Sift Test: Ground at 800 Microns C40 Time: 1.15 Boulder: 0.5 Sweet Spot: 17.1 Fine: 1.9 85.5% K-Plus Time: 0.37 Boulder: .5 Ss: 17.6 Fine: 1.5 88% Chestnut X Time: 1.15 Boulder: 0.9 SS: 17:7 Fine: 1 88.5% Kinu: Time: 0.50 Boulder: 1.3 SS: 17.4 Fine: 0.7 87% JMAX: Time: 0.57 Boulder: 0.6 SS: 18.1 Fine: 0.6 90% JX time: 0.55 B: 1.1 Ss: 16.9 F: 0.9 84.5% Normcore: time: 0.44 Boulder: 1.8 SS: 16.5 Fine: 1.2 82.5%

@lancemoore3867

2 жыл бұрын

👀

@anthonymutheardy2383

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure if you did a comparison to the JX-Pro?

@jeftesantiago

2 жыл бұрын

Are you considering to review the arco grinder when it comes out? I love the idea of adding the other Kyle to the video tho!

@geoz17

2 жыл бұрын

Great review of the grinders. Going for an specific brand or feature could be though for the first acquisition. Several options to be evaluated !! Thanks !!

@blairphelps7215

2 жыл бұрын

Which would you choose, the 1Zpresso K Plus or Fellow Ode?

Great video, Kyle! Thanks for the shout-out 😀🙏 Happy grinding everyone!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure! All the best!

I love how over the top my mom's grinder is she has a Kinu Phoenix. I got it for her when she was using a cheap hand grinder. She doesn't want any coffee gear out on the counters so she says no to electric grinders. Loved the video!

I own a C40 and I love it for my filter coffee recipes. I also own a Knock Feldgrind that’s dialed in for espresso due to it stepless design. What sealed the deal with me was choosing small companies that make their products in-house with great detail by hand (Germany & Scotland).

@jonathanogg7223

Жыл бұрын

Hey, I have the c40 and wanting the new Knock Feld47 for espresso. So you find your knock does a good job, e.g. better than a £409 electric grinder for instance? 😂

Great video bro! You can see the effort and passion behind it, thank you as always!

This must be one of the most detailed hand grinders review out there! Great job

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alan!

I've been using my Kinu m47 Phoenix for the past 9 months and I love it. Many people complain about the thumb stop of the Simplicity or the Classic. Oddly, it is replaced with a much more comfortable piece of rubber on the cheaper Phoenix version. To me, the most important is the possibility to adjust very precisely the grind size. It's pretty much the only thing that matters to get the perfect cup of coffee. The Kinu does that perfectly thanks to its stepless adjustment system. By the way, I read somewhere that grind uniformity is not all. Some finer grounds are also needed.

@ryannicholls3372

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting! I’m still tossing up Kinu or C40. Apparently uniformity does matter for espresso. More uniformity equals a cleaner and more refined cup and less uniformity generally equals a better texture and mouth feel. I can’t say my palette is advanced enough for that, but some of it does come down to preference.

@TeeMontague

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryannicholls3372 Yo, not sure if you've made up your mind yet but if you're thinking espresso, go the Kinu all day.

Hey there Kyle, we're so happy that you love coffees brewed with your C40 Nitro Blade 🙏😊. All the best to you from all the team here in Munich!

@ComandanteGrinder

2 жыл бұрын

PS - If you're unsure about what setting a C40 Nitro Blade is on, we love using this technique to go back to zero and then dial in in a matter of seconds >>> kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4JlupZ-fKaZXdI.html 😊👍

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks friends!

@benjaminaustnesnarum3900

2 жыл бұрын

After hearing me say I wanted a grinder, as I wanted better tasting coffee, my girlfriend surprised me with the Comandante C40 for Christmas. Other than the occasional caramel, or seasonal spiced latte, she's not much of a coffee drinker. So you can imagine my surprise when I learned she had done thorough research on everything related to great tasting coffee and grinders. I think this video was one of the deciding factors for the Comandande C40 she chose. So, thank you, Kyle, and Comandante. It's truly a great grinder. ✨

@ComandanteGrinder

2 жыл бұрын

Dear @@benjaminaustnesnarum3900 , thanks so much for your kind words and to you and your girlfriend for supporting us! So happy to hear that you're enjoying your C40 :). All the best from HQ here in Munich, Joe (PS, thanks Kyle too!)

