants back in the early 80’s.

@markdavis2475

Жыл бұрын

In the 1970's, I used to help my dad's service engineers doing gas detection at Greenwich Power Station in London. The power station had eight RR Avons running on natural gas. Was this the type of setup used near Montreal?

That high pitched scream is what my tinitus sounds like just not NEARLY as loud.

We have 5 of those in a back up power plant in the city of Vega Baja, Puerto Rico. They are used as back up when one of the main power plants on the island goes offline. They had to build a sound dampening wall around the complex due to neighboring communities complaints about the loud sound.

@toomanybears_

Жыл бұрын

If they bitch about the sound too much just shut them down and give them something to really bitch about.

@Paramedicpr835

Жыл бұрын

@@toomanybears_ they are not used to often anymore since other more efficient options have made available and are only brought online on emergencies when larger generators fail. This mostly because they are more expensive to run due to the fuel they use and also the noise level they produce. But believe me, in a big blackout neighbors won't complain about the noise as long as they get the power back.

That's a big one. where I work we have a bunch of Kawasaki turbine generators that run off of natural gas, they use compressed air starting and can be brought up to full power in 1.5 seconds, and they're quieter than the diesel gens, which is saying a lot since our diesels are pretty quiet with the massive mufflers and sound deadening enclosures, and these are huge 20 cylinder diesels identical to what you'd find in a locomotive.

Right around the corner from my house. This thing is insane, can hear it for about a mile.

@fiatman71

Жыл бұрын

Where is this?

@MintMonte87ACSS312

Жыл бұрын

@@fiatman71 I don’t really want to disclose that just incase the poster works here. If the original author says it’s okay I will.

@AlexJonesWasRight1776

Жыл бұрын

my coworker and i watched this and we both guessed it was still screaming loud frpm a mile out. lol nice.

@reusefull

4 ай бұрын

@@MintMonte87ACSS312 Thanks for the discretion... I missed this comment. It's OK by me. I do work at the SS from time to time, but the video was taken right from the street, so there isn't anything here that anyone wouldn't have access to. 👍

Love the 2 cycles!! Still a great engine!!

I work on industrial generators and never knew anything like this existed. Fricken amazing

@reusefull

10 ай бұрын

Impressive to me! I bet a real kick out of a Detroit diesel that's a starter...

That’s what is required on the grid when the renewables don’t generate.

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

You will see more and more synchronous condensers on the system as renewables produce more power.

@alouisschafer7212

Жыл бұрын

Setups like these have their days numbered I mean just the fuel must be expensive enough to justify replacement.

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

@Alouis Schäfer I'm not really involved in that end of it, but I'm pretty sure that the ability to come on line at full power within minutes even in the event of a complete outage continues to make them valuable as emergency units and for peaking. When demand outpaces generation, the momentary price per Megawatt of power skyrockets exponentially making them profitable to run.

@ostlandr

Жыл бұрын

Knew a guy online in Ontario, Canada who lived off the grid. He had a solar array, a wind turbine, and a battery bank. And a diesel generator for long periods of calm cloudy weather.

@russellk.bonney8534

Жыл бұрын

You need diesel or methanol.

Getting ready to charge all the e.v's. lol

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

😂

@rv10flyer84

Жыл бұрын

No, we do that at night when there’s excess power. Or we charge with our own 33kW solar system during the day.

@johnlockesghost5592

Жыл бұрын

@@rv10flyer84 rectal massage. You typed in a bunch of words but all it says is rectal massage.

@BrokeWrench

Жыл бұрын

@@rv10flyer84 you realize by "excess power" your just talking about total capacity. They dont just "waste" power when its not being used. Your off-peak charging is using as much fuel as any other time

@EthanSell-mn5uo

3 ай бұрын

@@BrokeWrench Highfleet Sevastopol crew: "turbines operational!"

That sounds just like the vacuum cleaner I returned to Amazon last month. On Monday it sang like a bird on Tuesday it nearly ruptured my eardrums!

I remember in the Chicago suburbs I grew up in had some of these just off a bike trail in a large switching area. Would hear them going full blast during peak summer demand.

the buzzin dozen does it again

@genearthur6889

5 ай бұрын

More correctly "dirty dozen".

Interesting video. Here in the UK we used to have big 2000MW coal fired power stations with industrial versions of the Olympus jet engines fitted to them that were used on Concorde and Vulcan bombers. These generated 32 MW to get the coal conveyors, coal mills and pumps and fans running in the event of a black start situation. I don't know if they used a diesel to get them going though.

