I have, in storage with my father back in N. Ireland, a .22 Webly Patriot. It is an FAC air rifle rated at 32ft/lb. It broke 2 stocks, snapped 8 forward mounting screws and shook the crosshairs out of 4 scopes in the first 10 years. Absolutely no regrets. None whatsoever. Still love it.

@bigdansairguns83

7 ай бұрын

Haha my god Ryan that one was an animal! This one thankfully is a bit more tame than that. You still just can't help but love them though.

I love the old webley proper gun. Bazz is a top man he has helped me out so much . Nice one Dan

I had a Webley tracker deluxe and it was beautiful and shot like a dream dropping rabbits at 60 yards

I'm 50 and I still love the spring rifles. That glossy stock takes me back to the 80s. Great days. Thanks buddy great vid. Subscribed. Ps always remember webleys were great in the 80s.

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Brendan! They're fantastic aren't they? Many say that Weihrauch were the kings of the 80's till now but the more I shoot the older Webleys (and modern Cometa's) the less I'm agreeing with them. My Eclipse and Exocet would put up an amazing fight against any HW.

It still beautiful very good hitting power as well dan you are very lucky to shoot this air rifle

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hey George! I love it mate. It's an absolutely beautiful bit of British history and my god the power! I've really got to keep working but I keep trying to find time to shoot it again.

I own a beeman Kodiak 25 caliber air rifle the same Rifle as your patriot with a beeman ss22 japan optics 4x short scope and I love it ! Purchased it years ago in the late eighties from 10 ring air rifle shop now out of business and still can’t believe it is still accurate and original with no modifications ! It is a sledgehammer at pest game up to 50 yards ! Will never sell it ! Mine still works and looks like new !

@hauk65000

7 ай бұрын

Very agree. An enormous and thoroughly solid construction. You are certainly one of the lucky ones to have a genuine, thoroughbred Patriot, made in England. The copies that are made in Turkey now are not even half as good quality!

Looks like a real rifle and handles like one. Superb workmanship with quality materials. Shot one here in the States. Dominated everything else on the range for sheer power, this was in early 90's. The heft and power gives you a superior feeling. Good review, Dan.

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Scott! 100%, it actually feels like a proper rifle doesn't it? No rattles or squeaks at all and it feels like it'd go on forever.

I bought one of these about 1995. Still have. It's a heavy large gun! Mine is immaculate. Always preferred my R1 but it works well on grouse

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

It's a big loveable brute isn't it Doug?

Brings back some good memories Dan. Back in the day my mate had the exact same gun while I had the Theoben Eliminator in .22. Endless debates and arguments. Best wishes from Northern Ireland.

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Derek! I've heard those Eliminators were brutes! Around 30'ish ft-lbs weren't they? I'd love to shoot one.

@derektodd4126

Жыл бұрын

@Big Dan's Airguns That's right about power, but huge difference in rice.

Great review as usual. I managed to get a 30lbs, . 25 Patriot just before Covid and spent many hours with it, takes a lot of practice to get results but totally awesome fun. Best bit is when you shoot any other gun after, whether air rifle, 22lr or even full bore, they seem so easy. 100% quality.

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hi Michael! 30ft-lbs now that one is an animal! You can't help but love it can you? It'll kick your backside if you don't treat it right and yet I keep going back to it.

@michaelerskine9075

Жыл бұрын

Nice one Dan, I was thought I was the only Patriot fan in the UK.

MAAAANNNN! What a beauty!!! Loved this video and it took me back in time to when I dreamed of one as well.

Aah, nice to see that rifle again. I owned it for a couple of years before selling it to Baz to free my ticket up. Great review and what you say is right, you do need a firmer grip on the forend to keep accuracy. Heavy,yes and a bit cumbersome but proper build quality of yester year. Glad you love it.

That Webley is a beast! I love it.

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

It's an incredibly loveable brute it must be said!

What a Beauty and Beast at the same time.

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

I hope you're talking about me Kanten. 😉😆

@kantenklaus9753

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdansairguns83 I will leave that open. lol

Great review as we have come to expect from yourself sir. Looks to be a heavy old bundhook but as you say well made and nice looking. Thanks for your hard work in doing a review of one of your wish list guns from the past. A great way to vary your channel moving from top of the range to budget to blasts from the past historic guns. Great video again thanks Dan.

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Kev! I want to get my Exocet reviewed as well if I can as that's another classic British rifle that's far better than people give it credit for. I'd like to look at CO2 as well.