@normrubio

Жыл бұрын

It's beautiful but I can't justify the price.

Great video Kyle. Really enjoyed it. Just wanted to say I discovered you when up feeding my new born baby boy. He’s 4 weeks now and you really helped me get through some tough late nights! Thanks!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Wow. This made my day. Thanks for sharing!

The quality of you videos are awesome! I bought the 1zpresso jx after watching your review and I love it. Great to see content like this from a fellow Ontarian

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Samuel! It’s my joy!

fantastic video dude, really love to see this kind of effort put into a comparison like this. i like how detailed your approach is to grind uniformity and speed recently got the jmax and I've been in love with it. great espresso but versatile enough for pourover

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Great video and details. Awesome studio setup and lighting. Love the Comandante, no regrets!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

THANK YOU. Been waiting for this. Can't wait to watch.

Another amazing video Kyle! Congratulations on the 3rd Wave sponsorship! That's huge

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I’m a huge fan of their products so it seems like a natural fit!

Amazing video as always Kyle! And man that calculator will be amazing. Hand grinders aren't necessarily my gig but really appreciate what you do for the coffee community

I was waiting for this video :D thank you, very nice work, helps me to choose !

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to help!

It's absolutely insane the price of grinders....for what they do, DAMN!!!

Great quality production. Love these videos!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!

Wow! Thank you for this compare! It's that what i did want to know!

I highly recommend the kinu m47. Its my daily and I love it. Its super consistent and the stepless adjustment has become a must have for me.

Amazing video, mate! Thanks for the great and detailed comparison! 🤜🏼🤛🏼

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

such a timely video…I can’t thank you enough. Just picked up my c40 mk4 today … looking forward to joining the community!

@ComandanteGrinder

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your support! 🥰

@glebcreativ1

2 жыл бұрын

Do recipes you find online match what you see on your MK4? I've seen some comments that MK4 differs from MK3 in number of clicks - is that right?

Excellent review Kyle! Also the quality of shooting is amazing. I have been using C40 and I love the style, the feeling, and the quality of the cups. For espresso, I use 1zpresso JE-Plus. Fantastic 47mm burs, same jar as K-Plus. It takes 50 sec for 18 g but it is smooth, a real pleasure to use it. With 12,5 micra stepped adjustment is also very easy to dial in.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the thoughts!!

@stemazzo84

2 жыл бұрын

what makes you prefer the JE-Plus over the C40 for espresso, when it comes to taste?

I have been using the c40 for about 5 months. Love the grinding experience. I really like the pitch of the sound by grinding.

Just picked up my JX grinder, really loving it !

Great video here. Really great to hear the percentage differences between all the grinders, albeit a little arbitrary. Appreciate the effort! Also, the app sounds like a great idea.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I hope I can make it an app, at the very least a web page. Fingers crossed!

Love your creativity!!

I have been using the J-max for a few months now, and overall for an espresso hand grinder it’s the best in the market for $200. The only problems I have had with it is reassembling the the top nut. It’s an awkward grip to get real tight enough bc if you don’t you’ll start skipping gears when grinding. Also, (this is an issue with all hand grinders not just the j-max) is that I recommend using medium to dark roasts bc lighter roasts can be quite the workout on your arms to grind those hard light roasted beans. Which is an issue bc most specialty coffees come in lighter roasts these days. But if you want a high quality espresso grinder and don’t want to spend $500 plus on an electric one, the J-max will make great espresso.

Wow! This is one the unicorn comparison videos that I'm sure many many people will be waiting for !! Great work Kyle. You did a great job to keep this video digestible despite being so long and thorough! I have a K-Plus and my friend has a C40. The C40 is super nice but no way I could give up the grind speed, catch cup, and ease of grind adjustment with the K-Plus. As for taste, both are good , it was hard to tell any real difference but we only did a very brief tasting.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the thoughts and kind words!

@mprz8188

Жыл бұрын

Hey, I'm here to tell you what's the REAL difference between the Kplus and the C40: durability C40 doesn't have the fancy Hi-Tech adjustment mechanism of the K series but trust me it will last for generations. Can't say the same about the Kplus. The adjustment mechanism is delicate (mine was spilled with water and boom... It's damaged. No joke, it's broken) I used to own a Jxpro. Then stepped up to Kplus and dude... Regret I did. At least the Jxpro can be washed with water and soap and will Never let you down.

