Bought my ‘20 R1250R new in early ‘20, and four riding seasons I love it every bit as much on that first day…best bike I’ve ever owned in decades of riding.

@BikerTorque

10 ай бұрын

Great to hear! Agree they are wonderful bikes

Made the same mistake 2011 R1200r Classic in Black. After 6 years and a couple of S1000Xrs (Quick shifter is just crazy perfect) Probably due to the inline four. Now ordered 2024 Triple Black with just about everything as this will be a keeper. If you can only have one bike, this could be the best investment you could make.

@BikerTorque

9 ай бұрын

Good move ordering the 2024. I think unless you’ve ridden an R you’ll never understand. Thanks for watching. I think the quick shifter in the S1000XR is the same as the one in the S1000RR and M1000R, if so agree, it’s absolutely perfect, best I’ve ever used

Since 1994 I have owned many R models; 850, 1200 , and the 1250. did love all of them. In 2021 I bought the GS triple black. I was amazed , despite increased size and weight, the GS was much more comfortable both in the seating position and suspension. The GS was deceptively easy to handle as well. I do think that the R series is very underrated and a great roadster; however, if you are going on long tours or lightweight off-road, the GS is the better choice. As I once heard, the R series is the gentleman’s hooligan bike 😂!

@BikerTorque

6 ай бұрын

A gentleman’s hooligan bike is a very accurate description

Like your channel, recently discovered and subbed. Sold my newly bought R1250R (2021) recently to get a Kawasaki Z900RS and after a few weeks very much regret it. Happy to say the person who bought my BMW is willing to sell it back to me and I'm not doubting that for one second. It's not especially a looker, but that R did everything SO well I really hated myself to selling it. The Z900RS is great but it's way 'less' of a bike than the R1250R.

@BikerTorque

10 ай бұрын

Feel exactly the same way about the R1200R I sold, although I did eventually replace it with an R18 which is also a wonderful bike but for different reasons and so much style and character. I’ll probably buy another R at some point. The Z900RS is still a great bike though.

@lapinobel

10 ай бұрын

@BikerTorque yeah it, but after riding the R1250R for about 2 years and done 6500km on it, it's hard to go back to a 4cyl with less torque, less power and less tech. The RS is still amazing looking and pretty good for the money but the BMW was more a 'tool' for me and for that it's amazing.

My 2016 Cordoba Blue R1200R makes me smile and happy every single day!!! I will never sell it.

@BikerTorque

5 ай бұрын

I regret selling mine

The best all rounder in the world.y too had a bmw r1200 r blue ,sold it with 83.000km.

@BikerTorque

10 ай бұрын

100% agree

What you refer to as castor is actually trail, whereas castor is another term for rake. Rake is the angle of the steering head compared to vertical, and trail is the horizontal distance from where the front wheel touches the ground to where the steering axis would intersect - draw an invisible line extending from the suspension through the axle onto the ground. Greater trail typically results in more stability at high speeds, while a smaller trail can make the bike more agile for quick turns and maneuvers. The R was designed for lower-speeds and shorter distances, thus no fairing or windscreen, and higher maneuverability vs the RS.

@BikerTorque

9 ай бұрын

thanks for clarifying.

Outstanding bike! I’ve owned a 1200GS and 1250GS in Colorado and Tennessee. When I moved to Florida, I bought a 1250R. Great road bike. Subbed! 🤘

@BikerTorque

9 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more! Outstanding bike. Thanks for watching

I am torn between this and the new Moto Guzzi V100. With castor, think shopping trolleys how the wheel can spin and be either in a more forward centre axis (RS) or with the centre access in line with the forks or rake (R). The slight increase in wheelbase promotes stability but negates turn in. I found this on test riding both bikes recently. With the ugly nav mount, you can at least get the phone cradle that adapts this to be a phone dock that can then power turn by turn nav on the tft. Again, awesome review, great to see such an awesome Australian channel.