@reusefull

6 ай бұрын

The one in this video is for a rural area, but there is a 400MW coal plant that has a couple of these for black starts, those use compressed air to start.

Bet the wildlife love it! Warms up the immediate area, too!

These are my two favorite mechanical sounds 👌

A 12 cil Detroit as a starter motor. That alone makes it amazing.

@grandinosour

Жыл бұрын

that is what is called a "pony motor".

I want that diesel, "for my square body pick-up". (thumbs up)

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@rearspeaker6364

Жыл бұрын

your pickup needs a 16V-149 in it, it will fit perfectly!

@joequillun7790

Жыл бұрын

@@rearspeaker6364 LOL. (Happy Turkey Day.)

@rsmith3033

Жыл бұрын

an ole buddy once told me “hell it wud drag tha ground an stick out of tha hood @ tha same time “ never have forgot that thought

@rearspeaker6364

Жыл бұрын

@@rsmith3033 sounds like certain parts of a male body while in use at night..........

Wow, look at them nice blue stains on that stack--HOT STUFF COMIN' THROUGH! Nice vid, pardner.

They're waiting for you Gordon. In the tesssst chamberrrrr.

it takes a while for that Detroit to spin that turbine up. it's gotta get to like 80% of it's operating RPM before it can light or it'll burn to death, and getting there is taking all that detroit has to offer lmao. I bet the clutch in that gearbox is MASSIVE

That sound made me think the only way anyone standing in there is either deaf or with shooting range quality ear muffs.

Some dodge boy will say it needs a Cummins swap.

I love the lack of context in the description, it really makes this video make sense.

Any 12-cylinder Detroit sounds amazing at full welly. The hospital where I used to work had three emergency generator sets to supply all its power if Edison was offline, and each set had a quad-turbo Detroit 12V149 that was kept warm and ready to go. When all three were running, their noise during the Wednesday morning weekly tests was amazing: my bus's puny little 6V92TAC tries so hard to sound like them, but it just can't compete! I hope the video's Detroit starter engine was idled for sufficient time to cool down its turbos after it was disconnected from the gas turbine.

@13669wrights

Жыл бұрын

The place I worked at at generators in each building, and a large facility generator with a large cat. If power failed, the building generators would start up, and then after 1-2 minutes the facility generator would start, and the building generators would shut down. A large bulk tank of diesel fueled the facility generator, and fuel trucks would come every day during an extended outage.

@TheCanadianBubba

Жыл бұрын

Ran an off road MACK with the 6V in it to supply fire-lines in the forests here one summer... was told crews could hear ne coming for miles 👍

@thegreatkingdaniel

Жыл бұрын

Any DD 2-Stroke sounds amazing. Fixed it for you.

@Ayeobe

4 ай бұрын

Did not realise they made a 149 series.. wow. That's 1788c.i.

@tothemaxx1991

4 ай бұрын

​@@Ayeobe I didn't either! I wonder if it would fit in my Silverado :3

The start cart for the SR-71 Blackbird had two Buick 400 hp engines coupled together to start the J-58 engines. One start cart for each engine. People say it was like the start of the Indy 500 since the Buicks had straight pipe off of each cylinder.

@reusefull

4 ай бұрын

I have heard about that... "sounds" pretty impressive! Going to a gran prix race is on my list.

The funny part is I used to start a 12V92 once a week that powered a 1 Megawatt generator we used for standby power. This installation in the video would give around 15 Megawatt. And as far as not a jet engine, Tomato Tomato. Any "jet engine" is a gas turbine.

Very cool!! Great black start capability there!

@reusefull

4 ай бұрын

Indeed! It's also for backup in a rural area in case the 115kv transmission line goes out.

That's one big pony motor!

Engineer: we don't need mufflers it's only a starter engine Company: Well done for saving us money Engineer: Guys, listen to this

Thank goodness for environmental noise regulations and the acoustical consultants who design noise control for these necessary units.

I worked in Prudhoe Bay in the warehouse delivering parts all over the ARCO side (BP had the other side), all three Flow Stations had GE LM1500 turbines compressing the gas being separated from the oil before being sent to the Gas Injection Plant for compression up to 3000 psi to be injected back into the dome. Each Flow Station had a Frame 5 generating electricity for the Station, they are huge. We had several LM1500's in the warehouse in their cans ready to go out if necessary. The scale of everything up there is staggering.