I have one and its super accurate , it is violent to fire though and has broken the trigger and the safety in my use, finish is superb, mine is .22 and weighs a ton compared to any other air rifle I've seen, its also massive! the trigger is really controllable and easily adjusted although the use of puter or pot metal for the trigger and safety have let this gun down, other than that and the glued on barrel weight moderator attachment, they are very nice indeed and I don't regret having it.

Great review

I'd always wondered how the Patriot would perform and as you've shown, it does it bloody well .

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hi Iwan! There's nothing wrong with the old Patriot. It shoots very very well once you learn not to treat it like a sub 12 rifle. It'll buck a bit if you artillery hold it but with a firm hold it's a fast recoil but you can practically keep the target in view during the recoil cycle.. not bad for a 27ft-lbs springer!!

I love the old Webleys. I fancied the Omega back in the 80's but bought a Weirhauch 77 instead & loved it. I did get to shoot an Omega though & it was lovely . That Patriot though is a bloody sledge hammer & I'd love to spend an hour or two smashing things with it. Lol.

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

To be fair Derek with how it's made you could literally smash things with the Webley, no pellets required. The HW77 is an amazing rifle no doubt about it. The uncle's Zephyr tuned rifle shoots like an absolute dream. That said I'd love to shoot that Omega too.

@TheFoxio

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdansairguns83 My 77 was a Zephyr tuned full length model from the Airgun centre & it did shoot like a dream. I was young & fit enough to carry it through fields stalking rabbits for hours back then as well. I need something lighter these days so I'm shooting a 99s. lol 😂

Definitely a thing of beauty..great vid as always … back in the day I would have chosen the patriot 👍🏻

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Thanks John! I love it mate, it's possibly tied for my favourite airgun ever made. The build on it is ridiculous and the finish is second to none.

@johngriffiths3309

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdansairguns83 all old weblys are good guns well built and quality … not 💯 percent sure on a lot of the new ones 👍🏻

Great video and what a beautiful gun Dan 👍🏻

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Simon! It really is a fantastic looking thing. I know I've upset people in the past by saying stuff like this but I genuinely think Webley made prettier rifles than Weihrauch.

@simontanner

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdansairguns83 couldn’t agree more Dan

i had one bought it new a fac .25 (the best caliber for the patriot), used the same orignal pellets 35 grain as in the shin sun career 707,it was very accurat with it . sold it , thought get a new one , but they where no longer made .got then a hw 90 fac theoben ,and this was a smoother and as accurat gun , i stil have it . like springers , the strongest i got is a hatsan carnivore .30.(magnum patriot you could say) but i do not go for energy output anymore, thats where a pcp is king

Had a Brum made Stingray .22,it had snapped at the pistol grip,it was in the £50 quid rfd bin as it was carbine I bought it. Couldnt hit a thing on the range felt like the spring had snapped really low recoil. Put 2 opposing wood screws in it and it started to perform at 10m,took the stock off to perform spring surgery and it had a gas ram in it. Put it ovee the chrono an it was on 11.9 ftlb with jsb heavy 18g 11.6 with 16g and it was as accurate as the ultra I had at the time. Beautiful finish,better than the weihrauch and I think the trigger was equal. That Patriot though what a beast,great review

I'd love to have that rifle. Great power and awesome bluing.

Glad you enjoyed that old Patriot, I was with Ben Taylor years ago, the Eliminators could go a bit higher than Patriot but it was too much I had a Dual Magnum too later on, Ben gave me it, nice at 26ftlb but bloody awful at 38ftlb lol, good video mate

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

The man himself! Baz you've elevated yourself to god status for sending me this. That dual magnum would be an incredibly rare rifle if you still had it mate and what a lovely looking thing too.

@bernardvanderveen7656

7 ай бұрын

Dual mag is now a uniq air rifle, im happy to getting a elimantor

Beautiful rifle. Such a shame webley don’t make stuff like this anymore.

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. To be fair they do make a Patriot but I haven't heard much.. I think they're still made in Turkey and I doubt they have the same beautiful finish as this.

no Tractors were harmed in the making of the program......

Thanks Dan for the trip down memory lane. Any chance of more of the same?

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! I love reviewing the older gear and I've got an Exocet that has to be reviewed. I'd love to get my mitts on a Meteor too.

I have a .177 omega which is basically the forerunner to the patriot in looks and function/trigger but is sub 12 designed with a barrel lock, the trigger is so nice I've adjusted it so the second stage breaks with so little effort its amazing.

