Caravanserai…Is a true Musical Masterpiece … from beginning to finish! It’s a dream!!

Great history! I was at the Sunshine Festival on January 1, 1972 (a Saturday). I and the friend I went with were 12 years old. Her mother had dropped us off at around 9:00 AM and was to return later in the afternoon. I remember people telling us to hurry and go up to the stage at the far end of the crater because Carlos Santana would be playing soon. (There was no mention of Buddy Miles.) That was around 1:00 PM. My friend and I made it to the front of the crowd and watched the local band that was playing. And then there was a pause. I remember "Yesterday" being played over the PA. Apparently, Carlos was late. We continued to wait. I was standing next to a guy with a million cameras strapped around his chest - I thought he was a photographer for a local newspaper but he probably was the photographer who took the shots that were included in the album. Finally, my friend and I had to leave because her mother was coming. I remember hearing the band start to play right as we were leaving the crater, walking through the tunnel that connects it to the main road (shown in one of the images you included in the video). It may have been around 5:00 PM. I was really sad to have missed that concert but I remember the day clearly. Keep up the great work!

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

2 ай бұрын

Oh that's a bummer Dianne you missed the show but at least you were at the actual site to feel the musical energy there. I found it to be a fascinating landscape and wish to visit one day. Thanks so much for watching!

❤❤ energy from a center of a * volcano*❤❤👏👏👏👌

I was 12 yrs old when I heard this album Been a Santana fan ever since

I've had this album since around 1978, listened to it hundreds of times......I was deeply into Band of Gypsys at the time, and one of the 1st things I noticed is, in Free Form Funkafied at around 15.00, Carlos plays a guitar break that is his rendition of the break Jimi plays in Message of Love at around 1.30.....it's pretty much identical.....amazing....

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

Ай бұрын

Now this is a great piece of information you've shared with us. I need to check it out as i've always been a huge fan of Free From and the Band of Gypsys 1970 album. Fantastic!! Thank you for watching, stay tuned for more!

JCM- I was in a band in the late 90's. We had a gig at the Berkeley Square in Berkeley with a local reggae group. We walked in while they were playing and I was immediately impressed at how great their percussionist was, with an assortment of drums and percussion. Well, it turned out be- none other then the great Mingo Lewis! I was floored. Backstage he was the life of the party, pacing around and joking. Well I was in for a surprise. We played with them again at a Reggae Festival in the Sierra foothills. I played bass with this group though I am primarily a melodic style guitarist 🎸. I went into a solo at one point, and who do I see and hear appear right next to me but Mingo! Apparently he dug my playing and couldn't resist joining in. It remains a highlight of my musical life. Another gig in Cotati CA saw Mingo, unannounced repeating his surprise jam session. I've never had a greater conformation of my guitar playing then this. Beautiful. Thanks Mingo for the musical brotherhood. Years later I went to Return to Forever in S.F. and Mingo was there looking for a ticket! Inside he disappeared later in their set and- appeared on stage with them! As you mentioned on the Caravanseri video Mingo had some wonderful years recording and performing with Al Di Meola, and even briefly with RTF. So he knew them and I don't know if it was planned or not, it seemed spontaneous, but they didn't miss a beat and enjoyed themselves. I thought you would enjoy this bit of music history my fellow devotee (!) Peace ✌️ ☮️ 🕊 love ❤️ 💖 and 🌎 music 🎶 🎵 🕉 🌟 🌈 🌩 ⚡️ Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Santana and so many others that have enriched our lives beyond measure.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for watching and sharing this amazing story. I'm glad that you lived it AS A MUSICIAN because it adds so much value to the experience right? Cheers for everything that music has given us, most of an invaluable price really!

Fun fact , me Pedro ( Pete ) Hilario, was born in Omaha Nebraska, also the hometown of Buddy miles ! Lol thank you for your hard work JCM !

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

That is a fun fact indeed, so you definitely have to listen to this album man hehe! Thank you very much for watching!

