Glad I stayed till the end to know that the Handy Dad 1,000 comes with such a generous warranty program. Totally swayed my decision! 😂

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sticking around

this is best video for EV charger across youtube !, Thanks HandyDad ! Installing Emporia !!

@handydadtv

9 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful 👍🏻

Thank you! This video really helped me. Simple, easy to understand, and straight talk!

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful 👍🏻

Nice video summarizing a lot of data! Thank you!

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure

Thanks HandyDad!!! Great to have a clear review of the available options. I really liked the comparisons you made in the spreadsheet. This sealed the deal for me, I too tossed the non-UL models and picked the lowest cost N-American made unit, the Grizzly. Thanks for posting , you saved me hours of trying to compare all these models myself.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful 👍🏻

@737smartin

9 ай бұрын

Same! Post for algorithm. 😉

Great video! I’m a big fan of the style

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😊

Nice video comparison to help narrow down options. The Grizzl-E is outdoor rated for harsh environment is something important to some folks. It also has a locking pin to prevent people you don't know from using it if installed outdoors. Open software standard compliance might be important to some people. Thanks for sharing!!!

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info.

I did my research and purchased the Emporia 4 months before I saw this video. Charges friends MachE and my Niro PHEV flawlessly. Tesla MY ordered 11/01/21, expected delivery 1Q23. I hardwired mine with a 60 amp breaker. I love the energy tracking feature. Only downside is the thick and heavy charge cable, but that is to be expected at 48 amps. Charge cable is maximum length allowed by NEC, but should still reach the charge port on the MY.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s heavy for sure.

Appreciate the insight, a big thing to consider is outdoor mounting.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

They are all made for outdoor use.

Hello @HandyDadTV! Thank you for awesome videos. I need your advice with my charging extension cord. I followed your tutorials as an reference to install extension cord/outlet to charge my 2022 Tesla MYP that I purchased recently. I live in a condo and my manager didn’t allowed to install additional outlet. So the only option was to use existing 10-50 outlet with 50amp breaker for the oven. I used Y splitter to split an existing 10-50 outlet so I don’t stress the old wall outlet in the kitchen by plugging and unplugging. I installed about 45ft 6/2 AWG romex copper wire trough my ventilation pipe ( so I don’t make a hole in the wall ) and on the end installed weather proof 6-50 outlet box in my balcony. I run 75ft 50amp 6-50 6AWG copper wire welding extension cord from balcony to my car. I bought 6-50 adapter from Tesla and using my mobile connector to charge my Tesla. I am getting 32amp max output, 28miles/h or 7-8 kWh from this setup. On my cars screen I see voltage drop from 240v to 231v when car is pulling juice. All 120ft long cables stays cool so far after overnight charge when weather is about 40-50 F. Last week was bit warmer ( 65F in afternoon ) and after 7 hours of charge I found that cables were little warm on touch. Question: Is it ok if I swap my 50amp 6AWG 75ft long extension cord to some lighter 40amp 8AWG 75 ft long extension cord same brand? The concern is that 6AWG is too heavy to cary every time when I charge my car. I can’t leave cable outside since kids play around and I don’t want to put on risk anyone. Thank you!

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

I admire your creativity, but that setup worries me. It’s certainly not up to code and if you have any incidents, you could end up with a huge lawsuit with the property manager and community. That said, 32 amps is the fastest the UMC can charge. And voltage drop is normal on long runs so there’s nothing you can do about that. But I wouldn’t use a lighter cord even though you're only pulling 32 amps.

Good job on comparing different type of EV home charger so we can choose what is better for every individual needs.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful

this is explained in a good understanding for someone who isn’t savvy with wiring and covering the whole market thank you for sharing

@BOO5T75

Жыл бұрын

I own a 2014 i3 but I was considering what was best for home since I live with my parents

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 😊

Good great explain

@handydadtv

10 ай бұрын

Thanks

I have the Grizzl-e. Setup for 40 amps. Charges our ID.4 and our Leaf. Before I was using it to charge my Bolt. It is a basic plug and go work every time. Thanks I appreciate it 🙂.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info

Hahaha! Nice little acting skit there at the end! I appreciate another great informative video Chris! I have a Model Y as well. I live in a Condo and I don’t have a EVSE hook up. Possibly one of these days 😊.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Do you charge at work? Or exclusively on Superchargers?

I have a JuiceBox 32A hardwired unit that I purchased May 2020 for $599 from Amazon. I have a 2020 Chevy Bolt which maxes out at 32A. The first unit died but they sent me a new one quickly no questions asked, they have great customer service. The new unit works perfectly fine.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info!

