strike 3 - every serious conversation RFK has had, he has cited by name and date, studies that support his claims. you sirs have referenced no studies at any time during this discussion. I came here to find a counter argument to RFKs claims and what I found was weak sauce-

@marciasouthwick9748

11 ай бұрын

It's obvious that scientists have good reason to object to statements that are inaccurate, but has a top-notch scientist ever looked at the the peer reviewed studies and abstracts on his Defender site? There are about 300 in all. It would be very useful for someone or a group to debunk them one by one. That would truly end any disagreement. I don't think the public can understand without this background info--

@GreenTea3699

5 ай бұрын

There's a reason they attack RFK and not his books. His documentation is solid. Of course they would never debate him

RFK Jr.’s claim is that the placebo shouldn’t contain the adjuncts that need to be investigated for safety. This is a valid argument. You say those adjuncts are harmless but he is saying that needs to be controlled too, not just the active ingredient of the formula to be investigated.

@thetippingpoint172

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. We don't need a phd to understand this it is common sense which these pinheads apparently do not have.

@jimmybeans5879

Жыл бұрын

I think the issue with that is that it introduces a confounding variable. To test the effects of the vaccine itself, you must isolate the vaccine as the only difference between the treatment and control groups. This way you can be sure that it is the vaccine that is having a certain effect and not the adjuncts. To test the adjuncts safety, you could test them against water or saline, but you wouldn’t want to test the vaccine against water or saline.

@stez7199

Жыл бұрын

@jimmybeans5879 Much of the concern raised by RFK Jr. is in regard to the adjuncts present in the vaccines and not necessarily to the active ingredients themselves; he has even said in the recent Lex Fridman interview that he believes live-virus vaccines likely do offer more good than harm. Of course a placebo trial should account for all agents in the treatment, including preservatives or other adjuncts. Moreover, the fact that apparently no saline-placebo safety trials have been conducted before vaccine approval is all the more reason that they should be done, as how can one honestly claim to scientifically understand the effects of such a treatment without doing so?

@haroldbrown5308

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmybeans5879 It's better to use human beings as test tubes, isn't it? How about tell them first !

@haroldbrown5308

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmybeans5879 Use humans without telling them! After million had the vac, pull it from the market and receive millions of dollars from the taxpayers!

I read RFK JR. book no where did I see anything suggesting placebo can only be water or saline or whatever. What I did read in his book is the incredibly corrosive corporate influence on the decision and policy makers in this country now and in the past. Sadly I have to agree with him. I wonder if either of you have read his book? If so you should contact him and tell him where he got it wrong.

@Costa_Conn

Жыл бұрын

He talks about saline as a placebo in the Bro Rogan podcast. While he may have a point about corporate influence, the book is full of nonsense and misinformation. Mixing a little truth with a bunch of lies is a common ploy in the misinformation world.

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

rfk jr keeps lying. He is willfully misrepresenting. Because he said something true in the past is that reason for you to believe his lies today? No, it's not.

@glibsonoran

Жыл бұрын

It is sad that you agree with him.

@Sceince01

Жыл бұрын

So if he does not define placebo then why does he lie about vaccines not having placebo control trials when of course there have been for all vaccines since polio ? Really waiting to see how you respond ?

@jasonhechler9520

Жыл бұрын

Is this the same book where he talks about his beliefs that the HIV virus doesn't cause AIDS?

I tuned in to hear Offit on placebos. It consistently surprises me how Offit addresses this topic. Saying that the FDA defines a placebo as immunologically inert does not address the issue of stabilisers or adjuvants being safe. The placebos are set up to address efficacy, not safety. If you want to measure safety, saline makes more sense. It's a scientific question, and sneering at people asking is not going to cut it.

@MeganLeibovici

Жыл бұрын

It certainly sounds like thimerosal is nbd. As I have understood it, while it has a shorter half life, the actual metabolism of thimerosal is not clear (open to the studies on the metabolism of mercury. Amount in and amount out over a period of time). That it is in the earth's crust or in food is not equivalent to injected mercury. Or I have yet to understand why they are considered the same. Fwiw, the more I hear details (like measles is nbd) from RFK, I find it frustrating. But I have been convinced that aluminium and mercury in vaccines is still an open question and certainly has not been studied against a placebo such as saline.

@sammavitae114

Жыл бұрын

@@MeganLeibovici I am sure I have heard them say in this interview that there have been at least ten studies of ethyl mercury in vaccines that proved no harm. However methyl mercury as found in fish is not cleared by the body AND accumulates.

@sciencefliestothemoon2305

Жыл бұрын

@@MeganLeibovici so you want a trial that compares adjuvant only vs saline. That should be possible in a phase 1 and 2 trial.

@inforuimteschip5970

Жыл бұрын

@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 Should be posible, yet never been done. Its crazy, and just as crazy is these 2 guys scoffing and laughing like they don't understand they are lets say bending the truth.

@sciencefliestothemoon2305

Жыл бұрын

@@inforuimteschip5970 They lack the pov of the other side who asks the question. It is a bit ivory tower science. Not easy to be fair, cause the other side just simply doesn't speak science. So it is like the deaf talking to blind about painting

Its a little frustrating everyone who refutes RFK jr won't just sit down with him for a few hours and go through point by point. Instead we get these separate discussions we have to try to piecemeal together. Id be much more comfortable hearing both sides talk to one another rather than talk past one another. The big policy changes he wants to implement, i think, are far less dangerous than his critics admit, which makes their criticism appear to be in bad faith. The regulatory capture of the FDA is a real thing and if scientists were more willing to criticize and discuss it there wouldnt be nearly the oxygen in the room for an RFK jr.

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

He simply lies and his followers have a cult like devotion where the truth matters not. Debates serve no purpose in the face of factual science.

@eottoe2001

Жыл бұрын

Would you sit down and read or watch what science is saying and has been saying, and change your mind if it needed changing?

@alexdevcamp

Жыл бұрын

​@@Peter_S_disagree. You're just pushing them further into an echo chamber. You have to confront them publicly

@jludo

Жыл бұрын

@@Peter_S_ He's gaining steam and the strategy of ignore and ridicule appears ineffective. Someone in the scientific community 'debating' him seems warranted. As Offit himself pointed out, Ken Hamm and Bill Nye could sit down and 'debate' young earth creationism. Scientists owe it to anyone in the middle who might be swayed one way or another.

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

@@alexdevcamp Have you personally dealt with cult members? Serious question. I have; between 50-60. I understand what happens to the brains of people in cults. I've watched all stages of deprogramming and recovery as well. Debates serve no purpose other than to allow the charisma of the manipulator to continue to control his or her disciples. Go stand outside a church on Sunday and debate parishioners about religion. See how effective that is getting them to believe new systems. The problem is you're up against a belief system, not facts in the real world. Facts don't matter.

Why did they conveniently not address the study RFK mentioned about the monkeys having the mercury go straight to their brains. I'm open to persuasion, but this didn't address his point. If we aren't willing to debate him face-to-face, why are we conveniently leaving out the key moment in his statements? Another point - how did he misrepresent quotes and take them out of context? It's not ok to say he's wrong - show me where he is wrong. Also, if the stabilizers/preservatives are being questioned, why include them in a placebo? I've got so many questions that need to be answered in a two-way conversation. I've got a kid coming and I have no idea what to do. I'm open to persuasion either way, but calling him a knowing liar while conveniently omitting stuff has me leaning toward him currently. Just do a damn debate so I can see who's full of it.

@jludo

Жыл бұрын

Very well put. It feels like the important points we want adjudicated are being glossed over and the only way we'll get them addressed is if both parties sit across from one another for a conversation.

@grimtrigg3r

Жыл бұрын

You don't know what to do? Let me ask you a question, what are you hesitant about? What evidence, either first hand or otherwise, has you hesitant about vaccines?

@passyourielts

Жыл бұрын

@@grimtrigg3r Start with the Covid vaccine. First co-worker who got it broke out in a horrible skin condition that lasted several days. Then had a former friend acquaintance (father of 3) wiped out by myocarditis post Vax. Then 2 more had heart issues from my cricket club. Wife's friend died 2 hours after Sinovac... in her 20s. Wife's uncle was incapacitated for around 6 months immediately after Astrazenica. There were more, but you get the point. This was all described as safe and effective from people including this guy. Felt betrayed and lied to. Now I find out that manufacturers of kids Vaccines are not liable for any harms. It's an acknowledged fact that a vaccine can be harmful. The question is simply how often. The other question is can I trust the same people who gave us the covid jab. The RFK comes along and lays out a bunch of stuff (like the mercury study) which is accidentally forgotten in this conversation. This conversation also says the FDA says what a placebo is. The FDA approved oxyconting and viox, so that's somewhat alarming. For these reasons I need to see a debate on childhood Vaccines. No debate needed on the covid jab. That was obviously a crime.

@ivermec-tin666

Жыл бұрын

@passyourielts, there are books written about the CDC childhood vaccination schedule that will walk you through each one. You will have to inform yourself and make your own decisions.

@haroldbrown5308

Жыл бұрын

You are right--do the bebate!

If you're going to debate someone, its custom you have them as part of debate.

Paul, Vincent, You are wrong about Joe Rogan. He is not having people on just to be controversial. He is open to listening to argument. The best way to debunk what RFK is saying is to debate him on his podcast. YOU, Paul Offit, not Peter Hotez. Professor Hotez has been all over the place on the Covid vaccine and is really inarticulate. If you debated RFK on Joe Rogan, you would be treated with respect.

11:12 Believe RFK Jr is referring to a Meningitis vaccine trial at a US military camp in Kansas, conducted March 1918. There's a Reuters fact-check of the claim that this trial exacerbated the subsequent pandemic. Might go some way toward remedying vaccine-hesitancy if experts like Offit and Racaniello took the time to address the specific concerns of skeptics, and with less smugness.

@philipsmithnyc

Жыл бұрын

They do this because this is all they can do.

@traceymead1540

Жыл бұрын

Reuters has pharma on their board

@atwarwithdust

Жыл бұрын

@@timhansen5303 Sources cited were: Dr Donald Burke, epidemiologist at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health, Stephen Kissler, postdoctoral fellow of immunology and infectious diseases at Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, the Office of Medical History of the US Army Medical Department, Alex Navarro, assistant director at the Center for the History of Medicine of the University of Michigan, and 'The State of Science, Microbiology, and Vaccines Circa 1918' by John Eyler. If anyone has evidence of misquoting or fraud by one of the most respected wire services, very open to read that.

