You can have a big 3 but it has to make sense. Having 3 guys elite at scoring and not much else only works in NBA 2k

@Tone22845

19 күн бұрын

And you definitely have to have a PG who can run the offense if you have a big 3 . It doesn't matter if the PG is 1 of the big 3 or not.

@MeatBall_Don_Lie

19 күн бұрын

Neither in 2k

@hoopsfan3577

19 күн бұрын

100% agree. They never should’ve traded for Beal. Him and Booker are too redundant in play styles, not to mention they play the same position

@YouCanCallMeReTro

19 күн бұрын

Big 3's work best when built mostly organically. The recent habit of teams tearing apart rosters and assets so they can field 3 stars just makes a paper tiger team that fizzles out after a few years and hurts their long term future.

@mattk720

19 күн бұрын

This is gonna sound stupid...but I think the big 3 of Irving, Durant, and Ben Simmons actually would sound like a good combo on paper and in theory (assuming good health and no drama and playing at their best). The reason I say that is because they all have unique roles and can do multiple things, Kyrie facilitating, Durant pure scoring, and Simmons defense . However, that's just in theory. Obviously the reality was full of issues.

“Paul George is a 2015 thought” …. Thank you Windy 😂

As awful as the Wizards are, that GM bought more time for his job by fleecing the Suns for Bradley Beal 😂

@Christopher._M

18 күн бұрын

When they initially traded for Beal I thought he waved his No trade clause but when I found out he still had it I lost my mind. Dumbest choice the suns could have made.

Legler always with sane takes. Always appreciate having him on the show

@george2198

18 күн бұрын

Just because u agree with him don't mean the others don't make sense, just because he speaks like you.

@banditonehundred

16 күн бұрын

Not a prison of the moment

@PWCDN

14 күн бұрын

@@george2198 I mean, if you don't think he has the sanest takes, maybe you're just insane with comments like that. I agree with him, Legler has the sanest takes, he's the least bias. Every one of those other guys have a favorite team or player biases when they "analyze"

Agree. The last superteam that had a Big 3 (Wizards - with Poole, Shamet, Bagley) finished way below expectations.

@agentcodybanx8909

19 күн бұрын

Did you just call the wizards a superteam?

@michaelscottpapercompany6191

19 күн бұрын

Definitely but next year they might be better. Miami Big 3 failed their 1st year as well.

@macewindu789

19 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@FlyWithMe_666

19 күн бұрын

@@agentcodybanx8909THE superteam

@hassansaleh4649

19 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Legs is right on it. Nuggets have shown that a dynamic duo works well. A dominant big and a very good guard with role players that know their roles and execute.

@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother

19 күн бұрын

Like Tim Duncan’s Spurs

@yzm2065

19 күн бұрын

Still waiting on those 76ers then. Perhaps they just don’t have a big who is dominant mentally.

@hurricanes___6982

19 күн бұрын

Lakers showed it too but got greedy

@carringtonglasgow6694

19 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@alexisrobbins1736

19 күн бұрын

nuggets are a big 3 team. jokic @ 47M, Murray @34M, MPJ @ 33M.

The Big 3 era died once KD, Kyrie, and Harden split. That was easily the most talented big 3 in a very long time, if not ever, and they didn't even get to a Conference Finals.

@bonganimkhwanazi2081

19 күн бұрын

Bro didn't they have like a 15 game win streak that was so hype?

@MrOctober44

19 күн бұрын

They were never healthy

@YouCanCallMeReTro

19 күн бұрын

Same problem with the Nets carried on to the Suns, they gutted the roster to have a 3-headed snake and now they are facing the same futility that the Nets faced.

@Shaq610

19 күн бұрын

Statements like this make my stomach hurt. Y’all leave details out unless it’s your favorite player

@shanerobinson925

19 күн бұрын

Due to injuries

"the other 12 guys are Dollar General" 😂

@sthomas730

19 күн бұрын

Lmao

@spencerwhitsett9350

19 күн бұрын

​@@sthomas730Lmaoooo

@brooklyn1daful

19 күн бұрын

Lmao

@Cherokee_Ryu

19 күн бұрын

Put some Respekt on Dolla General Name! Them boys some Dolla Tree!

