Nice review Jon. I rode the Springfield when it first came out. It fit me way better than the Road King, and it made me happy.

Had a Springfield and traded it to a chieftain limited. Both amazing bikes! Will never go back

As a former chief 111 owner and now a Chieftain limited 116 rider they are awesome. The challenger gearbox and power of the motor is fantastic. The handling of the scout through to the chief, ftr, Chieftain and challenger are fantastic rides so well balanced and smooth.

Jon love your reviews your channel is the only Channel I watch if I want to really know about a motorcycle.

The Harley looks pretty sharp but it's real hard not to choose the Indian I think Im leaning that way...

That’s my dream bike, bro! Thanks for doing a test ride so I can watch and daydream when it’s freezing cold here in Utah 😁

I love the springfield...open baggers are my style.. The sage green dark horse looks amazing..sndis get this over a king cause there's less on the road...I'd rather have something i won't see a dozon other dudes riding..

@kettabee

3 жыл бұрын

I have yet to see a vintage dark horse on the road. But I totally agree about not wanting the same as everyone else.

Love those Indian motorcycles! They just keep getting better and better 👍

Rocking a Dixxon flannel I see! Very nice review man!

I tested a few Indian back before the new motors. What I noticed was the powerband was somewhere between a Harley and Japanese cruisers. So less off the line grunt but you didn't have to wrong it out either. I am 5'10" with long arms so the stock riding position was pretty much perfect for me. But I can definitely understand why you might want pullbacks.

Hi bro nice stuff as always great test ride🕶🇦🇺👍

These demo rides are great. You're giving these bikes free advertisement now while figuring out what to pick up on the used market later. 👍 👨‍👩‍👧 ❤

@JonsMotoGarage

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, guys!

Nice looking bike. Great review!

I might have to buy the sporty Indian . They are great bikes. Another good video brother. Hope your hanging in there.

@JonsMotoGarage

4 жыл бұрын

Heck yeah! I saw a 2019 brand new for $10k at the dealer. Still a bit high for my liking, but a good sign that prices will be coming down once they're on the used market.

I test drove this and loved it👍 wanted to move the bars forward but awesome overall

I just realized you’re in my neck of the woods. This looks like north Scottsdale by the Go Az and Costco. Dope! Love the videos man.

@JonsMotoGarage

4 жыл бұрын

Heck yeah! I'm a bit south in chandler, but still pretty close. Thanks, brotha!

Man oh man brother , you make me wanna go buy me an Indian!!!! But I just can't justify spending that kind of money for a bike ,Soooooo I'll just keep on racking up the miles on my 04 Roadstar Silverado , picked her up for 3,500 bucks and she's a real beauty , and just put on some RoadBurner Double Eagles , no baffles , K&N air intake and did a full Dynojet jet kit , and man that ol girl WOKE UP!!! Great video , Really enjoyed watching it!!👍👍

I have the 2019 heritage almost got the road King but happy with the one I picked , it just came off the truck wasn't even put together yet , this was a year ago .

@TheTripleDubya

4 жыл бұрын

Out of the Harleys you chose well, the Heritage feels weird to me because of the size difference but ultimately the ride is what counts and in that area the Heritage rides better and the Indian rides better again. I own the Road King and yes it is pretty good but its chassis and suspension setup is decades behind the Heritage or the Indian. The Indian has a Fox shock in the rear and a much more supple yet not spongy front end. Sure the Road King is a classic bike so is the Springfield Classic or the Chief Vintage for that matter (apples for apples and all that) but ultimately if you're doing the miles the mono shock bikes will be better but if you're only doing a couple of miles or you weigh under 80kg the Road King will be alright. I've done about 70,000 kilometres or 47,0000 miles on the Road King and yeah the Indian will come out on top until HD updates its Touring chassis, I am myself wondering what to do, stay HD with the Heritage or go for the Indian and a bunch of new riding gear ! Ha ha ha

@roberthicks7761

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheTripleDubya me being 245 pounds and 63 years old the heritage is a dream for me .

@mitchellburke6376

4 жыл бұрын

I have a '20 Heritage and I absolutely love it. I've ridden a ton of Indians, but I'll take my Heritage any day

Thanks for the ride! I'll pick my rks all day long. Love that bike!!! 😃

I have a Springfield Dark Horse on order! Moving from 2007 Honda 1300 VTX. Cant Wait.