Thanks for the info, just got a Pacifica plug in Hybrid.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Congrats!

@christopherskuster6029

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv I just ordered the Emporia. When I talked to an electrician, they told me I have to hardwire ours because the code in Iowa says if there is a plug-in for one, it has to be a GFCI and that will just keep tripping so he said because of that they have to hardwire it.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

You’re better off hard-wiring it.

Thank you. Good info. Need to review it again to dig deeper. Recently placed a Model Y on order. I’ll look but is this charger programmable to charge at specific times? Thank you.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but the Tesla app is better for charge settings.

Love your channel. This resonates well with me and my own way of thinking. I’ve also had to explain why I chose a J-1772 EVSE over the Tesla EVSE wall unit and had the same reasons as you. Now it’s easier just to share your video with anyone who may ask lol

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 😊

Very helpful. I tip my hat to you and that Salesman Sir.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful 👍🏻

VERY VERY GOOD VIDEO

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much 😊

I charge my Model 3 with the Grizzl-E. Great robust unit. I bought an extra J1772-Tesla adapter to leave on the EVSE. NOTE: The Grizzl-E can be hardwired, mine is. You just need a 1" to 3/4" knockout adapter and a 3/4" FMC connector. Well, you could run 1" FMC all the way, but 3/4" is what I had. Anyway, the terminals inside need spade connectors, it doesn't have wire clamp connectors so you can't connect bare wire to it. 2nd note: The Grizzl-E does have ground integrity check where it sends out a 20mA signal, so it WILL trip your GFCI breaker, hardwired or not. Now that 2020 code requires GFCI on all receptacles, Grizzl-E should just remove the integrity check function and keep its GFCI passive.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info. Perhaps the GFCI setting should be configurable.

I love my two Wallbox EVSEs as they support Power Sharing so I don't need 2 40 amp circuits, they can share the same 60 amp breaker.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a good feature.

I have the Emporia evse (hard wired, 48 amp) for my 2023 Bolt EUV, LT trim. 2 months and 2,000 miles later, operation is perfect and the monitoring software provides an accurate measurement of the TOTAL electricity provided to the Bolt. A reasonable, non algebra estimate is 15% loss, with 85% delivered into the battery. Our other vehicle has not been fueled in 2 months. I love this car. Love your stupid jokes ar the end, too.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much 😊

I've had the juice box & emporia. The emporia is flawless!

@handydadtv

11 ай бұрын

I agree ☝🏻

Model S ordered in July FINALLY coming, have 14-50 and looking at charge options.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Start by pre-ordering the 14-50 adapter for the UMC. That will charge fast enough for your daily commute. You’re going to love that car!

Have you done (or are you going to do) a full "review" on the Emporia? It's on my shortlist, but there's almost no reviews out there on them. Do you have it tied into your Vue? I'm super curious how the "excess solar" function might work. We currently have a dumb charger that can only do 32amps. More than enough for our needs, but I'd like to make that our portable charger and install something a bit more permanent in the garage. Thanks!

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

The EVSE isn’t tied to the Vue, other than I told the Vue which circuit it’s installed on. But they both use the same Emporia app. I’ll consider a video in the future.

Good video! After 6 years and 9 months my Clipper Creek HCS-40p (nema 14-50) died. Suddenly refusing to click the contactors n ometter how many times I reset it and waited for it before powering it back on. Unfortunately the 3 year warranty expired obviously more than 3 years ago. I have had 2 LEAFs and 2020 Bolt which GM replaced with 2022 Bolt EUV.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Double the warranty period is good!

I have the GrizzleE for one week and it’s working great. Had I seen this video prior I may have gone with the Emporia, but I do not think I would be pushing the output to the limit at 48 amps (I even debated slowing down my current 40 amp rate to 32 to reduce heating since I typically charge overnight anyway). Either way, can’t complain! Informative video!

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Definitely use the lowest rate to complete your charge overnight. No need to be done in 2 hours if you’ve got 10.

@DaHanG

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv dumb question, but am I reducing the heat by utilizing the command in my EV to take a “reduced” charge? I assume so, and I ask because that’s a more convenient setting for me to adjust as the grizzlE requires me to open up the box itself every time if I want to change the Amp setting. I do want fast level 2 charging at times.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Not sure what kind of EV you have, but I can set the level of charge (ie. 80%) and the rate of charge (ie. 32 amps) within the Tesla app or in the car.