@oliviercilengi70

19 күн бұрын

*Laughs in ClubShaeShae*

Should be titled " big three who dont play defense doesn't work"

Bradley Beal is not a big 3 player. They wasted money on him

@drexelspivey872

19 күн бұрын

Yeah Bradley Beal is not even an all star and you’re paying him outrageous amounts

@jaysouthmusic8230

19 күн бұрын

@@drexelspivey872I agree I would have him come off the bench

@adrianadderley1324

19 күн бұрын

Facts , and sadly neither is Paul George nowadays 🤦🏾‍♂️

@wolveman22

19 күн бұрын

@drexelspivey872- With the right group he's still an all star level player. He needs a defensive group around him to be at his best.

@joshuamartinez2182

19 күн бұрын

Beal or Poole was the only option for the suns. Nobody wanted CP3 or Shamet and I still think that trade wasn’t bad for what options they had to choose from.

“Big 3s” are done, now you need a “Fast 5”.

@Earl_E_Burd

19 күн бұрын

Ice Cube, Luda

@johnathanhornesr

19 күн бұрын

😂😂true tho

@MissingMyPeeps

19 күн бұрын

How many good movies they made

They should get CP3 back on the minimum and add Drummond That’s an easy upgrade for two minimum contract players…

A 2015 thought, exactly. It's over for a lot of these guys. Some sooner than expected I'm sure.

I don’t necessarily think the big 3 era is over, but it has to be the right fit. Booker and Beal are essentially the same player playing the same position and Durant is strictly a scorer at this point. I still find it mind blowing how this team went the whole season without getting a true point guard on the roster. Never should’ve traded for Beal, should’ve gone for a veteran point guard similar to Mike Conley.

@Top5Dre

19 күн бұрын

It’s over . Teams are too good . Talent is too good

@Christopher._M

18 күн бұрын

Kd is not strictly a scorer. He's never going to be elite at play making, rebounding or defending but he's always been good to great at those things. When I say always I mean during his prime. The issue is the sun's put 3 SG and a slow footed center that can't finish plays together. Beal, Allen, and booker are all SG. Nurkic isn't a good center in this League. He's slow footed and can't finish plays 3 feet from the basket. Switch Nurkic with claxton. Put 2 long wing defenders like PJ Washington, McDaniels, Murphy. And have a PG like Caruso and no one called it a Superteam but it's a way better team with KD and booker than what they currently have

@coreymelo5962

14 күн бұрын

Durant always been just a scorer

@coreymelo5962

14 күн бұрын

@@Christopher._Mi dont think I ever seen Durant be good to great at defense or playmaking. Thats why the Suns suffer. Because their superstar not defending and barely could get 5 rebounds in some games.

If you look at the History of the game, developing a well-balanced team around a complementary duo > going all in to form a big 3 surrounded by minimum vets & rookies

Dollar General is crazy

Love this topic. Very informative 👌

Suns need Tyus Jone if they have cap room.. He is most likely the only affordable PG on the market

@sthomas730

19 күн бұрын

That's a perfect fit

The big 3 era was over once the Raptors beat the Warriors. The basketball gods spoke that's why all of those guys got hurt. Big names will not be sufficient enough to win a championship anymore.

@jimmyjay689

19 күн бұрын

Tatum, JB and KP just won 64 games

@Change4b

19 күн бұрын

​@@jimmyjay689they won in the East, it's not that impressive. Also maybe Tatum is the only one that can be considered a top 10 player

@Skyblue-qz5ht

19 күн бұрын

@@jimmyjay689the Celtics are more like lob city, good regular season great cast but for some reason can never get it done

@jimmyjay689

19 күн бұрын

History will read: 2024 NBA Champions Boston Celtics

@jimmyjay689

19 күн бұрын

​@@Change4bchris bosh was never top 10, neither was Klay

The problem w/ a big 3 is that someone has to be willing to be Draymond Green. With all of the (mostly deserved) critique he gets, his game has been essential to any success that the Warriors have had in the last decade. You need a guy willing to defend/ facilitate/ do the nitty gritty things that it takes to win in big moments. But he needs to also be ok NOT being the ball dominant guy.