@frany4417

Жыл бұрын

Didn't RFk Jr. say they haven't done any studies on any vaccines. Then went on to talk about a study the cdc did on the chicken pox vaccine. 🤔

@ivermec-tin666

Жыл бұрын

@atwarwithdust, much has been learned about the Spanish Flu of 1918 in the last 5 years. Books have been written on the subject. Reuters is not a reliable source.

The arrogance to say laypeople cannot think for themselves is infuriating

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

All of rfk jr's audience have proven they have difficulty thinking for themselves. They would rather let the Kremlin think for them.

@peterhardie4151

Жыл бұрын

​@@Peter_S_😂😂😂. The Kremlin. I am guessing you believe the USA are arming Ukraine because they care about Democracy.

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

​@@peterhardie4151 Trial lawyer Mike Papantonio and Bobby Kennedy, Jr created the show 'Ring of Fire' on Russia Today's RT America. The history of 'Ring of Fire', also called 'RoF' is very easy to research. Kennedy worked for the Kremlin for over 10 years as a video producer at Ring of Fire.

@austinwoodall5423

Жыл бұрын

Saying you have science on your side doesn't give you a free pass to do or say whatever you want. Equating all vaccines to the smallpox vaccine or even the polio vaccine is ridiculous. The smallpox vaccine was field tested for 200 years before being mandated. And smallpox inoculation was tested for at least 200 years prior to that, things like intentionally exposing a person to a minimal viral load in the innoculum to maximize the chance of survival. 400 years of science before deciding the smallpox vaccine was safe and effective. Polio is another terrible disease primarily affecting children in cities. Even that was tested for 40 years before being brought to market. So for these "experts" to equate the Covid19 gene therapy with these vaccines by labeling the treatment a vaccine, is absolutely ludicrous. Covid19 is nowhere near as deadly as smallpox or polio, nowhere near as destructive. There has been a total of 35 years of research into mRNA technology and 99% of that research has deemed it unfit for human consumption. We are just beginning to see the negative effects of the "vaccine." The mRNA isn't metabolized properly because it isn't RNA. It travels far beyond the injection site due to inproperly administered injections. It's supposed to refrigerated at a specific temperature. What if your dose wasn't? How does the sample decay? How does that affect metabolites? We don't know anything about this "vaccine." But these jerks keep telling us to stop thinking and trust the science. It's infuriating. I hope Fauci is hanged in Nuremberg like the last people who ordered medical experiments run on millions of people without their consent. We fought an entire world war to conclude this would never happen again. How soon we forget.

@deborahfreedman333

Жыл бұрын

Lay people don't have the necessary expertise to understand the argument, let alone distinguish whether it is correct. The arrogance of lay people, to think they know more than actual experts, is what should infuriate you.

OFFIT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY MOST PEOPLE DO NOT TRUST THE MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT. SO, OFFIT, WHY NOT DEBATE RFK ??

@thetippingpoint172

Жыл бұрын

Offit strikes me as Fauci Jr.

One thing i noticed is they used this quote "If the law is on your side, argue the law. If the facts are on your side, argue the facts. If nothing is on your side, shoot the messenger." This whole podcast was just them "shooting the messenger," they just talked shit arout RFK Jr and cited almost no studies, barely mentioned any facts, and by the way the studies and facts they weakly mentioned have already been talked about by RFK Jr as problematic.

@GotWag

Жыл бұрын

💯

@kelseyzimmerman5352

Жыл бұрын

The argument that RFK made was that making the placebo all the toxic shit that’s in the vaccine defeats the purpose lol the virus itself isn’t the problem 🤦🏼‍♀️ they know it too lol you can see how blatant they are being. Slime balls🙄

@dangremillion

Жыл бұрын

They only had a few minutes. Sit at your computer, use Google Scholar and look up these issues for yourself.

@Sceince007

Жыл бұрын

They did mention facts , you can also use the links and read his substack where all the studies are linked. There is a reason only those unable to think for themselves fall for very obvious lies of RFK jr regarding vaccines and HIV. All you need to do is 1: actually read the study he recommends . 2 find other studies in the sane issue ( or ask if can’t find ) 3: find studies that prove safety in other ways. There should be zero person to fall for that clown . Those who do fall testify to their own inability to think for themselves .

@GotWag

Жыл бұрын

@@Sceince007 His study says this. Your study says that. No one can say which study is 'right' - they say it, but they never conclusively prove it. To date, they haven't conclusively proven him wrong, and the 'experts' refuse to debate him. If they hold the truth, there's zero reason they wouldn't debate him and blow his theories up. They don't do it because they can't.

Why can’t this guy just refute the actual specific points RFK made including the study he cited about mercury going straight to the brain. It’s infuriating to listen to these people not address the main point. This is why a debate is necessary, so they can be forced to address the central point directly

@manowatis1557

Жыл бұрын

They cant they are obviously shills

@olfrud

Жыл бұрын

because almost all vaccines dont have mercury compounds in them anymore lol and if so you can choose another variant who doesn’t use mercury.

@grimtrigg3r

Жыл бұрын

Why refute nonsense? You'll be busy all day with no time for anything else. Vaccines are one of the greatest achievements of medical science and have saved countless lives. And tin foil hat wearing weirdos can't change that fact. Neither can a shyster like RFK, Jr.

@cheflev9884

Жыл бұрын

@@olfrud You actually missed the point both ways. The guys in the video clearly state that ethylmercury is non toxic because it has a week life cycle, it’s synthetic mercury and that it’s also in small amounts. RFKs point was that ethylmercury goes into the brain because of a study conducted on squirrel monkeys and that’s it’s clearly dangerous according to him. His overall point is that along with vaccines being unsafe there is also institutional and regulatory capture (this is most of his points) of regulators by big pharma. I don’t know who’s correct but clearly the guys above are not stating some of RFKs arguments correctly even though I found their presentation educational.

@olfrud

Жыл бұрын

@@cheflev9884 tbh I don’t care. Vaccines clearly are responsible for a huge increase in overall lifespan. Just look at what people were dying of begging of the 20th century and compare it to now. Also I can’t take someone serious who seriously states that vaccines cause autism. It’s utterly false and a lie.

RFK’s strengths are in other more important areas as many middle and working class people are beginning to see . He is not running on his vaccine stance and it’s not what average Americans care about . Saline , salt , etc you may be correct here, but if anything is important about RFK ‘s stance on vaccines , it would be that under his administration , people would not be FORCED to take a vaccine at the expense of their jobs. This pandemic did nothing but create distrust in the populace because much is coming out now about the vaccines and the motivation behind pushing and mandating that certain groups get them , let’s not even get into the truth about which masks would even work in the scenario . People were misled about many things regarding the COVID vaccine … actually lied to ; the COVID vax never directly stopped the spread was a BIG one . Trust has diminished greatly . RFK offers a record of fighting for the environment and for people in general , and NO ONE can take THAT away from him . The vax issue will not matter to people at this point even if you debate him on trivialities , because mainly , the bigger problems we are facing , are taking precedent .

@eddiehartsfield9012

Жыл бұрын

If he’s willing to spread lies about vaccination, how can he be trusted to handle anything at all? How can he be trusted to address anything else? Why is he trying to mislead people on life-saving vaccines? What is his true agenda here? Why does he want people to die? Is that what we want in a leader, someone who wants people to die?

@hans-joachimbierwirth4727

Жыл бұрын

RFK has a record of making up false claims. He even made up complete pipelines that do not exist.

@caliguy1260

8 ай бұрын

“People were misled…actually lied to…the COVID vax never directly stopped the spread” Technically true. The COVID vaccines do not grant “sterilizing immunity” where an infected person would not shed any viral particles while breathing, or a small enough number of viral particles such that the vaccinated person is no longer infectious. It’s important to realize that all respiratory viral infections are DOSE DEPENDENT, meaning it takes a certain threshold number of inhaled viral particles to infect someone. HOWEVER, there are multiple studies that do indicate that all of the COVID vaccines REDUCE the infectivity by reducing the number of viral particles that an immunized infected person will shed while breathing or talking. Just like masks don’t completely prevent infection but they can reduce the probability of being infected by diluting the number of viral particles exhaled by an infected person as well as reducing the number inhaled by an uninfected person by the same mechanism. Distancing works in a similar manner diluting the amount of virus that can be inhaled by a well person or exhaled by a sick person. This method of infection prevention is called the “Swiss cheese approach” because each step has some holes that let virus through, but by adding successive layers the probability of getting infected keeps getting reduced.

"He will never have a scientist on the show who just tells the truth because it is not controversial? Have you ever actually listened to the show?" He has full spectrum spread of loonies to hard-core scientists. You need to pick out the diamonds from the dung.

@sciencefliestothemoon2305

Жыл бұрын

True, but it has become quite a pile to dig through

@manowatis1557

Жыл бұрын

​@@sciencefliestothemoon2305Wait you didn't actually take the vax, did you?? 🤣🤣🤣 HAHAHAHAHA!

@sciencefliestothemoon2305

Жыл бұрын

@@manowatis1557 I have almost every vaccine known to mankind. Never had the Rona after the shots. No problems at all.

@manowatis1557

Жыл бұрын

@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 you got lucky then

@sciencefliestothemoon2305

Жыл бұрын

@@manowatis1557 not luck, science.

Please, help me sort this out. I just listened to the RFK interview with Joe Rogan where he gives his version of this Offit & RFK phone call. Offit and RFK both mention they chatted about his dad, but PLEASE, tell me what to make of the Burbacher study that RFK says came up in that phone call, because it sounded like a pivotal piece of the argument he was presenting about ethylmercury crossing the blood brain barrier. Here is the transcription from the Joe Rogan podcast at timestamp minute 28. RFK: “When I’m on the phone with Offit, he said ‘The ethylmercury is excreted quickly’, and I said ‘How do you know that?’ And he said ‘Because of the Pichichero Study. Because the study by Pichichero found that it was excreted in a week.’ And, I said ‘But, you are familiar with the Burbacher Study [NIH-PMC1280342] that showed it has gone to the brain?’ And, there was dead silence on the phone. And then he said to me ‘Well you’re right, it’s not that study, it’s a whole mosaic of studies.’ And, I said ‘Can you cite any for me?’ And, he said ‘I’ll send them to you.’ And, he never did. That’s the last I heard from him.” Of course, that’s only RFK’s retelling of the phone call. Leaving RFK and his personality aside, we really need to know the studies that counter this Burbacher Study or counter the reasoning of the argument he presented. Since Offit just recounted that same conversation right here on this channel, I hoped we could clear it up. We need to let the people know, because that Rogan interview was heard by tens of millions, and it will probably break records as the election approaches. Thanks!