While waiting for Amazon to have the ChargePoint Flex in stock (separate comment) I purchased a Mustart multi (15/25/40) amp. The unit has a very heavy cord and charging cable. It feels extremely well built. We have only used it a few times to charge a 2019 Kia Soul. First time we charged it from ~50% it showed 2.5hrs on the 40a setting. Second time I set it to 25a thinking it better to charge lower overnight it still showed 2.5hrs from ~48%. Thinking that odd and not trusting it at that point the next time I hooked up a clamp on amp meter while trying the various settings. Initially we couldn't get it to charge at 15a so tried 25. 25a setting on the Mustart showed 22-23a on the meter. Then we selected 40a and found it only using 28a. That's when it hit me and doubled checked, the Soul has a 32a charger and so that's why the charge times were nearly identical, only 5a difference. When we tried 15a meter showed it using only 12-13a (we figured we didn't have the right app settings for the car to start charging the first time). This Mustart has delay start so you can avoid peak rates if you're time of day or peak charge on your electric plan. Of course the Soul and probably most other EVs have some sort of charge timer/delay now a days. I wasn't sure how long of wait the ChargePoint was going to be and sort of kick myself for getting 2 rather expensive units at nearly the same time. But if ever needbe we'll bring the Mustart on trips. But if their hadn't been a rebate on the ChargePoint Flex or it had been weeks/months before restocked, I would have gladly delayed purchase of a wall mount and happily used the Mustart for quite some time.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Good info. Thanks.

Hi HandyDad. I have to say that I've watched this video at least 3 times and every time I see the very ending part where you do your little skit as a snake oil salesman, it is so fricking hilarious. Makes me laugh uncontrollably every time! 🤣🤣😂😂Really good stuff! It's too bad the Emporiam went up by $100. of course ChargePoint is over $900 on Amazon now. Crazy world we live in!

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 😊 Hoping my point was clear: all EVSEs are essentially the same. Expensive doesn’t charge faster or better. I’m waiting for someone to introduce a charger with a “power conditioner” that claims to provide cleaner power to improve your battery life. Like the fancy gasolines that keep engines 2x cleaner. Hogwash.

@LarryRichelli

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv While I can charge at 45 amps I don't. I only charge at 20 amps cuz it is better for my battery and so no reason to charge faster at home.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t heard any evidence that 20 amps is better for your battery than 40 amps, but I also charge as slowly as necessary to recharge overnight. I do that just for safety. Maybe it wouldn’t make a difference. But I feel better that way.

super great video, really interested to know if you can open quickly your tesla charging port with that charger or by touching on it? or do you have to open your iPhone app or go to the inside of the car to manually open the charging port? thanks!

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

As long as I have my phone on me, the charge port opens by touching it.

@JonatanCastro-secondary

2 жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv ah, perfect then. Thanks for your reply!

Wished you had expended the charge to show the warranty, country of production and UL certified. Good Video. Thanks for all you work on it. The length of the pigtail cord plug would be nice to include in the length of the cable, too. like the charge cord length of 25ft + 4' pigtail. or 25+4.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

We have a non Tesla and have the grizzl-e non Wi-Fi charger at home and love it. Also you can buy a connector to charge from a Tesla wall unit to J1772, but I wish everyone would just install the J1772

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

I wish we had one standard in this country.

I purchased the Wallbox because it’s small enough to be a portable charger if needed and can be controlled by Bluetooth or WiFi. Also tracks the power consumption on the app. Very happy with it. No regrets.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info

Great video. I would argue though that there is more than just the cord, the ampacity, and the UL listing to consider (Although I think a UL listing is non-negotiable, it's a must): My friend had a pretty bad time with Grizzl-e when charging his Wrangler 4xe. The connector was getting stuck in the charging port - the vehicle would not release it. You might say that it's the car's fault, but the Chargepoint that he switched to after Grizzl-e does not have any such problem.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Good to know. Thanks.

OpenEVSE used to offer a 40ft EV cable... (what I have)... it's awesome to be able to charge 2 cars parked end to end with the same charger, and not have to reposition.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Wow that’s long. Must weigh a ton.

@ericwitt23

2 жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv Not really, you don't ever handle the whole 40ft.... just gets dragged on the ground to where it's needed.

Good video. There is a Tesla to J1772 adapter. So you could charge a non-Tesla on a Tesla EVSE. No super charging though (Yet...).

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

That adapter is over $150. But yeah it’s an option.