KZread has the show in Frankfurt that was a day or two after the June 30 1980 show. Carlos attended the Zep show and Page got up on-stage to jam w/Santana.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, i did a piece on this on my 1980 video Part 7 of The Making of In Through the Out Door. Killer show that was!

It's too bad they never filmed this, as far as I know. GREAT ALBUM, SMOKING!!!

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Yes, i wished there was video from this, just with the venue itself, it's worth! Thank you very much for watching!

Despite that it was re-recorded in the studio with "canned" audience applause, it's still a fantastic listen, especially on vinyl w really good speakers cracked. Coke Escovedo is the father to Sheila Escovedo aka Sheila E . Buddy Miles had a fairly decent solo career throughout the '70's however, Them Changes was his only big hit...his band was poppin' Live in person btw.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Just a small correction there, Sheila's father is Mr. Peter Escovedo. Coke is her uncle :) Thank you very much for watching!

@chasefreak

5 ай бұрын

@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories ah ok! sweet-Gracias!

I learned my electric guitar chops playing along to Abraxas note per note. I seen Santana in 78 and got front row!!🎉 thanks 🎉

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Very cool! You witnessed a great Santana lineup indeed! Inner Secrets is an album i like very much!

Buddy miles is underrated

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

As a drummer he absolutely is! Thank you very much for watching!

Awesome choice. I always revisit it on vacations hanging on Waikiki.

back in the late 80's early 90's you could see Buddy in Chicago clubs on a weekly basis. He had weekend gigs at Kingston Mines and BLUES on Halsted. Fascinating times.

At the time this recording was released, we had none information, so we listened to it ! As it is… I was a huge fan of this recording… since 1972… I have both Vinyl and Cd… (I admit Side 2, always has been a true favorite mesmerizing… close to Caravanserai! … Very well done and Emotional!

@Humb7757

5 ай бұрын

My comment is for …Live! Carlos Santana and Buddy Miles… Side 2…Funkafide… is an absolute Masterpiece jam! Imprinted in my mind forever

I bought this as a double album called Carlos Santana And Buddy Miles And Mahavishnu John Mclaughlin* - Live! / Love Devotion Surrender. One LP was Buddy and one LP was John. They do john coltrane a love supreme. Got it for 2 bucks in the basement of a record store in Cleveland in the 80s. Great episode as always!!!

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Hey Daniel, so cool to read you man! A 2pack album with LD&S wow, that's a VERY good deal. I sold my copy of Santana/McLaughlin like 15 years ago and still regret it...maybe i'll get one after these episodes. I'm doing a Led Zeppelin video for next week hopefully! Have a great week!

ha... was at this show at 6 years old...many incredible memories, mostly conga drum related! i do remember buddy, that look is something no one can forget. wish i was older hahaha

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for watching. Stay tuned for more!

WOW...your research and discovery is unmatched...thank you so much!

🌠good one JCM..good album..I have it ..& the other Santana albums u made video's about..I've seen him live a few times ..he/ &the band are great ...hope things r good your way

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Hey Greg, Thanks so much man. So cool you've seen Carlos many times. He has a great band! Have a great weekend!

@gregoryg3256

5 ай бұрын

@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Storiesyeah man ,u rock ..I've been busy in the middle of a move ..but I'll watch tomorrow ..I have that album hanging up on my wall ..great cover ..like houses of the holy ..thats on the wall also

I had "Santana&Buddy Miles" on Vinyl, this one and "Moonflower" are my favorite Santana Albums

Thanks bro and uncle Jose!