Thanks for showing 👍

For me this is the perfect bike, i liked the road king but springfield fit me like i was born for it.i bought one in 2020 then for shot runs i bought a scout bobber in 2022, i am going to get a challenger in 24 but will never sell the springfield. Its my favorite bike of alltime

What bars were those in the Road king?

That dark horse edition is sick!!!! Beautiful bike

I love my Springfield Dark Horse..i just wish there was more after market parts. I can't even get a Memphis Shades windshield like they do for the Road Kings...

@FranBunnyFFXII

4 жыл бұрын

Sadly its because Indian barely sells any bikes compared to harley so it's too risky for companies to do research and development to make aftermarket parts.

@DFord301

4 жыл бұрын

FranBunnyFFXII yea you’re probably right. I just hope Polaris doesn’t dump Indian like they did Victory in 10yrs 🤔

Although some of the Indian video used was the chief Dark Horse and not the Springfield.

The ad at the beginning was actually a Cheif Dark Horse. Both great bikes but I prefer the look of the Springfield a little more with the hard bags.

I still can't figure out what's the difference between chief and Springfield. A little different rake and hard bags . Is that it?? People compare chief to the softails but chief is a lot bigger than a Softail.

Are you gonna give it a JonScore?

If I am not mistaking the motorcycle at second 0:50 is a Chief dark horse and not a Springfield

I have test rode the dark horse, but i like roadking more for its look and finish.

The b-roll you were using was of the Vintage darkhorse (previously the chief darkhorse) not the springfield darkhorse.

Don't mess with the Road 👑! Dyna Diva and Chatterbox for the Win. Poppin Jon is your Road Name. Enjoy your Easter, Stay safe.

@JonsMotoGarage

4 жыл бұрын

hahaha! Thanks, brotha

Great review. Excellent machine! 1st

Is it me or is audio only on the right channel?

Every time I go on a demo ride, there's always one or two guys that you really want to avoid. The dude ahead of you on the grey bike ticks that box. Something about his riding seems sketchy.

@taylor2105

4 жыл бұрын

@@SkinnySkates Yep, I've never seen an actual crash. But I've had a guy lose it and fly right by me while we slowed down on a very tight corner. He acted like it wasn't a big deal, but he was inches away on that Harley. I saw a guy go right sideways down shifting extremely hard on a set of train tracks. Somehow he caught it I go to check out the bikes too, but I buy and sell enough of them that I'd be likely to buy a bike if it stood out enough(the havnt stood out enough to pay new price on many yet) There are always those bad riders like you say

Nice..😎BIG bike's!!😎 my personal favorite is the chieftain.. haven't seen the challenger yet 🙄 Indian would love my business.. they send me mail religiously.. 🤔maybe some day..👍

Dude the little commercial clips you had were the chief dark horse not the Springfield.

Definitely a nice bit of machinery

Also I wish these companies would do demo rides where i'm at but it seams like they only stick to the southern states and I live 30 minutes from Polaris Industries in Roseau MN where Indian is made.

Please tell me those tank stickers are easily removable? Stock the bike is ugly. Those fenders have got to go.

Where’s the corners?

The vid in this review is ALL over the place! Beginning at 0:47... I would mark every spot you have a different model shown than the Springfield Dark Horse, but just don't have enough time. Pretty egregious at 0:47 and 1:15 as that is CLEARLY a Chief Dark Horse...

Top speed?

bro I gotta say Im liking the reviews. Should do these more often

Jon that's a copy of the RK for sure and did Indian mention the major recall on the Challenger? Nice review😎

@JonsMotoGarage

4 жыл бұрын

Just looked into the recall...vid to come! Lol. Thanks, brotha!

Should do a longer ride review

Indian is the only way to go. Love mine, and I've road a lot of bikes including the Road King.

LOUD and PROUD 👍😎

Thought this was a Adam Sandoval Rides video from the thumbnail

The new Indians are well made but I just can’t get past the genders and the weary plastic look. I’ll keep my King police edition. The one thing I doo like better is the floor board position. A little more forward and the upward angle is comfortable. Great review

took out a 2020 RKS earlier this year wanting to love it and make a deal day of. after solo ride. it was Meh. was totally disappointed in the ride. new 114 was great but the suspension/handling was lacking. Took new darkhorse out and totally blew it away. 114 was smoother but the ride was so much better than harley. I cant see paying RKS price and then drop another g on rear suspension

@starrider1900

4 жыл бұрын

Enjoy your resale value

@ridetilltheend

4 жыл бұрын

@@starrider1900 how many people truly base vehicle decisions on resale value? Maybe if you are a collector I ride or drive. My raced wrx has 111k my daily JK that I wheel has 113k. I believe most people could care less on resale

@starrider1900

4 жыл бұрын

@@ridetilltheend I'm just saying The fit and finish on a Harley Davidson is top notchThe main reason I did not buy an Indian Motorcycle was I felt like I was just be buying another metric motorcycle

@ridetilltheend

4 жыл бұрын

@@starrider1900 I can't disagree with you on that RKS is beautiful built machine.