@Vegesaurus7

11 ай бұрын

Snap. Those would be my two dream bikes. V100 or r1250r. I just wish I could afford either. 😂

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

Thanks mate, glad you like the channel. Tough choice between those two bikes. We are getting a V100 soon, hopefully October, can’t wait to ride it

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

Nip, that still doesn’t help me with wheel castor😂😂😂. Thanks for watching

@user-iz6yt7uq3b

3 ай бұрын

​@@Vegesaurus7 I have a Moto Guzzi V7 and the R1250R. I think the V100 or the new Stelvio are the only bikes I would ever consider buying if I had my R stolen😄

I agree, I have a 2023 R1250R triple black and love it, a great do almost everything machine.

@BikerTorque

7 ай бұрын

100%, regret selling mine

@benjaminmahoney7108

7 ай бұрын

I have the same '23 R1250R. Iv had ducatis and triumphs....also had a '16 R NINE T. The R1250R is simply the best bike iv ever ridden and owned

I recently bought the r1250r Triple Black and it is easily the best bike ive ever had. I've done 1000kms in the first week so it needs a service already lol. Its a great ride!! Ps...You can locate the wheel castor next to the skyhook.

@BikerTorque

10 ай бұрын

Yes, those pesky Skyhooks, I knew I had one of those somewhere. Thanks for watching, glad you like your R1250R

I've got a 2020 model, a fantastic bike in every regard. I had a nav 6 included for free when l bought it, l unbolted the mount and they sit on the shelf though l'll refit it for a trip to the eastern states later this year.

@BikerTorque

10 ай бұрын

Agree, they are fantastic but sadly seem to get overlooked

I had the R1250RS for the last 2 years, did a few Euro trips on it. The Metz tyres from factory were terrible, once scrubbed out, fitted the Mitch Road 6, these did transform the bike, but still a little wooden, I also swapped the Beemer panniers for the Hepco & Becker, Xceed. Easy fit & top loading. I always felt I had to slightly wrestle the bike (RS) into bends etc, nothing wrong, just not as flickable as I was used to. I got an R1250R loan bike while the RS was in for a service. It handled so much better. So much so, when it was time to replace the RS, I got the R1250R. So much better & more fun. With the screen, not much difference in weather protection either, which sounds crazy I know, but its pretty good. Just need to scrub the tyres out now for the Mitch Road 6. The reason for the fun handling I believe, is the front axle. On the RS, it's kicked out about an 1", in front of the bottom of the forks for stability. On the R, the axle is directly below the forks, giving direct steering without that weight.... Oh. And the Xceed panniers went straight on too..... Tons of space for our up coming Spanish trip... Great review, cheers...

@BikerTorque

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing, good to see its not just me that preferred the R over the RS. Having said that, I’ve just handed back a Moto Guzzi V100S Mandello which is potentially a better all round bike than both. I do love the R1250R though, respectable bike with a dash of hooligan

@inked-96

6 ай бұрын

Have you put a screen on the 1250R at all?

@jontaylor5322

3 ай бұрын

@@inked-96 Sorry for the delay. It did come with the clear beemer screen already fitted, not massive, but spoiled the lines a bit, just fitted a black Puig screen, though to call it a screen is a bit of a stretch, it just comes upto the top of the SatNav, as I moved the SatNav up above the screen for easier use... Still to actually test this one in rain, but it's more of a Bikini screen as on the Speed Triples, so probably not as good. But if touring in winter, I'll chuck the beemer screen back on....

I go the 2023 R1250R sport model (the blue one) and love it.. chose it over the superduke, both streetfighters, Speed Triple RS, h2sx and the tuono. A way better street bike than the rest due to the torque everywhere (felt the same as the superduke until around 7-8000 rpm), and it changes direction as easily as the others too (the others would be better suited to the track however). People think these are heavy but after pulling the centre stand off (it limited lean angle to 48 degrees, now I can get to 51), removing the panier mounts, the horrbile top box mount and ghastly nav mount... I dropped 8kg off the bike. So now it sits and around 230kg (full of fuel).. (noting that most bikes list their weights as dry).

@BikerTorque

23 күн бұрын

Absolutely agree with your thoughts on the R1250R, wonderful bike and definitely doesn’t feel heavy. Sounds like some good weight reduction options also, and that nav mount, for the life of me I can’t work out why that’s not just an option if you need it. Thanks for watching

Mine is a 2022. When I bought it, I remember the dealer telling me something about it being a gentleman’s bike. I will not let this one go that’s for sure. I’ve heard too many stories about guys trading these things in and they deeply regretted it. So I just keep it babied.

