I always reach for my old Porter Cable 7424 first. I have a set of Rupes tools and a Flex 3401, but most times I'm using the Porter Cable. It has me considering selling off the Rupes (21, Duetto, Mini, Nano), and the Flex. Maybe pick up a rotary again. Thinking back to my early days of da polishing it was so simple. Once set of pads, one compound, one polish... I am on my way back towards that though!

I believe Rupes makes specialized compound and low profile pads for the gear driven Mille. To my understanding the compound is more slippery and needs to be applied a little differently than the normal 3-4 dots, and the pads help keep it from “sticking” and in control.

mille is good for boats. i love rupes tools i paint correct and ceramic coat for a living and honestly don't know what id do without my bigfoot. finishing results r unmatched always

Great video 👍 I was wondering if I really need a forced rotation polisher and now I know that I don't need one 👍

Hi Luke your putting out good videos now keep it going Any suggestions for picking up ceramic coating jobs during the Winter months cause I know it's cold or my business has dramatically dropped down also I've been using system XX actually probably longer than you have and that's my go to ceramic coating

I bought a maxshine da polisher and curious what pads to buy. a ultra finishing pad and then a medium cutting pad and heavy cutting pad

You're the first person that I've heard of burning through clearcoat with the Rupes Mille 6mm forced rotation DA polisher. And yes, the Rupes is the Lamborghini of DA Polishers for businesses. The home detailer that just polishes his/her own vehicle has many other options and may not need a $600 polisher just sitting on a shelf, only to be used every 2-years. These new vehicles (some made after 2014) come from the factory with only paint/clearcoat that is now only 3.5 - 4 mils thick). I use the FLEX 3401 forced rotation polisher (I can polish a car in 1/2 the time because there is NO Stalling) and it polishes 100% of the time, without stalling issues (on vehicles with real paint). Users of the FLEX 3401 that do have issues or dislikes, just don't take the time to learn the machine. I do not like any of the new FLEX polishers because they're now made in Chine and no longer in Germany with that Germany pride, precision, or power. If you could talk a little faster, you could run an auction. Great video.

@1kontrabida

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree the forced rotation involves a different technique same goes for any other polisher but the F/R and Rotary ones u learn using them it will benefit u more than any other polisher. Lastly a lot of detailers either are not aware or not talked about is that although most compound or polishing chemicals can be used by the Dual action but cannot be used by F/R and there are specific chemicals for F/R and Rotary thats why Rupes and Meguairs have specific chemicals them because as we all saw how easily u can burn through if ur not aware of which one to use, this is all because heat .

@still-DJ

Жыл бұрын

@@1kontrabida Agree. Operator must use more product to start with (3-4 drops just isn't going to cut it...use some product) and keep the polisher(s) moving with your passes. These polishers are NOT designed for that 1" per second use. The 3401 can also be used as an RA/DA. All you do is remove the black outer ring gear and reinstall the backing plate, now it's a RO/DA 2-in-1. I haven't had any issues (knock on wood) so far with any new chemicals/polishes and no burn-throughs, maybe due to the fact I keep my 3401 always moving at a faster almost a slow-medium pace (never stopping, just like the rotary). I've had great results with Autogeeks 'Blackfire' One Step Polish. If you haven't watch this yet, it's well worth it. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hWmZzMF9mMWbnrA.html

@1kontrabida

Жыл бұрын

@@still-DJ Well said and u hit it 💯 this why I love detailing it’s like art a never ending education, I used to have a 3401 and let’s just say it was taken without my permission while I was on tour. When I got back I heard their going to stop production of the 3401 that’s why I went with rupes , I modded my rupes since I got them to make them for ergonomic and fit my needs. I ordered black fire just now per your recommendation lol! I’ve been using menzerna of course if u know u know lol sonax, rupes, Koch chemie and 3M finesse it . I just got the flex pxe80 and a 8mm Da which I swapped it with a 3 inch backing plate, been playing with them and imho the 3 inch polishers are the ones I would suggest to anyone that are just starting on detailing and for the seasoned veterans who haven’t tried using the 3 inch. For anyone reading this DA are very good as well it’s just when u tried them all you will find and prefer what feels more comfortable and right on ur hand, for me and D J and some the we felt right at home with the forced rotation, it’s like liquor I prefer 151 and diet and some love scotch or tequila lol

