BEST Starting Point For Discworld?
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@marocat4749
Жыл бұрын
Mort or equal rights or guard. As other note, onepunchman mayne isnt as that deep, but still emotional. Tat conman with a heart of gold isnt bad there either, and is very fun. No honest man could have run the postal service, i love the patriarch as rebutal he is a conman "welcome to the government" XD
I was in the bookstore yesterday staring at all the discworld books, not knowing where to start so this is like my prayers being immediately answered
@feldegast
Жыл бұрын
Book 1 - The Colour of Magic - a Wizards book, Book 3 Equal Rites - a witches book, Book 4 Mort - a death book, Guards! Guards! - a City Watch book, The Wee Free Men - a Tiffany book (younger readers) these are "starter" books for the series in that they are the starting books for the different sub stories within all of Discworld, Going Postal is the start of the Industrial Revolution series of sub books but this starts A LONG way into the series so while you can start here you may not appreciate as many in world jokes that are established in earlier books
@evandickinson6393
Жыл бұрын
Start with whatever book sounds the most interesting! If you like the book you'll have no trouble getting into the rest of them!
@korganrocks3995
Жыл бұрын
I'd suggest starting with the first book, Color of Magic, and if you like it just read the rest in chronological order. If you don't care for it, skip the second and third book and jump straight to Mort, and if you don't like THAT, jump to Small Gods... and if you don't like that either, then there's no hope for you. 😄
@Panda_Roll
Жыл бұрын
Consider grabbing "Guards! Guards!" as well. Going postal can be read as a standalone but the guard series gives you a good intro to Morpork and it's beloved characters.
@korganrocks3995
Жыл бұрын
@@Panda_Roll Yeah, a newcomer to the city is a great intro to the series for a first-time reader. That said, a friend of mine read Going Postal as his first Discworld book and loved it, so who knows...
The interactions between Moist and Vetinari are simply amazing here
@davidwooden3878
Жыл бұрын
And Charles Dance as Vetinari is *chef's kiss*
@andreasvox8068
Жыл бұрын
"Welcome to government service" made my laugh out loud.
@marocat4749
Жыл бұрын
@@davidwooden3878 Yep, i man the book is great how he uses carrot and stick but prfrs carrot and his scheming shown and how moist given his skill can he what he does, perfect. Also harles dance is perfect cast.
@nitsanraviddaos4797
Жыл бұрын
Raising steam though
@A._is_for
Жыл бұрын
"don't let me detain you" love to say that to my students
As a mail man, the title got my attention 😂 I “read” (listen) to books while I’m delivering mail every day. Would be a funny one to read considering my job.
@davidwooden3878
Жыл бұрын
You should definitely take the plunge! It's one of my favorites. The movie is very solid as well
@veronicaortolan7826
Жыл бұрын
Oh boy you're gonna love this one
@JanHgh
Жыл бұрын
The mail wants to be delivered.
@davidwooden3878
Жыл бұрын
@@JanHgh "deliver us!"
@JanHgh
Жыл бұрын
@@davidwooden3878 For 15 years, I delivered newspapers and mail. Greeting cards from the queen of Denmark to married couples celebrating 60 years of marriage. Conscription letters to young men. Even a hefty registered letter from Honda Motorsports to a racing driver who latter went on to win at Le Mans... I have delivered, but now I am older and tired.
My heart is elated to know we're going on a Discworld bender! When Harry Dresden refers to Pratchett (twice I think, separate books) I squee so hard each time
For those who giggled at the name (Moist von Lipwig), it's also a pun based on who he is - A "lipwig" is a false mustache. Moist is a master of disguise. *Edit:* Oh, and Daniel, it's pronounced "More Pork". "Ankh-Morpork". (Also, a "Morpork" is a kind of owl, IIRC). The name isn't _just_ to sound silly, it's also a riff on many medieval towns founded on rivers, often being two towns that grew together.