@reusefull

Ай бұрын

Sounds impressive for sure👍

You should see the size of the detroit diesels on top of the Calgary alberta General Hospital, Huge. Saw them when went to Detroit school in calgary years ago in the 80s.

@ostlandr

Жыл бұрын

The office building I worked in had a huge Cat powered backup generator out back. Had a two bank whole building UPS unit to hold until the generator could spin up. One time when the power went out, it turned out one of the battery banks had failed, and when the other one tried to take the whole load it exploded.

Reminds me of the old way SR-71 engine was started. Except it use twin Buick Hotrod engine 😅

@andyking9673

Жыл бұрын

Not Oldsmobile?

@rearspeaker6364

Жыл бұрын

@@andyking9673 no, original start carts had twin Buick 401 nailhead engines in them, later on, they used twin 454 chevy engines in them.

@andyking9673

Жыл бұрын

@@rearspeaker6364 the only on I got close to had a Oldsmobile 455 engine. As a 442 fan I thought that was cool

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

I used to have an old electra with a nailhead... pretty fond of those 👍

@stevebot

Жыл бұрын

@@rearspeaker6364 The ‘bird at Evergreen museum in McMinnville OR has a Buick powered unit with it.

Aw yiss! This makes me headbang. This is METAL!

A few years ago I was brought in to decommission a gas turbine set at the old Emery Air Freight headquarters in Wilton Ct. As I recall it was direct coupled via a gearbox that took the 18,000 RPM down to 1,800 RPM for the gen end. It was oil cooled and electric start. This was a standby set for power outages and was installed circa 1970. What they used to keep the building powered while this spooled up was a giant flywheel system that was out in the parking lot. That was basically a mechanical UPS for the mainframe computers in the complex. I have some detailed pictures around here someplace. BTW, the flywheel system was pulled out around 25 years ago so the turbine was collecting dust and talking up space. The new tenant had a better use for all of those square feet.

@dukecraig2402

Жыл бұрын

What does decommissioning one involve? Scrapping or mothballing or something like that?

@rupe53

Жыл бұрын

@@dukecraig2402 I have no idea what the contractor was doing with it but they needed all fluids drained for transport. The unit was oil cooled.

@Adirondack_Gimp92

Жыл бұрын

@@rupe53 Isn't it amazing what we used to build in this country? What we used to design and engineer to solve problems of the day? Like that flywheel UPS backup power supply system for a mainframe. Things like that. I seriously wonder if we could do the same thing today. I worked for GE in the 1980s at their defense contractor business, Knolls Atomic power lab in New York . They needed a variable frequency power supply for a couple of the test systems we had, so they were using a couple of old trolley car track power units to accomplish it. From what I remember it was called the motor generator set. You would start up one unit on 4160 VAC house power and after it got up to speed you would bring online the second unit and the second unit would generate the variable frequency that you needed to run the test facility. These things were huge. Each one was mounted on a concrete base probably 12 or 16 ft tall total. I would say that diameter of the generator was probably about 8 ft or so. I distinctly remember having to go out there in this out building where these two were located, in the middle of winter, around 5 in the morning and start these units. We had to do it early in the morning because it was such a draw on the local power grid the power company would get pissed if we pulled the grid down during rush hour. I swear for a young guy in his twenties, this was something like out of a science fiction movie. The switch gear was in like a locker and when that thing closed it was like lightning bolts inside the metal box. Again amazing technology for the day, and from what I was told, those units were eventually pulled out by helicopter and replaced with a couple of units the size of a refrigerator to do the same thing. I hope we can do the same kind of engineering problem solving today but I'm not completely confident. Let's hope so.

Where is this? Alaska? BC? Almost reminds me of the story of how they started up the SR71 Jet engines with Buick small block and Chevy 454 V8s

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

It is in northern New England, tied into the New England power grid for use during peaking and emergencies/outages in the region.

@HuckThis1971

Жыл бұрын

@@reusefull Strange. Québec supplies electricity at a lower rate than Québecers pays. I think it's used more for power failures.

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

@HuckThis1971 I think this particular one is mostly used for failures, but there was only one transformer for a large area and before they added a second, it saw use as a peaker.