@bolreig8840

4 жыл бұрын

Best place to see Harley resale values? All the traded in Harleys at Indian dealerahips.

Polaris is trying to compete with Harley and I expect that to push Harley to improve certain areas.

@kramerdm

3 жыл бұрын

Not trying! They are definitely competing with HD!

@misterj5045

3 жыл бұрын

@@kramerdm I'm not quoting solid statistics but I believe Harley has around 30% total new sales in 2020, with the various Japanese imports holding the majority of sales under this. Indian is difficult to find numbers on but I believe they are lumped together into the remaining 15%. You are correct in stating that they are competing, as anyone selling a product in the same market is just that, a competitor, but I don't think they have the sales numbers yet. Competition is generally a good thing for the consumer and pushes brands to improve, knowing that they aren't the only game in town.

@misterj5045

3 жыл бұрын

I guess what I dislike about the Indian motorcycles is how closely they seem to mimic the existing HD models being sold in styling and appearance. I know they tweaked them mechanically and added more of a classic appearance to the styling of some of their bikes, but they haven't shown me originality, and trying to clone someone else's work pisses me off.

I love my indian

I’ll stick with my CVO Pro Street Breakout

I've got a couple Harleys, with all the trouble they are in I am pushing towards Indian Challenger for my next bike.

Maybe I'm biased but something about them just doesn't do it for me

I know both bikes very well and it in no way compares to the road king. The Indian looks beautiful but it’s mostly plastic and reminds me of a Japanese bike. The road king feels planted while the Indian does not.

Your riding and reviewing a Springfield dark horse, but it keeps cutting out to a indian video of a chief dark horse 🤔

The rocker boxes, and rear fender are so beyond hideous. It doesn't look good to me, but tht is just me. I like some of the Indian line up, and I REALLY dig the FTR1200. Harley has the new 1250custom flat tracker for 2021 to compete with it. The new 1250custom is alleged to have more power than the FTR1200 (120HP) while the 1250Custom is said to have 145HP, but even if it has more power the looks and other upsides of the FTR would have me pick the Indian over Harley for once in my life, but that may change when I see the 1250custom in person. Either way, I will own one of them in the next year or so!

I can appreciate what Polaris did with the Victory brand. They tried to do everything better than HD and they did that. Killing off that brand for the Indian name was a bad move in my opinion. The bikes may be great but why emulate HD when its bikes are good to ride? HD and Polaris must be smoking too much good shit, Jon! And HD killing the Dyna line. Go figure. .

@CactusJack252

4 жыл бұрын

upside downdog when you look at sales numbers it is obvious why victory was discontinued. Victory also never made a profit while it was open. I wish they didn’t close down but not enough people bought their bikes.

@upsidedowndog1256

4 жыл бұрын

@@CactusJack252 That is very true. They were better bikes than HD ever thought about making except for maybe the VRod. My point is leave stupid bikes to HD, they will drown in its "success", Victory should have gone a different direction. The Japanese 4 effectively killed HD and the Brit bikes. No doubt why, electric start and brakes that worked, electronics too. AMF gave HD a lifeline that got them to here. They did good for a few decades after but their fan base is dwindling fast. Victory should have done "different". Indian is more of the same crap in a dwindling market.

80% of the fun in a Harley is building it specifically for you and I just don’t see that in an Indian like I do Harley

@scoutandscooter

4 жыл бұрын

Really? 80%? Just seems like a waste of money and time. I've been riding my Yamaha Stratoliner for eleven years. Only modification is an engine guard (which should have been standard).