SO GOOD! Thanks for doing this, as well as the equally excellent 'Making of Santana III'. Those were the first ever albums I owned, I received 'III' on cassette as a birthday present not so many years after its release...in 1974 or so. Also 'Santana/Miles' a bit later and on vinyl. This was thanks to a cousin of mine who was a few years older than me and was responsible for getting me into the guitar and rock music. I always was fascinated by the Live album because it somehow never is discussed or listed in any Santana discussion. And even as a little boy, I heard something weird in the applause and it became clear later that is was looped and dubbed. Anyway, I agree that it's a killer album that should be better known. I will search it out on vinyl again. I think it was re-released on the audiophile 'Speakers Corner' label.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Your cousin certainly gave you two of the greatest musical gifts ever. So cool he gave you these in the order they were released. As you said this "Live" album is like Santana fans want to rewrite history and say it never happened haha. I need to get an audiophile of this and Caravanserai! Thank you very much for watching, stay tuned for more!

@andigisler

5 ай бұрын

@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Thanks! At the same time I also discovered Mahavishnu Orchestra's 'Birds Of Fire' and Miles Davis' 'In a silent way' - realizing that a guitar player named John Mc Laughlin performed on both albums. I was really lucky to hear those albums at a very young age. Hearing Santana 'III' on cassette, there were no musicians credited. I didn't even know that Neal Schon was on second guitar till much later. I also distinctly remembered that my cousin had a 'Welcome' tour poster hanging in in room, he'd been to the show from that tour in Zürich/Switzerland.

I found this cd without a cover someplace years ago, don’t remember where? I had never even heard of it, so was really excited to listen to it, being a fan of both of them already. I didn’t realize Schon was on it also having no liner notes, but I can hear it now. I really enjoy the album. A couple interesting personal notes, I live in a town in the San Francisco Bay Area, and saw Miles playing a theater downtown maybe 5 years before he passed away, it was an amazing show, he played drums, guitar and sang his heart out! ❤️ I’m a guitarist also, and I started talking to his guitarist between sets and after the show he invited me backstage where I briefly met Buddy while he was eating some ribs, he was very nice 😊 Another fun fact, I co host a blues jam in the same town currently and Mingo Lewis Jr. comes occasionally and jams on drums with us 🥁

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

That's great stuff, quite detailed in your description i can picture the scenes and situations for these rock and roll memories. Thank you very much for watching!

It took me a while to find this album. And I got it in '82 on vinyl for lets say $2. ❤

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Sweet deal, definitely worth getting! Thank you very much for watching!

I've got a copy...I've actually always enjoyed this record! And dig the 25 minute jazz funk side! Would like to hear the bootleg of the actual concert!

Senor JCM, your presentations never cease to entertain and inform. You strongly hinted at a 'Caravanserai' video forthcoming and I was anticipating that. Then I see the notification for "Santana/Miles Live' instead. Excellent curve ball, I didn't see it coming. Yes, apart from the cheesy crowd noises, this is a great album, although I have yet to give Free Form Funkafide a listen after all these years. To my ear, it sounds like young Neal burning down the house on 'Marbles'. I had a Peruvian coworker who held tickets to attend that Santana show in Peru. He said that someone from the Santana camp had urinated in public at the airport and that was the incident that ignited the already existing anti-Santana sentiment within the Peruvian government and military. I've heard Johnny Mac say on another KZread interview that his last name is like 'McLofflin". Correction: I just listened to 'Marbles/Lava'...I think Carlos takes the solo in Marbles and Neal solos in Lava.

One of my favorite all-time records. Magnificent.

Jose, with your almost encyclopedic knowledge (and an excellent mentor in your Uncle) there is one name that I may have missed, but have not heard you mention, Airto Moreira. I hear him in almost every one of Santana's songs. He seems to be stuck in my mind when I listen to Santana, but I hear so much of him in Santana's music. Just thought I would mention him to see if you had a similar felling on the matter. I am loving the direction that your going in! Everything you talk about I have some interest in and it never gets old and boring! I think I've heard all the Zeppelin stories a hundred times over the years, but your angle on things is giving it a fresh perspective that piques my interest with every new video! Airto was another guy that my Dad loved, he actually got me into him, so that's why I mention him! Keep em comin Jose!