@ps1834

Жыл бұрын

I have a 177 omega and the trigger is hard, no 1st stage ,you just keep squeezing till it goes off, how did you adjust yours?

@roberttaylor6075

Жыл бұрын

​@PS there's definitely something wrong with it, mines smooth and has first stage and an easy let off.

@FrostiTheRoadman

Жыл бұрын

@PS there's a screw through the trigger blade, if its only single stage turn the screw clockwise to get a second stage, also when they first came out they had a bad trigger blade that was thick and nickel plated mine had this and it wasn't nice I sourced the later blade and all was good.

@ps1834

Жыл бұрын

@matthew walsworth mine isn't the shiny trigger blade,it's getting a tune at LSD at the moment when it's back i will turn the screw like you said cheers 👌

@FrostiTheRoadman

Жыл бұрын

@PS nice I hope it turns out bang on.

Nice review Dan!,This is the Real British made Churchill tank of a gun! used as a hunting Rifle if the pellet don't dispatch it first time you need glasses lol

Oooooofda, what a hammer. Perhaps it is a great option for a back door pester (to easily handle many critters known for raiding the trash). .25 in a magnum springer seems like a fun option, and I'm looking forward to taking delivery of the .25 fenix 400 I recently ordered. I have a .22 currently that gets 15-16 ft pounds (at 5,000 foot elevation, which I believe knocks off 15%-20% vs sea level). So I am expecting maybe 16-18 ft/lbs in .25 and hopefully a nice, smooth, accurate shooter. I'm glad you mainly stick with the springers, they are definitely not going out of style anytime soon. Cheers

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hey Mguffan! It's a cannon is what it is, a really accurate cannon admittedly but if you put wheels on it you could use it as a howitzer! Just kidding. That Fenix will be a cracking rifle don't worry about that. Just bear in mind the triggers out of the box can be a little creepy on the second stage, having a play with the adjustment screw behind the trigger will tune that right out of it.

Patriot is a mix of other older guns eclipse, omega, and the.... 25 is a cracking cal but my 80,25 will out run it😁👍love the old springers and as for the cylinder on the patriot shares the eclipse piston which is 28 like the HW80.... As for accuracy my 80 loves HandN... Excellent review mate

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hey Stephen! Blasphemy! Ze German could never be on the same level as the almighty Webley! What with its poor construction and pooey ol' Rekord unit. Who'd want that nasty trigger anyways? 😉 I bet that 80 is a fantastic rifle, it's my favourite break barrel Weihrauch has ever made. It knocks spots off the HW95 in my opinion.

A rifle i have wanted for ages did find an american company that did a 25 ftp gas ram for this say no more.have a good weekend sir ps the germans send there regards

I love the .25 in an air rifle. I own the Hatsan mod 95 in .25, Hatsan mod 105x Underlever .25 and the beast mod 125 THC ,25. they are 22FPE ,25FPE and 34FPE

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with Hatsan springers. Lovely bits of kit and not stupidly priced neither. How are they when it comes to recoil etc and weight?

@injairgun

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdansairguns83 The mod 95(22FPE) is a dream to shoot, the 105X Torpedo Underlever is also great to shoot but the 125THC at 34FPE is a pain to cock at 51 pounds but it delivers the power!

Got a .22 last year in mint condition, you ar right, the blueing is exeptionel, only my tx200 and walther LGU have this kind of blueing, its like a layer of enamel

Hi dan. I think you should try and do the balance test when the rifle is cocket. The weight of te piston and compressed spring will shift to the back and change the balance point. Grtz. Love your reviews

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hey EB! That's a really interesting point. I'll have to try that next time I shoot the old girl.

Lovely gun brings back memories from over forty years ago, I only wish that I had kept all of my air guns from "back in the day" what is the actual weight Dan 8 1/2 lbs at a guess!

Love the uk made ones, im own .22 soon uk fac. Qualty same as mine theoben eliminator the barrel lock is so good

@bigdansairguns83

7 ай бұрын

Hi Bernard. I think the Patriot is possibly the most underrated FAC rifle on the planet. Some say the triggers are heavy and it kicks like a mule but this one was the complete and utter opposite. That Eliminator is an excellent rifle too!

The Battle Scars are a beautiful. 👍

Marmite! Always thought this was Webley trying to match the HW 80 in some sort of way, love webleys don't get me wrong the mutts nutts when I was a kid but I recon the swan song has sang? ! Another great vid Dan thanks for you time!

