00:00 - Beginning 01:31 - Kiss Ultra in general 02:07 - Closed source? 02:40 - FedorCommander 03:20 - Kiss first try 05:59 - First racing 07:13 - Global Qualifier MultiGP 08:27 - Betaflight is robotic? 09:02 - Dshot 2400 vs 600 09:32 - Kiss board design 12:09 - Kiss setup bitching 14:59 - Sliders! 16:38 - Misc configuration 17:27 - Kiss that super OSD 19:19 - Blackbox 22:02 - Conclusion 22:55 - DVR

I really enjoyed it to be honest!!!! Well done Lemon!

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

FedorCommander himself here! :) Thanks for all the help, man! Would not be possible without your involvement!

Absolutely great and valid critiques of KISS Ultra. At the end of the day, Alex truly does deserve a lot of respect for what he has accomplished and he works his ass off.

Everytime i hear a battery charger beeping in your video i get nervous thinking i forgot battery on the charge. XD Nice video!

Great job Limon!!! I have both Kiss Ultra and BetaFlight! They both have their strengths and weakness! But mostly fly BetaFlight for racing and Kiss Ultra for smooth freestyle and cinematic flying! Cheers Bro!

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

Thanks man! How do you find marching rates? Or you just flying different ones?

@baggszilla

11 ай бұрын

@IvanEfimovLimon I put in my DPS then used In-Flight Tuning to get it close to home. But when I race with Ultra next season I will be flying it everyday so I would get used to it! Cheers bro!

Awesome as always Limon. Great honest opinions regarding KISS FC. I ALWAYS love watching your outro - when the music kicks in and you are ripping the race course, I want to go out and fly every time. 😎

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

Thanks dude! That's great!

oh boy hot topic! Started watching immediately

Dang, thought I was gonna get to see Neil in lipstick....

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

Ha! Weirdo! )

Great video. Watch for the guys with the pitchforks coming 😂. I have an ultra Iv never used. I need to give it a try.

Great video man🫶🏻👍🏼

Kiss ultra is amazing i just love it i wont fly anything else fettec if i absolutely have too

I enjoyed this video very much dude! 🔥

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

❤thanks!

Yay I finally found a couple and ordered some about damn time I got 2 30x30 and 1 20x20

3000 views in 12 hours on rare kiss FC?! You are the chosen one🎉

Lave that Video... very entertaining!!!! First video sice years i enjoyed watching in fpv scene

Nice video Ivan. I agree that once you get both BF and Kiss ultra setup and tuned, they both fly really well. I got setup and tuned a lot faster on KISS however. The closed source does not bother me at all. As you said, many other closed source elements in FPV. My concern is when Fedor gets hit by a bus or wins the euro millions. Bye Bye kiss ultra.

@FedorComander

11 ай бұрын

i have containgency plan, with all materials stored at safe place. if u wondering.

@sunsetpark_fpv

11 ай бұрын

@@FedorComander 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Thanks man Each video like a full movie I'm really appreciate for your work. And I can study English cause your accent is easy for me 😅

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

loool, Neil says its not accent, it's just the way i speak )) Thanks man! Love to read such kind comments

I have my sticks overlay on my KISS quads (have a 3,5" toothpick and a 5,5" Piratframes freestyle rig). Seeing the sticks in OSD is a fun feature, love it in DVR replays. I never use HD camera, fly purely for the sake of DVR recording. I am one of those guys, yes.... :-)

@joemck1235

11 ай бұрын

I just use walksnail cam I don't use a go pro I don't really record and post my flights I'm not into the whole utube posting videos thing I fly just to enjoy it and fly

Very interesting, informative and fun video. Love my ultrs builds, looking forward to getting an Ultra mini fot my Grinderino. But i also enjoy flying Betaflight as well. 😎

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

Thanks man! I belive what you saying 100%, they all fly very nice

@FreshPanda97

11 ай бұрын

Still have one mini over in Europe

@jlarson42

11 ай бұрын

@@FreshPanda97 I checked, shows sold out.

entertaining and informational!