@tpike32

Жыл бұрын

Personally. For Joe homeowner weekend warrior a lower cost DA polisher such as chemical guys . Adam’s ..etc. is good. Not perfect won’t take out deeper scratches won’t burn through clear coat . Less learning curve . If you know what you are doing , then yes forced rotation. It all depends on paint type . Pad type . Compound type . You have to know what you are doing

@Rabbit.760

6 ай бұрын

​@@tpike32that's all nonsense the youtubers programmed you with. Any deep or moderate scratches you grab your wet sponge with 3k grit chome oxide and cross hatch that shit out.. then you grab your preferred medium line products and sleek it out. Then Boom! You just took 5 minutes to do better than what these idiots call a multistep paint correction. Take this knowledge to the bank my boy, it's yours to keep

I was under the (incorrect) assumption that all Rupes were forced rotation. Since that's isn't right, what is the benefit of Rupes that aren't FR over, say, a Griots Boss or even the Griots original 8"?

Thank you for the demonstration and explanation. I just recently discovered with my cordless grill the beauty of paint correction on my Jeep Wrangler with a bit of Maguire mirror 105. But it was a bit stress moment doing it with the drill. Now I am looking to buy one polisher that is created for that purpose. Now I am ready for fun (I retired) to keep my cars spotless. Will this tool overkill for a novice like me?

Would you say the 15mm is the more versatile option in comparison to the 21mm?

I see those CSI bottles in the back 👀. The chemist for the company came to me one day and gave me a ton of samples to try. I still have 3 6oz bottles of the ceramic compound from 2017 and it’s still better than half the stuff out there

Hi Luke, I bought a Maxshine DA after your demo a while back. I'm just wondering if you could briefly share your thoughts on the difference between the Rupes & Maxshine. As a weekend warrior, would it be worth it for me to upgrade to the Rupes?

@2Shine55

2 жыл бұрын

Hi John! I purchased a TopVork DA 3 years ago off of Amazon for 60. I did a lot of research on many DA polishers and I was looking at the Rupes really hard. I decided not to go with it due to the price. Also being a weekend warrior it just wasn't worth it. I did 2 paint corrections with an off brand DA and had absolutely amazing results! In my personal opinion, its not the tool that makes the detailer have great results. Its the how the detailer uses the tools! You'll be be fine with what you have but if you have the means to upgrade a d you want to do it go for it! Hope you and your family are doing well and staying safe through this crazy time!

@johnschiesser144

2 жыл бұрын

@@2Shine55 Thanks for your input. Great advise and I agree. As the Junkman used to say technique trumps equipment. Take care.

Great video as always. Love my RUPES DA, but lately I just use my new Milwaukee M18 Cordless. WOW its amazing. But DA all the way.

I have a DA polisher that is 900Watts so I believe it's 400 watts stronger than the rupes. Now I often find myself in a situation, that on modern cars like Audi and BMW I cannot remove all defects, even if I use a cutting pad with a somewhat abrasive cutting compund. Many of the deeper scratches (not through the clear coat yet) still persist. I do slow passes in vertical and horizontal pattern twice, then I speed up to 5000rpm and do 2 fast passes as the copmound gets finer. Still scratches. I been thinking about switching to a rotary but I see so many professionals using the LHR 15 that I am on the fence.

Thanks for the info.

Rupes da or Milwaukee M18 DA?

Great video on these two polishers, learned allot, thanks.

Would you say the g9 griots can be a good started for someone that wants to get into paint correction and ceramic coatings without breaking the bank?

@404notfound.....

Жыл бұрын

Definitely! 👍

Luke, what editing software do you use for your go pro?

Great content

@sebster6031

2 жыл бұрын

No

Do you use the washer mod?

I find rotary always the best. Any cheap one. I do have forced rotation and find the finish as good Forced Rotation just takes much longer.

Forced rotation is still dual action so it’s a different variable at play

The forced rotation with 2 drive gears is the dual action and the other one is a random orbital that only spins with momentum... might as well consider the vibration a triple action then. Idk how the RO got so widely called a DA

I use a rotary only to remove deep scratches. DA is my go to tool. In the end it’s comes down to profit. Great video

Hmm, I thought this video was actually going to be detailed explanation and definition of what a dual action and forced-rotation actually is.