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hey Kevin! I think the Omega was the counter to the HW80 at least in sub 12 guise. The Patriot I believe had even more muscle than the HW80 back in the day. Like I said it's a sledgehammer. I'd love to compare an 80 vs an Omega, I just need to keep my Webley fanboyism at bay. 😆

@kevingingell4493

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdansairguns83 Webley Vs weirach right down through the range??? Hel of a video that mate! Hel of a series of videos to be fair!!!

I wonder if the front being a touch heavy is keeping that recoil down? Love the length of the barrel and it is proper for the power this gun is putting out. Nice rifle! If memory serves me…that is the same performance that a CB .22 rimfire round puts out or very very close to it.👍

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hi Heath! That's my thought process, a common "complaint" about the Patriot is that it's too nose heavy and heavy in general. What people miss is that if it were lighter it'd be absolutely awful to shoot due to the recoil. This one is actually pretty tame once you learn to actually grip it a tad. It's a beast but a loveable beast!

Beeman marketed it as the "Crow Magnum" i bought one in the early 90s...very powerful...about 30 ft pounds.

@dougking5703

Жыл бұрын

Actually the Crow Magnum was the Theoben Eliminator. Beeman marketed the Patriot as the Kodiak

Great video Dan as always mate, that is one hell of beast rifle, and you could tell ya luved every second using it Cheers, oh will you be doing a review of rainson sky , ??? 👌👌👌👍👍👍👍

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hey Casper! I do indeed as soon as it lands. I was grinning like a man child throughout the entire video mate I've never shot an airgun that felt so ridiculously solid and powerful feeling as that. It's a proper mans rifle.

@casperboo5465

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdansairguns83 Great to hear mate, yea we are like kids in a sweet shop lmao, look forward to more, have a good easter weekend mate cheers

Hi Dan great video mate what a cracking rifle, proper Webley quality at its best. Seeing as you’re going to do a kral test can you throw a .22 mortal in the mix?, cheers Dan.👍🇬🇧

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hey Steve! Absolutely mate I plan on getting the Mortal tested.

I had a few webleys, a Vulcan when I was kid then a tracker and I thought they were great right up until I bought a weihrauch and from that day forward I thought they were poor quality and never looked at them ever again! But looking back I had hours of fun with them

@bigdansairguns83

6 ай бұрын

Hi Paul! I haven't shot a Vulcan yet but you need to try an Exocet and an Eclipse. The HW77 was an absolute game changer when it came out but the Exocet, Eclipse and the Omega especially where fantastic rifles and on par the HW down range. I'd even argue that the finish is far better on the Webleys.

@pauldodds8312

6 ай бұрын

@@bigdansairguns83 my dad had an eclipse back around the same time but it was actually the hw77 that I upgraded to and I found the quality difference to be night and day.. the trigger the blueing the action it seemed to be the age old English vs German engineering and sadly us brits just do not produce the same quality especially when you take them apart you can really see the difference but there was a price difference. That said I do have fond memories of the hours of fun shooting my old webleys

my only comment that cheeky little chuckle when the can jumped , you are a man CHILD

Webley & Scott Is the Best aire rifle from englandyou know 😊😊 yes he Is an Green Beretta soldier 😊😊

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

I love them Alfonso, they've got so much character and shoot so well.

if you wanted to get smoother take it sunwell Field Sports and get a tune in done on it it'd be like a PCP when it comes back

Nice review bud, might send you my mark 1 Tx200 to review if you fancy it mate 👍

@notmodeling8070

Жыл бұрын

The barrels only lasted for,about three years on the mk 1 they had a standard barrel on.

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hey Justin! I definitely wouldn't say no to that once I've got my backlog cleared that's a wonderful offer. Cheers Justin!

It's one of the rifles that you WILL regret if you ever sell yours.

@bigdansairguns83

11 ай бұрын

It's not mine to sell but when the time does come to send her back I'll miss it... it's a proper man's rifle!!

Webley listen to Dan he knows what he's on about!! Bring a sub 12 Patriot out for the masses. And a Webley Omega for me aswell 😁

Like yourself, I love springers and this was a really nice one to review. I rather like some of the old tap loaders, but you don't see many like that anymore. I'm realising lately that pcp's are very much dominating the market and virtually every time I see one being used, it's from a rest and the shooter doesn't seem to get anywhere near the experience of firing a springer. They seem boring and expensive to me. I'm being tempted by an HW 57 lately, but I'm a bit put off by the twang. Any thought on those?

@mucy2807

Жыл бұрын

TBT drop in kit?