Awesome! The content people are asking for!

Man this is a handy video. I'll probably be going for the jmax myself, since it's mostly espresso I'm going for, and as much as I'd like a Comandante...the 150 dollar difference is a LOT when the results are this close.

Nice vid. Got a C40. Feeling very happy right now! Good to know that the extra hassle, which I am aware of, does have a pay off. I'm a Flair user, and espresso is such a minefield of variables that I wouldn't always know if the way it tastes is down to the grinder, though when I hit it right, it's just great. But for pour-over, I have found the cups I get to be silky, smooth, juicy and well-rounded, just like you say, from day one. Great to hear that confirmed. I'll settle for great tasting coffee and a few extra cranks of the burrs.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it!

@ComandanteGrinder

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your support! 🙌🥰

Always love the thorough detail of your videos Kyle . Bonus was the comedy sketch at the beginning.....which was great. I got a bit of a "Jerry Lewis....The Nutty Professor " vibe from it 😃

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Ah thanks so much!!

Perfect selection Kyle - great video!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Excellent video as always Kyle! Comandante will always have my heart! Can't wait to get one one day! 🙌

@ComandanteGrinder

2 жыл бұрын

🙏🥰

I have the Normcore and I absolutely love it! I love the speed it grinds at (which my dad kept going on about lol) and just how uniform the grinds are for a unit of its price range. Thoroughly enjoyable to use and very well made. Great review!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@manuelpenaruiz3694

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Normcore does really well. I own Normcore V1 and V2, comandante C40 and JX-pro from 1Zpresso Have to say these are amazing grinders. C40 & JX-pro are very very similar in taste. In fact the JX-pro brings a bit more sweetness to the front and is a tiny bit less acidic than the C40, but can't choose one over the other for pour over TBH That being said, Normcore (entry level) does exceptionally well for such a low price and build quality is just great.

@lightandthesungod

2 жыл бұрын

@@manuelpenaruiz3694 if I could afford a commandante or a JX-Pro I wouldn’t even be talking about the normcore 😭

@manuelpenaruiz3694

2 жыл бұрын

@@lightandthesungod well, worth mentioning that Normcore grinders are really good and uniform. So much that i use them for traveling and my brews (aeropress) taste amazing. Very nice and rich flavor, no complains at all and the whole package with a quality carrying case, brush and blower is just GREAT! From a certain point you start comparing grinders instead of replacing them. And here is my point. Normcore does incredibly well to be an

@lightandthesungod

2 жыл бұрын

@@manuelpenaruiz3694 exactly! for everything coarser than espresso, the normcore smashes it out of the park! if it had enough adjustment to dial in for espresso properly it would probably be one of the best manual grinders out there

I could not have asked for a better video!

Awesome video Kyle! I've been waiting for it. I've all those hand grinders except the normcore. I understand what you say about C40 and K-plus. C40 is my favorite grinder for pour over and Kinu for espresso because it produces the best flavour! For daily uses I prefer the Brazilian grinder Bravo It (Do you know?). Of course, i really like JX pro and K Plus too. And I think the J-max is excellent, but they could put the JE burrs to have a exceptional espresso like Kinu! Thanks for sharing your results!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this thoughtful comment!

So much to think about. Learned a lot Kyle. Thank you

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Great as always!

I’ve had the K-plus for a year now, some notes: 1- I was reluctant about the magnetic base at first but now it’s one of my favorite features. The trick of removing it super easily is twisting it as you do so. Otherwise it’s pretty solid. 2- Look for another grinder if you only want to use it for espresso. It takes about a minute of grinding, becomes super tough to grind with at espresso grind sizes (between 3 and 4), and the clicks are just way too big to adjust for espresso. With One click you can go from choking to a too fast flow.

Great introduction to hand grinders! I bought the Comandante C40 MK4!!!

Excelente vídeo Kyle!! Súper detallado, muchas gracias. Saludos desde Argentina!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Your comparison videos are really the best I enjoyed them all

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Ah thanks so much!!

Love my 1ZPresso KPlus ! Cant wait to see your calculator!

Thank you Kyle! You produce really great content!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I’ve been waiting for this video, with my finger poised over the ‘Add to basket’ button on various pages, and I’m delighted to say that you have clarified a number of options for me, so thanks. Only one I’m sorry wasn’t included was the 1Zpresso JE-Plus, which looks like a potentially slightly better option for someone who wants to do both pour overs but also wants to be able to dial in espresso when away from home. I actually think I prefer the K-Plus - just concerned about the fine adjustment for espresso. Thanks for a really thorough and enjoyable video as always.

