Best Leader for a Space Marine Army? Codex Characters Reviewed!

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Let's talk through the ranks of the astartes high command with a quick run through the commanders of Codex Space Marines...
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0:00 Intro and Characters in Marine Codex
2:50 Niche to Medium Strength Characters
5:51 Stronger Generic Leader Choices?
10:14 Codex-Chapter Epic Heroes
14:59 Divergent Chapter Character Choices
18:29 Detachments and Characters
23:55 Closing Thoughts and Outro

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  • @rickkcir2151
    @rickkcir21512 ай бұрын

    GW need to release a “chapter master” model for home brew chapters. Have the model be very customizable. That way if you want your chapter to be melee focus, range, fast, etc. you can do it. Add a rule that you can’t field characters from other chapters with the model.

  • @azeria1

    @azeria1

    2 ай бұрын

    That would make so much money I think

  • @proactive_studio

    @proactive_studio

    2 ай бұрын

    I always thought you can do this with existing chapter masters just with a shoulder pads and head swap. For example I want a chapter master that has a jump pack for my home brew so I use Kayvann Shrike expect not with emo hair

  • @BloodyArchangelus

    @BloodyArchangelus

    2 ай бұрын

    Naive child. Gw are so bleeding the kneeled before black rock and delete 30% of aos roster. You would not get nothing. Only poc and strong women. As we already has in last 40K books and animation.

  • @robertmelvin3428

    @robertmelvin3428

    2 ай бұрын

    If people are staring out seems like a good idea. Not like everyone has spare bits for custom chapter master

  • @Dtv8564

    @Dtv8564

    2 ай бұрын

    They used to have one very customizable option, the Space Marine Commander, but GW removed it years ago...

  • @Kill3rballoon
    @Kill3rballoon2 ай бұрын

    For pure meme-potential, the nerd rage ability that ups the attacks of Techmarines when a nearby vehicle dies has gotta be one of the funniest.

  • @WilhelmScreamer

    @WilhelmScreamer

    2 ай бұрын

    The techmarine on bike sheet has the ability too. Its very silly to send that missile

  • @sbeaber
    @sbeaber2 ай бұрын

    Apothecary needs to be able to pair with chaplains and librarians

  • @Daeavorn

    @Daeavorn

    2 ай бұрын

    Judiciar should be able to join Chaplains at least.

  • @majorearl12

    @majorearl12

    2 ай бұрын

    Apothecary Biologis should be able to revive a Gravis and have higher points for it.

  • @tinylittledragon9412
    @tinylittledragon94122 ай бұрын

    It's kind of fun that space marines seem to have more characters than other armies have total unit choices.

  • @AAw3s0m3
    @AAw3s0m32 ай бұрын

    Tyranid players: "I think I've heard of characters, but leading units?"

  • @ernstbergerbrent

    @ernstbergerbrent

    2 ай бұрын

    For real. I really wish a tyranid prime could lead warriors, hormagaunts, and termagants. A neurotyrant should be able to lead zoanthropes.

  • @AAw3s0m3

    @AAw3s0m3

    2 ай бұрын

    @@ernstbergerbrent and a Winger Tyranid Prime should have some form of decent ranged weapon to compliment the fact they can lead Gargoyles.

  • @ernstbergerbrent

    @ernstbergerbrent

    2 ай бұрын

    @AAw3s0m3 i know right? I also miss the neurothrope. I feel we're still paying for how good our 9th edition codex was.

  • @AAw3s0m3

    @AAw3s0m3

    2 ай бұрын

    @@ernstbergerbrent a pain for me as I only got into the tabletop aspect with the Leviathan boxset =^)

  • @azeria1

    @azeria1

    2 ай бұрын

    Swarm lord technically lore wise is a leader if we ever get a norn queen model

  • @SC1ENCEP1E
    @SC1ENCEP1E2 ай бұрын

    Ol captain Tankpuncher himself, Cap Tor Garadon

  • @NornQueenKya
    @NornQueenKya2 ай бұрын

    The best leader is the one decides not to face an oncoming horde of carnifexes

  • @The7guys

    @The7guys

    2 ай бұрын

    I play Deathwatch. It's my job to make stupid decisions like that.

  • @willshields4480

    @willshields4480

    2 ай бұрын

    So not Calgar?

  • @adasteele475

    @adasteele475

    2 ай бұрын

    I think I could do it, just give me duck tape and 5 minutes

  • @JasoniusRexington

    @JasoniusRexington

    2 ай бұрын

    Only problem is... NOTHING CAN STOP THE SWARM!

  • @stripeybag6977

    @stripeybag6977

    2 ай бұрын

    We're talking Space Marines not the Avatar of Khaine

  • @tyhar7493
    @tyhar74932 ай бұрын

    Gravis Captain with Artificer Armour enhancement is really good for 90 points. T6, 2+ save, 4+ Inv, 5+ FNP and halves damage. It's a little C'tan.