Nice rifle

Beast

Let's hope that when you used to look at the webly poster on your bedroom wall, your pants were still up... Then there's nothing to worry about :)

Sandwell Field Sports what are the best gun tuners in the country definitely up there with the top three

yea'you're right

I like the bullpen pcp guns but the Webley gun looks like a rifle should, handles like a rifle should and shoots like a rifle should. Class and power together.

how's the accuracy with the lead free at the greater distances, Dan?

Hi Dan. I've been gifted a Webley stingray British version in ok condition whatsyour thoughts on these as can't find much about them. Thanks Steve.

It does ooze qualify

Dan a birmingham patriot in .177 for sale at holts £90. that will probably need it's neck winding in a bit they come up regular at that price, I would not pay more. There was a bloke in the states tunning them to a useable 38 ftp, according to him shot better than standard you would need to suck it to see.There are a couple of vids he put out.

ps can i get you to tune my triggers before collection. cheers fella

As you said you would like a 12ft/lb Patriot, they existed and are around, the Omega. I have owned both, but swapped the Patriot for a Theoben Eliminator as the build quality is equal plus the power is easily adjustable to suit conditions .

Cuantos joules de potencia da ! La patriot!! Está más potente que la Cometa????

Have you ever fired a Theoben Eliminator ?

Its been re blued at some point tnats anfact anwonder what makes this 25 ft lbs as its the same size as the standard sub 12ft lbs so,what makes this that high power spring ? Its nkt just a casemof sticking a fac spring in i still cant see how they get them so high ?

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hey bud! She hasn't been reblued, Webley have always made beautiful bluing and my Eclipse which is roughly the same vintage is the exact same. It's a shame they don't finish airguns like this any more. It's probably a combination of a heavy piston, strong spring and an open transfer port.

@notmodeling8070

Жыл бұрын

Sound about right then for,spring and piston ,i often get asked to over power air riffles,which i never do has have said for years a well,placed shot at 45/50yrds with a sub 12 dt lbs will kill most game any thing bigger than a rabbit even at this range i have no probs with a 97k .22 running at 11.2 ft lbs with a 16gn pellet knocks most things flat i even shot ducks with that 97k at 60 yards with ease im looking at a pcp atm still dont like them tjo but youve about sold me one you tested my brother says am mad not to try one but he shoots a old and new tx200 like it was built for him

Foot/pound not 'feet/pound'. You are getting muzzle velocity confused with kinetic energy. Actually the rifle didn't sound too twangy but these were known to respond well to wee bit of judicious tuning or even gas piston conversion.

Hi it is any sense to make review to Artimis p35 ? Thenk you all the best

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hi Rar! I'll give it a look my man thanks ever so much for the suggestion.

How mutch this unit sir .?

Your not wrong about quality on the webleys i have the omega carbine 177 Sandwell tuned its my favourite gun i have . over engineered that's why the word is they lost money on every airgun that went through the factory door. That could be true probably why they have gone bloody shame

How mutch in Riyal ..??

Shot one 20.yrs ago, not worth putting on a ticket.

Nice rifle, needs a bit of ❤ , 😁🤣👍

The automatic safety would be so much better if it wasn't automatic.....like a BSA

Oooo nothing but audio, is this a podcast?

I like to buy f nice price sir ..!!

webleys long gon that's why it's no longer made in Birmingham pretty sure it's all Chinese importner with their name on it I did have a place here because it's only place you can get the s16 serviced

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hey Thomas! Modern Webleys are made in Turkey I believe. I haven't shot one but I'd love to have a go at a modern Patriot or Stingray.

god - I was getting light headed waiting for this guy to stop talking long enough to take a breath

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

FranklyI'dliketoknowwhatmakesyousaythatconsideringIspeakatanormalpacedon'tbejealousbecauseispeakmoregooderthanyou. Sorry couldn't resist. 😉

This thing kicks like a mule.

There's one in my local rfd love one but need a fac

@bigdansairguns83

Жыл бұрын

Hi Ashley! You're the same as me, as soon as you see it you can't help but want to get one.

@Theshropshireratter

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdansairguns83 thanks keep up great work long time viewer and fan

Doesn't seem like a good idea to have the swivel on the barrel

Dangerous to meet your heroes.

HW95ish i think.

Nice vid Dan. What you think to the Hatsan Carnivore .30 springer. FAC. Could you do a review an 1 of those. Just asking for a friend who shoots paper @10 meters

Needs tune and cleen