@Nastyn1nja808
Жыл бұрын
Te ah ti mee
@rapha_spi
Жыл бұрын
Today I learned
@AidestheKiwi
Жыл бұрын
Correct, the morepork (maori: Ruru) is New Zealand's only native owl. 🙂
@CozyKode
Ай бұрын
Omg I used to think Morpork was just for giggles lolz. This explains the owls here and there 🦉
One of the best things about Discworld is that because each book is a complete story, you can pick up pretty much any book and have the best time of your life. That's why I think "reading orders" are nonsense. When I first got into Discworld, I didn't read them in any order. After my first (Small Gods, which got me hooked) I would just grab whatever books that were available or caught my eyes at the library. And because I read Discworld out of order, it was so much more of a treat to catch references/Easter eggs/favourite characters from other books!
@flavoredwallpaper
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I started in publication order until about Guards Guards. Loved that book so much that I started reading out of order, to read more books about the Watch. I read the series out of order since then.
Discworld is always a treasure. Terry Pratchett was absolutely a master on subverting and growing tropes into something special, all the while adding his own charm and wit. He was gone too soon (but even a million years would be too soon to lose Sir Terry Pratchett).
@rapha_spi
Жыл бұрын
100%
Sir Terry appreciation always puts a smile on my face.
I don't think there will ever be a book quote closer to my heart then the one where Moist says something along the lines of "He could keep living this life as long as he told himself he could stop the con and run away at any time." Not an exact quote there but something about Moist's whole thing really did make me cry as an imposter syndrome/anxious person. It's such a well written and funny book but something about how Moist is written and him being forced into a position where people love him, and he succeeds because of his strengths and making it look effortless while you the reader can see how desperately he is working the entire time to just keep on top of everything just hits so deep. Terry Pratchett is the absolute GOAT and I do not think there will ever be another like him.
Haven't seen this video yet, but I have read Going Postal a few times and I'd agree it'd be a decent entry point into Discworld. Personally, I think Guards, Guards! would be better but that's my favourite series. Mort was my entry point, followed by Thief of Time then Small Gods (the first I found on a family member's book shelf, the next two were all my local library had).
@feldegast
Жыл бұрын
i completly agree, Guards! Guards! is where I started :), Mort is also a great starting point
@korganrocks3995
Жыл бұрын
@@feldegast Both great choices!
@Panda_Roll
Жыл бұрын
I made the mistake of starting in release order. Almost gave up on this amazing world had not someone suggested I try again with Guards! Guards!. I owe that person 41 books full of magic.
@Tuaron
Жыл бұрын
@@Panda_Roll While I wouldn't call any of the early books bad, I definitely know what you mean. Going back and reading some of the earlier stuff, it doesn't quite have the same mastery as the later novels. Moving Pictures, for instance, feels too blatant in the way it tries to lampoon or parallel modern times but seems to have less to actually say about them and the characters are more vehicles for the story rather than people within it, unlike something like Thud or Snuff.
@korganrocks3995
Жыл бұрын
@@Panda_Roll I started with Color of Magic, and the humor and parody was enough for me to want to keep reading. The actual plots, character development and themes later on came as a pleasant bonus, but I'd probably have been happy with 41 books of silly puns! 😄
Love it that you went for a Moist book. Everyone rates Vimes, Granny and Death as their favorite characters, but for me Moist is the most well rounded of Pratchett’s main characters.
I think there is Discworld book to everyone tastes. Ricewind and baggage, Cohen the Barbarian, City watch, Wizards and Unseen University, Death are just priceless. Philosophy, absurd of our daily life like bureaucracy, people weird actions, some religion dogmas or mythology, and overall just making fun out of serious world creation makes those books really unique and enjoyable. I was so sad to hear about Pratchett first sickness and then his death, I never felt such loss for world from death of someone I haven't even personally knew.
@MiliMesiMusic
Жыл бұрын
Do yourself a favour and watch Terry Pratchett: Back in Black - it's a documentary version of his autobiography and it is just perfect
@rapha_spi
Жыл бұрын
100% agree
@Nastyn1nja808
Жыл бұрын
The Silver Horde!!!!! " I LOVE DISCWORLD" He Said in a Voice that was Like a coffin Door slamming Shut.
@tmntaddict
Жыл бұрын
I haven't read it in years but am pleased I still remember the names!
@theone9832
Жыл бұрын
@@tmntaddict I'm having urge to reread some of my favorites in series. First time I have read translations but this time i will hit orginal english one so it should be somewhat new experience.
Please do the Commander Vimes series next😍. I am such a huge fan of Terry Pratchett, he is just GENIUS. The most intelligent books I’ve ever read, I think - and still they are funny and have so much heart! It is awe inspiring.