  • @VibratingSky

    @VibratingSky

    2 ай бұрын

    I play Boarding Actions. An Ancient with Artificer Armour for 50 points. 2+ 4++ 4+++. Although.. I'd love to get my hands on the Gravis now you mention it.

  • @businesscasualsauron

    @businesscasualsauron

    2 ай бұрын

    The Little C'tan That Could

  • @tyhar7493

    @tyhar7493

    2 ай бұрын

    @@VibratingSky I just started playing BA with some mates and ran this, although artificer armour in BA is different in the rules we found as it only give you 2+ and a 4++, not a FNP. Depends on how your running it tho. FYI he went 1v1 with Azzy who charged him, he tanked most of it and then took Azzy off the board... lol

  • @stu_gibson

    @stu_gibson

    2 ай бұрын

    He's great to take on his own. Deep strike him into corners to do objectives/challenge for opponents home objective, and be a pain in the arse to kill while doing it.

  • @VibratingSky

    @VibratingSky

    2 ай бұрын

    @@tyhar7493 Ancient has 4+++ built-in on objectives or if he is within 6" of the board centre. Just use him to hold an objective for a couple of turns.

  • @gergerflarg
    @gergerflarg2 ай бұрын

    I've gotten an insane amount of value from the Chaplain with Jump Pack paired with Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs. The amount of wounds being output by that squad punches up like crazy.

  • @smudge5

    @smudge5

    2 ай бұрын

    Nice. Running this for the first time this weekend, any tips?!

  • @tyhar7493
    @tyhar74932 ай бұрын

    Regarding Calgar I'd really like a points option to run him without his Honour guard.

  • @chaserandalow8548
    @chaserandalow85482 ай бұрын

    Helbrecht and a squad of sword brethren with lieutenant is just so funny, because it's never a question of 'will they kill' but of 'will they get in'. Because if they do get in, whatever they are fighting will die. Very often has the squad by itself taken down huge targets before helbrecht even got the chance to swing, and equally as often has helbrecht cut down nearly an entire squad of space marines just by himself. Very satisfying to watch them blend a knight apart in one turn of combat, just have to be careful to make sure they actually make it to combat (they love the land raider).

  • @vijayhare3787
    @vijayhare37872 ай бұрын

    Lieutenants are so underrated for making a shooty unit shootier (or a little more manoeuvrable if they get tied up in combat). I always field bricks of Sternguard led by Lieutenants, and one of them is always led by a Lieutenant with Fire Discipline (to make those sternguard bolt rifles lethal) and a Captain (to dish out a free strat each time). Hit them with Storm of Fire and Devastator Doctrine and they're murderous.

  • @xXShadowXx635
    @xXShadowXx6352 ай бұрын

    I've been running Adrax with a full Squad of Bladeguard and their Ancient! The full rerolls (when also targeting Oath target), with potential +1 to wound from the Crucible stratagem, and the OncePerGame +1 attack on everyone (Adrax included) is pretty brutal; and the whole squad having +1 OC while Adrax divides the opponent's by 2 is also very cool :)

  • @thelonewolf9866

    @thelonewolf9866

    2 ай бұрын

    I run the same combo but with a lieutenant (the Indomitus blade lieutenant). I like to attack the oath target and fish for lethal hits (when it makes sense) and then re-roll all wounds afterwards. Truly a brutal combo that even makes enemy armor quiver in fear. The fallback and shoot/charge is also handy for when the enemy tries to bog you down with distraction chaff units like a blob of Nurglings.

  • @bobgivens9095
    @bobgivens90952 ай бұрын

    Librarians in a Rhino is amazing! Adding Witchfire to the firedeck is severely under used.

  • @nomassgoer8350

    @nomassgoer8350

    2 ай бұрын

    The biggest issue with that is the unit choices. Now him with hellblasters or infernus in an impulsor I’d get behind.

  • @audunsterlie5023
    @audunsterlie50232 ай бұрын

    3:10 I don’t understand why the normal librarian isn’t used more! He’s 65 points and gives the whole unit a 4+ invul! Pair him with some devestators and boom, you got devestators with 4+ invul!

  • @tyetnic
    @tyetnic2 ай бұрын

    It would be bonkers, but very lore accurate if Chaplains could join Judiciars in squads. For balance reasons it’s probably best they can’t though.

  • @Vanklomp1
    @Vanklomp1Ай бұрын

    Whilst not optimal have found chief librarian tigurius fun with 6 bladegaurd as when walking up the board the -1 to hit is great on a 4 invul unit and protection from mortals is nice also. The added bonus of 0CP counter offensive or Heroic invervention takes people by suprise a little.