@BikerTorque

Ай бұрын

Still wish I had my R1200R. It’s certainly a gentleman’s hooligan bike if you want it to be.

What a nicely customized R65---hope you still have it.

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

Thanks mate, my R65 is a never sell bike, my sons can fight over it one day. Owned it for 23 years, my dad owned it before me, and my Uncle in San Francisco owned it before that from about 1985. I had the custom build done in 2014/15. Don’t ride it anywhere near as much as I’d like to. It’s a like all airheads, for the first 15 minutes on it you thinks it’s going to shake itself apart, then everything warms up and loosens up and the grin while riding it just gets bigger and bigger.

Yeah, a do it all bike. Just upgraded to R1200R but keeping my R1150R for a different ride and visitors to use until the missus notices I have 2 bikes. Mine has a skid plate (!) and I added radiator mesh, hugger, front engine protector and handlebar deflectors so might try 80/20 tyres for the gravel tracks here in Spain.

@BikerTorque

2 ай бұрын

Do you notice a big difference between the 1150 and the 1200? Big difference between the 1200 and 1250, and I’m sure the 1300R will be another giant leap once it arrives. Have ridden the 1300GS, loved it

@cheetsoldboynewbie5708

2 ай бұрын

The R1150R oilhead was a significant step forward from the old classic beemers but doesn't hide it's weight well - but that along with Tele lever front, stability, super comfort and relaxed torque engine make it a better long distance tourer. Later twin cam R1200R much lighter, significant power hike more spirited but seem to be overpriced hence I went for an R1200R giving me my first ABS, Traction/Modes and Electronic Suspension (62yr & only 5'8" so that'll help keep me biking more) Lets see if i like it as much after next tour Spain ferry to N.Italy, Slovenia, Croatia.

I bought a 2021 model as my first bike and really love it. The Nav 6 is not that bad but there are cheap Adapters for using the orig. Nav holder with other Navigation Systems like Garmin XT so i am fine with this. However, recently I got a R18 for a week as my bike got it‘s service and now I debatting with myself if I should exchange the R1250 for the R18c or the new Roctane. I only can have one bike so both are no option. The R18 was so much fun but I am not sure if this would be a good exchange as luggage and comfort could be an issue on longer distances.

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

That’s a tough call between the R18 and the R1250, the R18 just has so much character,

Yes been waiting for your thoughts on this one. This would be a dream bike for me. But I agree about the GLS unit so ugly on a minimalist bike. And also the Greg colour way is a bit plain. Your blue one looked much nicer.

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

Yes my Cordoba Blue R1200R was a lovely colour.

I have a R1250R. Had it for 3 years now. from brand new. Took ages to choose a new bike. Good points: 1. Similar public road performance to a ZX10 (acceleration times). 2. Handles superbly, guises its weight very well. Loves twisty fast flowing roads. Never feel intimidated. 3. Low centre of gravity. Would have dropped other bikes at junctions by now. 3. Very good fuel consumption, 60 to 65 mpg. 4. Outstanding low down grunt. No need to drop gear at road speed. 5. It is a naked, but the shape actually keeps the wind and rain of your body very well (better than my Suzuki GSXR750 I had of late). It is a naked, if one likes naked bikes. 6. Cheap to service. 7. Cheap to insure. Not so good/bad points: 1. Bugger to start in cold weather with a cold engine. In fact so bad, I am stressed, 'Will it start?' Okay in summer. 2. The quick shifter locks on down shift (don't use it), but actually is fine and smooth on acceleration (that is when one really needs it). 3. Don't buy if you like working an engine, such as a straight 4. It pulls rather than builds the revs. 4. The engine sound is mediocre, not bad on acceleration.

@BikerTorque

4 ай бұрын

Never had an issue starting mine in winter, having said that, it doesn’t ever really get all that cold in Sydney

@malcolmabram2957

4 ай бұрын

@@BikerTorque Thank you for your reply. I get - 5 C. 10 C above no problem.