Hogfather was my introduction to Terry Pratchett and Discworld. Immediately launched both the world and the author to the very top of my list of fantasy favorites. ❤️❤❤ Going Postal is also a favorite.
@isabelle_v
Жыл бұрын
Same here! :D
@evandickinson6393
Жыл бұрын
Started with hogfather too! I listen to the audiobook every year starting on christmas eve...it's easily my second favorite time of the year!
So glad Daniel is doing discworld, gnu Sir Terry Pratchett
Can't wait to see your discworld vids, I am nearly 40 and have adored this series and the wider works of Terry Pratchett since I was about 11 when my uncle gave me a second hand copy of the colour of magic as a present. So much of my personality and my sense of humour was shaped by Terry Pratchett and his amazing Discworld books, to this day one of the few genuine regrets I have from my life is that I never got to meet him before he passed and thank him for creating such a vibrant creative world full of amazing fully realised incredibly funny characters.
@alasdairmacarthur5910
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I travelled to a signing in Glasgow when I was 20 to meet him but when I got there it had been called off as he was ill. Really regret never having met him. RIP Sir Terry. May your name live on forever in the Clacks.
My girlfriend recommended Discworld to me and I chose this book for my 1st. Perfect decision for me. Finished it a couple weeks ago and I'm stoked to hear you talk about it.
I re-read Hogfather every single christmas. And while Death is a fan favorite for a reason, Susan and Teatime are just delightful characters I love dearly.
@evandickinson6393
Жыл бұрын
I listen to the audiobook on christmas eve! It's such a great way to celebrate the story Pratchett gave us!
@rickywoerner
Жыл бұрын
It's Te-ah-tim-eh!
@mikeprince6685
Жыл бұрын
Could you start with this book?
@ElinHime
Жыл бұрын
@@mikeprince6685 It's considered book 4 in the Death series. As all of Pratchetts books, it works as a stand-alone, but it's better if you read them in order. If you probably only going to read one book this year; do this one. If you plan on reading 5; do the Death series in order, starting with Mort. If you devour books on a regular basis; Start with The Colour of Magic and do them in writing order. The first 20 are relatively slim and goes by quickly.
@rapha_spi
Жыл бұрын
The entire death series has a cozy vibe
I read most of the books as a young teenager so have had the joy of re-reading them as an adult and seeing things I never saw before whilst I also get hit hard by nostalgia, let the tears flooooooooooooow.
It's one of several starting points I've recommended to people. Depending on their interests and what I think they'll like: Going Postal, Men at Arms, Reaper Man, and Wee Free Men. If it's close to Christmas, The Hogfather as well. A little bit into the deep-end without some background, but it is still good.
@citizensguard3433
Жыл бұрын
No mention of Guards Guards? Lol
@rapha_spi
Жыл бұрын
My classic answer is either small gods or Guards! Guards!
@Ottuln
Жыл бұрын
@@citizensguard3433 I feel Men at Arms is more polished and representative of his style once he figured out what he wanted to do. It is more likely to pull people into the universe, so if I've got one shot to set the hook it's going to be Men at Arms, not Guards Guards.
@TheJumpinJr
Жыл бұрын
Just read Hogfather for the first time last year. So good.
@citizensguard3433
Жыл бұрын
@@Ottuln hmm. Interesting take.
That's hysterical! I actually started discworld from Going Postal and my friend (we both are big fans of yours) told me "noooo what are you doing!" So thank you for settling that argument forever!
A week ago I started listening to Discworld in chronological order and I absolutely love it. I'd already listened to Small Gods (thanks to you) a year ago but I thought it was impossible for the rest of the books to be as enjoyable and well written, but I'm laughing just as much with his first books as I ever did with Small Gods. Who would have thought luggage could have so much personality!
@rriggs6547
Жыл бұрын
Everyone who has read the Rincewind novels knows how much personality Luggage can have.
@SeiShinCasios
Жыл бұрын
What Kind of Sound dies luggage make in english? I read those books as a teen and could only read in german. Tap..Tap..taptaptaptaptap 😂
Discworld is awesome, grew up with discworld references all around me as a kid and finally picked up the books this year starting with Tiffany aching, Tiffany aching is such a good series, hat full of sky is my favourite so far, is just so beautiful omlll after the Tiffany aching books I’m reading the witches which is technically chronologically backwards but it still works cos discworld can be read in any order really
I agree that this isn’t my recommendation for starting the series. I remember it having way too many inside jokes to be a first book.