  • @jonnysniper666
    @jonnysniper6662 ай бұрын

    There I am priming a librarian and a captain in my tea brake. Sit down to have my tea and here is the video on how good they are. Perfect timing

  • @Dannyrevv
    @Dannyrevv2 ай бұрын

    I've been running a Sanguinary priest and a Captain together in a big unit of jump Intercessors in BA, having the extra bodies for the on charge mortals as well as the FNP, AP and captain buffs feels super fluffy and decently strong

  • @Sonof_DRN2004
    @Sonof_DRN20042 ай бұрын

    I really want them to make a Techmarine on bike.

  • @BurnByMoonlight
    @BurnByMoonlight2 ай бұрын

    I miss my Deathwing Strikemaster. Lethal Hits on 40 Storm bolter shots with OoM, or Maces of Absolution back when they were damage 3.

  • @ravenRedwake
    @ravenRedwakeАй бұрын

    If you could put aggressors or eradicators into drop pods, nobody would take Uriel “Simple Jack” Ventris.

  • @MRDALEK-wx7he
    @MRDALEK-wx7he2 ай бұрын

    I also think the captain + sword brethren + the honor vehement. In the assault doctrine with his once per game you get a crazy 10 attacks at strength 10, AP 3 and damage 3 with dev wounds

  • @frostypineapple
    @frostypineappleАй бұрын

    My favorite part of the video was hearing you pronounce judiciar and knowing I’m not crazy (all my hobby friends say it like judiKar and it drives me crazy lol)

  • @koendeprez9815
    @koendeprez98152 ай бұрын

    One of my next try outs will be the Ravenwing Command squad with the Fire Discpline attached to a full unit of Ravenwing Black Knights .

  • @majorearl12
    @majorearl122 ай бұрын

    I recently played a 1v1v1 as my first game back in months, against an experienced Votann and Necron player running really overpowered lists (3 C'tans on the board and alot of Hearthguard). I ran a Deathwatch Marine Rush list. 2 Watchmasters, Chaplain in Termie armor leading 10 termies to tie and distract the mid board. Then 5 squads of Deathwatch Vets, Sergeant and one Vet with shield for 4++, 4 Thunder Hammers, 2 Frag Cannons and 2 Infernus'. It worked pretty well even though it ended turn 2 since it was late, I wouldve been second (Votann player was going to be wiped out next turn and Necron wouldve been capping points). I already adjusted the list abit but even attaching a Watchmaster made the Vets movavble enough to shoot and charge and deal alot of attacks out on an enemy unit.

  • @crashingatom6755
    @crashingatom67552 ай бұрын

    Lieutenant in reiver armor. I forgot they even made that lad. They must hate selling reivers, based on the rules.

  • @98765zach
    @98765zach9 күн бұрын

    Usually I don’t really care overmuch for Librarians because I’ve never felt the need for them over other characters in most general matchups, but in my vanguard spearhead detachment where I’m rocking almost pure Phobos armor and scouts? Phobos Librarians are worth their weight in gold. Stopping anybody from shooting you outside of 12 is amazing for units who won’t be closing the distance willingly, like eliminators or your backline infiltrators

  • @thelonewolf9866
    @thelonewolf98662 ай бұрын

    Gravis Captain with the adamantine mantle enhancement with 6 Aggressors is quite nasty in Firestorm. If the enemy targets you with high AP, damage 3+ attacks that would shred trough the Aggressors like paper, you can halve the damage thanks to the captains ability and then reduce it by 1. Anything that deals 4 damage or less is reduced to flat 1's against him. The captain can theoretically take 5 hits that would've killed 1 aggressor each, and stand with 1 wound remaining. Sure that makes him 100 pts, but 5 aggressors is 200 pts!

  • @Red_Bishop
    @Red_Bishop2 ай бұрын

    Deathwatch's Thief of Secrets enhancement goes hard on Captain/ Gravis Captain, or Judiciar. Apothecary on a Proteus kill team lets you ressurect a terminator as well.

  • @normtrooper4392
    @normtrooper43922 ай бұрын

    A tech marine would be cool. Used to run one on a bike back in the day.

  • @junkdunkster7201
    @junkdunkster72012 ай бұрын

    you should make a video about "making the perfect combat patrol for every faction"

  • @nadicosama84
    @nadicosama842 ай бұрын

    Which model is being shown during the Gladius Task Force screen, I'm not sure I've seen that one before and he's kind of awesome.

  • @FrozenPyro06
    @FrozenPyro062 ай бұрын

    Space Marine captains are my babies and I’m not gonna pretend otherwise. I love them so much, especially the standard Captain with Finest Hour. It’s just so thematic and fluffy

  • @angelicforce0188
    @angelicforce01882 ай бұрын

    Ooh ooh, do chaos next!!