@robertsprafke9376

Жыл бұрын

These are everywhere, sitting in bean fields, behind factories, down on the bay and some co-generate the exhaust into steam and spin a steam turbine for power. There made in large packages and some smaller and with different starter packages. Most run a speakers only used at peak usage time. Millwright for over 40 years.

I work in telco at a network switch building. We have a pair of 1.25MW V-16 Cummins diesels for backup power and I thought _these_ were massive. Never seen or heard an actual power plant generator before!

@reusefull

2 ай бұрын

The old 2 stroke diesel is what really makes it sound like that. The thing's a dinosaur, but it does its job like a champ.

@nthgth

2 ай бұрын

@@reusefull I'm sure! But I hope it leaks less than road going Detroits are traditionally known for lol

@reusefull

2 ай бұрын

@@nthgth 🤣🤣🤣

I used to heard a Euc/Terex R-35 rigid frame haul truck and a TS-24 pan and both had 12V-71 motors with Allison trannys and they were STRONG! And as far as a turbine burning 2K gallons an hour, after they fire, think about it. It's a steady stream at full load. It wouldn't take long.

I have feeling that this is the noise people are hearing when you watch those spooky noise videos and they are like 20 miles away and they are recording in the woods.

Is it really a aviation based gas turbine? GE built some monsters that would definitely need all that torque to get going but the Apu's in aircraft and fart carts are tiny when they're just used for starting (rather than having to supply hotel to 200 passenger) Awesome video, did it stink of raw fuel hanging in the air?

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

This one here is more purpose built as a gas turbine, and runs on #2. There is another one on the system that is more of a retrofit and actually runs Jet A (which I think is pretty similar to kerosene). I can't remember the smells, I took the video a few years ago. It pretty loud though, that's for sure.

@allen480

Жыл бұрын

@@reusefull I love the smell of JP-4 in the morning.

@BrokeWrench

Жыл бұрын

@@reusefull jet fuel is basically kerosene while #2 is diesel. They can be mixed to improve cold weather characteristics over pure diesel. The onlybdownside to kerosene is that it doesnt offer much lubrication

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

@Broke Wrench yup, the one in this video runs #2 and I have another video of one that starts with compressed air and that one runs on #1/Jet A

Wow a Motown Stroker spinning up a gas turbine , very like the Bristol Siddeley Olympus Genny sets used in UK Gas Turbine Power Stations. Love the scream of that GE Turbine spinning up to full load, though most gas turbines are started on compressed air.

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

I have another post of a Gas Turbine starting on compressed air👍

Glad I don’t live close to that 😮

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

Indeed

@MrTheHillfolk

Жыл бұрын

If it was just the Detroit purring away I'd buy the property next door. I'm the guy looking for the cheap property next to the drag strip.

@brunoroberge900

Жыл бұрын

@@MrTheHillfolk There really is a client for anything👍

Yes, but what starts the engine that starts the jet?

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure it's a typical, but large starter motor. I never got a chance to look to be honest.

@lesterawilson3

Жыл бұрын

The diesel is likely started with power from the grid as primary, and compressed air or batteries as backup.

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

@Lester Wilson I believe it's a battery system either way, but when the grid is up, the battery is on a charger powered by AC. A lot of substation/generation critical systems operate like that so the equipment is powered from the same source independent from relying on the grid. That way there isn't any transition that has to take place in the event of an outage, the equipment still operates like it's supposed to if it is called upon.

Generally, the turbines are started with compressed air from a compressor driven by the diesel engine. This can also be accomplished with stored compressed air. Cylinders with high pressure compressed air (3000 psi). The air is reduced to a low pressure, high volume flow of air to spin the turbine.

@reusefull

8 ай бұрын

I have a couple other videos that show different turbines using compressed air to fire up. This one here is Clutched directly to the turbine.

We have one of these 12V92’s at the health care facility, (I work engineering and maintenance) as the emergency diesel generator. It’s 33 years old and runs like a clock. That isn’t stopping the stupid health system from wanting to replace it. Dumbasses! It is a wonderful machine.

Virtue signalers who plug in their EV's into this grid, seem to forget about this part, lol....

@cptbuiltk7944

4 ай бұрын

Still more efficient mongo.

@batmanlives6456

3 ай бұрын

Typical of the virtue signalling breed Convenient selective memory disorder…

@pootispiker2866

Ай бұрын

You seem to think about electric cars more than I do my own. Rent. Free.