Finally more discworld!!! Love you Daniel thankss
So very, very happy you'll be covering Terry Pratchett. I'd say more, but when it comes to Terry I can never say enough. What I WILL say is that reading (and re-reading) his books has made me try and be a better person. That's his unbelievable and special gift.
"Yes. I Know. It Is Perfect. I Am Free." Breaks me. Every Single Time.
So excited for this series! Love the death collection so absolutely cannot wait for you to talk about them!!
Yes! I was just thinking the day before you posted this that you needed to cover this, and I even just started Going Postal. Good timing 🙂
I’ve been on a whole discworld read from start to finish! Absolutely excited for you to be doing a read through too!
Can confirm that Going Postal is a great entry point! Though i had read the first Discworld novel over a decade ago, the second i read later on was Going Postal and that is the one that made me fall in love with this author's world and use of absurd setting for social commentary. Great stuff! Also, quite ambitious of you to want to review all of Discworld but i am definitely looking forward to it!
Well you've done it! You convinced me to try discworld. I only came back to this video to see the spoiler stuff. It was a lot of fun and I look forward to exploring more of discworld
I am so thankful this chanel intruduced me to Discworld! It is my favourite series now
guards guards got me hooked and i just chain read every single one i could get in no particular order. Found your channel thanks to your video on it btw. You LEGEND!
30 sec in and you’ve already make my day!! I love DISCWORLD so much and makes me so happy to know I’m gona get more vids about it!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I'm dying waiting for someone to cover Monstrous Regiment still. So happy about this. And I should be able to start picking up more Discworld myself soon.
@nicolle3517
Жыл бұрын
It is definitely one of my (many) favorites. The way it becomes so absurd that it’s brilliant. The endings that are less and more than expected and pragmatically satisfying.
I love this book so much for all the reasons you described. The scene of the first meeting between Moist and Vetinari and the scene from Guards Guards! where Carrot breaks up a fight at a Dwarf bar are things I reread on their own regularly. They are so funny and perfectly done.
Very excited to see you cover more discworld!
Genuinely can't express what this series of books means to me started reading them when I was twelve and am starting the last one now at 25 and these are my favourite books so excited to see more perspectives on discworld and know more people are reading it. Post series depression on this one is a BIGGIE.
Small Gods is a good starting point, too. Equal Rites was the first that I read (of course, there were only 3 books out at that point).
@lauraswinton8458
Жыл бұрын
Agree! I read Equal Rites as a 10 year old girl in the 90s and it hooked me… but I think Small Gods is a great entry point for philosophically minded adults
Thanks for the video Daniel! Discworld is definitely high up on my TBR list. :D
Great news that you are giving Pratchett full coverage -> Discworld is one series where discussion can help other readers
Another standalone book from early in the series is Pyramids which I'd love to see you cover Daniel.
I’m soooo glad to here that you are reviewing these books. I was just about to get into Discworld for the first time
@daviddragoon82
Жыл бұрын
Great video Greene, Postal is fun but I also recommend Guards! Guards! The intro to Vimes and his crew fighting a dragon. Also I love how Pratchett shows dwarves change over the series.
I started with Night Guards by pure chance, and it's still after reading most of the series, my favorite Discworld book... and one of my favorite book of all times. Thank you for talking about Discworld, I'm so happy!
@jellevanbreugel325
Жыл бұрын
Night Watch?
@Amaspa5555
Жыл бұрын
@@jellevanbreugel325 ah oh yeah, that was me writing while sleep deprived, thanks for catching that
@flavoredwallpaper
Жыл бұрын
Great book.
great timing for this I started Guards Guards Guards 3 days ago as my first step
Finally a video i was waiting for
It's funny cause the Going Postal movie with Charles dance is what put me on to discworld in the first place
Time to kick start my reading again, just in time for summer. I look forward to the read along.
This review made me even more excited to get to this book on my current journey through Discworld (first read through) I'm currently on Sourcery!