Very good video and the only one I've seen mentioning the 2 chargers that aren't mentioned anywhere. The EvoCharge and the Amazon Basic. Those two look like the PowerCharge Energy E20SWE, but with different warranty lengths. Although I can't confirm if they are the same unit. The other one I like in your list is the Emporia. Speaking of lists, the AmazonBasic one has a 1 year warranty but the Google doc shows it as N/A. Again, very good video. Love the ending skit. Sending you some Coffee.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t find any warranty information on the Amazon Basics. Where did you see that?

@twospirits411

2 жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv in the Amazon page comments section for the product.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Got it. Thanks.

would you be able to do information on a level 2 charger for a 2022 tucson plug . full charge is only 33 miles thank you (keruida level 2 charger)

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

All cars in North America use the same J-1772 connector.

VW ID.4 - got the Electrify America L2 home charger because the car comes with 3 years of Electrify America Fast Charging. Wanted to keep it all in one app. Happy with the unit. Seems like great quality. Has Wifi and can be plugged or hardwired with the same unit.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Nice 👍🏻

@mcgarvy7

2 жыл бұрын

I preordered a VW ID. 4 as well . Can’t wait , delivery is between 6-9 months , hopefully sooner. Since u get 3 years free of charging with Electrify America I guess I’ll take that route. How much was the installation?

Price went up on the Emporia for the UL listed model. I wich thet had a 40A-only version so that the cable would be lighter.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

It’s heavy for my Tesla because of the extra adapter. But I tried it with a friend’s Ioniq and it clicks in place and holds tight.

Flo is also another great option, especially in cold climates.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

How does it help in cold climates?

I have a 2015 Leaf and a Clipper Creek HCS 50 ( since my Leaf has a onboard 6.6 KW charger, the extra capacity is not used at this time).

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll check it out

You didn't mention one of the best features of the Emporia: its power tracking capabilities. I also bought the Emporia a couple months ago, been charging my MYP with no issues. Like others have said the wire is excessively thick and heavy, other chargers I've seen have much thinner cable to charge 48amps. State of Charge channel compares thickness of cables too. Anyway the power tracking is the best thing about this, shows 7 day summary of each charge session including kWh provided, $ and length of charge. The main reason I went with it is because i already have the Emporia Vue 2 power monitor installed in my electrical panel. So I can see history of the charger and all my house power use by day, week month, year, etc.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

I have the Vue as well so I understand. You’re right. I should have mentioned it. But I think it was a compelling value anyway.

@crcurran

4 ай бұрын

Not just monitoring but throttling the EVSE to match houseload and solar output so all your Solar goes to your needs and not sent to the grid unless its excess.

Enjoyed video. Just curious why it would charge at 41A when circuit usually won't tolerate more than 80% of breaker rating or 40A?

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Voltage can vary slightly. Mine was a little high, so the screen calculated 41 amps.

@TofuInc

Жыл бұрын

The 80% figure comes from the NEC requirement of sizing of breakers for continuous load, such as an EV charger. The NEC actually allows non continuous loads to be 125% of the breaker rating. A breaker will handle a load at it's stated rating indefinitely. Depending on the breaker they will tolerate 1.5x to 2x their rating for over 15min before they trip.

I'm researching chargers for a Rivian that's coming at some point. The Emporia charger looks good. But, the $399 price you quoted seems to be for their non-UL version. The UL version is currently $549 on their website. But, that price still beats Rivian's charger costing $700.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

You can also blame this video for increasing demand. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@christopherskuster6029

Жыл бұрын

I just ordered the Emporia on Amazon for $399 UL listed.

I have a 125/250 V, 30 A, 14-30R outlet in my garage. Will I need to replace my 14-30R outlet for a NEMA 14-50 outlet?

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

If you have a Tesla, you can just get the UMC with a 14-30 plug.

Hi, are there any recommendations for 3-phase EVSEs (Here in Israel we have 3X40A, 220VAC/50HZ)?

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

I can’t answer.

Thank you for this video👍👍👍 Please make an updated revision every 6 months so we will know what has changed. Please add to the spreadsheet wifi or no wifi for each model (for me must have) planing to buy first ev Bolt EUV (because of the money)

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, I can’t commit to keeping data updated.

The metering data intergration are key for me. I have thier utiily metering and circuit level metering which work great. I have all my data in one app. I know exactly how much energy the car charging uses by the second, minute, hour, day, week, month, year, life. As well as all my other data. Great mobil app and support by phone is very good.

@handydadtv

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info

Very helpful video.. what is the difference between Nema and hardwired? Cons & pros?