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

Bottom line is he blames ethyl mercury for Autism when Autism is a genetic condition. He's a quack lawyer and not a doctor. You're all focused on his red herring. He controls how you think with his red herrings. That's the problem.

@passyourielts

Жыл бұрын

I very much noticed that as well. Convenient accident to not address that study.

@ricknash3055

Жыл бұрын

Offit has a substack you can read his version of that call. "Once again, RFK Jr. had misrepresented the facts. First, I am certain that if RFK Jr. had asked me to send him studies, I would have done it. Either I sent him the studies, or he never asked me to send them. In either case, RFK Jr. has said that he has taped our conversation. Great. Release the tape. Let’s hear what really happened. " from pauloffit substack.

@Junk-tz6cs

Жыл бұрын

Thanks @ricknash3055 I just read Offit’s Substack article about the conversation. He did write some comments about the Burbacher Study, and he listed 6 additional studies. With the Offit/RFK conversation put away, I’ll go read my actual interest which is the Burbacher Study. I will reply to this thread with any noteworthy quotations with the aim of correctly characterizing the objectives and results of Burbacher’s experiment. Thanks again!

@ricknash3055

Жыл бұрын

@@Junk-tz6cs I am keenly interested in your review of the paper as I believe you'll be unbiased in an assessment of it. That's why it's best to remain impartial. I know how easy it is to get misaligned.

I have watched hours of Kennedy's recent podcast interviews including the Rogan podcast. I watched this podcast hoping for a scientific rebuttal but this podcast did not provide that. First, I've never heard Kennedy define a placebo. Perhaps he did at some point but, at this point, it's a red herring. Second, regarding the mercury issue, around 32 minutes into the Rogan podcast, Kennedy rebutted the argument that Dr. Offit made during this podcast. I was hoping for a rebuttal to Kennedy's rebuttal. Third, I found an online article blaming the Spanish Flu on vaccine research but Kennedy didn't write that article and I've never heard him even refer to the article. Fourth, regarding the correlation between vaccines and autism, Kennedy doesn't reference the Wakefield study and he isn't claiming causation. He is only stating that there seems to be enough of a correlation to merit study. What is wrong with asking the question? Ironically, this podcast supports Kennedy's claim that people are trying to discredit him personally instead of providing counter arguments. If he is spouting misinformation, as is claimed in this podcast, then please provide a rebuttal to his arguments rather than just empty claims of "misinformation" and rebuttals to claims that he hasn't made. People really would like to hear it. And that is why some of us were hoping for a legitimate, interactive, productive, long-form discussion between Kennedy and a scientist prepared to provide counterarguments.

@doreeneclose6295

Жыл бұрын

Something about common sense has gone off the rails with the pharma owned mouthpieces. RFK refers to a saline placebo btw, which is how all other drugs are tested. The way they test new vaccines is to use another vaccine as the placebo, which is an absurd deviation from the science method and appears to be a bit of trickery.

@vincentgioffre9173

Жыл бұрын

Spot on!

@thedrunkenchefs4577

Жыл бұрын

When I listen to these two smugly mischaracterize RFK in their transparent attempt to discredit him, a Shakespeare quote comes to mind and I will paraphrase it here: Me thinks the ladies doth protest too much.

@bobbyologun1517

Жыл бұрын

@@thedrunkenchefs4577 usually people who look outside of the data to find hints have limited bg in medicine and related sciences. is that fair to say in this case?

@bobbyologun1517

Жыл бұрын

would you really like to know? if you are genuine i would be happy to answer your questions in detail

Wait - what about the Federal Vaccination Injury Fund. Is that fake news ? Our pediatricitians never once asked us for any effects from the vaccines on our kids. So who is tracking vaccine safety ? I work in Pharma - profits are paramount, the FDA is an afterhought. And for all lawyers out there, keep doing the good work ...

@JM-me1vh

Жыл бұрын

Lol you honestly don’t know. Honestly just search every 1st world country has a medication adverse reporting system. Americas is amazing.

@susanne5803

Жыл бұрын

Additional information: we participated in the official side effect study. We were asked about side effects and treatment from shortly after vaccination to almost a year afterwards.

@markislivingdeliberately

Жыл бұрын

@@JM-me1vhit shouldn’t be reported by the victims it should be funded and studied. Placebo control groups with a saline placebo to study safety not efficacy alone. Asking victims to self-report went real well for women throughout history, right?

Seeing the arrogance of these guys, at a time that their industry has failed so badly, makes it easy to want to stay well away from them and believe the opposite of whatever they say.

@deborahfreedman333

Жыл бұрын

How is producing an extremely safe and effective vaccine, in record time, to save millions of lives, a failure? "These guys" aren't arrogant, they are just very informed, experts. Pity you, and ignoramuses like Kennedy, aren't.

@jaykanta4326

Жыл бұрын

What failed, Michael? Bring scientific evidence.

“He will never have a scientist on the program who just tells the truth.” Take that Peter Hotez! Don’t these clowns know they need to put their white lab coats on to be taken seriously?

@HWM636

Жыл бұрын

Kennedy offered 5 million in charity to anyone that debates him and nobody does it. Hmm. Guess 5 million isn't worth starving kids time

@GodsOwnPrototype

Жыл бұрын

I know, couldn't even get to 2mins in...SMH

@thetippingpoint172

Жыл бұрын

And the requisite bow tie as well!

@bobbynemeth7539

Жыл бұрын

His comment made no sense. I imagine he doesn't listen to JRE, because he would know that when Joe had on a Climate Change denier, he then brought on for a follow up episode a local professor to debunk some of those claims so that both sides of the argument could be presented.

@elephantoflight3362

Жыл бұрын

You wouldn’t know the truth, even if 2 experts had a 20 minute discussion on the truth…

Do you know what's scientific? Debate is scientific. Stop acting like science is a bible you can recite the word of god from.

Why not have a placebo with water/saline AND a placebo like they suggest here? That makes the most sense to best test for safety doesn't it?

@marychristenson3913

10 ай бұрын

now there is a good idea!

Love how Offit says Salks polio trial was a success concerning placebo when Offit himself wrote about the Cutter incident as causing more harm then good due to the polio virus not being really deactivated

@peterginsburg2465

Жыл бұрын

That was a manufacturing problem with the Cutter company, not a problem with the vaccine. The other companies that manufactured the vaccine were ok.

@elephantoflight3362

Жыл бұрын

Why lie?

@Bob-ir4lr

Жыл бұрын

@@elephantoflight3362 uh money? He invented Rotateq, the dudes loaded and has massive influence in the pharma world

@sciencefliestothemoon2305

Жыл бұрын

Well the Salk vaccine was a massive success, wasn't it? Pretty much every polio shot in developed countries is now based on an inactivated virus, because the risk of the Sabin vaccine to cause polio is deemed to high in countries that eradicated the disease.

@Sceince007

Жыл бұрын

Yup what do honest people do - take it as incidence and don’t blame the whole industry for it . Also that company was one of how many making that polio vaccine ? The unfortunate incident resulted in strict FDA regulations as well . What do the dishonest do ? Apply that incident to every thing ? Question - why is it hard to be honest and antivaxer at the same time ? I have never met one who was both.

Regarding placebo control: How can you possibly know if what you're calling "buffering and stabilizing agents," aka the adjuvant, is pharmacologically inert if you haven't been testing it against an actual pharmacologically inert substance such as saline? In his recent interview on Bad Faith podcast, Vinay Prasad, MD, has suggested that studies could easily have three cohorts - the vaccine, the adjuvant only, and saline. The issue that I understand RFKJr to be raising is about safety, not simply whether the intervention produces a better immune response than the control. How can we know the long term outcomes and safety if the studies are not powered to answer those questions?

@jaykanta4326

Жыл бұрын

Your concerns have no plausibility. Are you an expert in research methods and ethics? Vinay Prasad has become an anti-vax clown, he's not an expert.

Clearly Paul Offit has history with RFK Jr. that influences his response. But regardless, this interview over simplified and I thin twisted much of what RFK Jr said. I encourage viewers to watch the excellent interview of Vinay Prasad where he fairly and meticulously outlines what RFK Jr got right and what he got wrong. If you can’t respond to RFK Jr in an intellectually honest way, then you just do harm to the pro vaccine cause. I can’t help but think Offi here was rattled and defensive and his eyes betrayed the fact all is not as clear as he made out. Saying that a placebo is a placebo because the CDC says it is, is exactly the problem RFK Jr is pointing out! Paul and Vincent, you can both do better than this.

@JamesLyonsWeiler1111

Жыл бұрын

Trouble is, Prasad gets more than a few things wrong as he offers his opinion of what's correct and incorrect. Prasad's opinion is not the final word. For example, once he realizes that not counting COVID-19 vaccine exposed people as vaccinated until 5 to 8 weeks after the initial does almost certainly hide antibody dependent enhancement from Delta onward, he'll no longer hold the opinion that COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of hospitalization.

@ivermec-tin666

Жыл бұрын

Prasad is a toady and an historical revisionist. He contends that the whole scripted Event 201 response was simply a series of mistakes made by good faith actors, but that is statistically impossible. Prasad is a man living in a glass house, who has a penchant for throwing stones.

@Memphis2010GFC

Жыл бұрын

Kennedy is not the one who defines what a placebo is. Science does! Afterall Kennedy is a mere lawyer not a scientist!

@ivermec-tin666

Жыл бұрын

@@Memphis2010GFC No, Scientism bro. There is no Dictionary of "Science". A placebo is a medical term. Medicine is not "Science".

@Memphis2010GFC

Жыл бұрын

@@ivermec-tin666 It is both medical and scientific. A placebo is something that does not have the active ingredient! It does not mean, like Kennedy says it has to be water or saline! Sorry, Medicine is based totally upon Science. Biology is the study of living organisms. Yes humans are organisms!

In my experience, people who sneer and laugh at others behind their back, but refuse to debate them in public are cowards and bullies. If you are confident in your position then a public debate with RFKJr should be a very simple affair.

@hat1475

Жыл бұрын

"In my experience" those who refuse to debate the guy in the back of the 7-11 yelling, aliens are eating my brain are quite rational.

@deang8017

Жыл бұрын

@@hat1475 That's a nice strawman you got there

@sleepyfish3929

Жыл бұрын

@@hat1475 if you literally could donate millions to the charity of your choice by debating the 7-11 guy it'd be a crime not to do it.

@blockraven22

Жыл бұрын

@@hat1475 That's not even equivocal, and a submental thing to say

@haroldbrown5308

Жыл бұрын

@@blockraven22 debate RFK or you are a coward!