  • @patriciocarrizo5065
    @patriciocarrizo50652 ай бұрын

    Now you have me thinking about more videos like this one with the rest of faction, and would be easier than SM

  • @davidkimball5222
    @davidkimball52222 ай бұрын

    I like a Terminator Captain with Fire Discipline. Terminators Rapid Fire Storm Bolters straight out of a Land Raider or Rapid Ingress under Devastator Doctrine can be quite tasty. Big investment though .

  • @Kalemvir1
    @Kalemvir12 ай бұрын

    The problem with putting the Reiver Lieutenant on Hounds of Morkai is I dont want the Lethal Hits to compromise my Dev Wounds

  • @declanpm8578
    @declanpm85782 ай бұрын

    For the Space wolves, a Librarian and 15x Bloodclaws is an underrated tanky block. Takes a fair while to get through.

  • @SafetyBriefer
    @SafetyBriefer2 ай бұрын

    ‘They’re likely to get the jump on you and not the other way around.’ -I see what you did there. 😊

  • @hamtaren
    @hamtaren2 ай бұрын

    Just to note, Vulkan He'Stan only gives reroll to wound, in the index he gave both to hit and wound.

  • @Winter-Nine
    @Winter-Nine2 ай бұрын

    I might have missed it, but thoughts on the chaplain in terminator armour? Stick him a squad of 10 Death Watch terminators, 3 Cyclone Missle Launchers, 7 Storm Shields... LOADS of wounds and 4+ Feel no pain!

  • @War_Hammered
    @War_Hammered2 ай бұрын

    Ive actually written a competitive space marines list that does feature a Phobos Lieutenant leading 5 deep striking Reivers! I might of gone mad. But the shoot move ability is fantastic. I will be featuring them on my channel soon if anyone wants to see how that goes for me 😂

  • @captaincoolbreeze9429

    @captaincoolbreeze9429

    2 ай бұрын

    I've written a non competitive Raven Guard list that has the exact same unit. Deep striking Reivers with bolt carbines with the Phobos LT's shoot and scoot ability just seems like a good combo at least if nothing else just to have an annoying shooting skirmisher unit.

  • @War_Hammered

    @War_Hammered

    2 ай бұрын

    @captaincoolbreeze9429 grotz sat on home objectives will fear that unit. Nothing much else will tho 😅😅😅😅

  • @captaincoolbreeze9429

    @captaincoolbreeze9429

    2 ай бұрын

    @@War_Hammered I did say annoying skirmisher unit, meaning it can deep strike, do a little shot with either bolt carbines or their -1 ap pistols, then move away, plus the LT gives them lethal hits. Is this a dangerous unit, no, but it is still an annoying harassment unit that has space marine toughness, wounds, and armor save.

  • @War_Hammered

    @War_Hammered

    2 ай бұрын

    @captaincoolbreeze9429 yeah exactly. I hoping I can use them to Bully a unit. Hopefully nick an objective. And if its going really well. Score a couple of secondaries before my opponent redirects someone hard to go deal with them. On paper it sounds decent 👌 hopefully it goes well for us

  • @captaincoolbreeze9429

    @captaincoolbreeze9429

    2 ай бұрын

    @@War_Hammered That seems like a good strategy. Reivers do not have much of a punch in shooting and their special rule is hit or miss since it forces a battle shock test, but otherwise you have a fairly cheap harassment unit with space marine stats that will require your opponent to dedicate some decent shooting or melee to deal with that they would rather use on a bigger threat. Otherwise, if they don't deal with your Reiver Squad now you could score a secondary or snag a primary objective. If they do devote something to deal with the unit now you have an actual damage dealer to counter punch.

  • @cabellism
    @cabellism2 ай бұрын

    The "rarely seen" Ancient, wow why is not being used? This is coming from mainly a DG players, but the Flag Bearer we have is a hell of a lot weaker than this. Basic combat knife, basic "stinky" boltgun, and ability that "can" shine vs Bolt rifle -1ap, assault/heavy, with a option of getting a power weapon at no downside, with a fnp.

  • @LoneWolverine1

    @LoneWolverine1

    2 ай бұрын

    For 15 more points you can get a lieutenant with a power fist and a plasma pistol, who gives the unit he is leading lethal hits as well as fall back, shoot and charge. The ancients fnp only applies to him leaving the +1 oc as his bonus to the squad. The squads deserving of a leader would just prefer the lieutenant buffs leaving the only real niche for the ancient is 15 less points to squeeze him into a list.

  • @droxi1059
    @droxi10592 ай бұрын

    Auspex up at the crack of dawn letting us know who the father of James Workshop’s tabletop mini-games really is

  • @joshy7759
    @joshy77592 ай бұрын

    4:41 a Phobos captain and two lieutenants leading full las fusil squads. All three squads move shoot moving with all those las fusil shots probably isn't great, but it's definitely funny.