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Hey man always a pleasure to read you! Oh man Airto is a legend. His discography is crazy Long! So he recorded with Santana for 1974's Borboletta so he is not there in the story yet but i will talk about him at some point for sure. Glad my points of view are positive and make you revisit these treasure albums! Stay tuned for Caravanserai.

Thanks for reminding me of this record I had when I was 13…. Just re bought the vinyl!

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

This is a strange album right? I see it at record fairs and most people dismiss it, a shame!

@stephenbudd3771

5 ай бұрын

Yes indeed but incredibly good. Will you do a video on Welcome ? My favourite album alongside Caravanserai and Borboletta …. Also you will enjoy this ! kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaem0JeRot26hs4.htmlsi=Z-0Ela-bfZ2H9o_m

Very impressive! It’s definitely a special album that needs some attention. It’s not one that I put on often. When going back to Santana’s early catalog and buying his albums on vinyl, it did deliver a bigger appreciation and enjoyment of the music. I think with you starting the focus off with the powerhouse of musicians, it made me look at the album differently. I actually stopped the video and put on the album. OK, it’s not a entirely a true live album, but it’s got the vibe and the musicianship of those cats really draws you in. I think with you making this video, it will not only make me occasionally put on this album, but it will make others put this album on more as well. That’s a very positive thing! By the way, the picture of your uncle is very cool! It’s great that he drew your attention to this album.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

It made me smile to know you played the album as you watched the video. The cast of musicians deserves a closer look, all of them great players indeed. My uncle was a key figure in my classic rock endeavors hehe, he is a wise and quiet man! The idea as you said with this video is to get the album in rotation for sure. The "live in the studio" parts are definitely there but i can tell you, stuff like Faith Interlude on the bootleg, does sound like a carbon copy of the final result except some Overdubs! Thank you very much for watching!

Love your Narrative brother!

"Free Form..." is mostly Neal Schon on guitar 🎸 I am sure. His screaming open wah-wah pedal is unmistakable (!) 🎉 So, many people see "Carlos Santana/ Buddy Miles" record while listening to probably 3/4 being Neal Schon on guitar. (!) Also, I've read that the record is a mixture as you say, of live and studio. Mainly the guitars were redone (!)

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

So i went back and listened to the bootelg from the show. I couldn't upload it here for some weird audio issue, but i can tell you the overdubs seem to be on guitars and percussion. But some of the drum tracks and all, were also redone. I agree with you that that mean wah wah is Neal, he really owned that stuff man. I love his playing!

Great work, JCM! Looking forward to Caravanserai. Will you do a Moonflower documentary too? 🤞

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

That's the plan! Working on it. This episode just had to happen so i could explore the transition properly into the Blue album! I just loved the shots from Diamond Head Crater, looks like a movie! Thank you very much for watching!

Hey Jose, hope you are well mate? Thanks for this, love buddy and the shorter style videos. Paul 😊

You have a good curating style and like that you are branching out, after the Led Zeppelin deep dive(s)! 👏

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! A Led Zeppelin deep dive will be premiered soon! Stay Tuned!

In 2022, CD Japan released a 50th anniversary of this album with 7 inch packaging and Quad format SACD. All albums up through Welcome have also been re-issued up to this point.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

I need to get this version! Now you made me lose my money man hahhahahahah

Hey I went and re bought a VG+ original vinyl after watching this wonderful video. I agree it’s a great album but I think the mix lets it down. It would be incredible to get the masters and do a new version. The performance is incredible but it would be really possible to do a significantly better mix (and to get rid of those dodgy crowd repeats at the same time !)

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

This is the best comment i've read. That this episode had a positive effect on you into buying a copy....MADE MY DAY. The mix gives me the impression of cleaning a window, you know the sound of windex is it? It has a polished sound but i think it lacks some low end. Kinda the same thing with Houses of the Holy, both orange looking covers, maybe there's an orange curse to mixes! hehe.