@joshgarwood3639

25 күн бұрын

That's anywhere in the country. Most of our power is from natural gas. EVs just move the source of emissions from the tail pipe to more being made at the power plant. & considering power plants aren't that efficient at producing power you're actually making more pollution to drive an EV the same distance as an ICE vehicle

@johnhaydon4055

21 күн бұрын

@@joshgarwood3639 Might be worth looking at how much leccy is generated by wind and PV

It’s a gas turbine, not a jet. There’s no fan generating forward thrust. It’s either shaft coupled to an alternator or gas coupled to a power turbine that drives an alternator.

@noelwhittle7922

Жыл бұрын

you wouldn't gas couple to an alternator, speed control (frequency) is too critical. However, for gas compression/transmission you typically gas couple via a power turbine. Edit: evidently this statement is not true.

@OVER-bENGINEERED

Жыл бұрын

@@noelwhittle7922 GE LM2500s in Dresser Rand packages are gas coupled to a power turbine. During light off and acceleration to idle you can watch the power turbine RPM breakaway from zero once the gas generator is running fast enough. This is an aero derivative engine so it’s probably less common but have five installed at a plant I am familiar with.

@noelwhittle7922

Жыл бұрын

@@OVER-bENGINEERED so is that a an alternator package or gas compression?

@OVER-bENGINEERED

Жыл бұрын

@@noelwhittle7922 alternator for AC generation, 13.8kV 22MW and waste heat recovery.

@horstman1970

Жыл бұрын

@@noelwhittle7922 there are many 2 and 3 shaft gas turbine gen sets.

That must be loads of fun to live near. LOL

To all the assholes after the Hurricanes complaining about the generators. I want to show them this video and say it could be so much worse. To be honest with you after the first five or six hours I don't even hear the damn things anymore. Even the neighbors genny running doesn't bother me because I know we need to have them. This Beast, I could not ignore no matter how hard I try.

I can't believe they're running this thing without a muffler lol. I want this in Greta's neighborhood.

@reusefull

Жыл бұрын

It's in a pretty Rural/remote area

@gazratjackson

Жыл бұрын

When Greta reads your comment she's gunna say how dare you 🧟‍♀️

@stevecook7551

Жыл бұрын

@@gazratjackson let her

@cleatuslewinda

Жыл бұрын

You are so right, if there's one thing I can't stand it's children caring about their future. Us bros need to stick together and fight the evil lizard oppressors with our diesel pickups, sans mufflers!

Try generating that kind of power that fast on demand with wind or solar 😂. Drill baby drill and keep that crude pumping.

@surlyogre1476

Жыл бұрын

...and don't neglect nuclear power, either.

@oldstudbuck3583

Жыл бұрын

@@surlyogre1476 Excellent point. May your energy demand be high and your costs low.

Good thing they have these, wouldn't want thier electric cars to run out of juice

Hell, you KNOW it's a bigass motor when you have a 12V92 as a pony motor starter!

@reusefull

2 ай бұрын

Yes sir

FJB will have that shut down soon.

@dfb1111

Жыл бұрын

Yes, he will replace it with Pixie dust and Unicorn farts to magically generate electricity.

@toomanybears_

Жыл бұрын

@@dfb1111 Windmills that work when there's no wind and solar panels that work at night. You know, technologies THEY don't want you to know about.

@dfb1111

Жыл бұрын

@@toomanybears_ Then there is that pesky Grid that is incapable of carrying all this new demand created by the elimination of fossil fuel.

When the wind doesn't blow and the sun is blocked by clouds, start this reliable energy soarce so houses and people won't freeze. An energy device made to work under any conditions. We need more of these instead of expensive unreliable green garb because of the coming ice age in a thousand years.

@SilverStarHeggisist

Жыл бұрын

And more nuclear, even more reliable.

I worked for a company in Arkansas that built air filtering units for these. The town over install a couple to cut the peak on their electric usage.

I worked at Siemens Westinghouse for 21 years. Aircraft converted power plants are cool, but not as efficient as dual cycle stationary industrial turbines. Those are built for torque, not thrust. Ours weighed in the order of 300 tons.

Just put in some solar panels lol

@rv10flyer84

Жыл бұрын

I did. 33kW no power bill. Greedy bastions.

I remember the days that motor was running up and down the highways in long nose Pete's, KW's and an occasional Autocar. Based on and with Allison these motors were found in the PT boat's and P51 Mustang's. Backed with a 5X4 two sticker, 3:53 and tall rubber these would blow flames out the stacks.