I am getting concerned about all these New pilots coming into fixwing and jumping straight into long range. In the Facebook inav fixedwing group I see it all the time. I understand helping folks to get up in the air and flying but seems some of these members are pushing newbies straight into LR and even started making files for folks to download and setup everything for them. I don’t think this is a wise idea and can’t see how anyone is learning anything if everything is already done for them. I see folks having setups all ready to go but have no clue how any of it all works! Learn how RF works learn how your Autopilot works,learn how weather can effect components , learn how all your components work with each other.. I just find this disturbing knowing there are total newbies out there flying out way beyond the visual line of site and they haven’t a clue what and how there equipment even works. This is very concerning to me to is I’m seeing lots of these newbies flying long range within city limits which is crazy to me! This is just asking for trouble. If your going to fly long range do it in wide open areas and don’t be trespassing on farmland either because that’s also becoming a huge issue with people thinking they are entitled and can do whatever they want and use others land to fly there models on and when they go down decide it’s ok to drive through someone’s corn fields to retrieve there plane well it’s not.

@sklepa

5 жыл бұрын

air above farmland is not part of real estate

@ChristopherF_1971

5 жыл бұрын

Miklas no it isn’t and they can fly over that land but when there models go down and they do! How you think they retrieve it? Don’t tell me my friend I’m a farmer and have plenty of friends who are farmland owners and can assure you it’s becoming a huge problem with people trespassing on private land after crashing there precious planes.

@sklepa

5 жыл бұрын

@@ChristopherF_1971 Youre propably right, they would try to retrieve it. But there is no point to having this conversation with me, i own no land and no property, im from a different world to you, mine big problems are propably itching to you so we could have different perspectives looking on things

@ChristopherF_1971

5 жыл бұрын

Miklas I understand what you are saying certainly! I can tell you this though it’s becoming a HUGE problem here in the USA with these newbies just getting into this hobby and wanting to fly there planes or quads out miles and are doing a lot of this flying within city limits! I see it all the time in these groups and on KZread plus we see some of these folks loading up there Suzuki Forresters and driving out to countryside and parking along side someone’s land and pulling out chairs and ground stations and flying straight over all these hard working farmers land and like I said planes crash so do quads and these people decide it’s ok to trample all over these farmers fields and some even have the nerve to drive there vehicles through the fields to retrieve the models! We ourselves had over $8,000 worth of damage done to our soybean and corn fields last year from this exact thing. Guess who takes this loss!? Not the city folk that did it that I can tell you. If these people had any sense”which most these days don’t “ they’d ask the farmer if they can use the fields or open areas to fly or at least if the model goes down have enough common sense to ask the farmer if it’s ok for them to retrieve there model. 99% of the farmers I no would not have a problem with it and would probably take the person to retrieve there model in a 4 runner and help them retrieve it. It’s about respect! Seems these days that’s a lost art. 👍

@ChristopherF_1971

5 жыл бұрын

Trust me I’ve been monitoring these groups last few years and have noticed more and more people jumping straight into LR systems and they haven’t a clue what they are doing or how ANY of the components they are using works. When I seen the Facebook INAV fixwing groups giving people files to download so they don’t have to actually learn anything that was last strew for me and honestly I don’t want any part of it. They are hand feeding these people and this isn’t the way it should be done period! Learning what all your components do in and out and learning how Autopilot systems work and setting up your own transmitter is a huge part of the learning curve that these people need to no but when they are just given a file to down load and just go through your plane and fly it 10 miles out scares the living do-do out of me! I’ve since left these groups. It’s just not the way things need to be done in this hobby. We already have a bad media rap sheet and with a bunch of newbies out flying around at 2,000 agl and 10 miles out and then not real knowing anything about their own system and how it works is just a disaster waiting to happen imo. I’m all for new people in the hobby! But the need to put in the work and earn this knowledge and learning from Circuit flying is best imo. Fly Los until you no how things works on 2.4ghz! Build your way up to doing long range missions. But this doesn’t seem to be what is being pushed in these groups anymore.