@danymeeuwissen5973

2 жыл бұрын

The JE-plus is unfortunately discontinued, grab one while you can! ;-)

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

So glad to help!

@ACIDDRIP35k

2 жыл бұрын

K Plus JE Plus M47 Pheonix Mainly for espresso and occasionally pour over. What should i get ? Thxs

Just got my C40 MK4 and only today had my first cup produced from it. Very happy what you're saying reinforced what I experienced. It makes for a great cup.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it!

Great video Kyle! Enjoying your content more and more. The most important, at the end of the day, is the flavour produced, and I'm glad you take that into account. Great work, great comparison. Now (sorry) do the same for electric grinders :D Looking forward to the new Eureka single doser compared to Niche. Also, hey, what about a EK43 test? Is it the ultimate in taste? Does it work in the home? If not, can it be modded to work at home? Does it do both filter and pour over better than every other grinder? Is the uniqe burrset the very best? Anyways, looking forward to the next one! Great work bud!

I've already made my purchase, but it's always nice to see a video that helps to tamp down the buyer's remorse! I can't spend money without second guessing myself, so thank you Kyle! I don't do espresso, so I was looking for a grinder that went from French press to moka pot in range. Narrowed it to the regular JX (not Pro) and the K-Plus, and ultimately decided on the latter just to indulge myself with a bit of luxury. So far, I've mostly been surprised (don't know why since it's kind of the point) how different the cups have been from my Encore (which was my first non-blade grinder) since that is what I was used to. But I'm very appreciative of the experience as the making of the coffee is more my meditative break from work than is the drinking of it.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment! Keep brewing and grinding my friend!

Awesome review sir! Very informative

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Just fired up my machine and made a shot with my old JX Pro, I now mainly use a Eureka Mignon mk2 but I love my hand grinder, I will endevour not to neglect it in future.

Very very interesting! 3x 1zpresso! I'm mostly interested in the 1zpresso JX, J-Max & K-Plus (coming from the little sibling, Q2). J-Max seems to be king of the three. Sadly all these 3 are so heavy/bulky that I kind of wanna stick with my Q2 (which I bought based on one of your previous comparisons). Overall a very comprehensive, interesting comparison! Thank you!

great job on the review

Great video Kyle! I've really enjoyed my K Plus for the past 10 months or so, and for all the reasons you mentioned. You're so right about the Commandante's community advantage too. One of the things I've noticed is when on forums or videos hearing other C40 owners share their clicks is a really nice benefit when starting out trying to better understand grind settings. Have you thought about sharing more on the setting equivalents you've found between the various grinders? I'd certainly be interested to know your ranges on the KPlus for various methods :)

@manuelpenaruiz3694

2 жыл бұрын

X2

@W1nstanly

2 жыл бұрын

Bump

@jakerufenacht6403

6 ай бұрын

Yes a relative comparison to grind size settings between the 2 would be a godsend

Great video, thanks for breaking this all down with relevant pros and cons of each. Out of curiosity, what color combo is the C40 in your video? It's a beautiful grinder!

I’ve beeeeeeeeeeen waiting for this!

Good job Kyle! I own 4 of the grinders in this video and agree with most findings. The only thing I struggle with is the sweetness that people seem to love so much in the comandante. Mine (second hand, red clix) has a slightly muffled/muted taste compared to the K-plus, which is definitely cleaner/complex but I don't feel like it loses sweetness because of this. Then again, everyone's tastebuds are different, as is the coffee you use, water chemistry, etc. It all influences taste and balance. My J-max is almost as fast as the K-plus though, which is weird that yours was slower. I'm ususally at around 35s for a 20g espresso dose for the Flair 58 on both. I haven't timed it on coarser settings though.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting! I didn’t time me espresso times for these findings so maybe the Jmax is faster on its finer settings comparatively.

@s-plus

2 жыл бұрын

@@KyleRowsell I have JX Pro, and I regularly do 34-35 sec for 20g of very fine espresso grind, and a second or two less for a regular espresso grind, and of course quite a bit faster for coarser grinds. So I'm also not sure about these grind results... The regular JX shouldn't be slower than the JX Pro for coarser grinds.

