7:50 WhatsApp - Stay away 9:30 Telegram 10:17 Signal 11:40 Threema 13:00 XMPP 14:00 Briar 15:44 Session

@Antonjlavey

11 ай бұрын

Telegram has feds controlling it now

@antoniobragah8305

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the layout, you rock!

@DanteMishima

10 ай бұрын

WhatsApp died when Facebook bought it

@sskoutofdoors9503

9 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@dnomyaryevi869

9 ай бұрын

I just installed and setup Session. I sent an invitation to my family and friends.

the hardest point in privacy is to convince my friends to ditch whatsshit and similar apps.

@krollpeter

11 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@ikust007

11 ай бұрын

AGREE…😢

@pwolkowicki

11 ай бұрын

So true.

@btimec5290

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, i find no one cares, or cares to know what is going on

@babsjr1

11 ай бұрын

@@btimec5290 Exactly.

Protonmail ought to produce a messaging app that includes end to end encryption like their email.

@godrilla5549

11 ай бұрын

*fedmail

@Vroomfondle1066

11 ай бұрын

your brain has been hacked by the deep state - you are a sleeper cyborg@@godrilla5549

@Crazy--Clown

8 ай бұрын

Lol Proton will Snitch on you, they have a few times in the past.

@DayzGone

8 ай бұрын

​@@Crazy--Clownlink?

@DashhunterLP

6 ай бұрын

@@Crazy--Clown once, and only because they were ordered by court to do so. even then, proton could only supply information gathered AFTER the order, as nothing was logged beforehand. stop spreading misinformation.

I view most of these "privacy" things as honeypots. It is way more private to manually encrypt yourself, send via standard channels (mail/chats/etc), and have the receiver manually decrypt.

@tobykelsey4459

11 ай бұрын

But then you need an out-of-band co-ordination and encryption setup. OK for a few techy friends or one-off data transfers; not so good for conversations with acquaintances, colleagues and new contacts. The Lokinet/Tor layer also means outsiders don't know how often and with whom you are communicating as well.

@ZappyOh

11 ай бұрын

@@tobykelsey4459 ... that is true, we can't have our cake and eat it to.

@bobbyjohnson116

9 ай бұрын

Meshtastic look into it

@Gustavo_fr1ng

6 ай бұрын

Pgp go brr

@MorningNapalm

5 ай бұрын

I have 1 (one) friend who *might* go along with that. Impractical.

Another excellent explanation and recommendations. Thank you. Appreciated.

Great video Rob! Quite informative as usual.

Good stuff ROB, as always good stuff 👍

great information (as always Brax) ✌🏼

Thank You so much Mr Braxmann, your videos are always so edifying and interesting. A candle in the dark.

Bought a smart TV, wanted it dum TV. Don't seem to make them much anymore. Would Love it if Rob could do a show on this🙏

@truthdoesnotexist

11 ай бұрын

Same problem, I want a 4K TV with all the latest display technology but I don't want it to be smart, even if it wasn't a privacy nightmare the software is very poorly made and is extremely annoying and won't beat the PC I have connected to it anyway

@tweedeldee8122

11 ай бұрын

@@truthdoesnotexistYea I put a pc behind all my tv's and basically use ithem as a monitor. Don't do any subscription/streaming services. No Amazon or google "smart" (as in spy) infrastructure.

@be-a-sailnot-a-anchor2053

11 ай бұрын

Maybe there's a way to open the TV up and desolder the components that make it "smart" and leaving you with a dumb TV maybe ? Idk

@ao1pointblank

11 ай бұрын

you can deny it internet access on your home's router portal, and then just use it as an HDMI monitor from a PC or laptop, or a tv box if you really want actual tv

@JohnSmith-oh9ux

11 ай бұрын

Just don't connect it to internet... simple problem, simple solution...

Dammit Rob, great topic and video! Thanks!

Excellent info - just what I am currently concerned about. Thank you!

There are so many options these days it's hard to keep them all straight So good topic.

hope your channel will have 1 million subs

Thank for info. Great video. 👌

Can you do an update on messaging apps? I enjoyed this video. Very informative and helpful in choosing the right app.