Joe has tons of Scientists on his show. You said that 'he will never have a Scientist on his show" He literally had Hotez on the show and dozens and dozens of others.

@elliebellie111

Жыл бұрын

Yep, also had Sanjay Gupta

@bobbyologun1517

Жыл бұрын

JRE has morons like brett weinstein and sam harris who believe in fccking aliens. fantasists like graham hancocks who tv show was so stupefyingly bad miniminuteman had to make four hour long episodes to debunk it. why anyone gets medicine, science or politics from a subliteral like joe rogan is beyond me.

@virag1132

Жыл бұрын

@@elliebellie111 lol

@blockraven22

Жыл бұрын

He's had multiple Noble Laueriets on the show including Roger Penrose. That's such an insane thing to say that says he never has scientists on the show. Just on the top of my head he's had Michael Shermer, Neal Degrasse Tyson, Lawrence Krausse, Rhonda Patrick, Cara Santa Maria, Sam Harris, Gaad Sad, Brian Greene, Eric Weinstein, Sean Caroll. This is why even people who claim to be scientific can't even get basic facts straight.

@PAULOFFICE101

Жыл бұрын

@@blockraven22 This should be flagged for disinformation for sure!!

These two are scared to debate RFK and listening to their argument why he’s wrong. The money is on the table still !!

@risenationalists

Жыл бұрын

Bit of a thicko aren't you lol - debates in science don't happen orally 🤣🤣🤣 this isnt' a cartoon you SHEEP lmao. If RFK want's to "debate" then he's free to write a scientific paper and get it published in a LEGIT medical journal with PROPER PEER REVIEW. You're thick though and think he's BS won't get published because of muh conspiracy. YOU SHEEP lmao.

The OBVIOUS issue, which you showed you don't understand in the first 2 minutes, is that immunologically inert placebos test efficacy whereas biologically inert placebos test SAFTEY!

@OnevoiceOneview

Жыл бұрын

I think they do understand. They just think we are all stupid. But they are wrong!

Check out the extensive report by the US Senate in 1989 on neurotoxicity which expressed concern for human species survival due to pesticides and pharmaceuticals. RFK Jr is not anti vaccine. He’s putting forth thoughtful concerns regarding the real hazards of pesticides and pharmaceuticals. Mercury in any form is highly neurotoxic. Pesticides are not health supplements.

@soniamccarthy9986

Жыл бұрын

Yes, also they use aluminum in vaccines as an adjuvant which is neurotoxic.

@Sceince007

11 ай бұрын

Lol at assumptions and dishonest disregard of all the studies Also RFK jr is a antivaxer and likely the biggest one in the world. Either he is to dumb to know or too dishonest to admit .He targets those unable to think for themselves. I have not had any body - not one person be able to justify why they support him

@carloannechino4179

10 ай бұрын

Why can’t I read the replies?

Because mercury is in the crust makes it safe, so is arsenic.

@jludo

Жыл бұрын

Ya that was a wildly unscientific 'zinger' by Offit. It's why you need a conversation, not barbs flung from afar.

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

He covered the difference between metallic mercury, methyl mercury, and ethyl mercury. Scientific illiteracy is killing America.

@delfadavi5784

Жыл бұрын

@@Peter_S_ the medical community is killing more than illiteracy. 3rd leading cause in the US

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

@@delfadavi5784 Scientific illiteracy just killed a million Americans over the past couple years.

@christopherrobinson7541

Жыл бұрын

@@delfadavi5784 INCORRECT That stats from RFKjr was for an old document, about 15 years old, and was wrong then. Currently in the last year the 3rd highest cause of death was COVID-19.

So arrogant - both of you, laughing, making fun, while you sit there unchallenged.

Haha...nice try..hope big pharma is worth it

Rogan has interviewed Sean Carrol, Brian Greene and Richard Dawkins among other real scientists.

@TheHunterGracchus

Жыл бұрын

He showed how much respect he has for science when he made an ass of himself over the so-called bondo ape.

@kburke1965

Жыл бұрын

@@TheHunterGracchus maybe there’s a place for someone who lets the listener make their own judgements.

@TheBold1994

Жыл бұрын

Also multiple time we Neil degrasse tyson

@missano3856

Жыл бұрын

Had Michael Osterholm on.

@ivermec-tin666

Жыл бұрын

@kburke1965, but how many tools of Corporate Scientism has he hosted?

13:40 Vincent claims that Joe said “No scientist will debate RFK Jr so he must be right” That is not true at all he never said that. He was trying to get Peter Hotez to debate RFK Jr

@WatchMyVideoCovidTruthNoBiolab

Жыл бұрын

Forget if he said it. All anti vaxxers are saying it. Idk who that even is.

@bobbyologun1517

Жыл бұрын

yes he did he said its speak volumes dr hotez wont engage in debate with bob kennedy. in other words hes saying there must be something to it if dr h doesnt want that heat. hes thinking in mma terms like the muscle head he is

@haroldbrown5308

Жыл бұрын

But the "good" doc won't debate! RFK willing to listen!

@Larvemannenz001

Жыл бұрын

Yes, this was when Rogan fans harassed Hotez outside his house, right?

In boxing, the aging established champion who doubts his own predominance very often dodges fights against challengers long as he can. He still enjoys the spoils of prior victories and the label “Champion.” It’s hard to admit that one may be comprised and out of date. The easiest way is not to fight the challengers. But do this for too long and everyone will start to clamor, “Fight and defend your title old man, or stand down! If you’re still a real champion, it will be an easy victory!”

@thetippingpoint172

Жыл бұрын

What has this to do with boxing.

@sciencefliestothemoon2305

Жыл бұрын

Science is not boxing. The analogy is about as useful to the discussion as a brain tumour.

@haroldbrown5308

Жыл бұрын

@@thetippingpoint172 It doesn't ----try drinking the tap water in your house! The Feds just announced that 48% of our tap water has "forever" chemicals in it!

@lesfaby8997

Жыл бұрын

To see Junior present his claims point-by-point followed by a response by Dr Dan Wilson of Debunk the Funk, see kzread.info/dash/bejne/pambpayHcbOsadI.html Dr Wilson will return to TWiV Sunday at midnight. I Also recommended "How RFK Jr made nonsense sound credible on Joe Rogan" by Dr Susan Oliver kzread.info/dash/bejne/pIJ1k7tsobfWpag.html. It also lets Junior attempt to make his points, with an exposure of the rhetorical tricks used by Junior. See kzread.info/dash/bejne/pIJ1k7tsobfWpag.html

@dannypapes8380

Жыл бұрын

Science battles aren’t won in debates. They’re won in complex, slow, arduous publishing processes. Using your analogy, people like Offit and Dr Griffin are in the ring constantly. What boxer would accept a challenge from an amateur boxer on their way home from the grocery store? RFK refuses to step into the actual ring and do any original foundational research in the lab, he just throws darts from afar.

Why dont you guys have RFK Jr on?

@alexp.44

Жыл бұрын

We all know why

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

@@alexp.44 Having random lying mental patients on to waste time is worth nothing.

@changingworld7467

Жыл бұрын

@@Peter_S_ Ad hominem attacks simply demonstrate that you have no confidence in your statements.

@sciencefliestothemoon2305

Жыл бұрын

I recommend a placebo controlled trial placebo vs. Rabies vaccine and all the jokers that got their dunning Kruger PhD are in the placebo group

@sallybrookner4158

Жыл бұрын

That’s like asking why doesn’t Neil DeGrass Tyson have a flat-earther on. If someone ignores the scientific studies, and just makes stuff up, no amount of discussion or ‘debate” will be useful.

RFK Jr.'s claim is that the issue is with buffering agents in the placebo trials. Thats why he advocates for water or saline placebo trials. If one of the experts would have an adult discussion with him this could be cleared up. Snickering about it with your friend over Zoom is a bad look.

Frances Oldham Kelsey took a bold stance against inadequate testing and corporate pressure when she refused to approve release of thalidomide in the United States.

@OnevoiceOneview

Жыл бұрын

Very true! Just her one deciding vote, as I recall. I remember thalidomide babies.

It cracks me up that none of these guys that dispute RFK Jr will agree to debate him.

@doreeneclose6295

Жыл бұрын

Offit is on the orchestrated smear campaign. Their tactics are to attack, smear, slander and avoid the man at all costs. 😂

@christopherrobinson7541

Жыл бұрын

@@doreeneclose6295 NONSENSE

@doreeneclose6295

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherrobinson7541 how profound;)

@ivermec-tin666

Жыл бұрын

@angiegracie6954, It's almost as if they don't believe that their Corporate Scientism consensus can stand up to scrutiny. Stunning and brave.

@alanfraser4897

Жыл бұрын

Agreed..they want to make videos but not get into a debate where what they say can be pushed back on in real time

Wait. Salt water is a bad placebo, then they say Salk used it for polio?

@afifahhamilton8843

Жыл бұрын

And even then, two children in the polio vaccine group (as opposed to the saline placebo group) were paralysed with polio. So... it didn't work for them did it? Well, Mr Offit, why not? (That's at 22:50 on the video).

@pizzablender

Жыл бұрын

Water is bad, salt water is so-so. But it is better to use for example a different vaccine, so you are sure you are not measuring some general effect of the adjuvant.

@Trees43

Жыл бұрын

With all due respect, what you're missing is that RFK Jr. says that salt water is the only kind of placebo, and that there are no other types of placebos that should be considered and used.. He holds on to this position without being able to see into the complexity of the placebo issue. Yes it was used in the polio study and no it isn't the only kind of placebo.

@buddygroom

Жыл бұрын

@@Trees43 / i agree, but they acted as if it was a foolish placebo, then stated it was used in the polio trials…. I am just seeking clarity from them

@ricknash3055

Жыл бұрын

@@Trees43 Depends upon what the study is trying to determine. Safety and or efficacy, or just efficacy? As immunology org says; "The precise mechanisms of many adjuvants remain largely undefined due to the complexity of the immune response, but generalisations can be made to allow the design of more rational adjuvants aimed at particular arms of the immune system." This statement admits that many of the mechanisms of adjuvants and how they interact with the immune system are far from being well understood.

I didn't understand the first point about why it's bad to use water or salt water for a placebo. Dr. Offit said the huge polio study used salt water for the placebo. But, he said the problem was using any placebo instead of the vaccine because children died and were paralyzed by not getting the polio vaccine. He didn't say using salt water was a problem.

@WatchMyVideoCovidTruthNoBiolab

Жыл бұрын

Bingo. No placebo tests.