Great video! I had Wilfa Svart which just broken and I was going to get Comandante, but I think I’ll go for K-plus after reading some reviews and especially after your recommendation ;) Hopefully it will be a good choice!

Looking forward to check out the grinders converter!!!!

I am loving how you did the sift test maths ♡

I own the kinu m47 classic, fellow ode, and comandante with red clix. When it comes to espresso I am not a fan of the comandante. I cant seem to get it dialed in with red clix. The kinu is great for espresso but id defiantly agree that it lacks in the terms of filter in comparison to the comandante. Thanks for the video

I'd just like to leave a comment for others like me that are considering the normcore v2. I watched this video 6 months ago and decided to buy it since I was looking for something I could take with me. I'll just leave my experience with using it daily, hoping it helps someone. After 6 months I can tell you its totally worth the price. It makes a great cup of filter coffee but its a little finicky for espresso, at least trying to dial in medium-light rostas (I tend to find darker roast more forgiving). I'd take a little more resolution, as you get maybe 4 clicks of adjustment for espresso. Even so, it is completely capable of doing espresso. I find that its easier to just adjust the dose slightly when I find myself between steps. It isn't the most ergonomic thing ever and I had the catch cup unscrew on me a few times while grinding since I tend to grip it around the top, but its not a big deal. I'm just writing this since it would have liked to know when I bought it.

Great review Kyle, I really enjoy watching your videos. What are your thoughts on the Aergrind by Knock? I am currently using it and I have some great results on filter coffee. Best wishes for 2022 and keep up the good work

Well done Kyle. Great job on the video. I think I go with Kplus as well.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Thanks Kyle for this vid. Great descriptions and overall review. I love my Kplus too and I’m glad I got it over the C40 and M47. Two cons I have about the Kplus are the magnetic cup and the blind shaker. For denser beans it’s harder to grind, but due to the magnetic cup, I can’t rest the grinder on my chest to get better stability since it’ll snap off. I also find that the blind shaker traps too much coffee ground that it takes forever to unscrew everything and brush every crevice for coffee grounds. BUT a trick I find that helps with my workflow is that with the magnetic cup along with the non-blind shaker attachment, you can semi-attach the mag cup on the rim of a 58mm portafilter, and it acts as a dosing cup which you can just flip over, similar to niche’s cup.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for these thoughts! Enjoy grinding my friend!

@tommihommi1

2 жыл бұрын

That's why the 1zpresso K-Pro is actually better than the K-Plus

Awesome video and explanation.

Great video Kyle, tons of helpful information. Thanks for going through all that work to provide a well thought out review and comparison.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much josh!

All these are going to be pretty good. That being said, I’ve had the m47 Phoenix for years. It’s been fantastic, very easy to grind due to the long handle and great adjustment for different roasts. No significant issues or problems, still makes fantastic coffee, will get you some of the best cups you can get if the settings and technique are dialed in. Plastic bin holds more grounds. Pour over burr is slower but does indeed make better course grinds. Needs a lid and some rubber grip though - I cut a lid from some thin plastic vinyl to wrap around the center like a donut with a slit through one side and a tab, and some rubber bands from broccoli for grip. Get the one based on the features that seems best to you and leave it at that!

Great video, thanks!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

amazing video! would love to see the kingrinder k6 in that mix

Great video Kyle! I have a C40 and can't wait for your future video with the red clix...it's hard to get it in argentina and want to know whether it worths the money.

Would love to see a review of the pour over burrs for m47. Thanks for the great content, keep it up!

@monodera78

2 жыл бұрын

Hi, I can share my experience with kinu pour over burrs. It takes twice time than regular burrs to grind but the result is much better for V60. I would say almost identical to C40 to my palate in that case.

Hi! Long time viewer but first time commenter. One of my favorite thing about the C40 is how often it is used as a reference to grind size. Grind size was one of the biggest frustrations for me getting into coffee because of how poorly defined things like "medium" and "medium fine" are. I've found the C40 is widespread enough that recipes will often mention how many clicks on the C40 taking the guesswork out of grind size that comes with many of these other grinders.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Josiah! Thanks for commenting! Complete agree - it’s one of the greatest strengths of the c40

@PIANOPICTURES

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. I choose it because it is kind of the de facto standard and the reference for the tons of videos and recipes all over around.

Great video!

I have j-max. Pretty great grinder for espresso and easy to dial in.