Nice demo Luke. Rupes is a nice product no question but the cost is too overwhelming. Purchased a MaxShine 21mm throw for $189 with both 6” and 5” backing plates and which I believe has a 1000W motor and love it. For less than half the price. 🤷

@gagekilburn1796

2 жыл бұрын

The Max shine is literally the same thing copied by some group in china

@putosh

2 жыл бұрын

Maxshine is crap no comparison

Cocaine is a terrible drug!

@sphdg

Жыл бұрын

Fax

@tpike32

Жыл бұрын

😂. Yeah .. he needs to slow down . Take it easy . All I hear is bla bla bla bla bla .

Hi Luke, thanks for the awesome content.. Watching from Cape Town, South Africa 🇿🇦

Mille force rotary remove deep swirs. Jjj. You need to learn how to use Mille. Mille remove. 1000 grit l do color sanding for 35 years jj

You’ve lost me right at the beginning. Starting with a horizontal flat surface is the exact example NOT to use. Most auto surfaces are not hoods and roofs. The forced is the ideal polisher for the panels that bog down the DA and cost time. Keep the polisher moving and don’t overheat the paint. You’ll be fine with forced. Plus you won’t be stalling out.

@BroadBillHunter

2 жыл бұрын

i guess if you like taking multiple extra steps with multiple different pads/polishers.Almost always the cars are hologrammed out after a good forced rotation session.. it sure cuts like a champ but its finishing ability make it sub par to the dual actions finishing abilities esp rupes..

@nuckles2727

2 жыл бұрын

But isn’t the Mile a force rotation and dual action polisher at the same time

DA for cutting. FR for polishing.

@sebster6031

6 ай бұрын

But FR should cut faster?

@redsresearch

4 ай бұрын

pretty sure u got it backwards

@bnazzaro21

4 ай бұрын

@@redsresearch pretty sure I don’t kzread.info/dash/bejne/on5qu6Ogg8vTnKQ.htmlsi=AqQbh_nGglDDl_8I

@Methodical2

2 ай бұрын

@@redsresearch I agree.

Forced rotation all day papa

Nope Rotary is still superior bud with your argument and to be precise every updated Makita Rotary is going to be the Holy grail. If someone doesn't know how to identify the situation at hand, choose the correct product/pad combination and apply the appropriate application methods of the rotary to achieve the desired results then we cannot fault the tool but rather the operator

@Rabbit.760

6 ай бұрын

I like you, you know exactly wtf you're talking about. Makita beats everyone on low budget power tools

@rajivsewnandan4865

6 ай бұрын

@@Rabbit.760 Imo it out performs the festool, I think most people prefer the Flex over Makita but I find the added weight on Makita is actually well thought out with its balancing and almost never a need to apply downward pressure. The brushes also out last the rest.

@Rabbit.760

6 ай бұрын

@rajivsewnandan4865 The main festool 150 rotary is only 2000 rpm I just looked at them. Im shopping for a rotary right now that's why I'm watching all these bullshit videos lol. I'm debating on the makita 37cx, a dynabrade but I'm probably gonna get another 3M. Overall with polishers, abrasives and pads I like 3Ms simple line ups

@rajivsewnandan4865

6 ай бұрын

@@Rabbit.760 simple is the way

You wear me out just watching you...lol...slow down son. Life goes by too fast as it is.

Yes you burned through the paint because you did over 20 passes......

@tpike32

Жыл бұрын

He is a professional. But not Lamborghini or Ferrari pro . More like a pinto pro 😂

Not even the same pad what a waste of time. FR will eat DA any ady

1mm of clear coat?! 🤔 we talking microns here not millimetres son

This guy has no idea at all

This young man need's help.

Bro you help me out so much. Your personal input and stated experience is #INVALUABLE. There’s no monetary price that can be computed to equate your years of knowledge you give for free. Thank you again bro. I’ll start posting soon and believe you me I will be giving credit where credit is due. #WilsonAutoDetailingDictionary 📚📖🚙🧽