15:32 `we live in a toxic environmental soup` ...seems correct to me, why would anyone deny this?

@markbujdos584

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like RFK, jr.'s number one talking point. And that point is the point.

@pizzablender

Жыл бұрын

We get older than ever, it seems.

@genehendrix1847

Жыл бұрын

@@pizzablender Noop, decline in the US.

@markislivingdeliberately

Жыл бұрын

Read the back of all your labels. It’s kinda crazy what we allow in our bodies and on our skin toxic soup 100%. Who doesn’t think a mountain man living in Washington isn’t healthier than a influencer living in Los Angeles? Being outside and using less science based products does wonders for ya in my experience. And I’m not any less healthy. More healthy than the average 37 year old. Worst thing I do is watch KZread a lot 😂😂

@GotWag

Жыл бұрын

@@markbujdos584 no, it's the single, only thing anyone wants to focus on. He isn't running for the vaccine king of the world, or the medical officer of America. He has bigger issues on his radar, such as protecting our bill of rights/constitution, ending media/government censorship, reigning in the 3 letter agencies and so on.

Dr Raciniello.... Would be nice if you would address how we know that the placebos used are themselves safe.

if you two are serious don't debate Kennedy sit down and have a conversation with him. I am sure he would do it.

@stephengreen9720

Жыл бұрын

Good point, if it’s really all about public health, sitting down in private to discuss it would be of paramount importance

would love to see rfk debate you two

@felipec

Жыл бұрын

They are afraid they will lose.

@damocarew

Жыл бұрын

RFK doesn’t have the data on his side, he just lies

@felipec

Жыл бұрын

@@damocarew That's not an argument. That's just words.

@damocarew

Жыл бұрын

@@felipec He spouts basic antivax tropes like mortality by vaccination status, so easy to check his lies it is laughable. He will be responsible for the return of diseases in the US, however, I do believe his presidential campaign is only for chaos purposes, and to sell his antivax books and website. So glad I’m not from the US, that place is massively anti science bat-shit

@manowatis1557

Жыл бұрын

​@@damocarewthese guys would get absolutely crushed by rfk on this topic.

Whenever you encounter people claiming that some aspect of science is 'undebatable' , that is precisely what you should debate!

Also just a clarification, the 187 times daily allowed mercury figure was supposed to be 187 micrograms. I think Salon issued that correction the day after the article was originally released back in 2005, so it looks like it was simply a mistake, not a figure he's stood behind.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

Жыл бұрын

A vaccine containing 0.01% thimerosal contains approximately 25 mcg of mercury per dose.2 On the basis of the available childhood vaccine formulations at the time, Ball et al. calculated the maximum potential amount of thimerosal that children may have received during the first 6 months of life, also accounting for the influenza vaccine that may have been given at 6 months of age.10 It was calculated that a child potentially received approximately 200 mcg of ethylmercury from vaccines at the time, a value that exceeded the EPA's maximal allowable amount of orally ingested methylmercury.10 However, this calculation was not compared with a recognized standard for maximal allowable amounts of ethylmercury administered parenterally; in the risk assessment, the toxicity of methylmercury was extrapolated to that of ethylmercury in thimerosal.10 Furthermore, this figure remained within the allowable range of mercury stated in guidelines from the ATSDR, FDA, and WHO. It should be noted that 0.1 mcg of mercury corresponds with an adult's weekly consumption of a 198-g (7-oz) can of tuna.4

@pinkgunman

Жыл бұрын

@@caseymckenzie4760 Several time in this I actually can't figure out if he is lying, speaking out of ignorance, or just dumb from smelling too many of his own farts?

@motherearthh08

Жыл бұрын

​@@pinkgunman😂😂😂😂😂

@jessicajensen1976

Жыл бұрын

It was also Salon's mistake.

@viresinnumeris7755

Жыл бұрын

Yeah all the mistakes in that article were editing errors

I strongly disagree, you MUST debate these people in public otherwise they will continue to convince people in their echo chamber

@georgeharrison6022

Жыл бұрын

Good comment

@remyrogers4

Жыл бұрын

The vaccines are not safe. These crackpots pushed the covid vaccine.

@Sceince007

Жыл бұрын

With people with zero integrity ? Why can he not prove what RFK jr actually says ?

@deborahfreedman333

Жыл бұрын

No, debating these frauds gives them a level of legitimacy, and should be avoided. Let Kennedy write a scientific paper, proving his BS thesis. He can't, because he lacks all expertise to evaluate any scientific theory. Might as well debate a lunatic in an insane asylum.

@Wayne-im1wr

Жыл бұрын

It’s odd that no scientist is accepting Rogan’s $100,000 debate invitation. If the science is there, it seems like easy money. A hundred thousand dollars just to show up. No WIN necessary.

This is what is scary to me: the average child now gets 72 shots, and since that increase started in the '80's, the chronic disease in kids has skyrocketed. That is indisputable. Why don't the CDC and FDA talk about that? Why are they not investigating cause? The primary funding of the FDA is from the drug companies, but that is OK? Why are we unable to question the obvious failures during Covid?

@Sceince007

Жыл бұрын

They talk about it again and again and again . The vaccinated actually have lower death and chronic illness rate than the unvaccinated . Why does he not mention that ? Do you think if he preselected himself as honest why would any body with brains follow him.

@dannypapes8380

Жыл бұрын

what chronic disease in children has skyrocketed?

@sciencefliestothemoon2305

Жыл бұрын

When was the last time you saw a 5 year old with a hearing aid? Or a mother with a child post viral encephalitis? Or a young polio survivor?

@Sceince007

Жыл бұрын

@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 I actually do some medical work in third world countries and I actually have seen these always in the unvaccinated including cases of polio. But you did not have to work in the third world to see the effects of civid in children in USA , all preventable .

@Sceince007

Жыл бұрын

What Chronic diseases in children have sky rocketed ? If autism it has been studied multiple times in several large studies so your statement is incorrect . Also did you prove you did jot ask you made false statement and then called it indisputable - taking a page fromRFKjr book ?

It’s annoys me how people make teams. Vax vs non vax. Truth is it’s probably in the middle and we need to work that out. But we are not doing a good job at that.

@WatchMyVideoCovidTruthNoBiolab

Жыл бұрын

Because the pro vax side keeps moving the goalpost and never admitting what we all know.

@MrJackBongers

Жыл бұрын

@@isthiscontent agree. But the covid vaccine over the last few years has been horrific. Now people need to build the trust back. Weather they like it or not.

@MrJackBongers

Жыл бұрын

@@isthiscontent Also dont try to make out for a second the whole vaccine industry is faultless. Doing that will push people the other way.

So for polio they used saline as the placebo but for the more recent ones they don’t is that correct?

@whatabouttrish

Жыл бұрын

Yes, for the approvals, most vaccines are tested against another vaccine or the adjuvant. Since the manf. have limited or no liability, they do not need to predict the costs of product liability lawsuits.

@WatchMyVideoCovidTruthNoBiolab

Жыл бұрын

​@@whatabouttrish so basically no placebo trials.

bill gates is not a doctor either but we listen to him!

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

I don't listen to bill gates and I've been using his products since 1979.

@c4tch

Жыл бұрын

Ad hominem attacks because of someone’s profession are a classic tactic for not actually addressing the issue at hand.

@risenationalists

Жыл бұрын

no one listens to Bill Gates. But he's actually saved lives. Unlike liar RFK Jr.

@ivermec-tin666

Жыл бұрын

@@risenationalists Bill Gates and his Gates Foundation weren't kicked out of India for "saving lives". They were kicked out for dosing children with experimental vaccines. Bill Gates has never saved a single life. Just ask his buddy Epstein.

@WatchMyVideoCovidTruthNoBiolab

Жыл бұрын

​@@risenationalistsNo RFK saved lives. Bill Gates ADMITTED to killing them.

God forbid we should have debate! That's not what science is about! Science isn't about trying to disprove your theory and looking at results of various studies that give differing views of things. Let's keep it all in the dark and not have differing views!

@peterginsburg2465

Жыл бұрын

Scientists "debate" all the time, with either followup studies or studies showing different data. The "great" gravity wave discovery from the South Pole telescope, proving the theory of Cosmic Inflation, was re-examined by a different group, that proved that the original South Pole gravity wave data turned out to be modified by space "dust." This messed up the "proof" of cosmic inflation. So, Alan Guth, won't get his Nobel Prize, until more data is collected, which is still in progress. Then there's the "cold fusion" claim, from years ago, where the original experiments couldn't be replicated by other scientists. "Cold Fusion," was a bust. The original scientists were disgraced. That's how scientists have different views. They use experiments and "DATA."

@marciasouthwick9748

11 ай бұрын

Exactly. The greatest scientists in the world have broken through prevailing orthodoxies in spite of the criticism they might receive for going against the grain. Now we see scientists who represent an orthodoxy actively ruining careers of other scientists who disagree or have discovered a truth outside of what the orthodoxy considers as the final word. What a shame that is.

So how many shots of the covid vaccine did the good Doctor Offit have....1...2....3...4...or 5...

@emerraldx

Жыл бұрын

you should read his substack articles, he is on the board that makes recommendations to the FDA and does not believe “everyone” needs “all” the boosters because he is following the studies in this field very closely. Scientists disagree with the Public Health message all the time but it is slow process to turn a safety conscious minded govt entity that wants to save as many lives a possible

@Svebola

Жыл бұрын

Aha Offit is antivax

@lesfaby8997

Жыл бұрын

​@@emerraldx Offit has also explained it on TWiV many times.

@marciasouthwick9748

11 ай бұрын

@@emerraldx That is a great point. Offit drew a line on boosters. The lag between new information and changing policy is inevitable and he handled it well. I wish he could explain how taking more and more boosters and new vaccines in the future will be safe. Could taking too many harm our immune systems? Maybe he has addressed that. Can someone point me in the right direction?

These guys do quite a bit of laughing to themselves

@RandyMacLeodon

Жыл бұрын

The lack of evidence is laughable as are the claims and suspected motivations of most anti-vaxxers. It would be more amusing it it weren't so tragic.

@lindarichardson4986

Жыл бұрын

what a snarky interviewer. the prob is therein.

@storage-space4927

Жыл бұрын

@@lindarichardson4986 salt water or nothing else for sure. The medium Offitt is talking about is an "adjuvant" which cause a more severe immune response which is why saline should be used.

@MrJackBongers

Жыл бұрын

Yeh can we all agree that salt water would be a better placebo? Without everyone taking things to personally

@rogerdittus2952

Жыл бұрын

...maybe it's either laugh or cry over unqualified quacks like RFK suckering people.