Really an amazing video, Kyle. Keep it up dear.

They are expensive for my wallet but I'll go with the Normcore. Thanks for the video and recommendation!

My K-Plus arrives tomorrow, it will be my very first grinder and will be a interim solution until the WW Key arrives. Of course I will use it afterwards as a portable solution. I also read that the J-Max produces too much fines, which diminishes the advantage of being a dedicated espresso grinder. I fell in love with the tumbler and I also think that the silver color is a more durable option, compared to the black anodized aluminum. Thank you for this great review, it really confirmed my choice.

@eloysuopunki7926

6 ай бұрын

The silver color as well shines better when adjusting the grind size vs the black version. Easier to see.

Nice video! I love the focus on detail, been really enjoying a bunch of your videos. You mentioned "juicy" a few times in this video. What do you mean by a juicy coffee?

@taejaskudva2543

2 жыл бұрын

Usually I think juicy equates to acidic in a fruity note, not a harsh, astringent note which is technically also acidic. But I DO NOT have a refined palate or piles of experience - that's mostly going off how I interpret baristas and roasters talking to me when I'm in a shop buying a new bag of beans.... My reviews tend you settle into "I like it!" vs. "Something's not quite to my taste."

Incredible review!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Awesome reviews! Thank yhou so much for doing this. I'm looking to upgrade from my Hario grinder soon. The lack of click control and being able to see it makes it hard to dial in a certain grind size. Have you ever used or tried the Flair Royal Grinder?

Thanks for this thoroughly informative video. I look forward to the click converter, whenever you get it done. Also, someone has sunburned cheeks. Ouch!

Thanks for this. I chose the JXPro personally and found it to be great for espresso. Looks like it is hard to go too far wrong with any of these.

@AnonYmous-wf1oz

2 жыл бұрын

Once your budget reaches the JX pro level, everything after has diminishing returns.

@mprz8188

Жыл бұрын

@@AnonYmous-wf1oz stepped up to K series and now I regret. K series are quite fragile. The adjustment mechanism is highly prone to damage. Mine just suffered some water spillage and it's over. No way to repair it. Decided not purchasing the adjustment wheel again and look for better and more reliable options. My JXpro was in general much more robust and dependable. If your goal is best uniformity of grinds, k series can't be beaten. But if your goal is a grinder that's durable and versatile, JXpro does much better.

Fantastic video. My youngest sister is going to college next year and inquired about a hand grinder for a Dorm Room pourover setup. I recommended the Normcore V2 and am so happy to see you’ve had such great things to say about it.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

thanks for watching Lance!

Thank you for your efforts on the grind setting conversion calculator! I tried doing a straight microns conversion from a C40 setting to a JX Pro setting, but it definitely isn't that straight-forward!

@manuelpenaruiz3694

2 жыл бұрын

C40 increase/decrease grind size at rate of 30 microns per click. This is particle size in this case. On the other hand, 1Zpresso doesn't specify how much of a change in particle size is obtained per click. Instead, they just mention how much gap (in between the burrs) you get per click. For the absolutely amazing JX-pro this gap happens to be 12.5 microns per click. From my tests, on the JX-pro particle size increments per click relate to gap by a ratio of 1:4 (approximately) This of course is a Non-linear relationship As a reference I found that 4.6.0 on the JX-pro is equivalent to 28 clicks on the C40. This is the setting I use to brew Kasuya's 4:6 on the V60 For the aeropress original recipe I found that half this particle size is perfect. That's 14 clicks on the C40 or 2.3.0 on the JX-pro For the best results try to take the 1Zpresso grind size chart as reference and feel free to experiment as much as you can till you find your sweet spot Hope this helps!

@thelochnessmonster9339

2 жыл бұрын

​@@manuelpenaruiz3694 Interesting! I don't think I've ever gone as coarse as 4.6.0 on my (gray dot) JX-Pro! Maybe I should, since if, as you said, it's roughly a 28 on a Comandante, I see 28-ish on the C40 recommended in quite a few recipes. My pourover settings on the JX-Pro range from 2.1.0 to 3.5.0. Is there any coffee in particular that you think really shines with a coarser setting?