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Outlets are more expensive, especially if you use a GFCI breaker, and they are more prone to overheating. The only advantage is that you can take your charger with you when you travel or move.

@reyzorback

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv so which one would you recommend? Also, what is the difference between portable level 2 and wall mount level 2 chargers? Pros and cons? Thanks for the reply!

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Once you buy an EV, you will never go back. Buy a hard-wired charger. Sell it with your house, just like your oven. Portable chargers are overrated because there’s nowhere to plug them in when you travel. Many hotels have destination chargers already. They don’t provide 240-volt outlets.

@reyzorback

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv thanks boss!!

I'm thinking about buying the Grizl-E Smart. Do you know if this unit provides an electricity cost tracking (summary of each charge session)?

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know.

@MNM14ful

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv Thanks for your reply.

Hi Great video....Thank you However...just received our Lectron 32A EVSE...and it is clearly UL and ULc certified. Hmmmmm Have a great day and Thank you for the video! Mike 🇨🇦 🍁

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know. They didn’t have UL in the Amazon listing when I did the evaluation.

Does any of these have surge protection? Or is a surge protector necessary for EV home charging?

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Good question. Never had this question before. I’m sure the electronics in an EVSE would fry during a lightning strike, but could it affect the car if plugged in? I’d think so, right? Sounds like a topic for a video.

Great review, How was the app? Sorry one more ?Do you have any experience with the autel maxi charger? I cant decide between the autel or emporia.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Never tried the Autel. The Emporia app works great.

@tonyb282

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv Thanks, Im ordering the emporia this week, I dont know if you get any credit but Ill use your link. I watched your videos with the emporia power monitoring. You actually get a little deal if you buy them in a package. Im getting the charger for sure. In your opinion is the power monitoring worth it? Thanks again for the review.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Be sure to use my discount code too. Thanks for using the link. I get a small commission.

great video! thanks. I'm getting the LADWP rebate, I have a tesla so the tesla charger was the intuitive option, but the tesla charger is not included in the QUALIFYING PRODUCT LIST from the rebate program. So I was wondering if it was a good idea to charge the tesla with a different charger. You answer my question so thanks again!

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know the amount of the rebate, but even at the full price of $400, the Tesla wall connector is a really competitive deal.

@joaquinespinacas3986

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv yes. That’s why i’m thinking about it. I want to go with the Tesla but they give $1750 for the installation+charger+dedicated meter. But only if it’s a non tesla charger.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Wow that’s an awesome rebate! But I don’t know why they discriminate against Tesla owners.

@joaquinespinacas3986

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv i dint know. they start doing that this year. I guess it is because tesla only works with tesla and you need an adapter. Buy you also need an adapter to charge a tesla with a J1772. And 50%(or more) of EVs in Los Angeles are Tesla, so it doesn’t make any sense to me.

@joaquinespinacas3986

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv I asked the LADWP and they said "at this time there are no qualifying Tesla Wall Charging Stations. The EV Charging stations are not eligible for a rebate because they do not comply with the J1772 plug standard and are not network capable (LAN/WLAN). As such, the Tesla chargers do not qualify for the purchase and installation portion of the Residential EV Charging Station Rebate."

Can that Emporia be used outdoors? My plug is outside , not in garage

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Its watertight NEMA Type 4 enclosure is made to withstand the elements outdoors.

One more things. Thanks for what turned out to be the review I was looking for, I have already purchased the Emporia unit. I don’t know if your Tesla is an all-wheel-drive or not, I couldn’t see the badge on the trunk but if it is you can charge that car at 48 A a.k.a. 42 miles an hour. All you needed to do was hardwire that unit into your panel right next to it…

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t hard-wire it because I still use the Tesla UMC on a daily basis.

@Magicinstalls

2 жыл бұрын

That's 8 amps you're leaving on the table. it's what makes that charger such a great value! You could hardwire the unit and have a plug on the same circuit, you just can't use them both at the same time.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Good idea. I’ll put it on my to-do list.

I have seen several Chargers that claim to be 48 amps and are plug into the Nema 14-50 plug. What size circuit breaker would you need for that 60 amp? Would it actually produce 48 amps?

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

To charge at 48 amps, you need a 60-amp breaker. If you read the description of those chargers closely, they can only deliver that kind of power being hard-wired. You can only charge at 40 amps max with a 14-50 plug and a 50-amp breaker.