Limón sos todo lo que está bien amigo 🫶

Holy shit, fire, switching all of my stuff over to beta flight now. I absolutely hate closed source.

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

looool

Nice review dude, great to see a racers evaluation on Kiss Ultra. Very fair and respectful, which is strange because you are a Betaflight developer so must be biased....;)...

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

Thanks man! Caught myself multiple times during recording that I'm biased lol

I hope they log proper set point in the future. there was some mention that this might happen ;-)

@IvanEfimovLimon

10 ай бұрын

Yup they will :) I'm also trying to talk to them to make actual rates there :)

Fettec F7 on Kiss was/is the best setup for me..👊👊 I've got a kiss ultra build ready for a maiden.

Actually, arm is a closed source/non-free ISA and stm32 processors use arm.

Ваня - Спилберг))) Браво!!!

I have a FETtec G4 on my freestyle quad. Love the "loose" sense of it. Very difficult to put in words, but it just feels loosely connected without being annoyingly non-precise. As you say Betaflight goes for the setpoint and tries to replicate it as close as possible. I have Betaflight on all my other quads and it feels like a laser pointer compared to KISS. I would say that both have their advantages, I like flying all my quads.

@Gamersden04

11 ай бұрын

Organic feeling*

@alexanderfedorov7890

11 ай бұрын

its not about fettec, nor g4.

@geometerfpv2804

11 ай бұрын

You can turn down the tracking oriented settings in beta flight to get your optimal loose feel, but I get it: for many people, they want to fly it straight out of the box, and if KISS out of the box is closer to what you like than BF out of the box, that is worth a lot. The scarcity and price of the hardware is a huge downside...if I preferred a loose feel, that would push me towards Us tech's "make BF act like KISS" videos. $100 for an FC is out of this world.

@joemck1235

11 ай бұрын

Fettec is not the same as kiss ultra totally different even the g4 with kiss totally different

@joemck1235

11 ай бұрын

​@@alexanderfedorov7890exactly totally different the kiss ultra are the shit fettec is OK but not the same

Ivan, I'm a real nerd and went this far! Skits game is pure 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥!

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

I knew for sure you are! Lol

SD card ejected. Could have taped it.... I have tried to keep it super simple, because of KISS.... Ultimate racing driver excuse, love it!!!!!

Let's keep going 😅😂

Subbed n liked, your hilarious mate

@IvanEfimovLimon

10 ай бұрын

thanks dude!

That foxeer fc is a good unit

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

it is for sure!

When you do the test in the room and safety glasses 🙂

Another nice one! And next time do it with the real "Keep It Super Simple" Configurator called "Fettec Alpha". Then we will have much more to laugh about... 😉

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

Thanks! Damn I never seen it, is it that bad? )

@MrSmithFPV

11 ай бұрын

@@IvanEfimovLimon More than that. Looks like a configurator from the mid 80's.

@joemck1235

11 ай бұрын

@@MrSmithFPV it's not that bad I'll use fettec before bf if I can't get a ultra

I did get the mini but want some 30 x 30.

Sheeeeee-it

I never flown kiss, but I did get that sweet box... very hard to open lol

@FedorComander

11 ай бұрын

i open a lot of them during final qc. learned that front left corner easiest ;) after lotsa broken nails

кстати в PTB есть слайдер калькуляторы спецом для кисов-фалкохов

Ya so good almost impossible to find any for sale

I use gummies and it's just tight on m2 screws

They fly great but r pricey but osd is great on 03

That Shit Pilot Logo in the DVR is nice. Where could I get it? Preferably for Betaflight start up.