No conocía éste disco, voy a ver si lo encuentro aquí en KZread 😀

Hearing again in this vid, that; they were deported back to the US (from Lima) and their gear lost forever reminds me of another event by a band that I wouldn’t mind you covering Jose: Queen. Jim Beach their manager says in the Magic Years video: “…it’s a LITTLE hairy when some power introduces himself by saying he’s killed 206 people…” Queen were very successful in S. America but the same event applied to them in that their gear almost got confiscated too. They were one step ahead and loaded duplicate road cases with astroturfing and left it behind…thinking it was their precious gear. Smart move!

I bought this album in 73, it was strange, I was 16

Have you heard Giants? It's out of print and isnt on stream...but there is two or three cuts in KZread videos section that people uploaded!!!! A lot of similar personnel! Errico, Pantoja, Schon, Carlos, Catabello PLUS: HERBIE HANCOCK! Bass - Doug Rauch Bass [Fuzz] - Robert Vega* Congas - Victor Pantoja Drums, Synthesizer, Producer - Greg Errico Engineer [Recording Engineer] - Glen Kolotkin, Ken Hopkins Engineer [Recording Engineer], Remix - Chris Huston Executive Producer - Jerry Goldstein Guitar - Carlos Santana, Doug Rodriguez*, Neal Schon Harmonica - Lee Oskar Illustration, Design - Karen Carty Mastered By - Wally* Organ - Greg Rollie* Organ, Congas - Mike Carabello* Percussion - Chepito Areas*, Rico Reyes Piano - Herbie Hancock Piano, Vocals - Wendy Haas

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Wow who is this album by? Is it Luis Gasca"s solo record? I NEED TO HEAR THIS . Can you please share the link?

@Squirrelconga

5 ай бұрын

@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories kzread.info/dash/bejne/g2WbtM-tiKvLf6w.htmlsi=1Jt18Z4s4KRpLYh7 ⬆️ It was a project. Somewhat headed up by Errico(of Sly and the Family Stone). Wanting to funk-ify Santana

@Squirrelconga

5 ай бұрын

PS: there are some vinyl copies on eBay right now! Not sure if it was released on CD..

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Duuuuuuuuude! This is UN..FREAKING...BELIEVABLE. First time i see this but i did know about Sears, Schon & Errico from my Diamond Head Crater research so it makes sense Errico/Schon they recorded this album, but this is worth doing an episode of, i will make it happen. Whats your name so i can credit you for bringing it to my attention. Dude THANK YOU!

@goozergrafx

5 ай бұрын

Giants was cobbled together from the sessions for Michael Carabello's aborted solo album from a few years prior, plus additional newer material. It's a decent slab of latin-funk.

I have read that that they recorded everything in the studio, not just overdubbing. Think it sounds like that also.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

I think it's a mix, 50/50. I did a bar by bar comparison with the bootleg recording of the concert. And well, there's stuff in there and then some that didn't make the cut like their take on LAYLA. Thank you very much for watching!

Greg Errico shared to a mutual friend that his drums were not re-recorded, thus one can assume that side A was overdubbed. Side B is long jam, it had no connection to the unreleased material from the bootleg material. Coke Escovedo, Victor Pantoja, and Luis Gasca were part of the studio line up on Malo’s debut album. Escovedo, Pantoja, and Schon appeared on Azteca’s two albums, Escovedo was the leader. Hadley Caliman sat in on Caravanserai and later joined Malo. He was a Luis Gasca cohort. Gasca’s second solo album was recorded after the Santana’s III was finished, using Santana’s studio time. Santana’s manager is credited as executive producer for Luis Gasca’s solo album and Santana Buddy Miles Live album. Most likely Michael Carabello played on side B of the “Live” in the studio album. Mingo Lewis was not in this project.

@SD9xcp311x

5 ай бұрын

Azteca is awesome!

I used to not like this ⏺️ very much...but, ive grown to like it a lot!!! The tempos are more energenic! I tend to pull this one off the shelf quite often!

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Yeahhhh! Finding rock fans who like this album is like a secret society haha. Glad you've come to appreciate it. Thank you for watching this episode!