Hello quick question. Is a level 2 charger able to schedule your departure time and have the vehical charged to 100 percent right before you leave instead of keeping it at 100 percent for long periods of time? I'm getting the outlander Phev and unlike most EVs, it doesn't have the departure feature.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

No, the charger doesn’t know how much time it will take to charge, so it can’t do a scheduled departure. The only reason to do specific time of day charging is to take advantage of off-peak electric rates, or to avoid charging while using other high-currently appliances like an electric oven, dryer, or air conditioning. If your car can’t do scheduled departure, I’d suggest you just start charging at a time that gives you long enough to recharge your normal commute. This video can help explain kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKGly7p9grasfbg.html.

@anthonyg8435

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv do you know of any level 2 charging station that can do this ?

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

No. The EVSE standard doesn’t communicate that information. So I don’t think any charger will be able to calculate the charge time needed for scheduled departure.

I have the JuiceBox it works great charging my wife Mustang Mach-e

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Good to know. Thanks!

The amazon link in your description for Emporia says that the EVSE is *not* UL listed. Maybe you included the wrong link?

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

I know the listing still says that, but they told me directly that they are now UL certified. The units were always manufactured to meet UL specifications, it just took time to become official. I guess they are waiting for units to arrive with new boxes and labeling before updating the listing. They told me on April 9, “We expect those to arrive in May.” If you are worried, I can forward you the exact email exchange I had with them. Email me at chris@handydad.tv if you want to see that.

@BenBayliss1982

2 жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv They are listing the UL model on their website at $449 and the non-UL at $399. So they might be charging a premium for a while as they sell off old inventory. Changes your $/x calculations slightly but overall still clearly a great value unit.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

@Ben Thanks. I saw that and updated the spreadsheet. Unfortunately I can’t change the video.

Quick question. My tesla wall charger seems to have a much thinner cord than my juice box which is only rated at 40 A. My tesla charger is rated at 48 amps. What gives?

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Tesla may use better wire with a higher temperature tolerance.

It looks like the UL certified version of the Emporia is $50 more and ships at the end of May. Any reason to wait and pay more for the UL Certified version?

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a personal choice.

@thomasgriffin4714

2 жыл бұрын

I prefer the additional safety asurrance the UL rating gives for a device that is controlling that much power in my home. You may want to talk to you insurance company and see if there are any consiqurnces to a fire caused by a non-UL device. Also consider that you are charging the most expensive electric appliance (your car) in you house and an extra $50 doesn't seem like much to provide the best protection.

I did on open evse charger with a j 1771 plug to charge my model Y I charge mine at 12 amp at .05 per kwh off peak. I do not want to charge fast because if i do i hit demand charges at 1.50 / kwh not good. and this works 90 percent of the time to recharge over night.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome! I would do the same if I could.

Question for you - I'm researching an EV Home Charger for a short term rental unit. Do Tesla owners typically carry the adapter? If I purchased a unit like the one you have, should I supply a Tesla adapter? Also, if it's for a short term rental, I'm leaning toward a unit that is not wifi compatible, because I don't want people to need to install an app on their phone for a charger they'll only use a couple times. What's your opinion?

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Great questions! First, you should definitely buy a J-1772 EVSE that is hard-wired so it doesn’t disappear. Yes, Tesla owners should always carry their adapter, especially if you advertise the J-1772 destination charger in your listing. Second, let’s say you go with the Emporia, which has WiFi, only YOU would have the app. Your guests don’t need the app to charge. But you can monitor usage and know how much electricity they use. You can also lower the charge rate when renting and crank it up for you.

@dna1149

2 жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv Thanks so much!

@fuckthisksksjjksdfjd

2 жыл бұрын

Would you rather a 16-50 outlet or j1772 at a rental?

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

J1772 hard wired is the best choice for a rental. I recommend the Emporia because it can be adjusted remotely and you can track usage to potentially charge back your renters.

First time buyers should look to their electric company for rebates and throw that into the equation as well. Here we were offered $250 rebate on a select few units which are of the connected variety; limited thusly to ChargePoint Flex (2 models) and EnelX Juicebox (6 models). Now, their market place had the CP Flex listed at $750, but the unit was $700 on Amazon, only out of stock. While they say they don't make money on the units, I thought it strange they charged more and even more than ChargePoint's own shop (at the time). Looking today, they're all $750 so I was lucky to grab one a few weeks back when Amazon had stock for a brief time (I caught it the day it went in stock and after completing my purchase they had 5 left and were sold out the next day). $450 I'm very happy with the price and the unit is well built. I have yet to connect it but even at $500 for either the flex or JuiceBox gives them a run for the money. I'm currently running a Mustart, I'll post a separate comment to help with the algorithm.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info

Are these chargers outdoor rated? Or is that an option I need to look into when purchasing one?.....Question from an electrician who's 69yr old mom is hell bent on buying an ioniq5. PS I know nothing about EV chargers but I know a whole lot about not buying something that hasn't been UL listed just to save a few bucks

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

A friend of mine just bought the Ioniq 5. It only comes with a Level 1 charger, which is 120-volts and plugs into normal household outlets. I showed him the Emporia and let him test it with his car and he went home to order one. He plans to have it hard wired. The price went up a little from the time I made this video but still the best value. handydad.tv/kuok

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

And yes, it is watertight for outdoor installation.