Very interesting vidéo before my next LongRange flight this summer in french mountains.

Great advice! I'm starting off with long range and this video was very helpful.

Hi, I have been following your channel for long now. KZread has few videos on long range but none that talks about what you mentioned in this video. Great Job. Very useful video for people who are planning long range. You mentioned all VERY important points including the most important thing that is battery usage and altitude. Really enjoyed this video. Thanks !!

Awesome, after rebuilding all 6 quads, three are for the race season coming up two freestyle and one 7” gps , I told my to finish those wings and fly some distance. So I finished the reptile dragon and now working on the reptile 800. Both with the Matek 405. Lots of videos did I watch. Your videos help soooo much thank you.

@FPVUniversity

2 жыл бұрын

thank you very much!

Thanks Pawel. Great points.

"Going East" .. I got the joke 😸 Your tips are useful. Thanks, man.

Fantastic video Pawel...keep it up

@FPVUniversity

4 жыл бұрын

thanks mate!

Great tips! I know you've been doing the 5" iNav vids which have been very educational to learn iNav ins and outs. How about a video discussing tips for a long(er) range quad build. Whether to go with 5,6,7" blades, motor sizes, battery cell counts, etc. Keep these coming, love to watch ya!

I love the 5 flight rule...I'll be using that one from now on!

Thanks for the video, some excellent tips. Quality directional antennas like TrueRC X2-Air also make a huge difference. 2.4 video is also a good alternative to 5.8 if you want to push the range. I use the 2.4 True-D module as the latest firmware updates finally fixed the initial diversity issues.

following a train track would be good idea I got one next to a place I fly I know the local area too which makes it easier to get back its surprising how fast you can lose yourself even when not doing long range

I would add two things to that: - double strap your battery, the better secured the more chance it's not going to unplug and fly away when crashing, making it easier to find even when using just rssi signal strenght - when really going far out/high, ziptie the PDB leads to the frame to prevent damage to PDB in case of battery ripping out, and also zip tie the connectors of battery and PDB together - just in case that double strapped brick somehow still got loose or to prevent some branches disconnecting the wires. There's also a possibility of using new AMAS XT60 connectors with built in locking mechanism, but i haven't tested them so don't hold my word for them to work :D

Some very useful info, TY

Lots of excellent information thank you 🙏🗿wise man!,!!

Very good tips.

Thank you for video.

I started flight test with GEPRC Crocodile 7". Starting out slow, but they setup Betaflight rescue mode, it has GPS of course and the arrow on OSD points to home accurately with 8 sats. This quad flies great, is powerful and records stable HD video with Runcam Spilt Mini. It is awesome! Hoping to truly long range this copter one day soon! Thanks for the advice on LR flight!

Fantastic tips, man! Thanks a lot! 😊

@IanF-FPV

4 жыл бұрын

MC why are you following the same content creators that I follow...lol

@IanF-FPV

4 жыл бұрын

Pawel.....You didn't mention correct Rx and tx antenna orientation for long range systems like CSFR and R9.

Pyk i jest subskrypcja. Dzięki za rady

Sage advice 👍

I completely agree with you. These days with mini quads people consider 1 mile long range. And to be honest with the quadcopters as small as they are and low capacity one mile is pretty far and still being able to do freestyle when you get out there. I think it should be called long-range freestyle. Which is what I'm starting to get into but more like 2 to 3 miles on a 6 inch. Great video by the way will help a lot of people before they make mistakes. And it only cost $20 to add a GPS to your quad and it only weighs 6 grams I think everybody should put one on there quad it's easy to set up on betaflight. Cheers from Northern California Rob

@thirtythreeeyes8624

5 жыл бұрын

If you're going long range and don't have a GPS basically just plan on losing your craft at some point. Also I bought some bn-180's off of ali-express awhile back for $6 a piece the same one's racedayquads and others throw a logo on and sell for 3-4x the price.