  • @timostegemann9738
    @timostegemann97382 ай бұрын

    Laughs in 60 terminator ultramarine list in the beginning

  • @charleswatson2605
    @charleswatson26052 ай бұрын

    ooooh Auspex you forgot Pedro Kantor.... sigh.

  • @pwootton24

    @pwootton24

    2 ай бұрын

    There it is. Kantor with a Lieutenant in Gladius and Sternguard is very punchy.

  • @walterdenny8143
    @walterdenny81432 ай бұрын

    I never play a game without my doomstack of 10 Hellblasters led by their sub Chapter Master Lazres Tidus the Chief Apothecary of my Chapter, always overcharge and sometimes they blow up and shoot again… well you get another boy back next turn ey!? It’s a potent combo that’s gets a lot of fear when I play people lol

  • @ima1hpwounder580
    @ima1hpwounder5802 ай бұрын

    Terminator ancient is rather decent when you build for a max terminator squad, you can combo it with a captain and give a terminator squad two enchantments

  • @thug4lyfe
    @thug4lyfe2 ай бұрын

    Best leader with be Brother sister Karen, genetically enhance with both bits

  • @ajemma78
    @ajemma782 ай бұрын

    The Best Leader is the friends we made along the way...

  • @sbeaber
    @sbeaber2 ай бұрын

    Librarian pairs well with ICC

  • @johnbradley8901
    @johnbradley89012 ай бұрын

    Been running 4th Company Ultramarines in the Vanguard Spearhead, because I love pretending to be an eldar player.

  • @SpectralMist
    @SpectralMist2 ай бұрын

    Poor Pedro, lost and forgotten 😢

  • @poursperfectpints
    @poursperfectpints2 ай бұрын

    I don't play competitively, but I'm struggling to see why the standard Ancient is bad. Pretty cheap, some extra power sword attacks, and extra OC. If you're going up the board with a Crusader Squad or Assault Intercessors, that extra OC can be huge if you need to take an objective from horde units.

  • @deathangel800
    @deathangel8002 ай бұрын

    Darn, no love for Pedro. Maybe they'll give him a touchup when they inevitably make him primaris.

  • @Muscle_Knowledge_PP
    @Muscle_Knowledge_PP2 ай бұрын

    Theres one leader that is needed... RUSS ON A THUNDERWOLF!

  • @delta35thereal
    @delta35thereal2 ай бұрын

    Gabriel seth by himself is crazy scary when i had him 1v1 a squad of paragon warsuits and a land raider, but put him together fwth a blob of assault intercessors and a sanguinary guard and you dont want to touch them

  • @fuzzypat

    @fuzzypat

    2 ай бұрын

    How did your opponent have both Paragon Warsuits and a Land Raider?

  • @delta35thereal

    @delta35thereal

    2 ай бұрын

    @@fuzzypat two different games

  • @baloonfart8082
    @baloonfart80822 ай бұрын

    Shout out to Vulkan and Adrax. They are both monsters.

  • @RockmanXV
    @RockmanXV2 ай бұрын

    I hate to be that guy, but as a loyal son of Dorn and defender of Rynn's world. I must point out you left out the most noble of leaders, Pedro Kantor. There may not be much to say about him, but I can't leave my chapter master out like that. 😅

  • @woahhbro2906
    @woahhbro29062 ай бұрын

    What's the best leader for World Eater Terminators?

  • @ultrasimp2489
    @ultrasimp24892 ай бұрын

    The biggest problem with Tygerius is that he just doesn't lead any of the units that your army cares about. He was kind of interesting before sternguard got nerfed, but now the best units that he can lead are intercessors, which isn't a good position to be in.

  • @rizzington1
    @rizzington12 ай бұрын

    Biologis Putrifier whoooop whoooop

  • @PhillipOnTakos
    @PhillipOnTakos2 ай бұрын

    I do think the Chaplain on Bike is a bit underrated. The ability to give Dev wounds to weapons with Twin-Linked can lead to some downright "That shouldn't have worked moments". They are held back my outriders/ATV being underwhelming but yeah in StormLance or The Raven Wing detachment they're good fun. Also for First Company take the destroy a model on failed battleshock enhancement and put Reivers and Infernus Marines in that detachment and you can cheese out some kills. With Guilliman so you can get two Hit and Wound Re-roll oath of moment targets in a turn and it becomes something that's not going to win you every game but it's fun.