Wished that Sony would release the official recordings without the “audience” noise.

Ah, Big Black! I worked as an assistant engineer on a recording session with Big Black and Muruga Booker in the SFBA.

Neal Schon hated this album and disowned it. He said it was a mess.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

A mess it may be, but the solos are cooking, and he knows it! haha. Thank you very much for watching!

i got that lp.

Carlos queria sentir la presencia de Jimi...es por eso que invita a Buddy, para este concierto de fin de año....Buddy, ya habia grabado anteriormente con Jimi. En cuanto al estilo musical, Carlos, viajo a Hawai con Neal, y Mike...el resto de la Banda paso el fin de año en USA., entonces no era el mismo estilo...

This album was easily available on vinyl and CD in the UK in the late 80s when I started listening to Santana. I never liked it myself and it took some time to realise that it was due to the really loud and obviously overdubbed crowd noise. That whistle that has delay on it and crops up time and time again, obscuring the music, is extremely irritating. I will revisit it at some point to see if my opinion has changed, but I can't say that that is at the top of my to do list.

I believe JCM that you can pronounce "McLaughlin" as you please. I have always said it with soft ending, though I've heard that technically it is the "k" sound. People associated with him have said it as I do so, rest easy and relax.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

I will give it my best shot, i've heard Mc LOF LIN, MC Lok Lin, and MC Lof lun. Need to make up my mind haha. Thank you very much for watching!

On New Year’s Day of 1972, Carlos Santana & Buddy Miles gave a concert at the Diamond Head Crater in Oahu Hawaii and later that year Columbia released a live album. But in yet another classic late ’60s/early ’70s live album deception, this album is recorded entirely in the studio. This time the argument is heavily one-sided with lots of proof including a rare bootleg, as well as testimonies. First off, the other guitar player Neil Schon has stated in an interview that it’s recorded in the studio because several of the musicians were tripping on LSD and the recordings were not acceptable to Columbia, so Santana and Miles were forced to replicate the show in the studio with fake or canned applause. Several crew members have backed up the story with one saying that because of the heat there were several power outages to the recording truck during the show and the other saying that FM radios used for security kept bleeding into the soundtrack, creating an editing nightmare. Lastly, if you listen to the bootleg, it’s quite clear especially on “Marbles” that it’s nowhere near the same performance, and some songs on the Columbia album aren’t even on the bootleg, basically making this “case closed.”

when are going to make a documentary on lotus

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

That will happen, just gimme time cause i have other projects on the list, but trust me...i will talk about Lotus :)

That Audience applause/whistle sound loop quickly becomes annoying and makes this entire album pretty much unlistenable for me...and I've tried a number of times. Would be great if they could go back and remix/remaster this entire album and take it out.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Hahaha yeah the whistle stuff, you could even do a drinking contest with that. It bothers but the playing is so tight! A remaster with outtakes from the show would be great, because they even did LAYLA at the Actual show!

@user-fs1gd6iy1u

5 ай бұрын

These tracks were all recorded in the studio and I find it reprehensible that Carlos has never admitted the truth about this "Live" sham!! Carlos had a golden opportunity to clear the air about this abomination of a recording and crowd overdubbing disaster in his most recent biography but he continues to lie about it being a "live" album! That awful recording on KZread is the actual recording! Buddy Miles wouldn't keep his mouth shut and kept scatting his way through practically the whole stinkin' album! He did the same to A Band Of Gypsys! Carlos was out of his mind recording with Buddy Miles! I love Buddy's Drumming but he had a gigantic ego and couldn't just keep his mouth shut and play Drums! I despise those fucking crowd noises! I can't believe Carlos was idiotic enough to release this pile of crap!

@BIZARBIES

5 ай бұрын

​@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Have heard of Santana live album from 73? It's called *Lotus*

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Yes i have of course. The double set Lotus...it took me many years to digest. I have a personal opinion on that album. Maybe i will share it one day!