Speedybee stuff I get always is either broken when I get it or max after 2 months 😥

@IvanEfimovLimon

Ай бұрын

im having a good luck so far with F405 V4

I also blame Cole lol

про рейты - судя по описанию, это что-то вроде старого фидфорвард транзишн из бетки. но чет как-то не похоже на keep it super simple.... А еще я так и не понял, почему надо было выпускать столько разных прошивок, похоже на рейсфлайт, он же флайт ван и иже с ним

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

Алекс мне так же объяснял что это что-то вроде ФФ. Но все равно не понятно. Ну а про прошивки, это все разные люди :)

/wave

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

Stop yelling! Lol

@alexanderfedorov7890

11 ай бұрын

he cant @@IvanEfimovLimon

It seems they are good in firmware programming, but UI/UX is beyond of their skill set :) on the other hand, it's too complicated for KISS principle, instead it should be just only one CLI input for all settings. Just kidding :)

Hmmmm. I guess I'm weird too!! 😍😍

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

of course you are! lol

Betaflight all the way…… Just easier to get the quad tuned and go fly!

It's good for beginners, or people who are expert fliers, but hate tinkering with the tech. I think that's the objective truth. Betaflight can do what it does, and many other things too, you just have to be a huge nerd to get it to happen. It's truly ridiculous that there isn't a proper setpoint in blackbox, but I guess people who use KISS really wouldn't be interested in blackbox...if they were, they'd get pushed towards Betaflight pretty quick! 😂😛

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

I don't think in modern betaflight you need to do anything special for most of the quads in order for them to fly really nice. Presets that's all I use. For 7", for 5", for 2.5" and even tinywhoop. No tuning involved

@SkeezyFPV

11 ай бұрын

@@IvanEfimovLimon I fly bf daily and have no idea how to use blackbox or sliders. I use the default settings. I just fly bandos mostly now and my props and motors are always trashed anyway. Maybe that’s why my friends just fly kiss ultra idk. I use bf because that’s what I learned and I learned it from you, bro. Thanks!

Добрый день Иван, что то периодически Betaflight не запускает моторы, подключаюсь телефоном через спидиби и вижу флаг 16, и красным следующее непонятное сообщение "msp connection is active probably via configurator", и никто не знает что это такое, в остальном всё вроде норм. фикс спутников, других сообщений нет, после перезагрузки запускается норм, всё то же самое, стик газа внизу, что это за сообщение?

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

Что такое флаг 16 Я не знаю, это к спидиби вопрос. БФ не имеет отношения к их конфигуратору. А вот подключение по MSP - это просто USB. Нельзя армить , когда подключен. Надо нажать дисконнект и вытащить провод.

@TheZerocul

11 ай бұрын

@@IvanEfimovLimon ааа, а я с проводом и кмпутером собирался лететь.

Ivan, I'm weird as fuck!

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

Haha )) only a few of us here

Kiss needs to stock their products

@Alin.Victor

11 ай бұрын

It has been in stock for some time, for example pyrodrone has them.

@joemck1235

11 ай бұрын

Pyrodrone has them has had them for awhile now

@TechTimeElectronics

11 ай бұрын

They didn't have one when I ordered my G4 otherwise I would have gotten that. Granted that was about four months ago but every time I went to go order one they were out so I had to settle on a G4

Kiss now became a pain I have kiss fc v1.3 and 24A esc now it's not been supported in kiss gui and not been able to flash kiss esc Now my whole investment in kiss became junk

KISS boards do not have onboard high current buck converters that BF boards have. Thats probably why the CPU is less temp.

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

What these converters are doing?

@alexanderfedorov7890

11 ай бұрын

power station for 6s "capable" hd setups :) @@IvanEfimovLimon

@p.1206

11 ай бұрын

@@IvanEfimovLimon DC-DC voltage regulation (BEC), often with high current (2-3A). Judging by the size of the inductor of the kiss ultra, its probably only 1.5-2A 5V converter (which I dont think the H board has). Most modern BF FCs will have 2 of these, 5V and 9-12V. The current these provide contributes heat to the board. Also, now that I think about it, something else probably contributes more to the thermals. The MCU uses a BGA package instead of LQFP, which will have better heat dissipation from the chip into the board.