  • @gutzyzz1302

    @gutzyzz1302

    2 ай бұрын

    The issue is when you've got combos like flamestorms 6d6+6 (30 average) strength five ap 1 damage 1 twin linked flamers with dev wounds for 2cp you can give for free with a gravis captain on a 6 man block of aggressors and that's only like 320 points Vs 12 damage 1 S4 attacks attacks for 160 outriders and (70 I think chaplain) 230 points isn't the best, 90 less points no ap, one less strength and understanding half the average attacks with no potential to spike higher. Listen I love bikes I've bought 9 outsiders since the codex came out but I have no intention of playing them right now as they are just THAT bad sadly 😊

  • @PhillipOnTakos

    @PhillipOnTakos

    2 ай бұрын

    @@gutzyzz1302 That is a very good combo. I will not deny that but it requires a lot of investment. You need to play a specific detachment (It is one of the better ones true) it's a higher point investment and you can't use your free battle tactic on say Armour of Contempt to keep those slow moving aggressors alive and it locks you out of other Captains (Tacticus Captain with Infernus can do that job as well). Even with assault. It can be hard to move them up the board sometimes so if you need a transport, which means a Land Raider Redeemer that's is 260 points more points. Since a Repulsor doesn't have the transport space for 7 Gravis marines. That's over 500 points a quarter of your army for this super combo. Yes, Bikes aren't that good I'd never say to build around them. They are a good way to move up the board quickly score secondary points and with the dev wounds can do some damage. You can slap them onto the army for cheap cost and you don't feel like you've lost your linchpin when go down. I treat them as an annoyance to distract my opponent with while more important moves are made.

  • @gutzyzz1302

    @gutzyzz1302

    2 ай бұрын

    @@PhillipOnTakos it's actually a lower point investment, you have to think of the game as points per x, it might cost more linearly but per point it's astronomically more efficient, 90 about 45% more points for over 3x more average damage profiles. Also armour of contempt is a battle tactic , so you can always use that to move these up the board anyway? Not to mention we can take Uriel to deep strike them if we so wished which is 75 points so why on earth would you need a redeemer, when we can now deep strike AND then advance and shoot with the detachment rules. And locking out of other captains is so what? Immolation protocols on them again is simply more efficient and it's the highest cost stratagem by far, so you aren't losing out by using your one captain free stratagem there. Also I thought the discussion was simply about the bikes Vs alternatives in regards to twin linked, Dev wounds potential, which the bikes really aren't that good at (again I love bikes) but it's just the truth, and they aren't good IN ANY detachment as they simply don't really gain anything from any of them, (unfortunately). Even for scoring secondaries there are a few far cheaper alternatives that do that better, the holy god that is the scouts now even after the nerfs with guireilla tactics for the re-deploy, they havw infiltrate AND scout, so you can screen the enemies infilrators turn one, set up to score secondaries turn one and most importantly you can infiltrate and scout to get insane crazy move blocking on your opponents turn 1 , for 65 points a unit, shotguns for advanve and obj and if you get turn one even more move block potential. Plus there's the absurd callidus and ever sore assasins right now for 90 and 75 per, that do that better even for the pointsz and you can play those (and the scouts) ANY Detachment. I get what you're saying and for all intensive purposes play your bikes and can they score sure, can they do some fun twin linked dev wounds shenanigans, and if you love those models awesome dude but from a competitive standpoint they simply dont do ANYTHING better than other units can do for the points I'm afraid. I'm gunning to use 3 squads of them with an ATV (I've got the models already built and painted I love em) but they objectively just suck donkey balls.

  • @gutzyzz1302

    @gutzyzz1302

    2 ай бұрын

    @@PhillipOnTakos oh also you can take Calgar for some absolutely absurd melee damage of his own, his guards with their invul make the unit insanely survivable AND take uriel for 75 on top of that and that's 490 so less than taking the redeemer and now they can deep strike , advance shoot and charge and fallback shoot charge and you've got cp generation to run immolation on them , 3cp per battle round and you can then also run a captain to use the battle tactic for free ELSEWHERE and depending on matchup in declare battle formations you can obviously flex where you attach Uriel and Calgar very flexibly and where you want the deep strike. And not only all of that the mellee is astromically better for the points.

  • @gutzyzz1302

    @gutzyzz1302

    2 ай бұрын

    @@PhillipOnTakos they are playable but I wouldn't say good at anything. And I play at GTs 4 times a year and the bi weekly local league which has some competitive players too, one of which is the current best world eaters player in the country who placed 6th at the londonGT. So I enjoy it thankfully but you get pigeoned into playing good stuff and making each point count

  • @northcarroll5878
    @northcarroll58782 ай бұрын

    Where does it say battle tactic for the captain? It just says stratagem

  • @Copoc10
    @Copoc102 ай бұрын

    she-ra of the custodes

  • @wooptydo6241
    @wooptydo62412 ай бұрын

    No Pedro Kantor?

  • @launchpad62
    @launchpad622 ай бұрын

    We all know it is Asterion Molec.

  • @Sigismundssword
    @Sigismundssword2 ай бұрын

    I don't know the best is but I know what's the worst is: reiver lt

  • @_Morph1ne_
    @_Morph1ne_2 ай бұрын

    still mad about them taking away tor garadon's lethal hits. Put it back and just bump his points.