@moses0686

19 күн бұрын

Or a Chris bosh

@jaysouthmusic8230

19 күн бұрын

Or have someone come off the bench like a manu ginobli

@umbreonpokemon8190

19 күн бұрын

Exactly. Even going back to the Celtics Big 3. Ray Allen was cool taking a lessor role. He was getting buckets in Seattle averaging 25 ppg. Granted I dont think the suns Big 3 had an issue with guys not willing to take a step back. I think it was very clear what the pecking order was with Booker #1, KD then Beal. The problem I think for them was lack of leadership. Like Even if KD was cooking he still would stop shooting in the second half. It made no sense. He was 50/40/90 at one point earlier this year and I would watch a game and forget he was even out there.

@avantesmith6442

19 күн бұрын

@@moses0686glad you said it. Aren’t too many all-stars still in their prime willing to sacrifice for the good of the team.

@gs-pd5ox

19 күн бұрын

@@jaysouthmusic8230 yup. It’s more mentality than anything. You need a guy who can come off the bench and fit seamlessly with the starters and then run the 2nd unit. Too many players now want the money and status. Not many guys will take a mid tier salary and be undisputed leader of the 2nd unit.

KD ruined the BIG 3 Era

@bobbytrilla6733

19 күн бұрын

Lol what a reach

@CoolTy23

19 күн бұрын

@@bobbytrilla6733 he’s on his second unsuccessful big three in 3 years…

@AphasicMute

19 күн бұрын

Facts.

@MrMoore88

18 күн бұрын

😂😂😂 KD said but what about Bron

@IconSince87

17 күн бұрын

Kendrick did 😂

This isn't a failure of a "big 3" roster. This is a failure of management getting the wrong big 3. 3 ISO guys on the floor at the same time means that 2 of them are reduced 2 being spot up shooters while the other is doing his ISO. $40 plus million dollars a year spent on 2 guys who are essentially spot up shooters for one third of the game. Also.....Bradly Beal....The worst contract in the entire league. This team was fine until they made the Beal trade.

@marcgil256

19 күн бұрын

I agree, KD needs to stop teaming up with these iso “deep bag” players. He needs to prioritize fit.

@avantesmith6442

19 күн бұрын

I def agree with this. The big 3 has to fit together in some shape or form. I think their biggest mistake was assuming that Book could be a long term PG. If they could’ve gotten a high level facilitator instead of Beal, it probs works out.

Great points windy

I actually like when SAS isn't on. Molly actually gets an input and feels a part of the crew.

Kd should have went to Memphis , played a szn without JA leading the team and next year they both play and become a contender

Said this when the trade went down. Trading for Beal was dumb. Jrue Holiday would’ve been an incredibly better fit had PHX just waited a few days & been patient.

The Celtics have a Big 3 as well - Derrick White, Jalen Brown and Kristaps Porzingis. Oh and they have good role players like Jayson Tatum.

@djturner-smith6380

19 күн бұрын

Very disrespectful to Al Horford

@jimmyjay689

19 күн бұрын

Big 3 + DGod +Jrue = chip

@reigntaylor8808

18 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂

They forgot to mention the first big 3 ever "the Boston three party" Paul Pierce Kevin Garnett Ray Allen. They also had a young Rondo 💀

Big 3s (or more) that come together quickly in a short span have typically underachieved. When the Rockets brought on Barkley, they failed. When LA added Malone & Payton they failed. The Boston Big 3 was expected to win more than just 1 ring. The LeBron Heat were expected to win way more than 2 rings. When LA added Dwight & Nash they failed miserably. Brooklyn failed miserably. And now the Suns. Aside from that, the Suns' big 3 just sucked, their games don't compliment each other. They have 3 ball-dominant scorers with no depth, no defense, no bigs. People still think Brooklyn would've worked too, but they had the same issue. No bigs, no defense, no depth. Of course, if you have 3 talented players, they're going to figure out how to get some wins, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll win a chip. This is on KD though, he keeps trying to go from superteam to superteam. Trying to build something overnight, these superteams lack chemistry. The only reason it worked for him in GSW was because, he joined them, they were already established, so he was just a plug & play.