Thats is the stupidest thing I heard. Controversy sells so thats why he doesn’t have scientist on? He literally invited him on! Also, debate is the scientific way! When is science unquestionable? Is it the new religion?

Starts off by framing Rogan as someone who just courts controversy. Downhill from there..

@nescius2

Жыл бұрын

..and what else he does?

@thetippingpoint172

Жыл бұрын

I came here because of Fridman. Was expecting some convincing facts as to rebut RFK. All I got was condescension and more tap dancing than Fauci in the senate hearings. Left with more respect and admiration for RFK.

@haroldbrown5308

Жыл бұрын

@@nescius2 Oh, you haven't been listening to other pod casts have you?

@haroldbrown5308

Жыл бұрын

@@thetippingpoint172 Amen! I'm for RFK in 2024!

@nescius2

Жыл бұрын

i should happy for you, there will be more space without yall demented people, but its really not your fault, all you could have done wrong is just listened to some twats..

Wow, I'm not sure what to make of all of this, and have had a positive impression of Paul Offit in the past, but I also like RFK and was astounded to hear anyone refer to him as 'mean-spirited'.

@paulburgess5111

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the name calling seems childish

@jaykanta4326

Жыл бұрын

@@paulburgess5111 So lying about vaccines over and over again, misrepresenting a conversation that Dr. Offitt had with RFK Jr. in the past and lying about that same discussion isn't "mean spirited"?

@elliebellie111

Жыл бұрын

@@paulburgess5111 Yeah, also he is the only political candidate that I've seen that refuses to bash the character of the other candidates. That's part of the reason that so many people do like him---they say that he is kind, genuine/authentic and honest. Regardless of agreeing or disagreeing with every one of his viewpoints, that is refreshing. Again, all due respect to Offit, I do like him, but makes me wonder if he has not really taken the time, aside from the phone conversation to see what rfk has to say in other interviews outside of vaccines. Maybe I'm mistaken though....

@ivermec-tin666

Жыл бұрын

@@jaykanta4326 RFJ, Jr. went public with his memory of that phone conversation years ago. Offit has had years to set the record straight. He has had years to provide the study that refutes the one which indicates that mercury is secreted in the brain, and not excreted in urine or feces, though it does clear the blood stream. Offit wants to play the victim, but he still won't produce that study. it's a bad look.

@alejandramguerrero5885

Жыл бұрын

@@elliebellie111 I agree . As a retiree I have had s lot of time to watch RFK on many many podcasts and interviews . There’s NO way he could feign the sincerity . He also doesn’t have a script that he regurgitates . Every time I hear him speak he sounds different , hard to explain , but actually tunes his responses to whomever he’s addressing, putting the same ideas across at different levels of complexity . It’s difficult to explain what I mean but it’s a great quality to have and one I recognize as an educator . The man is highly intelligent .

You two act like RFK Jr's opinions are formed in a vacuum. He has dozens (at least) of credentialed scientific and medical advisors. I'm sure one of them would be happy to join your show to discuss these points.

@MichaelMoore-nx5ue

Жыл бұрын

Does RFK Jr have scientific advisors?

@dlev

Жыл бұрын

LMFAO

@margaretash9706

Жыл бұрын

RfK has fools and charlatans.

@rosalindmartin4469

Жыл бұрын

Not happening. Is it? Ask why?

@fyouman7

Жыл бұрын

Is that so?

If, as you claim, the "buffer and stabilizing agent" are biologically and immunologically inert, why did they bother using them as placebo instead of saline? In other words, you say that the trials' results would be the same if saline was used instead?

@fifthoarsmanoftheacropolis4173

Жыл бұрын

When comparing vaccine data to placebo data if only saline was used the question remains as to whether buffers/stabilizers have any relevant effects. So by using a placebo that is essentially the vaccine with the active ingredients removed you get more accurate data on the differences between the two.

@sithwolf8017

Жыл бұрын

Because saline is 100% see-through while a vaccine is cloudy and opaque. Basic common sense says if your placebo can easily be distinguished from your experimental variable, then it's a shit placebo that ruins the concept of random and double blinded trials. I mean if you were given an injection that is 100% see-through while the 2 people next to you get a syringe full of cluody liquid you'll immediately figure out something is up.

@ElBayadKhalil

Жыл бұрын

​@@fifthoarsmanoftheacropolis4173 How can we know if the 'buffers/stabilizers' has any relevant effect if compared to the vaccine which has an effect? Having less effect than the vaccine doesn't mean no effect. Any non inert product has an effect. And because there is 'noise' (effects that are urelated to the intervention) that we use placebo to eliminate that noise. Anything that isn't inert cannot eliminate the noise. If there wasn't noise the placebo wouldn't be necessary. There is very high confidence that 0.5 cc of saline is inert, not so much when using the 'buffers/stabilizers'

@ElBayadKhalil

Жыл бұрын

@@fifthoarsmanoftheacropolis4173 Advantages of using saline placebo: 1/it's simpler, cheaper 2/eliminates controversy 3/asses for safety + efficacy Buffers/stabilizers: 1/controversial 2/asses for efficacy only. To asses for safety you need to test it against saline. 3/More expensive 4/No advantage over saline A part from more confusion, I don't see any benefit.

@pizzablender

Жыл бұрын

@@ElBayadKhalil Sometimes even different vaccines are used as placebo. For the side effects, so people getting placebo won't notice a lack of reaction. And for the effect of a vaccine putting the immune system on general alert - remember that BMR vaccine was supposed to be somewhat protective against covid? (Which it wasn't). Safety is judged against background of any rare events happening.

Would you have RFK Jr on your podcast?

@howardroark3670

Жыл бұрын

No. RFK Jr would make him look foolish.

Vaccines work, we need to make sure they are safe and be better at convincing people. I am not convinced, especially with covid vaccine, i have seen too many injured.

I’m on the fence about vaccines, but the more you refuse to debate RFK, the more people like myself are going wonder whether or not he’s correct.

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

Science doesn't care what you wonder. rfk jr was a video producer for the Kremlin for over 10 years and his head is bent.

Vincent just said the polio vaccine was safe. Tell that to all the vaccine induced polio in the world.

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

Vincent is a huge proponent of safe Salk type vaccines and he is not a fan of Sabin vaccines. The Salk vaccine is safe, and Vincent is correct. Still, far fewer people end up with vaccine induced polio than were getting polio before so it's a win in any way you measure it.

@delfadavi5784

Жыл бұрын

@@Peter_S_ but it is inaccurate to say it is completely safe

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

@@delfadavi5784 Wrong. The Salk vaccine is safer than walking across the street and causes ZERO induced polio. Have you ever known somebody with post polio syndrome? I have. You need to hang out with that antivaxxer from Rockland County, NY who was paralyzed by polio last fall.

@bobbyologun1517

Жыл бұрын

@@delfadavi5784 only if you speak in absolute terms. in which case it is inaccurate to say tap water is completely safe :D

@delfadavi5784

Жыл бұрын

@@bobbyologun1517 RFK was talking about long term studies and alternative side affects. Saving a person from a coronavirus but killing them with blood clots from the product is not a safe drug.

Honest question: on RFKs claim that there arent placebo trials, is the reason because there he is questioning about the toxicity of the stabilizing agents, and that they are included in the fda approved placebos?

As an attorney where does he get his information,from scientists

@hans-joachimbierwirth4727

Жыл бұрын

His own arse is a frequently cited source of him too.

next up, intravenous mercury, a known potent neurotoxin should be fine - strike 2

The choice of receiving only adjuvants doesn't exist in real life..... Some still waiting to see what happens to unvaxed in comparison to vaxed. The third group that received a placebo is irrelevant since is different from unvaxed.

@ivermec-tin666

Жыл бұрын

@frugalgardener7921, We have enough data around the Sigma 10 event that is the rise in all cause mortality to make preliminary conclusions about the costs of the Event 201 scripted response. We have the continent of Africa as an exemplar of what might have happened if the script had not been weaponized, and the Geneva Convention tossed aside. There is no rise in all cause mortality in Africa, despite the impacts in South Africa. There is a rough correlation between the degree of vaccination and the rise in all cause mortality. Hence, both are highest in the USA, and lowest in Sweden among the Industrial Western Countries. Japan had a unique trajectory, but given the variations in diagnostic criteria, who can really tell. Re: the CDC schedule. We have natural control cohorts in the Amish, in the Orthodox Jews, and in some of the LDS. Such a comparative study would be easy enough to conduct, but who would have an economic interest in funding it?

@soniamccarthy9986

Жыл бұрын

They don't want a study comparing unvaccinated to vaccinated. People that are not vaccinated are healthier. A pediatrician kept track in his practice of health outcomes of kids in both groups. The unvaccinated kids were generally healthier. He published his study and they suspended his medical license.

The truth will emerge. This is a true statement.

@sithwolf8017

Жыл бұрын

Appeal to future vindication/consequences is a logical fallacy for a reason.

@YawnGod

Жыл бұрын

@@sithwolf8017 You ever fiddle with ChatGPT or things like this?

@GBS1043

4 ай бұрын

THE ONLY TRUE STATEMENT IN THIS VIDEO.

Why doesnt Paul Offit sue RFK jr for slandering him?

As you love vaccines so much you are welcome to mine, my family's and nearly all my friends ones because we will all NEVER have another vaccine in our life!

@shawnclare-nb1up

Жыл бұрын

These guys are ignoring world wide govt(s) data showing excess non covid deaths in frightening numbers

Your disingenuous obfuscating slight of hand is all too transparent: RFK Jr. is asking for randomized placebo trials as vaccine SAFETY tests. Your answer points instead at randomized placebo trials as test of EFFECTIVENESS. The test you describe does NOT deliver any insight in the vaccine safety. RFK is asking for trials that compare the vaccine with a placebo that does not contain the additives that are possibly toxic. You say he cannot redefine what scientists mean by "placebo". That is totally beside the point! This controversy is not about semantics as you suggest. Your aim is transparent enough: With your diversion into semantics you probably try to detract from the fact that the kind of safety tests RFK is legitimately asking for do NOT exist. Since this is an indefensible fact you do not engage but obfuscate. Please correct me if I am missing something, but the fact that you do not engage with RFK's central claim and instead shift topic is evident here. So, are there randomized placebo trials as vaccine SAFETY tests that compare the full vaccine with an empty placebo?

@OnevoiceOneview

Жыл бұрын

I feel a little encouraged seeing a number of comments indicating that, like yourself, people are seeing right through this "debunking" video!