@user-fs1gd6iy1u

5 ай бұрын

@@BIZARBIES If you don't mind me jumping in. I'll never understand why Carlos couldn't just play the whole Caravanserai album and then play a few encores of old material. When the new Santana went on their 1972 American tour they first played a gig at the Keystone in Berkeley , California on September 12,1972, pre haircut Carlos, and they played "Eternal Caravan Of Reincarnation" and "Waves Within" and "La Fuente Del Ritmo". This performance is on KZread. They dropped all three tracks from the set! Unbelievable! They incorporated all these other instrumentals that had nothing to do with Caravanserai! They also played those old Santana hits. By the time 1973 and Lotus, Carlos' Guitar playing had become redundant.

First off i know it's not live but i don't care cause for me it's better than caravanseria,welcome and the horrendous lotus. A great album neal schon and buddy miles really shine,the rest of the musicians are great also. But the songs are what make this a masterpiece great great music, i agree the the canned in audience loop is distracting luckily it's not drowning out the whole songs

Caravanserai is my favorite. P.S. - My name isn't Ernie.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Not Ernie this is weird...maybe you have two users? I swear i saw your user say its Ernie. My bad man. Hehe. How you doin?

I still think them changes best version is on the band of gypsys album but other then that it’s still a great album

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Buddy Miles certainly wore that track a badge of honor, it has a VERY good riff! Thank you very much for watching!

What about Lotus live in Japan

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

It was technically their second live album with Moonflower their third. I will talk about Lotus soon :) Thanks for watching

@jesusgerman3352

5 ай бұрын

Santana Lotus came on right after your documentary. Video doesn't match the album but still cool to watch . Lotus is one of my favorite albums of all time. Appreciate your work@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

For starters, it's pronounced "Mac-Lauf-lin". I had a long comment on your Santana 3 documentary a couple of weeks ago. This is another great album by Carlos and company. Your statement about it not actually being the live recording kinda throws me a curve ball. I've always been annoyed by the audience's whistling and strange noises, but just assumed that was because it was recorded in a crater. I've read two books about Carlos, and never was it mentioned that this album was fabricated with overdubs. Yes, by the time of this recording, Santana was a pretty fractured band, and he, Neal Schon and some other members got together with Buddy Miles for this concert. Judging by the way the overall recording sounds, I don't see how you could actually overdub any instruments without changing the dynamics and overall "live" sound of the show. This is another album that I got as soon as it came out in '72. Side one is very good indeed, and the guitar work of Carlos and Neal is exceptional. Every track is powered by the infectious, powerful drumming of Buddy. The re-working of "Evil Ways" and "Them Changes" transforms them into straight ahead intense rockers! Couple that with "Lava", "Marbles", and "Faith Interlude", and you got yourself a damned fine "live" album. "Free Form Funkafide Filth" is really just an extended jam...it's O.K., but it doesn't really do much for me.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Tim like you i was shocked to read about the "live in the studio" theory. So i checked the bootleg, i was going to upload my analysis with that reference but got blocked out of copyright so.....i can tell you, for some tracks they seem to have recreated these in the studio at a faster tempo such as Marbles. Others like Faith Interlude sound like the actual show recording with OVERDUBS of trumpets, percussion here and there, etc. I am glad to know you appreciate this as much as i do. Free From is wild. Evil Ways sounds killer right? I spotted guitar solo re-recordings on SOME parts while using what seems to be the rhythm tracks from the show. So there you have it, it's a live album as a concept with studio add-ons. I also noticed the percussion overdubs like cowbell, timbales and the sax stuff, sounds brighter in the studio. Thank you very much for watching!