@s.scottsdale1839

19 күн бұрын

Houston didn't fail cuz Barkley, Olajuwon & Drexler weren't good enough, they were too old by then. Even if they beat Utah & made the finals, they weren't beating the Bulls. Jordan & Rodman were the only key players as old as Houston's 3, and those two were ageless wonders. Pippen was 31, Kukoc & Longley were 28. The avg. age for the '97 Jazz was 29.8, Bulls was 30.6. Houston's 8-man rotation avgd. 34 years old.

@s.scottsdale1839

19 күн бұрын

Not sure if you're like 20 or younger. Malone was 40 when he played w/ that Lakers team and Payton was 35. Boston's big 3 were all in their 30's, plus Garnett missed the '09 playoffs injured. Miami should've beaten Dallas, but they also lost to a great Spurs team w/ an old Duncan, but the other starters' ages avgd. under 27, incl. finals mvp Kawhi. And that L.A. team was old when they added Howard. Nash was 38, Kobe 34, Gasol 32, Artest 33. But I agree w/ yr points on Phoenix losing cuz they have a mediocre defense and no bigs as a threat. It's like adding Harden & Durant together. Two iso players w/ questionable or no defense (JH) who are too wrapped up in themselves.

@lazzi2462

19 күн бұрын

​@@s.scottsdale1839 Did I say they failed because of Barkley? No. My point was, adding more superstars doesn't always work as expected. Not sure if you're 20yrs or younger, but Malone was coming off a great season for a 39yr old, he averaged 20ppg, 5ast, & 8reb, that's probably the 2nd best season ever for a 39yr old just under LeBron. Payton was coming off a 20ppg 8ast season. Aside from them, they still had Kobe & Shaq in their primes! Lmao. That Lakers team was the favorites to be champs, so let's not act like they weren't. Nobody expected Detroit to beat them, they weren't even the favorites to come out the East that year. Malone & GP were older, but they were still Allstar caliber players the season prior to joining LA. And as for the 2012-2013 Lakers, Dwight was the best Center in the NBA at the time & Pau was probably a top 3 PF. You're saying Pau was old, yet he was still an Allstar 2 more times with the Bulls. They had the best Center, the best SG, & a top 3 PF at the time, no excuses as to why they were only a 7th seeded team. Lol

Three superstars taking $50 mil each. The rest of their teammates are guaranteed to not be motivated because they are all underpaid and they also get no credit for their contributions whatsoever.

You know what's better than "Big 3"? Big 5. Make all the starters work like the best 5 players on their team. With a consistent starting 5 and a solid bench to back them up, you have a competitive team.

Good hire!

The "Big 3" in BK with KD, Kyrie, and Harden showed us that names aren't enough; especially if they're all ball dominant. Duo's are more effective, especially for cap space to fill out the bench for quality depth. Perfect example, 2011 Mavericks.

@Christopher._M

18 күн бұрын

What? That team was just injured. You just want to talk narratives

Yooo, “dollar general”? 😂😂😂😂

This big three thing is dumb now. Every good team has atleast three really good players. Suns three isn't even in the top 10 in the league right now. It's not just individual talent, other trios are better across league

Possible Big 3s at present: Brunson-Hart-DiVincenzo (NYK); SGA-Holmgren-Giddey (OKC);

Beal cant be considered in any big 3. Yall tripping

"You got 3 max guys and you got the other 12 guys at Dollar General.." exactly how the Suns roster this year was built...

Nah. Give Curry a big 3 like Giannis/George/KD and the narrative changes. Big 3's only work if the system is suited for them and they are willing to sacrifice for one another.

The teams structure of nba basketball has changed and the teams who figure it out and why will be front and center in the future of the game

A Draymond, Ben Simmons type versatile defender/ball handler would work wonders. But who comes with that talent at a budget. Along with a stretch bruiser big.

Now if they would've won everyone would say the team is stacked

They could be if the 3 players actually balanced the roster properly. Giannis, KD, Shai + competent role players would destroy teams. The problem is big 3's are big 3 in price tag only and not big as in 3 legit superstars.

Most title teams have 2 max contract superstars and a 3rd guy who is all star level but usually making half a max contract salary which allows to fill out role players with quality players = title team

And it's building a team. Not trying to throw all stars together

What is Molly talking about? KD should have went to the Knicks? It would have been the same thing. Circumstances outside of the team’s control ruining everything, but it would have been worse because it’s the Knicks

they told molly be nice to stephen a 😂😂

A Big Three only works if one of those guys is a defensive specialist. Jordan, Pippen, Rodman. Steph, Klay, Draymond.