How do you test the safety of the adjuvant in the vaccine?? You seem to only speak of efficacy.

@peterginsburg2465

Жыл бұрын

Phase 2 & 3 trials. All vaccines go through phase 2 & 3 trials. If problems with the adjuvant occur during the trials, the FDA won't approve it.

@cherriecarr2910

Жыл бұрын

right and specifically long term safety. The varicella vaccine (chicken pox) may protect against chicken pox but long term studies showed that vaccinated people develop shingles in adulthood.

@peterginsburg2465

Жыл бұрын

@@cherriecarr2910 It's tough to prove that the inactivated varicella vaccine is responsible for shingles in later life. After you get the vaccine, if you acquire an active varicella infection, your immune system will blunt the symptoms and any complications. But, the active virus will make its way into your nerve ganglia. You won't even know you've been infected. It's why it's recommended people get the shingles shots, even if they were vaccinated.

These guys represent what's wrong with science. They laugh at RFK Jr for not being a scientist, like they laugh at us for wanting to see the data for ourselves. RFK Jr is an environmental lawyer who won hundreds of cases using scientific studies and consulting with experts in the field. You can't win a case if you can't explain the science.

Bring your key scientific studies and data and talk to RFK on your channel or Joe Rogan. RFK Jr says he is open to discuss it with a scientist, you can provide a strong counter argument and mention about the key studies against his claims the least. A celebrity podcaster may not have the scientific understanding or background to counter him but you do. Avoiding him will only strengthens his voice.

@anneesg0808

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Why won’t he do that? 🤔

@deborahfreedman333

Жыл бұрын

Have you heard this jerks at work? They talk over experts, and when the expert counters them, they yell another BS claim, and act like repetitive lying is winning the argument. There is no point in debating someone too willfully ignorant and pompous to admit the truth.

@haroldbrown5308

Жыл бұрын

But, the docs who tested the vac on us (without telling us of the lack of testing) pull their vacs off the market and than won't debate the facts! Do they care about the pollutants in our tap water or do we just wait and wait and die!

@lesfaby8997

Жыл бұрын

To see Junior present his claims point-by-point followed by a response by Dr Dan Wilson of Debunk the Funk, see kzread.info/dash/bejne/pambpayHcbOsadI.html Dr Wilson will return to TWiV Sunday at midnight. I Also recommended "How RFK Jr made nonsense sound credible on Joe Rogan" by Dr Susan Oliver kzread.info/dash/bejne/pIJ1k7tsobfWpag.html. It also lets Junior attempt to make his points, with an exposure of the rhetorical tricks used by Junior. See kzread.info/dash/bejne/pIJ1k7tsobfWpag.html

@Anthony-ts1bj

Жыл бұрын

​@@anneesg0808doesn't have enough time inbetween getting booster shots to make an appearance,his immunity will wear off. Basic $cience.

I may have children soon so I feel it’s encumbent on me to understand this issue. I recently saw RFK Jr’s interview on lex fridmans podcast, where he said that vaccines do not undergo placebo testing for safety, conceding that they undergo placebo testing for efficacy. I followed a trail of articles to this video, and practically the first thing you said to Dr Offit is that RFK Jr said that vaccines do not undergo placebo testing. But that is not what he said! Why are you treating him and us like we’re idiots? Where are the studies? I wish one of you would sit down with the man, in good faith, leaving your silly reputation at the door, to go through all the evidence, pro and con, and help me decide this for my children. Why will you not do that? What about an intelligent, well-read critic with a tremendous amount of personal integrity makes you so afraid?

@jimmyswaggart1189

11 ай бұрын

Because he said on Joe Rogan I quote "...and that's the problem with not doing real placebo controlled trials none of the vaccine are ever subjected to true placebo controlled trials it is the only medical product that is exempt for that prior to licensure". That is what he said word for word and he did NOT say anything about efficacy. Joe Rogan even challenged him on that claim and he doubled down on it.

I really wonder what happen to you, Vincent Racaniello? In February 2020 a lot of us saw something strange was going on with media. Suddenly they want terror and fear. As my mother (and even I) have worked in goverment lab I knew something weird was going on. So I looked for virology lectures online. I found your lecture that I belive had started some weeks before and was still posting total about 30-40 episodes. (Great lectures btw.) You pointed out early on there an article that shows how a Chines health official had stated something that could not be right about "The Virus." I belive it was about mutations. You said probably the health minister was quoted wrongly. At this time, on this planets ...you didn't have lust for down taking others. Couple of months later... I noticed you turned on your own beliefs. And became one of the supporter of alle the improvised hysteria that came alone. It was so strange to notice. Why? Did your job require it? Did the narrative require it? Lack of integrity or did you suddenly see the world differently? Idk... I really wonder. And since then you been very often stating things that is obvious propaganda or down talking "enemies." Why did you get enemies? Why laugh at Kennedy for being critical. It is unprofessional and definitely not good arguing in intellectual environment.

Those who would actually denigrate and put down the laypeople for wanting experts from all sides of this debate to come together to simultaneously have a forum on vaccines/COVID and to educate people are either: Too close to the subject matter to conceive that there may be discrepancies, OR ELSE they are people who are terrified to even think they may have been lied to

@jaykanta4326

Жыл бұрын

There aren't experts on both sides. There is just science.

@lindaboos4518

Жыл бұрын

Medical science has no laws. Too many confounding variables for there to be an answer that is settled once and for all. It is always subject to change. There are many experts from many areas who study vaccines. So, yes, there are actually experts from many sides..

@lindaboos4518

Жыл бұрын

We could all learn something from an open and honest discussion, right?

@jaykanta4326

Жыл бұрын

@@lindaboos4518 Fascinating. And you're an expert? Name some of their research.

@jaykanta4326

Жыл бұрын

@@lindaboos4518 Except anti-vaxxers only lie. It's their thing.

If RFK Jr is so wrong how come no one sits down with him has an adult conversation where he presents his views and backs them up with studies like he always does, then whoever presents the studies showing and explaining why something is not correct. I would bet its because if RFK Jr is not100% right on issues he's at least partially right. That's why no one has the courage to do a sit down with him because no one is exactly 100% sure themselves. Instead of it being ok to question something saying hey what if, then having discussions about it looking at both sides. We now all have a peer pressure mentality of come on everyone is doing it.

@vrencan9735

Жыл бұрын

1. There is no both sides. There's science and there's junk-science. The science is settled on immunizations. 2. A debate with someone operating in good faith would be fine. RFK Jr. is too dishonest to be that person. 3. Your comment shows you've already made your mind up, thus a debate would be lost on you.

@user-lo9bf6cw3y

Жыл бұрын

@@vrencan9735Apparently science never gets anything wrong but one second, In 1955, some batches of polio vaccine given to the public contained live polio virus, even though they had passed required safety testing. Over 250 cases of polio were attributed to vaccines produced by one company: Cutter Laboratories. This case, which came to be known as the Cutter Incident, resulted in many cases of paralysis. The vaccine was recalled as soon as cases of polio were detected.

@user-lo9bf6cw3y

Жыл бұрын

Science is preformed by humans, we all know there is no one in this world that is perfect, so yes mistakes can be made. That's why its ok to question and ask what if and look at both sides.

@georgeharrison6022

Жыл бұрын

@@vrencan9735 back at ya bud

@christopherrobinson7541

Жыл бұрын

@@user-lo9bf6cw3y The recall system worked and the resulting investigation identified the problem and measures were introduced to correct the problem. Further regulation was introduced to prevent similar events. 250 cases were caused by the defective vaccine, but how many would have occurred in the whole of the US if there had been no vaccine?

history will be the judge

Why does the MSDS for Thimerosal have it rated as #4 the most dangerous health hazard. 0- Normal Material 1-Slightly Hazardous 2-Hazardous 3-Extreme Danger 4-Deadly Accidental Release Measures ( from MSDS) Personal Precautions Wear self-contained breathing apparatus and protective suit. Evacuate personnel to safe areas. Ensure adequate ventilation. Avoid dust formation. Do not get in eyes, on skin, or on clothing. Environmental Precautions Do not flush into surface water or sanitary sewer system. Do not allow material to contaminate ground water system. Prevent product from entering drains. Local authorities should be advised if significant spillages cannot be contained. Should not be released into the environment. Methods for Containment and Clean Up Sweep up and shovel into suitable containers for disposal. Avoid dust formation Yeah looks real safe doc.

@jackjohnson4386

6 ай бұрын

+zakglove6536 Why are you copy-pasting info from the MSDS without citing anything about dose used in vaccines compared to the dosages described in the MSDS? You're either a complete idiot who shouldn't be talking about this topic, or you're being intentionally disingenuous. Which is it?

@Sceince01

5 ай бұрын

Why do you think your argument was debunked so easily ? Do you think had you been honest and put the dosages there would not be any need to post what you posted ?

@Sceince01

5 ай бұрын

@@jackjohnson4386awesome response

@zakglove6536

5 ай бұрын

@@Sceince01 Can you point me to studies where this was tested on babies? Google this study PMC7188190 it's on NIH. Do you still believe Anthony Fauci didn't lie to the American people?

We the people like to see your data. Ascertions are not fact guys. Interview RFK and let us decide otherwise your wasting airtime.

Right off the bat, “he (Joe Rogan) won’t have a scientist on because they’re not controversial.” Didn’t he have Hotez on twice?

Жыл бұрын

Peter Hotez’ flip-flopping might be seen as "controversial" by someone with more than two weeks of memory span (or alternatively, someone willing to retrieve what someone claimed in the past).

regardless what you think of RFK he has a captive audience so as a scientist you owe it to people to have an in depth conversation covering his claims and clearly refuting them with not personal attacks or smugness but with the studies and science as to why he is wrong.

@jimmyswaggart1189

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but did they not just do exactly that? How easy is it to actually just look up his claims and see that they are not true?

@dangremillion

Жыл бұрын

That would require a week long medical conference in Chicago at the Hilton. No one but Doctors and Scientists would attend; but they already know that RFK is FOS. All of these issues have been discussed as nauseum at medical meetings and i peer reviewed medical journals. You and others are simply not aware of that. No more than you are aware of topics discussion at a Space X meeting.

@lumbeejojonativedaughterdi9770

11 ай бұрын

N'yawęh. Well said. I do not understand their flat out reluctance to debate Mr. Kennedy. And I disagree that Mr. Kennedy is mean spirited. I don't see that at all.

@dangremillion

11 ай бұрын

@@lumbeejojonativedaughterdi9770How could you understand. One cannot debate a liar. If you have a scientific background and education raise your hand. Kennedy is not mean spirited. He is a liar, but how would you know. You have no frame of reference. Keep sitting in the duggout.