@timwhite5647

5 ай бұрын

@@JCM-LedZeppelin-StoriesWent back and listened to it again last night, and really cranked-up the volume to get the maximum effect. Since I have no proof that some of this was over-dubbed in a studio, I'll have to take your word for it...but in my mind, it's a straight ahead live recording. How interesting that "Evil Ways" has both a saxophone and trumpet solo on it? It was a strange time for the Santana band as Carlos wanted Carabello out, but the other members revolted against Carlos and he split the band for awhile. I also find it interesting that Neal played with Carlos on this album, seeing as how he went with the remaining members of the band on a tour without him. I see that you're going to review "Caravanserai" next, excellent, I'll be watching, but I'll state in advance that this album had a very strong musical effect on me, in fact it opened the door to my interest in jazz and progressive rock. Carry On, Good job on the Santana stuff!

@timwhite5647

5 ай бұрын

@@jeremydunn932 No, "Mac-lauf-lin. There is no "K" sound in "laughlin".

@timwhite5647

5 ай бұрын

@@jeremydunn932 Well, my friend we'll have to agree to disagree. I've been a Mahavishnu Orchestra fan for 50 years, I've always heard "Mac-lauf-lin." We actually have people in America with the same name: McLaughlin, but not pronounced "Mac-Lock-Lin".

@andigisler

5 ай бұрын

@@timwhite5647 Truth be told, so many 'classic' live albums are heavily overdubbed. The Stones 'Get yer Ya-Ya's Out' for example or The Who's 'Live At Leeds'. Though there are conflicting stories on it, Tony Visconti went on record saying Thin Lizzy's 'Live and Dangerous' was completely overdubbed/re-recorded in the studio except for maybe the drums. The funniest story is Stan Getz' 'Getz a Go-go' live album feat. Astrud Gilberto who was riding high on the success of 'Girl from Ipanema' at the time. Some people say that Gilberto wasn't even preset at the live date! And when listening to that album, it sounds that the vocals were probably overdubbed, if they were even there in the first place...

Studio remake of live material with audience dubs. The original live tapes weren't good enough to use...sometimes they show up and can be heard. The music is different.

Free form i believe was influenced by pharoah Sanders " the creator has a master plan", which whips into whirlwind of musical execution.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

4 ай бұрын

That is also an influence, absolutely. Sanders' works are vast and influenced an entire generation!

NO TIENE SUBTITULOS EN ESPAÑOL

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

4 ай бұрын

Es un proceso largo agregarle los subtítulos, es definitivamente un proyecto a futuro!

A guitar player friend of mine used to joke..."hey, do you have Buddy Miles Greatest hits?..Side one: Them Changes, Them Changes, Them Changes, Them Changes, Them Changes, side 2: Them Changes, Them Changes, Them Changes, Them Changes.

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Hahahahahah that's a good one, i mean how many versions can we have? Thank you very much for watching!

Here`s the real recording of the concert: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pZdmp8Sse5iblpM.html

@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

5 ай бұрын

Oh yes, this one is A MUST listen :)

You haven't changed my opinion that it's a severely unsatisfactory album. The editing and mixing would be problematic even if the fake crowd noise wasn't there. And the lead singer...even with some of his vocal excesses buried in the mix, Miles sounds like a parody of himself, or sounds like he's high on cocaine and not paying attention to the band (...well, it's either that or like he's having premonitions of Merci-era Magma). Guitars? Neil and Carlos were both into fuzzy timbres at the time, but it's obvious that Neil has the upper hand (plenty of recognisable phrases) - though obviously whenever you hear a "volcanic" run up the scale you know it's Carlos. No mention of the fact FFFF incorporates the lyrics of Leon Thomas's Um Um Um, which Leon sang onstage with the Santana band in 1973.

THIS IS NOT A LIVE ALBUM! I would be ashamed to be associated with this pile of crap! Is Carlos demented? He actually recorded another album with the obnoxious Buddy Miles in the 1980s! Buddy was a great Drummer! Check out the album ~ Devotion ~ By John McLaughlin No Buddy Miles obnoxious scatting! This is a Jazz/Rock masterpiece recorded and released in 1970. Santana used to perform "Marbles", which is in the album, live onstage in 1971! It was recorded in the studio for this crap of an album! Santana should have recorded "Marbles" for the Santana III album and dropped "Guajira"!