Phoenix Suns need sign again CP3 🤔🧐🤨

Also the era of building a super team is over when you look at the teams that have one championships recently being mostly homegrown teams mostly built through the draft- nuggets, warriors, bucks, raptors going back to mavs and spurs and pistons... just a few super teams have won championships in recent years, 2020 Lakers, cavs, big 3 miami heat, big 3 celtics

@aaronweaver9370

14 күн бұрын

Almost of the teams you listen are lead by LeBron James which makes all the difference.

2.5. One superstar, one Robin. One utility two-way all defensive enforcer. The more things change the more things stay the same.

The funny thing about is Bron is the one most know for this and at 39 he will likely still try to build another one. Then blame his teammates when it doesnt work. Theres just something different about a team that builds from scratch and add pieces along the way versus a team building a championship level roster overnight. This is why jordan won so many rings. The chemistry was unmatched.

Wow. This show has actually been watchable today.

I know it’s hard but to have a big 3 to work you will have to build it in the draft if possible because if you sign or trade for 3 max players you have no cap space to get other good players,,or you have to get your big 3 to take a crazy pay cut to sign other players

stephen a. said phoenix would be sooo good, now kd is the problem, because he "looks" unhappy and does not talk to his coach. i am pretty sure kd always looks the same and doesnt talk much.

Yall should’ve looked at the Lakers as a precursor to building superteams. 2004 and 2013 specifically. Just because you put a bunch of big names together doesn’t guarantee you a chip. You need the rest of the team to carry our role player expectations to a championship pedigree. The Suns had their big three but did not have a complete basketball team.

suns problem is that their big 3 are all wing players that don't defend.

Big 3 could still work, but they can't overlap. 1 guard, 1 forward, and a center. Look at how many teams are failing with 2 star guards rn

The best thing you can have on your team right now is durable consistent players. More than half the league is injury prone players.

Of course a 'big three' team can work and work very well. But for it to sustain itself to live up to the expectations they need to start in their prime; at least the last 2-3 years of it. In Boston, all 3 guys were 30-32 before they were brought together, which is different than in Miami w/ James/Wade/Bosh. Boston likely makes 3 straight finals w/ a healthy Garnett in '09. But imagine if they joined up when they were all around 26-29 like Miami? They may have made 4 finals. Those guys had great chemistry, which is also necessary.

@carloconopio6513

18 күн бұрын

Big 3 still works today’s. How? First the big 3’s must in there prime . Second lower the ego Third no same position Fourth a additional good role player. Last dont change roaster they must perfect there chemistry exmple denver.

Just wait till the dynamic duo era is over.

Of course Molly derails the conversation with something unrelated that's completely wrong

The issue with this big 3 is normally, REALLY good role players will come and play for a minimum. No one came to sign up and help this big 3. Can't win with 3-5 players, need a bench.

Lex stop looking a5 houses in Phoenix 😂😂😂😂😂😂

The only thing KD can do to save his legacy is rejoin Steph. Become known as the greatest duo ever. Win 1 or 2 more together

You need rebounds assists blocks and steals not just scoring

The league needs to bring back true points guards to set up and offense

That's true, you only need two superstars and good support players or one superstar and a star. Three SSs take up too much oxygen in terms of depleting the salary structure which makes it hard to get good support players. Also, superstars like the ones on the Clippers where you have them in the same position Kawai and George don't make sense, as their failures demonstrate.

Bruh it’s been known since the Raptors chip in 2019. It’s all about a Superstar, a star and some good pieces around them. Or at least 2 superstars and great pieces around them. Lakers, Bucks, Warriors, Nuggets all the similar cases. Superteams are not dead, they just have a different shape and meaning.

“ that is a 2015 thought “ bingo

They don’t ever let Windy get his full thought out and Molly just cutting everybody off in general

These days, it seems like intelligent roster construction and team culture are more important than amassing star players. It's exactly how it should be.