@marciasouthwick9748

11 ай бұрын

​@@dangremillion You don't have a problem with the FDA review process being largely funded by the drug companies they regulate? I am not anti-vaccine or anti-science. To reduce things down to either/or/for/against is a fake way to address problems. Pharma companies have been fined billions for causing harm and making false claims. Regulation needs to be real and objective. Either that or a lot of people will be sitting in the dugout next time around. Might as well just build more dugouts.

Plenty of scientists , not lawyers have pointed the finger at your lack of adequate placebos. Show us the studies that prove your "placebos" are inert. Ie aluminum

@Sceince007

Жыл бұрын

Lol show me those obviously dumb scientists,

Very dissappintint. Cant you correctly represent RFKs argument and refute it instead of lying?

This is very disappointing, I used to have a lot of respect and admiration for Paul Offit. But having actually listened to RFK Jr, I reconize that Paul is just straw manning.

@peterginsburg2465

Жыл бұрын

I listened to RFKjr and realized he's all BS.

Why do two scientists engage in repeated circular reasoning? Odd.

Thumbs up to America. 👍 Free and brave discussion without censorship or govt interference. * * Does not include Covid debacle.

This is hilarious, this podcast is almost exactly the same as Joe Rogan's podcast just a different view point, yet there is so much criticism of Joe Rogan's podcast? I don't know why "intellects" are so blinded by their beliefs but I suppose this happens when you treat your beliefs as religious truth. When a religion becomes a cult I guess the only people to see the hypocrisy are the ones outside of it.

The whole idea of getting medical advice from a lawyer is just bonkers, isn’t it?

@whatabouttrish

Жыл бұрын

Actually, I learned how levofloxacin caused tendon tears from a lawfirm. Lawyers have to know their stuff before filing a law-suit.

@cherriecarr2910

Жыл бұрын

the whole idea of getting medical advice from a bilionaire with no medical degrees is also bonkers wouldn't you agree? bill gates shouldn't be a leading expert on vaccines but here we are apparently.

@Binkyboy34

Жыл бұрын

@@whatabouttrish And yet RFK Jr. lies about vaccines because he doesn't know anything about them..

@Binkyboy34

Жыл бұрын

@@cherriecarr2910 When did Gates claim to be an expert in vaccines?

@ivermec-tin666

Жыл бұрын

@karenng298, the courts of law are our primary remedy for recompense in the case of malfeasance. The whole idea of marketing a therapeutic drug as if it were a vaccine in order to avoid liability is bonkers. But, that is precisely what has happened. If we didn't have the right to class action lawsuits, the Corporations would eat us for breakfast. Ronald Reagan made a tragic mistake in 1986, and we have all paid a high price for his naivety.

So you need to be responding to RFK Jr. but you just can't do it to his face? You just can't afford to allow him responding back to you and exposing who the actual fraud is? Me thinks he'd rip you to shreds

@Sceince007

Жыл бұрын

Lol you actually think that buffoon who is completely ignorant about medicine ( as proven by his lies and dangerous for children ideas ) can match these guys ? The only reason he had an advantage is because it se of his shamelessness with which he lies. He is only good for the dumbest .

@winnmatthews

11 ай бұрын

@@Sceince007 Excuses. So he's ignorant about medicine yet your side are scared shitless of him 🤣🤣 Should be easy to debunk him then with him present...yet your side can't do the easiest thing, so laughable...🐔

3:00 how do you know they're harmless if you don't test them? Crooks.

@haroldbrown5308

Жыл бұрын

On us? Tell us--this isn't Russia--yet!

Dr. Paul Offit both invented Rotavirus vaccine and was in a position to decide whether it should be approved and added to the childhood schedule. Huge conflict of interest, par for the course in the vaccine regulatory system.

@jaykanta4326

Жыл бұрын

So when he recused himself? That doesn't matter?

@whatabouttrish

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, Offit reclused himself from the actual vote. However, he was at the meeting to talk to other members on the committee.

@jaykanta4326

Жыл бұрын

@@whatabouttrish So?

@ivermec-tin666

Жыл бұрын

@@jaykanta4326 So, he did not fully recuse himself. He persisted to insinuate himself into the process. That was inappropriate, to put it mildly.

@jaykanta4326

Жыл бұрын

@@ivermec-tin666 You're quite a whiner. When his vaccine was pulled because a succeeding vaccine had a better safety profile, was that also inappropriate?

In the first 5 minutes you both make it clear you are arrogant or insecure. I would like a fact driven discussion from both sides. To make the claim you are correct about all facts and anyone who says otherwise is a liar screams insecurity. Then to make the claim you are too good and righteous to debate shows your insecurity as well. I’m sure you could make a compelling case with facts but your insecurities are so obvious it’s hard to trust anything you say

I just listened to your last podcast (from a few days ago) about yearly vaccinations for COVID. My response is relevant to this discussion. Yearly vaccinations? I'm sorry, but have we all lost our minds? I know more people who did NOT have the vaccine than who had it. Some of these people got COVID - mostly extremely mild - pretty much nothing. There was just one person I know who almost died from COVID - a 63 year old obese diabetic alcoholic. He was hospitalized and he eventually went home and back to work. I was like so many who believed that the vaccine experts who were chosen to be talking heads for 2 years had our best interests at heart. I would hear things from people who would be considered "anti-vaxxers" . They would be talking about the dissenting voices - those of other doctors and researchers who were saying very different things than the talking expert heads. But I never saw these other (dissenting, 'bad') doctors and researchers on any mainstream media like CNN, or my local stations. Finally, I listened to some podcasts and then I heard what some of these other researchers were saying. Still, I refused to believe that the talking expert heads were not telling the truth about the problems with the vaccine. Then, a few months ago I began to hear things ON MAIN STREAM MEDIA about how there WERE actually problems that had not been talked about publicly. These other doctors had been voicing legitimate concerns about the safety of the vaccines. Turns out there were people who should have been vaccinated and there were people who did not really need to be vaccinated. Turns out that it would have been a good idea to have some open conversations with all the experts to let people make informed decisions. THAT was when I started to question my initial beliefs. I realized that I had been manipulated into having the vaccines. I realized that I was not given all sides of the story. I was given the story for the stupid, gullible public - and I believed it! Well, I will NEVER be that stupid and gullible again. And there are plenty of people who feel exactly the way that I do. I am not an anti-vaxxer, I am not a MAGA type. What I AM now is someone who will never trust this type of government mandate. In fact, I am questioning my entire belief in government and the conventional medical community. The conventional medical community only wants to do something when people are sick. They NEVER really take seriously preventive measures. If they had, there would not be so many people dying with chronic illness that could have been prevented with lifestyle changes such as nutrition and exercise. But that takes time. Conventional doctors only want to give pills and vaccines because it is quick. Well we were not meant to live this way! We need honest government and honest medicine that focuses on prevention (e.g. Functional Medicine which focuses on nutrition and lifestyle). We need a paradigmatic shift in the way that we think of medicine - we need a shift to PREVENTION (P.S. Pfizer did not make enough money from the vaccines from their 'captive audience', so now they are peddling Paxlovid. This pharmaceutical is purported to decrease the amount of virus in the body for up to 6 months. Some of the side effects that we know of so far are: liver damage, high blood pressure and headaches)

@dannypapes8380

Жыл бұрын

you need to do some deep reflecting on what got you to this point

@lindaboos4518

Жыл бұрын

@@dannypapes8380 I have done a great deal of reflecting on trusting government and the medical establishment (read my post). I have reflected deeply on what some refer to as 'willful blindness' - something we are all capable of and that we all do. But thank you for pointing out that we should all reflect on why we trust government and the medical establishment at all - you are spot on

@debrashannon5964

Жыл бұрын

@@lindaboos4518You bring up an interesting issue. While the paywalls were down, I compared the mainstream reporting of the research with the actual content of the publications and discovered alarming discrepancies. But even more alarming is that nobody seemed to care. That became a puzzle in itself and I wasn’t the only person who noticed. Eric Weinstein hypothesized that many people need to trust institutions with a type of parent/child dependency. And to point out that the institutions were misleading them was a grave threat to their emotional security. Referring to the “Matrix”, given the choice, many people choose the “blue pill”. This could also explain the intense pushback that I’ve read in these comments to the mere suggestion that some of our assumptions may be wrong.

@peterginsburg2465

Жыл бұрын

So, the 1.2 million Americans who DIED from Covid, was just in their imaginations.

@peterginsburg2465

Жыл бұрын

@@debrashannon5964 Many of the articles written by main stream media types were either incorrect in their interpretations of pre-prints or used the pre-prints as accepted data. When the pre-prints were not accepted, the media never retracted their statements. And many of the published studies were disputed by the TWiV people in past podcasts. The majority of people are NOT versed in the science of different fields of study, so ANYTHING written about science, is either believed or not depending on what media people like. The people who do care, are scientists in the various disciplines who dispute papers in their field of study by directly contacting the authors or conducting competing experiments. But, these disputes seldom if ever get to the main stream media, who wouldn't understand the subject anyway. For people versed in the sciences, it's very frustrating to see so much misinformation and crap in the media.

It's apparent that Dr. Paul Offit lacks a comprehensive understanding of Joe Rogan and his podcast. The claim that the entire operation is primarily fueled by controversy to increase viewership is patently untrue. It might be more productive if Dr. Offit sticks to discussing topics he's more familiar with. His knowledge about podcasts seems outdated, almost as if he's a boomer struggling with modern technology. Even his audio quality reflects a lack of familiarity with the medium.

My brother with autism was born in the 50s. Autism was rare. So was ADHD RFK is saying that getting 70 vaccines might be contributing. In the 50s we got 3 shots. I think he was helping the kids in Flint with lead in the water. Give your kid a large glass of lead water.

@sithwolf8017

Жыл бұрын

False equivalence fallacy and an outright lie. Kids aren't given 70 vaccines. They are given 24 through out their lifetime. An lead in water has absolutely nothing to do with vaccines.

@zzane4677

7 ай бұрын

More likely just a result of destigmatization of gaining these services and the loosening of criterion for diagnoses. In some cases you tell some physician or midlevel you get antsy sometimes and you can walk out with prescription stimulants

you say "you want the vaccine to have everything except the antigen"..but then how do you know if overall it causes more good than harm?

@arielgabizon78

Жыл бұрын

and why wouldn't a comparison with a placebo that doesn't contain any of the ingerdients not tell you if there's an immune response?

@haroldbrown5308

Жыл бұрын

Or the other way around!