@BikerTorque

4 ай бұрын

@@malcolmabram2957 -5C, that’s to cold for me. Very rarely get’s to under 10C here where I am

I must agree 👍 R its most fun and has best acceleration. Personally i choose RS since it had more "trail" and its more stabile at high speed. (Rake forks angle its the same, but on the bottom of firk legs the pivot/axe mountingpoint uts different - pushed forward. (I changed to tubular bars to make it more easierto turn) love windprotection and stability on the highway. RT an GS have telelever and maks me feel disconnected from the data/feelings where front wheel its. But must say wheelbase and gearing feelt beter on RT than GS in geberal i think its faster and more flickable than GS and RS. Shorter wheelbase allowed wheelies and fast changing of direction... unfortunately less stsbile at high speed. 1st place R, 2nd RT, 3rd RS and... GS 4th. It was thecpricecand high speed stability that lead me to buy RS.

@BikerTorque

7 ай бұрын

GS fourth, that’s a surprise. Looking forward to getting on the new GS next year.

@perimund

7 ай бұрын

@BikerTorque new GS its a different story.. finally they got in the right way... less it more. (Referring to weight and size) it's a total turnover. Nothing to do with old bike and have the same character and "purpose of use" everything the same only alot times better

Hi, really appreciated the video, although I disagree: ai tested the R and RS and I’d say the R does not necessarily handle better, it’s more flickable but less stable, so at the end of the day it depends on what you prefer ✌️

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

That’s interesting that you found it less stable, not sure I noticed that but as mentioned yes certainly a bit more flickable. Thanks for watching.

Great review mate! Great perspective from your 2015 bike......I'm starting to think you like BMW's? 😉😄👍🍻

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

Lol, what gives you that impression. Cheers Jamie, glad you enjoyed it

It doesn't really make sense to postulate whether the Roadster is better than the RT or GS - it's horses for courses. But as you suggest, the Roadster is a fantastic all-rounder - it's the two wheel equivalent of a truly sporty SUV. I've had my 2015LC since new and covered over 120,000 fun-filled kilometres on all sorts of roads - commuting, daily errands, scratching and touring, on bitumen (good and bad) and gravel (I fitted a GS bash plate for good measure). Being a big twin with a lot of engine and gearbox inertia, the shift-assist is never going to be as slick as the four cylinder BMW's, but up/down changes above 3rd gear are as slick as you like on my 2015 if the revs are at a reasonable level. I found the 1250GS I rode in the European Alps last year seemed to bounce off the driveline dampener (fitted to 2016+ models) so not as smooth. The Nav Prep is part of the optional Touring Package - the importers tend to spec all their stock with this and other packages - all worthwhile if you can afford them, until you get to the Option 719 glitzy items (trying to gild the lily, in my view). In any case, it is very easy to remove and unplug the Nav Prep unit if you are not going to use it, and the Touring Package is still good value compared with buying the other items in the package separately. BMW do have a Connected Ride navigation capability, but I find a separate GPS unit works better for big trips. Around town, my RAM mounted Quadlock Charger Pad with iPhone are quicker and more convenient to use (despite some screen readability issues - the voice cues are good). BTW, castor is simply the distance between the tyre contact point and where the line of the steering stem meets the road surface. The difference between the R ad RS in this respect is that the RS forks have the axle offset.

@BikerTorque

10 ай бұрын

Bash plate sounds like a good addition

That's a coincidence ........ I've had my R1200R, from new, since 2015 and, in the same blue as the one you had. Fantastic machines and, my one and only BMW so far. Mine still rides like new and has more than enough grunt which is why I've never been tempted by the 1250 shift cam. I regularly get fuel returns of 68 mpg (imperial gallons). I can't really explain 'castor' to you but the reason the R has quicker steering than the RS can be seen quite clearly. Look at the very bottom fork casting on both bikes, on the R, the front wheel axle is in line with the fork leg centre line. Now, look at the RS, the axle is shifted, several mm, forward of the fork leg centre line. I guess this effectively increases the rake angle, hence slower steering but increased high speed stability. 8 years ago, the slower steering on the RS put me off although I liked the look of the small fairing ........ so, it had to be the R ....... no regrets at all. I agree, you should have kept yours. Having said all that, they aren't very popular here in the UK, I've only ever seen just a few in 8 years. Another great review, all the best Phil

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

Cheers Phil, the R1250R and R1200R models don’t seem to be very popular here either, everyone seems to buy the GS

@PAGallagher

11 ай бұрын

@@BikerTorque All I can say is that there are a lot of bikers, out there, who don't know what they're missing ...... as we both know 👍😊

I think more and more people will remove the Nav holder. Most likely they will replace it with a dedicated phone holder ( X-Grip or Quad Lock). The R Sport (very unfortunate designation IMO) has the blue colour very similar to what you had.