@FedorComander

11 ай бұрын

2 amps 5v

I may have to KISS one of my drones

@IvanEfimovLimon

10 ай бұрын

That's the must

19:25 I’m following the rules.

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

Appreciate the collaboration))

@Christianperasso

11 ай бұрын

@@IvanEfimovLimon anytime man, you deserve it.

U ever had og kiss ? Shit used to light up like crazy

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

I had one back in the days, but sold it quick lol

@EMDRONES

11 ай бұрын

@@IvanEfimovLimonI used to use it from 2016-2017 for racing and freestyle last time I used it was MultiGP Sebring Fl 2017 and got sponsored by Raceflight after since Preston was at the race and gave top pilots free boards

@unknown-subject8499

11 ай бұрын

I fried 2 boards back in the day, in one week.......

@notsure1502

11 ай бұрын

​@@unknown-subject8499I had one, built it, flew it, landed (softly), it fried 😮

@alexanderfedorov7890

11 ай бұрын

its not kiss. its ultra. @@unknown-subject8499

KISS actually stands for Keep It Stupid Simple (super stupid/simplistic)

But.. I didn’t think it was possible to race without KAACK mode?!

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

It's was pretty hard loool I desperately asking Alex to make kaack mod for kiss )

@alexanderfedorov7890

11 ай бұрын

no kacking way. :) @@IvanEfimovLimon

@serval_fpv

10 ай бұрын

​@@alexanderfedorov7890😂

Still here and weird

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

i know you are 100% )

@colehansen22

11 ай бұрын

You know what's really weird? Going to night spot and your not there. Lame

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

@@colehansen22 thats exactly how i feel every other week except this one about you lol:)

4:19 flat map

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

Proof! Lol

No

My dream is to make the Shit Pilot grade. Someday. . .

Kiss sounds good but it is NEVER AVAILABLE so I guess it doesn't matter to me.

@TatersFPV

11 ай бұрын

They’re in stock at pyrodrone

@alexanderfedorov7890

11 ай бұрын

Pyrodrone got stock. I had stock till yesterday. Common.

@brandonwoodford579

11 ай бұрын

For almost a month. So people can say they didn't get a chance to buy one.

@RickJamesFPV

11 ай бұрын

Thank you. I got one!@@alexanderfedorov7890

Ivan I'm weird as fuck.

I’m weird as fuck

KISS needs to hire a UX designer

@alexanderfedorov7890

11 ай бұрын

:)

Thanks for everything but that ceiling fan is way to fast... RID for Fans 2027...

@IvanEfimovLimon

10 ай бұрын

Loool

800^3 is botgrinder rates 😂

20:44 lols sounds like BS

@FedorComander

11 ай бұрын

why bs?

@Sugar_K

11 ай бұрын

@@FedorComander why are there more than one person with this name commenting ???

im stays with BF,, because i'm a shit pilot...and no need simplyfied of anything..🤭.

Wasf

I wanted to hate the Ultra... too hard to get... many hours waiting for it to be sold out right from my cart... but it flew great and just felt good... that said.. I CAN NOT STAND THE UI........ it's terrible... and heaven forbid you give user experience feedback on their discord... Still bought 4 more when I had the opportunity...

@alexanderfedorov7890

11 ай бұрын

In what way? U know u can do ALL and MORE from just osd right?

@RCRitterFPV

11 ай бұрын

@@alexanderfedorov7890 don't want to use the OSD... don't want to use controller.... want to use the Monitor connected to PC... might work great in goggles... I'm not interested.

@alexanderfedorov7890

11 ай бұрын

@@RCRitterFPV then its not for you.