Wallbox pulsar plus 40 Amps are not manufactured in china but in Spain. The 48 Amps are now made in the USA

@handydadtv

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info

Clipper creek amazing E “fast” nema 14-50, 32 amps, 3 year warranty, UL listed

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Chargers are a commodity and Clipper Creek isn’t competitively priced in my opinion.

What is the best charger for a Ford f-150 Lightning?

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/features/ev-charging/ford-charge-station-pro/

Great analysis! Should probably mention that cars have their own inherent charge-rate limits. For my two PHEVs, the limits are 3.3kW and 3.8kW, so any EVSE over 17 amps is equivalent, for my vehicles. Of course, I want to future-proof, but even full EVs have limits.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

That adds a completely different dimension that I wasn’t prepared for. I just wanted to compare different chargers.

@barry28907

Жыл бұрын

Right, but just as you point out that 40 amps is 40 amps (and the rest is snake oil), for some folks 32a is the same as 40a, because their cars max out at a lower number.

@robhilgert1550

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv Thanks again for the review. Just one additional question. I know that having a WI-FI enabled charger does give you the ability to charge when the electric rates are lower, or can. But if you have the ability thru your vehicle to stop charging at certain levels, what else would be the benefit of having WI-FI? Thanks in advance.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

You don’t need WiFi. I’ve had my Tesla for 3 years and always charge with the UMC which has no WiFi.

I was confused for a bit as a Tesla M# 2018 owner why these? And the hardwired word is confusing. I have the Tesla connector for my 240V outlet so I'll move along.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

You must be using the Tesla Universal Mobile Connector (UMC). That’s the one that unplugs so you can take it with you. “Hard-wired” means permanently installed. Like a Tesla Wall Connector.

@jamesjordanjr6175

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv got ya. I fell off the wagon (Tesla mindset) the other day after installing my stove outlet in the garage for the M3 and wasn't getting the hardwired concept. Now wondering why the other EV's don't have unplug-take-it-with-you connectors.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

There’s really no need to take your charger with you. I’ve only taken mine a couple of times and didn’t use it. Tesla stopped including them free with every car because stats showed most people weren’t using them.

GFCI breakers are not required by code for hardwired units. Most EVSEs have GFCI protection built in.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure built-in GFCI is required, just like blow dryers. Unfortunately there’s no way to test it.

You can use an adapter on Tesla chargers to plug into j1772.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

It’s expensive.

@yolo_burrito

2 жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv true.

I see it says it requires 2.4 wifi which is no problem but in the case my internet goes down how does this affect the charger?

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

The charger will still work if WiFi is down.

I'm having a problem getting ANY EV charger to work...here's my setup: 240v 40amp 14-50 outlet set up in my garage by a friend who is a licensed electrician. I've watched him check the current at the outlet and it's showing just over 240v "hot". I have so far tried to use two different chargers... (1) the "fast flexible charger" from BMW that came with my Mini SE, and (2) a 32amp Lectron I bought off of Amazon. NOTHING happens when I plug in either charger. Is it possible I have two duds, or is there something else in the power train that is not working? Like I said, electrician's meter/tester thing definitely shows a "hot" 14-50 outlet at 240v. Plug it in, and...nothing. Any clue as to why this is happening and/or suggestions on the next step? Any advice is appreciated.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

There’s no way you have two duds. Did you ensure the breaker is ON? Go to 19:18 in this video to see how to test a 14-50. Use a meter to ensure your outlet has 240v across the two outside pins. You should get 120v across either of those pins and the ground. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gZqYp8utmbCcpZM.html

@tkusterb

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv Thank you for your reply and the link to the video. I watched as the electrician performed the tests you show in the video. He measured the left and the right (red and black) terminals separately and they each reached just over 120v. He did not measure the outside pins simultaneously like you did (showing the fill 240v). Yes, the breaker is on. Do you recommend plugging in the 14-50 plug FIRST with breaker off, then throwing it on? I don't think we tried that.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

It shouldn’t matter. Call the electrician back. Something is wrong.