I’m so excited! Can’t wait for more
SO excited for more of these, almost halfway through and i already dont want the series to end its so good😢
@rriggs6547
Жыл бұрын
I suggest stating over when you finish but using a different order. You will catch a ton more stuff on a reread.
@zn12914
Жыл бұрын
@@rriggs6547 i could see that being the case, as im currently reading chronologically
Will LOVE seeing you make videos for every Discworld book. I've introduced five people to DW with Going Postal. All I've told them is it's satire/absurdism and it's basically Hitchhiker's in a fantasy world rather than sci-fi, and all five of them loved it and asked which book to read next.
As an Aussie... The Last Continent has a special place in my heart.
That was a great review! ❤
Just finished reading this because of this recommendation, I absolutely loved it can’t wait to read more discworld.
YES! So excited for more discworld content!!!!
By sheer coincidence, Going Postal is the first Discworld book I found at a Goodwill when I began looking to start the series. Now it will forever be my favorite entry
Nice timing. Read a bunch as a kid but don't remember much other than liking them. Decided to revisit the series and literally got books 1 and 2 yesterday.
Not where I would have expected anyone to start but just happy to see you doing Sir Pterry. Please please get to the Watch and Witches books post haste.
ALL OF THEM?!?! So stoked!! I actually found this channel looking for videos about Discworld and found yout Where To Start video. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on each City Watch book and.. well, the rest of them too! PS Hugh Laurie should be Wilikins in an adaptation.
This is the book I started with! I just picked it up at the library and I fell in love with Pratchett right after. I read all of his discworld books sense, and I'm planning on a reread soon!
YES I WAS SO EXCITED FOR DISCWORLD CONTENT I'd love a rundown/reviews/thoughts of each character based series! Like so the death series, or the night watch and Vimes, or Tiffany etc!
Great video! I would love to hear you talk about the wizards books (mostly the ones with rincewind, cause he's a damn underappreciated character)
I'm reading the series thematically starting with Guards Guards the way you recommended in your other Discworld video 😊
I started with The Amazing Maurice, which has also just recently been made into an animated movie. Granted, I was maybe eleven, but still, it's where I started! 😁 Then the Wee Free Men, and then Guards! Guards!, I think. I don't have really strong opinions about where to start, except maybe don't start with the first books (even Terry himself said not to do this), and for the Watch series I would start at the first book, although most books can be read on their own just fine as well. The Tiffany books and the Watch books are my favorite series, and Monstrous Regiment is probably my favorite standalone novel. I think Monstrous Regiment is also a good place to start. It has all the social commentary, and a relatively unique story even within Discworld. But in the end, any place is probably good to start, if it means you'll start reading Discworld!
@rriggs6547
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info on The Amazing Maurice. I will have to find the movie.
Great review! This and The Truth are possibly my most re-read Discworld books. I love the way the fantasy world is used to reflect our own.
I read small gods some time ago and loved it !
Brilliant choice. I've read about 10 in the series. Some through a single protaginist-Tiffany, some stand alone Going Postal and recently started reading the entire series in order. The humour is relentless and world building endlessly amazing. Thanks for posting.
I started with Witches Abroad. Back in high school, I had just finished Good Omens and decided to look up other books by both authors and the concept of Discworld intrigued me, so I decided to check it out. I chose by random, and I am so glad that's where I started.
@localabsurdist6661
Жыл бұрын
I Read the Tiffany Aching books as a child but when I started reading again when I was in my late teens I also started with witches abroad! I just love Nanny Ogg and Granny Weatherwax!
I’m starting disc world this year and I am so so excited! I’ve ordered all the death books and am gonna start with those
"Going Postal" was one of my first Pratchett reads but it's been a while and I don't remember it well. Inspired to reread!
Oh YES!!! LOVE LOVE LOVE DISCWORLD! ❤❤❤ YOU GO, DANIEL!! Been reading Pratchett for 20 years. Still love him.
HELL YEAH New discworld video
GNU Terry Pratchett
@davidwooden3878
Жыл бұрын
GNU
@whaitiritua-warbrick1398
Жыл бұрын
GNU PTerry
So so excited for this series!! I have grown up on Terry's writing and Discworld is categorically my favourite fantasy series ever. Nothing beats it in my book. So this is going to be great fun to hear your thoughts & feelings! As for what to cover next. I often recommend the stand-alones for brand new readers to just get a taste of his style/the world so Pyramids or Monstrous Regiment maybe?!