@skyforce1983

5 жыл бұрын

Did you buy the new ZOHD gt yet?

@swissfreek

5 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with your definition of long range. Doesn’t matter if it’s 500m or 1km, quad or wing. For me, “long range” is the point at which you aren’t flying in your own immediate vicinity. For a quad, that’s when you’re not in the same field, wings maybe a little farther, basically, if you crash, you can’t just take off the goggles and walk to the crash site. Like you said, it’s the point at which you will need other considerations (knowing the area) and tools (GPS, direction to home arrow, failsafe RTH, etc.) in order to get your quad back (whether flying back to you, or recovery after a crash or loss of video or telemetry).

@skyforce1983

5 жыл бұрын

@@swissfreek I understand exactly your point because I think as long as your not doing circuits in a field and your beyond eyesight it to me classifies it long range I just hate seeing ppl flying in circles is huge field it drives me nuts personally I keep within a2 mile range anything more is problematic if something goes wrong

I fly a full scale C172 and I guarantee you - I do not want to see a Talon mini crossing my windscreen at 3000 feet.

7:40 Thats right i have trashy antennas on my rapidfire and did 8.3km and still had perfect video👍

Upgraded my Tyro 119 with Crossfire and 1800mw VTX and still terrified if iam 500m or more away....

Hi Pawel, nice video. I was listening to you and because i am starting in FPV, i was wondering if.. in case.. you run out of batt, ( or you think you will), if programming a landing somewhere (not where you started) would be a nice tip. Not sure if you can control it because you may loose your video link while flying low...

Thanks for tips. Looking for the most efficient fpv long range airplane with nose platform for pan/tilt. Considering Talon mini as most obvious choice. Wondering is there any flying wings with big enough nose platform.

I know it's old video but thank you for advices. I can easy reach 2km on 50m altidude only with my crux35 with no problem. Tbs Unify VTX 1+W and 250mW eLrs :)

I don't have long-range yet only 2.4. A lesson I kind of learned the hard way with a FlyAway ( FPV but no FC or OSD), is to try and study a Google map of the area you're going to be flying, and to study landmarks. Google Maps help me find the area it landed, but I never found the airplane.😥

Could 2.4Ghz flysky 3 Work, too? I already want a better transmitter for my Quads (one of them a tiny whoop with integrated receiver; Not able to Change) and a new Project would require at least a slightly longer range. A downwards comatible flysky 3 Transmitter like the Nirvana should work or do I have something Else to consider? Thanks for the tips

I got about 6km with 5.8ghz flying through a city with perfect LOS, it's struggling at that range.

I'm a dummy I have a crossfire full unit and dx9 moded. But I can't figure out why it won't connect to a receiver I have the micro v2 not the tiny ones. I just want to use this and I'm stuck because I'm not maybe as smart as I thought can you or anyone help with for example setting up crossfire on a basic stabilize like with a a3 or zohd as I think with cleanflight I don't anticipate problems. I JUST WANT to use it soo badly.. thanks as always for great content and I consistantly feel comfortable going a mile or 2 just with dx 8 lil sat rx and 800ish mw.... just love your advice on planning routes also...

Dear Pawel Spychalski! i have a question . if TBS Crossfire and Frsky R9m both uses 918Mhz Frequency then why both have different range capacity.

And don't forget to upload OSD font on a new FC and test RTH before going long range.

@Drift-fpv

3 жыл бұрын

did you ever get to those mountains or did the pandemic mess things up sure did for me

Thumbs up first... watch later:) btw. what about 2.4 ghz video feed?