What happened to the tungsten ring? I ca e from the swollen finger, Dremel video

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Good eye! I only wear it for special occasions. Getting a ring stuck on your finger is a traumatic experience.

Correction regarding the Tesla wall EVSE, you can charge other cars, but you just need an adapter.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Good to know

My utility company offered me the Charge Point flex for $199. Is that good deal?

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it is

@AeschylusShepherd

2 жыл бұрын

It normally goes for $699-$799 so it’s an excellent deal! In fact my electric company (PSEG) also offers the JuiceBox for $149 as well as the ChargePoint Home Flex!

@jcadult101

Жыл бұрын

Hellyeah! I bought one on Amazon for $699 and submitted a $250 rebate from the power company. $200 is less than the portable I bought!

are there any chargers that can charge faster than 48amps/12,000 watts?

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Not to my knowledge.

Btw - i got a 10% discount ordering directly from emporia...i put it in my cart. Got side tracked then later in the day they sent me a 10% off coupon.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

@jcadult101

Жыл бұрын

Procrastinators Unite!

Is the diameter of the 14-50 Bryant plug receptacle the same as the Hubbell (thinking about the faceplate)? My 2022 MYP is due in late June, live in an apartment complex and I'll be the first renter with an EV. The garage is directly below my bedroom & bath and it looks like the circuit breaker panel in the bathroom closet is right in line with a wall & corner in the garage. The wealth of information and possible options have been a tremendous help in wading through this mystery of home charging an EV

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Bryant needs the larger faceplate like the Hubbell.

Does this charger work with NO neutral wire?..I have NEMA 14-50 with 240 volts and a ground but NO neutral wire? 👀👀😍😍😊😊

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Level 2 charging uses 240 volts. It’s shouldn’t need the neutral at all.

What is hardwire?

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Attached to the wall with no outlet

The new Tesla charger included both adapters now.

@handydadtv

8 ай бұрын

Thanks

How did you miss Clipper Creek?

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t do all of them

Just like J1772 with adapter for Tesla, you can use adapter on Tesla wall charger for non-Tesla cars. Really no different. It comes down to cord quality and Amps.

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, except the J1772-to-Tesla adapter is made by Tesla. The Tesla-to-J1772 adapters aren’t.

The Lectron charger shown with a digital display is a dangerous unit. It gets extremely hot..my outlet was 180 degrees Fahrenheit. It was replaced with one of their new chargers and it does not have this heat issue. It has a much thicker cabling and seems better quality in general.

@handydadtv

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info!

Personally i have been back and forth between the Grizzel-e and the Emporia for a few weeks now.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Canadian? Get the Grizzl-e. American? Get the Emporia. They honestly both do the same thing.

@adrianlinares9185

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv Well then grizzel-e has no app and no smart functions. I was going based on your review that the emporia is the best it offers at the same price. So in your opinion the emporia is a better choice?

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t tried the Grizzl-e, but I’m very happy with the Emporia.

@adrianlinares9185

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv question, what exactly does “ smart car” feature do? It was asking me to log into myvw app.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

The Emporia app can log into my car account. Not sure why I’d need to do that since I always have the Tesla app running.

Saw you video yesterday and they already bumped the emporia price up by $50. It is $449 now

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

It went up when they got the official UL certification. I can give you a little help. Go to handydad.tv/kuok and get a 5% discount using code HandyDadTV.

@at612

2 жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv I didnt see your message and pay full price.... Thx!

grizzl e :))

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

👍🏻

Well it looks like you had people rushing over and ordering the Emporia it’s $449 now 😂

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

No, I can’t take credit for that. Just bad timing. The price went up $50 on the UL Certified units. Technically the same, just now they include the UL seal. The one I reviewed (and use) is not certified.

Looks like Grizzle now has a Wi-Fi version.

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

WiFi isn’t a necessity if your car has the ability to schedule charging.

@rkgsd

Жыл бұрын

@@handydadtv Great point, thanks.

Wow Canada is getting screwed, the Emporia on Amazon in Canada is $876.59 while on US is $399

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Wow indeed.

deist work in italy

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know

too bad the Emporia costs 549 now

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, my recommendation seems to have boosted demand. But you can get a 5% discount using code HandyDadTV at handydad.tv/kuok

Use watts to confuse people who can't multiply 🤪

@handydadtv

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

Electrify home charger 😅

@handydadtv

Жыл бұрын

You have one?