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

Agree that nav holder has to go

Yes, I rode the R1200R for 14 years and traded it last year, a mistake that I regret!

@BikerTorque

3 ай бұрын

Glad it’s not just me then

Love it, although not parting with my R1250GSA Triple Black for anything, I've my MT-10 in Tech Black for naked scratching...

@BikerTorque

8 ай бұрын

Just jumped off the Tracer 9 GT+, what a bike, haven’t ridden the MT10 but very excited about the new MT09 / XSR900 \ GTs and happy to say we will be getting all three from Yamaha in the first quarter of next year

@lifeiswarwarislife1972

8 ай бұрын

@@BikerTorque I've ridden the MY-09, current model, and think its incredible for the money, they build a better triple than Triumph, you'll love it, it feels great everywhere, have a great weekend, mate.

@BikerTorque

8 ай бұрын

@@lifeiswarwarislife1972 I took a demo of an older XSR900 for a 30 minute blast a few years ago and enjoyed it, so keen to get on one for a weeks, when they become available. But the weapon of choice for the next few weeks is the Ducati Desert X

@lifeiswarwarislife1972

8 ай бұрын

@@BikerTorqueThat'll be a nice ride, the Testastreta motors are fantastic, look forward to your review if you do one.

@BikerTorque

8 ай бұрын

@@lifeiswarwarislife1972 agree, the testasreta engine is great, delightfully raw, same engine as the Monster we reviewed about a month ago. Yes we will be doing a video on it, but might not have it up till early next year, got a few videos to get out before it.

Wheel castor is a specially finely ground form of sugar.

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

Ahhhh, that’s it😂😂😂

Your right about the nav holder, its ugly but also too low to be able to see easily. While were at it the BMW Nav6 is a bit crappy as well. Luckily this can be easily and cheapy resolved by changing to Wunderlich Nav holder which holds the nav above the speedo display and also buying a Garmin XT or XT2 instead of the Nav6. The whole set up is several hundred £'s less than the Nav6 and way better.. Night and Day difference. A brill bike for touring with great OEM luggage options, then I would say that as I happily have one.

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

Great to see an owner comment. Great bike, I can see myself buying one at some point

Hey, can you please tell me which model is shown in the models i mean european or usa or any other country's model because i checked usa & europe's bmw website but not a r1200r model with golden front suspension

@BikerTorque

Ай бұрын

Australian delivered 2023 R1250R and the Blue R1200R shown briefly in the video was my 2015 model

Got to love a BMW. Mate but come on where’s Tegan’s input?

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

Lol, I had this one when she was in Italy. But fear not, she’s back next week with our thoughts on another Beemer, the M1000R, hooley dooley what a bike

Hi from Russia with love... to bikes! ) PLZ tell me, does it really make sense to overpay for the r1250, or is this shiftcam marketing essentially, and will the r1200 really give the owner the same thing? I have heard more than once that the r1250 is not worth +50% of the cost of the r1200 on the secondary market (in Russia they ask for ~10k$ for the r1200 and almost 14-15K$ for the R1250). Unfortunately, we don’t have any factory guarantees - BMW has left the Russian market...

@BikerTorque

24 күн бұрын

Don’t get me wrong, the R1200R is a great bike but personally, if I had the money I’d go for the R1250R, it felt like a much sportier bike than the 1200

@TheDennzio

Күн бұрын

@@BikerTorque I've recently picked up a 2016 R1200R (that lovely blue) and love it , but sporty it isn't. It feels like I'm going to highside in a fast turn. I've yet to use the Dynamic mode but I can't imagine it will make much of a difference. Maybe I need new tires. Thanks for your review.