@hansturpyn5455

5 жыл бұрын

Dipole on vtx and biquad antenna on receiver. Had verry good results with it and the beam is verry wide, no tracker needed

you look like joshua bardwell

I'm torn about having the GPS coords on screen, they take up so much space because the fonts are usually too honking big. And they'll get you in the ballpark, but not exactly to your quad, and it's a pain to punch them into your phone. Maybe those plus a hellgate buzzer. I'm of the school that the less chartfunk on my OSD the better, but yeah, long range fpv where you're mostly flying straight for a long range record... fill your viewfinder with all the pertinent OSD info you can that is actually useful including GPS coords in the least valuable screen real estate. Someone like me, though, I not only want to go far out, I want to freestyle far out in wide sweeping circles around me. It doesn't seem like a concern yet, but I'm worried about active government jamming of frequency ranges, because all these systems mostly use the small narrow portions of the band to do control signals and video on. Any generic dumb jamming of these frequency ranges is going to bring just about most quads down. They don't have any slick spread spectrum frequency hopping or jumping built into check the noise on a channel, and jump to somewhere else found clearer. You know what I mean if you've ever seen the tuner drag bar on a software defined radio that shows you the signal strenght plot of noise and stations on every single frequency division. ~ Google Earth and weather radar maps are your friend :-)

Good tips, I still have some moments of "where am I" when flying around my familiar spots, things definitely look different up high.

Is there a particular reason people avoid 1.2G systems (except for the unavoidable regulation ones)? Maneuvering the 5.8 craft at 3km away almost always gives me full static screen, I always think like: "Crap, plane completely lost power and it's currently at a 90 degree dive ... 1s later ... nope, nope, here it is, its fine ". Where maneuvering 1.2G craft (with dipole antenna, both plane and the ground) at even 10 km away is really smooth, you always get warnings like, the distorted color, so you know signal is getting weaker and you can make certain decisions.

@thirtythreeeyes8624

5 жыл бұрын

I think a large part of it is price and availability. 5.8 systems are basically everywhere now days and you can get a 1w transmitter for like $20. They just sort of took over because people wanted small antenna's and 5.8 plays well with 2.4. Plus the vast majority of people will never go over 1k or probably even 500 meters but, anyone who's been in it for a while will tell you 1.2 on video and 433 or now maybe 900 on control if you are serious about pushing the range past 1-2km and absolutely if you want to go past 5km. What I would recommend though for 5.8 at a distance if you're gonna fly a set path and know you can keep the plane in the antenna beam, use two directional antenna on your diversity with one turned sideways in relation to the other this will help maintain good polarization when going into a sharp angle. Another thing is no antenna is a truly omni directional and if the top or bottom point towards you you're gonna lose signal when already pushing the range.

@ChristopherF_1971

5 жыл бұрын

I think it’s the hassle. Most people fly 915mhz or 868mhz for long range these days because these have sbus unlike dragonlink ppm 433mhz. Neither 915mhz or 868mhz works very well with 1.2ghz unless you start buy a bunch of notch filters low pass filters ect.. this just becomes a hassle and makes models heavier. If I’m going to recommend a decent LR setup I’d say dragonlink 433 works best with 1.2ghz. Just be aware it’s older tec and more latency imo. Like I said most these days are going with crossfire or R9 gear which has telemetry and sbus and that’s what most want. Dragonlink has ppm and telemetry but it’s at a lower latency from my understanding

Please Pawel make long range fpv plane and fly it across Europe

and don't try to go 100km out the first time you try it because you will fail. Build it up ever so slightly.

I fly IFR (I follow roads)

74km on 5.8 i know guys they do 😎

A.D. 2044

1280mhz video...6kms out at only 130 metres altitude...video as clean as when I took off...Try doing that on 5.8g...lol...

@janpichrt

5 жыл бұрын

easy

@FelixLeForestier

4 жыл бұрын

*Years later* I did 14.5 on 5.8ghz 150m. At 6 it's pretty decent, around 9 it gets not so good and at 14.5 it's black and white.

I haven't made a penny off KZread or FPV, so I'm thinking... meh, this hobby is a bust. It's like a one way street money pit. Money goes in, nothing comes out.