@DuartesGarage

4 жыл бұрын

Scott Edson My pops has been riding his road glide for 20, it was the only thing he ever bought new and he’s put over $100,000 into that bike. I’m 19 and bought my dyna for $4000 and plan to work my ass off to make it look like it doesn’t belong to a 57 year old man’s bike with leather saddle bags and meat hook apes. When something is your passion spending money isn’t the first concern

It looks better and faster than road king for sure

The biggest perk to an Indian is you don’t have to deal with the asshats at the HD dealership taking shot to you and then have to get in their face and shut them down for being total asshats and disrespecting your ride that you came to the HS dealership on if it’s anything but a HS- ridden 46 years and owned dozens of bikes- I love MOTORCYCLES- HD salesmen only love hd and will talk to you like shit if you come up there on anything else- had it happen many times and the reason HD is the only bike I would never consider owning anymore.

It's pretty sweet Jon. but H-D has the 131 !😎

@JefferyT

4 жыл бұрын

For how much over MSRP?

@sivvinod3187

3 жыл бұрын

@@JefferyT 35 grand.

@sivvinod3187

3 жыл бұрын

@@JefferyT it's already 25k stock, and 131 costs 10k.

i need to get me one of these

That's not a Springfield dark horse. It's a chief dark horse.

Isn’t that a chief? Springfields come with bars andbags

RK is prettier and made for a small fellow..more cool...springfield is made for a big fellow. ...better handling and power.

Id have to ditch that front fender, trade it for the one on the bagger...its hideous...

I just wish they would get rid of the rear wheel side-skirts, an open wheel looks much better

“Indian” makes Cool looking bikes but I can’t see past the Polaris. They seem alright but they aren’t an “Indian” motorcycle to me. Polaris bought a badge. They make cool side by sides and stuff but they can’t say that they have the heritage of the Harley or the old Indian brand. Honestly though I like to take my bikes on the twisties so I wouldn’t buy a road king either.

@mikesideburns9791

4 жыл бұрын

Dude no offense but that's your problem. "Old" Indian is not coming back. I am just happy they are keeping an American brand alive at this point. And this is coming from a guy who owns a Harley. I may go Indian next time because of Harley's shenanigans with their sourcing.

I prefer the Road King. The Springfield Dark Horse looks ugly IMO. Those fender skirts? No way! The way the engine looks turns me off too. Those other Indian Baggers look a lot better to me. So did the scrambler. Stay safe and healthy

@myrongrant8240

4 жыл бұрын

Pics in video is not a Springfield dark horse Springfield dark horse has saddle bags

Looks like a pretty sweet ride! Also if anyone is in search of a Dyna! Hit me up! 2010 Dyna Super Glide

@furians601

4 жыл бұрын

Wyatt Fuchs price

@wyattfuchs6839

4 жыл бұрын

I_H8_OLD_PPL 10,000 if you search the Las Vegas area on Craigslist you can see pictures of it

@wheelman8637

4 жыл бұрын

Mileage?

@wyattfuchs6839

4 жыл бұрын

Wheel Man 17,600 miles roughly, since I’ll be riding it until I sell it

The guy leading that demo ride needs to chill before he gets someone hurt. No reason to be hauling ass and riding like that on a demo. Just my opinion...

@joshuastelter8074

4 жыл бұрын

Right he acts like he's on a sportbike

@JonsMotoGarage

4 жыл бұрын

Lol. No joke. It was a wild demo ride!

@2wheelobsessed

4 жыл бұрын

Gas Works Garage Looks like a great demo to me, you don’t know what a bikes got if you can’t try it out

Nah man. It's still a [brand y]. [Brand x]s are way more special.

Were you afraid to add some volume to your video. I couldn’t hear a damn thing.

Cool bike but that from fender is fugly

I'm pretty sure Indian makes a pretty good bike but I never have been a fan old ones new ones I just don't get my nipples twisted by anything there Indian makes.

Indians look nice sound nice, but those thunderstrokes rocker boxes look like mushrooms

Road King Special and Springfield Dark Horse are super closely matched but the RKS comes out in edge with value in terms of accessory prices, and minor details. Like the RKS comes with a stock standard set of crashbars, which indian charges 410$ for the front. Indian and Harley both have a rear crashbar saddlebag protector, and Indian charges 310$ for theirs, and harley charges 250$, Then there's the oil cooler, which is stock on the Harley, but costs 310$ for the indian plus labor, because indian does not let you install it yourself and maintain your warranty. So if you tit for tat price match the bikes, the RKS is $23K, and the SDH is $23.2K Once you got into accessories though, which everyone who rides these kinds of bikes, always do... Indian starts really taking the expensive crown to heart. The RKS has more power down low and for longer, and the Indian has more power up top, but for a shorter range. Bu the RKS has the advantage of uber amounts of upgrades that the indian cant' get because IIRC the TS116 stock is just a TS111 manufactured with that bigbore cylinder set as stock. You'd get way more out of the RKS than Indian, but you could save a few bucks getting the indian if you like it stock standard.