@manuelpenaruiz3694

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelochnessmonster9339 Sure! Medium darkish roasts shine beautifully with Kasuya's 4:6 method (coarse grind) Please be aware that the grind chart provided by 1Z is just a reference within certain standard range but the grinder's range is much wider than that. On the JX-pro the chart upper limit is 5 full rotations but I've tried even beyond 6 for french press extra-long steeping and works beautiful 4.6.0 on the JX-pro isn't that coarse actually. It's just coarse but nothing huge. Coarser grinds and multiple pours yield a much sweeter and fully flavored coffee. When pouring multiple times over coarse grinds extraction is very high but has been proven that even boiling water cannot penetrate deeper than a few microns into the coffee grounds. As you grind finer this penetration doesn't change but mor fibers are dissolved and thus more bitter compounds stay in the water. At the same time, coarser grounds absorb much less water, so that draw down times keep more uniform from one pour to the next one (this is not linear but you get the idea)

Excelente comparativo! 👏👏👏

Nitpicking is my favourite. Some people don’t like it. But when you get down and dirty into the details about stuff, it reveals all the things that one person might prefer that another person might not. Thanks for doing all the hard work so we didn’t have to.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Thanks for watching!!

Thanks so much. I have been browsing through articles and videos the entire weekend and I got more confused than before. But, after seeing you explain and compare it so beautifully and clearly, I finally found the grinder that will help me the most, the Kplus. I usually brew pour overs and sometimes the odd aero press. In future I am planning to get a flair 58 (of course after seeing your video, I found that it gives a very good cup of espresso in that price range, without any additional hassles). Thanks once again. The heart still wants the commandante but my head knows kplus will be the one for me.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Enjoy!

Missing out Orphan Espresso Lido OG. There is a wonderful grinder back to field with step and step less grind setting.

Hello Kyle! Great job. Have you ever thought about reviewing the Lido OG grinder? It was almost no reviewed in english.

Got the Chestnut X with leather. Absolutely ❤️ it!

Welcome back Kyle!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

it was only 3 weeks... but thank you!

How do you feel about the Kingrinder K grinder series? There's the K2, K4 and K6 but would like to know your thoughts on it. Looks great as it's competing directly with 1Zpresso for price, fit and finish. Great video! Thanks for narrowing down some more good hand grinders.

I have the J Max and use it mostly for Pour Overs... I'm in love! It is great to grind and it doesn't feel that you are taking too much time, rather (as he mentioned), it feels like you are getting something done (30g every morning). The taste is incredible (maybe because of the panamenian coffees I get to enjoy) and the notes feel rich and it's like the notes start to explode (something I rarely experience in a cafe/coffee shop). Hahaha maybe it's the whole experience of making and sharing coffee but I don't regret getting my J Max for Pour Overs! 😄

@jesadag1150

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I will get mine in 2 weeks for my birthday for pour over, moka and espresso. I think I've made the right choice.

@Carlos_Vasquez

2 жыл бұрын

@@jesadag1150 Yes! I hope you can enjoy it as much as I do. I also bought it as a birthday present! 😄

@BonEE008

2 жыл бұрын

Hello! I was curious how well the Jmax is for Pour overs , was concern coz of the 8.8 microns maybe it was too much of leap for it, I mainly do espresso and pour overs . Haven’t read/seen a lot about Jmax used for pour overs, only for espresso

@Carlos_Vasquez

2 жыл бұрын

@@BonEE008 Hi! There is a channel that explains in depth the J Max (is the best review I've seen so far) TMB - The Majestic Bean Channel. I just brew my pour over and it's really tasty. What Kyle mentioned in his review (if I got it right) is that to change from espresso to pour over is quite difficult because there are a lot of clicks, was corrected in this video when he mentioned that there is a pyramid below the ring that will allows you to know how many rotations you have. The last thing is that once you receive it I will recommend you to adjust the ring to 0. That way you will be precise in your measurements. It is easy to take apart for cleaning and put it all back together.

@BonEE008

2 жыл бұрын

@@Carlos_Vasquez thank you I did actually saw his video before.

Great review! Thx! Did you finish that Calculater ? It would be great to have this comparison chart.

I just bought a Nomcore V2 and i am really impressed with quality of shots and how fast does it gets through 17gr for espresso. In comparison with eureka mignon specialita, Nomcore produce a little bit more acidity and thinner shots, but still really good.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

Great video! What do you think about the Flair Royal?

Can't wait to hopefully get that grinder calculator!

Yaassss I agree! I just have my mk4 c40! Although it is relatively slow compare to others but it creates decent shot!