I agree

Huge mistake by mangement trading Ayton & Bridges. Trading draft picks with finals experience and under 25. This what happens when management listens to media too much

People forget that Defense is still essential

The concept of the "Big 3" was largely a media creation, designed to counter criticisms of LeBron James forming superteams in Miami and Cleveland with three 25+ PPG max players. This narrative suggested that a Big 3 was necessary to win championships. However, even within those teams, players like Kevin Love and Chris Bosh often had to take a back seat due to the limited number of scoring opportunities in a game. In reality, only a few true Big 3 teams have won titles, such as the Boston Celtics, Miami Heat, and Cleveland Cavaliers. While the media tried to include Golden State in this category, knowledgeable basketball fans recognize that neither Draymond Green nor Klay Thompson could single-handedly carry a team to anywhere besides the lottery.

Also misused apostrophes! 😄

The issue is this isn't even a big three. Beal isn't a top 30 player. He's closer to 70 than 30. The rest of the issue is the Gm who build the roster around them

Literally when they brought in Tobias Harris they said that this was a PG-lite, and he would shine and be perfect in Philly. PG is now 35 years old. He isn't getting any better, faster, or stronger. This would be an absolutely horrible move for Philly.

In the current NBA you need 2 Superstars and very good players to be successful at their role

2 shooting guards was never a good idea

That’s simply too broad of a statement. It depends what contracts they are on. If you drafted two or three of them and they’re still young, that makes it much more possible. But if they came in free agency or blockbuster trades with giant contracts, you’re going to have a depth problem. Also helps if they hit superstardom *after* their most recent contract eg SGA and Brunson.

There is a great number of good players these days so putting most of your cap in three guys doesn’t make sense anymore. A deeper team with chemistry or money ball type tactic will work better.

When is everyone going to realize point guards dont work, anymore everyone plays 5 out iso ball

It's always been about TEAM COMPOSITION, Bridges was a good fit next to booker because he played good defence. Suns went all offense but then hired a defensive coach, just dumb decisions all around.

Phoenix should trade booker and jusuf for AD and Reeves. Phoenix fixes their defensive issues and the lakers solve their scoring problem.

That and the Suns gave an example of how not to build a team let alone a super team. They're still big 3s its done differently.

You can definitely have a big three but the skills have to complement each other and not be redundant. Also, at least one of the big three will have to take a small pay cut

The NBA is making a major mistake by leaving Warner (TNT ) for NBC, inside the NBA makes boring unwatchable games tolerable.

@mazengwe28

18 күн бұрын

And they won't have Marv Albert. His signature voice made NBA on NBC during it's run.

You need to cultivate teams. That's it. no more cheating the process.

Wow Shannon picked em to win a title but now he never saw them winning a chip lmfao

I can name few players who are tired of playing basketball & just there because of the Big salay. KD, AD, Bradly Beal, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi,

@SPACEKNOCKERZ76

19 күн бұрын

lol Kd and butler are hoopers. idk about the rest.

@xgthemerciless4527

19 күн бұрын

Jimmy Butler? What are you talking about?

@sammycaldwell3047

18 күн бұрын

Ben Simmons

KD probably gonna ask for a trade to Mavericks in 2025 😂

Oh yeah? Having three really good players is out, now? Another classic ESPN take, hard to believe they give this kind of wisdom away for free.

Big 3 works if 2 of those guys can play good defense.

The BIG One era is in, one that make their teammates better into the formidable 5. The Jokic and SGA era is in. Brunson also if he ups his assists.

*MJ on the GOAT debate in the press conference immediately after winning 70 games in 1996* "No. I think that's something that I really can't say can be established," Jordan said. "Each of us played in different eras, with different teams, with different levels of success, and to compare all of them and say one's better than the next is an unfair justice to the art or to the artists. You know, being that Magic Johnson, Wilt Chamberlain, and all the guys before me were the artists of this game of basketball, and we've all learned from them, and we've improved the picture to a certain extent and to say that one improvement is better than all of it? It's an unfair assessment."

He back in the same spot he ran from 🎯

These GMs and owners think you can just put these big name starts and assume it will work.

@razkable

18 күн бұрын

They have to buy in like the warriors and heat did..otherwise it fails...

Why pay big bucks for old post prime players instead build a solid young starter and bench