  • @isawaryokage
    @isawaryokage2 ай бұрын

    In my experience captains are way too expensive for what they do. A free strat is often not worth the bad combat profiles that need expensive enhancements makeing then even more expensive. Putting 2 characters in a unit is often a mistake. Chaplains are really bad in combat, ap-1 is often usless, the +1 to wound is nice but their second hability often does nothing. Librarians all the way. The protection vs psychic is surprisingly good vs a lot of factions I personaly play against, and their secondary habilities are awesome. Ancients could he half the points for their profile, lieutenants are fine, but can only join captains so I almost never use them.

  • @chasenovak122
    @chasenovak1222 ай бұрын

    Personally, I’ve found Iron Father Feirros to be quite essential for my strategy when I’m running Ironstorm. I usually castle him with 10 Heavy Intercessors and a Balistus. This creates a really tanky unit that can hold the rear objective, with a significant gun platform in the Balistus buffed by the Iron Father. It’s quite a fun unit if you learn how to build around it.

  • @treytison1444
    @treytison14442 ай бұрын

    Best leader is Grimaldus just cause he's cool.

  • @alextszchunchan6835
    @alextszchunchan68352 ай бұрын

    Best leader for other factions?

  • @guzwarsmith9390
    @guzwarsmith93902 ай бұрын

    It’s chapter master onga bunga

  • @BloodyArchangelus
    @BloodyArchangelus2 ай бұрын

    Best leader of space marines ? Dante. Not a god, but a Mountain of the man. His rules do not concern me.

  • @SlickSodaProductions
    @SlickSodaProductions2 ай бұрын

    Honestly while I agree that the Apothecary on paper doesn’t bring much to the table as a Leader, his Ability in your Command Phase to revive a model from the Unit is very useful, especially in making Units such as Bladeguard or Hellblasters more durable. I strongly recommend pairing the Apothecary in a unit like Hellblasters or something dangerous alongside a Lieutenant for Lethal Hits or someone who can give benefits like Sustained Hits or Invuls. Azrael, for example, is perfect with an Apothecary and Hellblasters. Otherwise, love the content and love the commentary. And on a side note; my Brother in Christ, get some sleep. You’re putting out more work than the Mechanicus on Maximum Overdrive.

  • @michaelsantangelo1875

    @michaelsantangelo1875

    2 ай бұрын

    My brother in Christ what apothecary model do you know that can attach to bladeguard?

  • @Acorbet86

    @Acorbet86

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@michaelsantangelo1875 part of the issue. Space marine leaders are too heavily restricted. Also look at the cost of an apothecary vs a spiritseer. Spiritseer gives +1 to hit and lethal hits as well as the revive. It can be paired with wraithguard/blades.

  • @charleswatson2605

    @charleswatson2605

    2 ай бұрын

    I think it's under rated as well, but probably gets cut for points I think. I run mine in a 10 man sternguard unit often.

  • @sbeaber

    @sbeaber

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@michaelsantangelo1875they probably meant inner circle companions

  • @sbeaber

    @sbeaber

    2 ай бұрын

    Librarian is a cheap 60n points that pairs well with ICC

  • @alexnaccarato8978
    @alexnaccarato89782 ай бұрын

    First… Nurgle loves you

  • @91CEO
    @91CEO2 ай бұрын

    I'm running a crusade, which totally side-sets anything "meta", as our crusade demands the use of less-used datasheets (though some have it more difficult to do so than others, unfortunately.. either by lack of choices or the player still over-optimizing their choices).. That said, the librarian is finally doing his part in the crusade. Being able to give 4+ invul to everything within 6", as well as getting a weapon upgrade is wild! I feel like a lot of the less-used leaders only works with better units or more investing (such as larger units) in most cases. Detachments also affects this..

  • @DanStone1980
    @DanStone19802 ай бұрын

    Judiciar.

  • @Desm0708
    @Desm07082 ай бұрын

    Fun (and by fun I mean annoying) fact I learned the other day; any ability or enhancement thing that lets you flip a dice to a 6 counts as modifying the roll, so it does not trigger things such as Lethal or Sustained Hits or Devastating Wounds. So putting the Firestorm enhancement on, say, the Biologis in an Eradicator squad is significantly less valuable.

  • @samuraiscimitar

    @samuraiscimitar

    2 ай бұрын

    Mmm don’t think so. It’s super common in tournaments to use something like a Death Jester with Fates Messenger (or whatever the enhancement is called) to get guaranteed sustained hits, fate dice for sustained on an avatar and so on. The “unmodified” applies to “modifiers” such as a plus or minus

  • @aarovit4257
    @aarovit42572 ай бұрын

    How to play White Scars on tabletop Step 1: Play Spacewolves

  • @shyflops
    @shyflops2 ай бұрын

    gonna say that combiweapon lieutenant is probably a terrible Leader For A Space Marines Army for at least two reasons

  • @shyflops

    @shyflops

    2 ай бұрын

    great character though

  • @stephenfeeney2966
    @stephenfeeney29662 ай бұрын

    When I see the points for great characters I realise how over coated Tau characters are, what's left of them

  • @Green-wd8xz
    @Green-wd8xz2 ай бұрын

    Da Best Boss Iz Da Biggest An Da Baddest! Da Meanest An Da Greenest!