HECK YEAH!!!! Can't wait to listen to your take.
I can’t wait for this! I’ve wanted to start discworld so bad, but everyone seems to have different opinion on where to start. Usually (Guards Guards, or Mort), but I need the Disheveled Goblin God’s inferior all factual opinion! Then I guess my quadriplegic ass will be buying a lot of audiobooks for Discworld😂😂
@marocat4749
Жыл бұрын
It realy depends what genr youlike the mot, like guard guard and potal are pretty opposites perspectives, postal about a swindler and him getting really endearable and serious goo character devlopement, as post minister. as weird as it sounds. Also deals with financial crimes. While guards is about well guards. through in a very fun unortodocx way. mort is more an entry if you llik metaphysical oh witches do explore gender, and useful magic. all have their plus. Just pick one genre you vibe with the most.
Definitely gonna pick something up from disc world soon after this video!
Just read Going Postal a couple weeks ago. Definitely now one of my favorite Discworld entries as well! Would love to hear you review The Truth or Night Watch in a video.
My brother was into disc world for years, but going postal was the first one that I read. Picked it up in a store when it came out, and I absolutely fell in love. Definitely due for a reread.
Great to see... some Discworld reviews, one of my top 5 authors 😉 I read each book consecutively, and then we lost Terry... I received his last book, just after he passed... but I haven't read it as I want to always have one more book of his to read...
Great choice for an introduction, Going Postal was my first discworld experience back when I kid (who was still a little too young for discworld if I'm honest). Pratchett was such an incredible wordsmith. I honestly believe that a large chunk of my personality, sense of humour and love of language can be attributed to the wordplay found in both Winnie the Pooh and the Discworld series! To be surreal, philosophical and narratively engaging whilst also being sidesplittingly stupid at the same time is just... *chef's kiss*
I read smallgods after your review and loved it so I'm probably going to pick this one up too
Going Postal was my first DiscWorld book! Now I’m hooked!
What an unexpected boon you have provided us with, dearest Daniel! Huzzah hurrah!
I've only read one Discworld book so far - Hogfather. Picked it up in December since it is a Christmas book. Excited to check out more
I started reading Discworld thanks to you talking about it.. started with Mort and the Death series end of 2021, last year read 13 Discworld books and continue this year, Going Postal was pretty good, looking foward to completing and collecting the whole series!
I would love to hear you talk about „The Truth“, I just finished it and it instantly became my second favorite book by Terry Pratchett
Daniel! One of the short and sweet Discworld novels that had me absolutely rolling was Eric! Maybe try that one next?
Going Postal was actually my first Discworld book, at the recommendation of a good friend of mine. I was instantly hooked, and I've counted Discworld as one of my top series/worlds of all time ever since. I look forward to seeing you deep dive into this wonderful world!
Going Postal was the first Discworld book I ever read. An old roommate left it in our apartment when she moved out. Picked it up on a whim. Have never gone back. ❤
Cool, I was planning on starting discworld this weekend lol.
I was lucky enough to get started with Small Gods because it was the only fantasy book in the library one day, and it was an excellent intro to Pratchett's style and wonderful sense of humor. I agree that Going Postal works as a gateway book for many of the same reasons, but since it's further in the timeline, there are a lot of spoilers that make Guards, Guards for example, a little less enjoyable. Thank you for digging into Sir Terry's work! Love the video.
Night watch stories as a whole are my favorite. Sam Vimes is just one perfect character (my favorite of all time). Then comes the Witches. Then individual books like Small Gods and Pyramids. And of course Going Postal. And not to forget Death either. :D I can't even choose a favorite among these. The more I think about it... just talk about them all. They are amazing.
Yes Discworld! My starting point was Mort. I loved it and dove right in. I am looking forward to seeing your take on it.
I’ll be eagerly awaiting your review of The Truth, which is my favorite
One of my absolute favorit trilogies and the first Pratchett books i ever read. Great entery point
So looking forward to more discworld videos. Going Postal was such a great read and happily the 2 part adaptation of it some years ago, was surprisingly very good. Having more recently read the Tiffany Aching books I would also recommend them as an entry point to the discworld...it's sort of 'discworld lite' in my way of thinking 😊