@CactusJack252

4 жыл бұрын

FranBunnyFFXII I would buy the standard chieftain over the SDH. Why not get the fairing and all for pretty much the same price? You can also get the Electra glide standard for 19k

@Paiste18

4 жыл бұрын

I would have to disagree with this. I got my Springfield Dark Horse for 21,000 out the door, I priced a Road King and I was at 22,000 OTD. The only mods needed were Slip-ons and an LED headlight. It comes with Mini Apes already. If I bought a Road King, I would have to first start off with changing out all the marker lights to LED (which should be standard IMO) , slip-ons, Bars, LED Headlight, I mean your are going spend a lot more out of the box with the Harley, and that's just getting it up to where the Indian is out of the gate. Because putting in LED lights all the way around isn't mods, its just what should be, plus the Indian has, ride control, tire sensors, better ride, more power, Power locking bags. It's just my opinion, but having owned both the Indian is the way to go!

@FranBunnyFFXII

4 жыл бұрын

@@Paiste18 No. the Dark Horse does not have more power. The M8 has more power than the TS111. This has been shown several times with Dynographs. The TS111 is 74HP, 100TQ Rear Wheel The M8 107 is 81hP, 98.5TQ Rear Wheel The M8 114 is 86HP. 107TQ Rear Wheel. Also the Dark Horse Springfield does not have LED Lamps all around. The headlamp is Halogen. You pricing up a Road King Standard which is 2000$ less than the Springfield, comes with a windshield, dual crash bars standard, and passing lamps. So no, you're not getting more out of the box from indian. You get a few nicknack features, but it seems you aren't even aware of what you actually get standard on that bike. You got a lucky deal at the dealership. That is all that happened here. You got Lucky. Means they had a model there that they sprused up to get someone to buy it. You were in the right place at the right time. This could happen at a Harley dealer too. You cannot judge a lucky sale vs MSPR and market value products. We're talking actual MSRP here, not sales. You got lucky. That is all. This is why people need to do their research before buying.

@Paiste18

4 жыл бұрын

@@FranBunnyFFXIIAlso my price was on a RK Special. That's comparable to a Dark Horse

@FranBunnyFFXII

4 жыл бұрын

@@Paiste18 Still doesn't negate the fact that you got lucky. RKS at that price is also a great deal. You cant debate at price points when you got lucky. That sorta stuff doesnt apply to everyone. When talking about price and value, you have to use nominal values, not anecdotes. M8 114 is more powerful than the TS116 btw. TS platform still only has 2 valves per cylinder. M8 has 4, and dual spark plugs. If you had to pay MSRP on both bikes, the RKS would be a better deal in terms of stock features.

The road king is KING for a reason 👍

Really, Indian is the Harley killer. My favourite one is chief dark horse

The fact that Indian has been in and out of business several times will never make them better then Harley! Done!

Hello hello hello hello hello

Short answer, no.

First

Still a polaris

Nope

.::And the winner is?....Road King 😁😁 🥳🥳🥳🥳

Indian! Lol

It will never give the road king a run got it’s money that thing is all plastic.

And at the end of the day its just another rebadged victory trying to be a Harley

@jasonstover1471

4 жыл бұрын

In the end it's a Polaris trying to be better than anything Harley has released

@Stoney-Lawson

4 жыл бұрын

@@jasonstover1471 and it never will be.

@everettbranscom6536

4 жыл бұрын

And it IS better than anything Harley has released. Almost everyone I know that's been on both machines admits that the Indian is the better motorcycle. Harley's been at the bottom of the motorcycle world for some time.

@jasonstover1471

4 жыл бұрын

As someone that had spent a whole day test drive Harley's at the dealer the other day And driving motorcycles for almost 10 years I decided to buy a 2013 Victory highball over a new Harley street Bob or low rider

Indian is the best, sorry Harley.

Pretty sweet but it ain’t a Harley.

It’s not a bike that interest me would rather have a road king

Indian will always be the second best American motorcycle out there 👍🏻