  • @TheCrispAlien

    @TheCrispAlien

    2 ай бұрын

    So the Lion. He's the biggest of the Dark Angels. His datasheet will tell you he's bad (for the points). "Brother, I will bomb your mother." And he wears green.

  • @GM-rs2fv
    @GM-rs2fv2 ай бұрын

    Azrael. Which is kinda screwing over DA at the moment.

  • @HermieMunster
    @HermieMunster2 ай бұрын

    Of course going forward it will be the female Space Marine captain.

  • @basteala525

    @basteala525

    2 ай бұрын

    You know in a weird way, there's actually an easy way to retcon that in, simply by making her be Primarch of the II Legion.

  • @Damnedlegion40k
    @Damnedlegion40k2 ай бұрын

    Add a comment...

  • @MrFallout2
    @MrFallout22 ай бұрын

    Not even gonna mention azrael?

  • @michaelpuckering6155
    @michaelpuckering61552 ай бұрын

    No Dante :(

  • @BloodyArchangelus

    @BloodyArchangelus

    2 ай бұрын

    They hate him. He is too noble and too white for them. In first founding Gw had the audacity to portrait blood angels as black- hair Chinese. Just f*ck them.

  • @misterfevillord1588
    @misterfevillord15882 ай бұрын

    A girl costudes sounds like the best leader for the whole empire

  • @chrisbeau76
    @chrisbeau762 ай бұрын

    Dude, I'm getting burbt out from experiencing the exact same internal balance isues with my Necrons who have only 5 Detachments, when looking back it should have been 6 to represent the 6 main Dynasty playstyles...I'm sick of the contant rules changes and having 2 detachments that should have cool rules (Annihilation Legion and Obsience Phalanx), but wewre written so badly I'd rather stick to awakened dynasty. Then watch 3 really cool Epic Overlords get sent to legends, while watching Renaimtion get chipped away with each update to the point its just a flavor/lore rule. Evetyone should have a Quality Codexsuch as what the Orks got and I'm happy for them. In my case apparently GW didn't know what they were doing when they wrote Necrons and Dark Angels. Its disheartening. Id rather play new faction, but the ones Im interested in still only have thier Index detachment and if I chose the wrong army and watch a bunch of data sheets go away again I'm done...Its either Old World Fantasy or Kill Team or a non GW game like Marvel Crisis. Skirmish games seem really fun and they can play around under an hour or so. Id even consider Boarading Patrol, but GW appears to have all but dropped support for the 500 point version which they put several resources into with the tight quarters terrain.

  • @Sonof_DRN2004

    @Sonof_DRN2004

    2 ай бұрын

    Well it could always be worse. Poor admech and Custdoes.

  • @basteala525

    @basteala525

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Sonof_DRN2004 That's a really low bar, and honestly, the only reason it's not worse for Space Marines is because they were never as good as Custodes to begin with. Real talk, the Codex nerfed Oath of Moment, Terminators, Sternguard, had countless models including some very good units (sniper scouts say hello) get cut, and then they got hammered by points hikes on anything performing decently well all while never even sniffing 50% WR. What happened to Custodes sucks, hardcore, but this is a comparing of having love and lost it for Custodes, vs Space Marines never getting to love at all.

  • @Sonof_DRN2004

    @Sonof_DRN2004

    2 ай бұрын

    @@basteala525 yeah the nerfs to the sternguard and terminators really stung, and probably stung a lot of people considering they were in the launch box. Sternguard are my favourite models, imo the best looking models in the game and they went from being very spicy with being able to shoot twice (provided they kill the 1st unit) to being given re-rolls to wounds against the Oath which was really really nice. No they only get to re-roll 1s against the Oath. Anyways it could always be worse, I’ve been undefeated for 6 games now so I count myself lucky.

  • @foxpawmcgee5351
    @foxpawmcgee53512 ай бұрын

    First!

  • @legatusnavium7060
    @legatusnavium70602 ай бұрын

    Lieutenant and tech marine. The others are not Worth their points

  • @jamespidgeon8748
    @jamespidgeon87482 ай бұрын

    Please realise everyone one of those leaders ALL OF THEM are melee based. So boring it made the video boring,

  • @bananaheals
    @bananaheals2 ай бұрын

    No Pedro Kantor?

  • @pilgrim357
    @pilgrim3572 ай бұрын

    I am a simple man, i see Auspex tactics, i click on Auspex tactics.

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