Had it, sold it, regret it

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

You and me both.

I dunno man. This bike just doesn't grab me. I think I may think differently if I see it in the flesh... I mean, I love all bikes.

@BikerTorque

11 ай бұрын

I reckon if you ride one Chewie you’d change your mind.

@user-rc8oy1nm1d

10 ай бұрын

Looks are a personal thing but they're a great bike to own and ride.

@hachewie

10 ай бұрын

@@user-rc8oy1nm1d I have no doubt about it being a great bike.

I have an R1250R (2021 TE).

@BikerTorque

8 ай бұрын

And how is it?

@malcolmabram2957

8 ай бұрын

@@BikerTorque Thank you for your reply. I have had a number of bikes over the years, and it is by far the best. Superb power delivery and it handles lightly and positively. The low centre of gravity makes it flickable. I once had a GSR750R and one revved the engine for the power, but the BM just pulls from low revs and one does not need to take it above 4000 rpm for road legal speeds. More like a diesel in that respect. I like naked bikes, and it has less wind noise than the Suzuki (wind over the half fairing). However, if one wears ear plugs one hardly notices it. I like a machine between my legs where I sit on it, rather than in it. Gripes? I miss clocks, but that is me, the TFT is not for me. However, more seriously it can be a bugger to start in cold weather. I nearly had to call out BM rescue when it would not start at a garage after filling up, in very cold weather. I had a BM in the past, and that was the same. The quick shift is fine on acceleration, but can lock on downshift, but that does not bother me, used to clutch work. It is an asset when accelerating. The engine braking is very intense and takes some getting used to, but means less use of the brakes. I ride in dynamic all the time, even in the wet. Don't notice much difference except the throttle does not need to be opened so much, kinder on the wrist. Sound wise, sounds like a Lancaster bomber at speed, but nice on acceleration, but not that competitive to other bikes I suppose, but I did not buy it for the sound.

Sshhhh don't tell everybody!

@BikerTorque

8 ай бұрын

Lol, sorry, ill keep how good it is just between us.

The TFT and the headlight are hideous … why on earth the didn’t design it like the R nine T ??? …. It would sell like hot cakes

@BikerTorque

9 ай бұрын

Actually think the TFT is wonderful, but probably more function over form

@johnnyboy1586

7 ай бұрын

TFT ??

@pixelmixture3067

7 ай бұрын

@@johnnyboy1586 the lcd screen

@BikerTorque

7 ай бұрын

@@johnnyboy1586 thin-film transistor liquid crystal display

@iancraig6070

3 ай бұрын

Design is subjective.

S1000r and r9 being cheaper kills this bikes sales

@BikerTorque

10 ай бұрын

Very different bike to the S1000R, but you are probably right

4 kg. is not something your going to feel. Between the RS and R it comes down to looks, and wind protection. If you don't mind the wind, and prefer the looks of the R than that is the bike for you. Other than that there is no difference.

@BikerTorque

7 ай бұрын

I don’t agree with that, there was a marked difference between the two having ridden them back to back. To be clear both great bikes, but the R felt more responsive and felt like it handled better

@David_Journey

7 ай бұрын

RS riding position is much more aggressive lean than R.

@BikerTorque

7 ай бұрын

@@David_Journey It’s definitely a sportier ride position on the RS, but still very comfortable.

@fabiena1787

4 ай бұрын

Look at the bottom of the fork legs. Here is the difference: the trail. The R geometry is oriented towards agility, the RS geometry towards stability.

@user-iz6yt7uq3b

3 ай бұрын

@@BikerTorque That's why I went for the R a year and a half ago. The dealer had a beautiful Austin Yellow RS. But then I tried to sit on an R he had there. The position was so much better. Don't regret buying the R even though the color theme on my bike doesn't appeal to me that much(the BMW racing white/red/blue). Crossed half a Europe on that bike and love it!

I too have a 2015 R1200R. I tried trading it twice but no dice. I kept thinking what are you thinking about. And now with Berlin giving us a replacement driveshaft I’m set for another 50,000 miles.

@BikerTorque

Ай бұрын

Still regrets selling mine.