@RCRitterFPV

11 ай бұрын

@@alexanderfedorov7890 haha see what I mean... Its very much one person's vision, anything beyond that "it's not for you" "No Soup For You!!!!"

good for begginers, easy to set up but it doesn t come close on the flight performance against betaflight, i ve got a comparative video on my account, same platform

I WATCHED! Super nerd here. 🤓 I'll leave it at that. I have no desire to be the subject of a bashing session on the KISS Ultra toxic discord. oops. 😜 Edited: BTW, ticks in gyro traces are indications of electrical noise or the calcs not finishing before the end of the PID loop cycle. You can see electrical noise by doing flips and rolls and see if they show up when motor commands spike. If not, it is probably the gyro loop issue. They would be amplified pretty significantly by the D-term since the slope is really steep entering and exiting the tick. You can make BF do the same by running RPM filter and Dynamic Notch on an F411 board at 8k pid loop. But KISS runs at 1k, sooo... 😁

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

so spicey! :)))

@MikePilk

11 ай бұрын

Nothing but love for Ivan in the discord. He came on over and didn't act high and mighty like the GREAT UAV TECH did. No one over there even mentions your name dude. lol just stop.

@unknown-subject8499

11 ай бұрын

@@MikePilk Yup. This.

@IvanEfimovLimon

11 ай бұрын

@@MikePilk i kinda felt a little weird at the begining there tho, was a bit of betaflight hate from some members ) But i don't mind any of that at all )

@alexanderfedorov7890

11 ай бұрын

@@IvanEfimovLimon We love you there brother!

Im weird as fuck, used the ultra for like 3 weeks gave it a fair shot, then ripped it out and went to B.F. 1 hour of custom tuning and has been great ever since. Kiss ultra = Hype

don't! it's stupid, doesn't work well. it doesn't work with 2.5W VTx (you have to set things manually). also, i have identical builds (same frame, same motors and same props) and i just tested electronics, stock betaflight 4.4 vs. ultra kiss, i flew them head against head more than six months until the final decision was made. i had to f with D term on kiss, whereas BF flies like an angel out of the box with just 2-3 presets. since then i've thrown BF kaack on 3 different quads and all of them are minty. ultra is so bad that i am waiting for new electronics and kiss will be gone forever. it's the ghost of the past, kiss used to be good years ago, nowadays - just don't. i've given it six months and flied it comparatively with BF... flies almost the same, roll/pitch feels a bit different, other than that very close to each other... but, kiss / ultra is the thing of the past, honestly. doesn't work with analog properly any more (can't choose your VTx power or add vtx table for newer VTXes), debug / blackbox is ... guesswork... only thing that's nicer than BF - when you turtlemode, you don't have to extra arm after switching turtlemode on, you just flip your quad and then disable turtlemode and go arm and about your business. just less buttons to fiddle with then in BF... but other than that, ultra / kiss is inferior to BF in every sense, today.

@alexanderfedorov7890

11 ай бұрын

if u mean fancy 2.5mw vtx, thats does 2,5mw when you ONLY set 600mw :) yeah sure. :) Why follow tramp specs, yeah, its allows VTX to be up to 65w... :) ? Read FAQ. Its solved. Ask matek why they do this shit with power please.

@alexanderfedorov7890

11 ай бұрын

And turtle mode was made on kiss first.... dshot was made on kiss first... Yeah... Bad kiss :) hahaha

@LucianoVeryNiceHi

11 ай бұрын

@@alexanderfedorov7890 what was it was, it is dead now, you can keep on kicking in for all that i care

@LucianoVeryNiceHi

11 ай бұрын

@@alexanderfedorov7890 are you slow or just a peasant? 2.5w, not 2.5mw. kiss or ultra do not work with rush max solo vtxes, nor they care to make it work

@LucianoVeryNiceHi

11 ай бұрын

@@alexanderfedorov7890 even worse - when i was asking for it in ultra discord, nobody gave a flying F - didn't even discussi it with me..... but now that i commented on Limon's video now you suddenly know of it and "fixed" it, right... go sell that to someone else. you are better off going and reading your own bug requests instead of watching random videos on youtube, go home, you got work to do

Ivan I'm weird as fuck.

@IvanEfimovLimon

6 ай бұрын

lool wtf :)