Wire seems to be a pretty good private app that doesn’t ask for any personal information. You can use a temporary email to confirm your username and that’s it. Lots of good features like separate locking if the app with pw or fingerprint the moment you switch apps. Message expiration timer Audio voice message Supposedly encrypted Voice calling through the app Including videoconferencing And many more fun features like voice alterations so you sound like an anonymous whistleblower lol etc.

Brilliant, great information, thanks very much.

Bloody great channel . Surprised it hasn't been shut down .

Very informative!

Hello Rob! Great videos! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. How about Skype (and private chat) and Line? Thank you again!

@Crazy--Clown

8 ай бұрын

Lol Skype is so 90s....... Bin it you stooge

Braxman for President

Telegram also offers the option of not giving your phone number. In addition, if you are in a group, you can select the option not to reveal your phone number and direct calls prevented.

@walkingwithshadows

11 ай бұрын

I like that feature, but they ruined their system for me by blocking signing in by SMS on the desktop, meaning I have almost no contacts left.

@pavlospilakoutas

11 ай бұрын

Groups are monitored by moderators

@meggi8048

10 ай бұрын

only public groups or is it private groups too?@@pavlospilakoutas

@ChaceBonanno

10 ай бұрын

And private conversations that are actually e2ee

@Perra1901

10 ай бұрын

To login on desktop I just scan a qr code within telegram and its logged in on the desktop.

Love this video. Can you also do one for secure video conferencing? Something that allows at least a meta-data free video sharing? We are looking for a secure and private method to at a minimum share a video and audio stream from a camera and screen, but would love to have full video conference. I understand that both Session and Signal do not offer this at the time.

@suprememasteroftheuniverse

10 ай бұрын

Video call and conference are anti privacy by definition.

@RodNaugler

10 ай бұрын

@@suprememasteroftheuniverse That depends on your definitions. For instance, as soon as more than one person knows a secret, it isn't a secret anymore. Atleast by some definitions. So, the question is based on this idea: What is the best app that not only prevents anyone not involved in the meeting knowing the contents of the meeting, but also prevents them from knowing the meeting is going on. This does not mean that the invites are secure because that relies on the individuals, but just while the meeting is going on, the individual packets are not only encrypted but obfuscated.

signal is also soon starting to roll out user names so phone numbers will no longer bee needed to contact someone and you can change it as much as you want

I just assume all communication is insecure.

@simeon2851

11 ай бұрын

Good assumption.

@johnmood5653

11 ай бұрын

That should be assumed, you are correct in doing so.

@be-a-sailnot-a-anchor2053

11 ай бұрын

Word ...I agree . I'll even add to this and say I believe any kind of electrical device or gadget that is in your surrounding vicinity pose security/ privacy concerns lol

@SomeGuy-xf9bc

11 ай бұрын

@@be-a-sailnot-a-anchor2053 For all we know the OSs themselves are logging everything and reporting back.

@terrydaktyllus1320

11 ай бұрын

Do you mean "not secure" or "not private"? There is a difference and you need to understand what that difference is.

Rob, please condense this ranking into shorts so it can go viral! Does Session come pre loaded on your de googled phones?

@julius_prn

11 ай бұрын

No it doesn't

@NorthernChimp

11 ай бұрын

It's easy to find on F-Droid.

very important video, thank you

Session is full of bugs and can't really be relied on for normal communication. Session's other problem is that it runs on CPU time devices and thus feeds its network with tokens. In general, I do not recommend using blockchain based messengers. At first I was delighted, but then experience showed otherwise.

@sebastiannilsson82

11 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s to buggy ..do u have suggestion for another app instead

@alexandermoiseyev8496

10 ай бұрын

​@@sebastiannilsson82wire

@johnbauman4005

9 ай бұрын

Yes. A quick read of feedback on the app in the google playstore reveals numerous bug complaints and some unresolved issues for several months. Seems not ready for prime time.

@haliaeetus8221

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for that info. I was also disappointed he believes Signal is safely encrypted when Tucker Carlson revealed the encryption is actually breached. If an agency wants to read Signal messages it can.

So Wise , Thank You

The audio is not synced with the video.

@earlysda

11 ай бұрын

I set the speed to 2x and it was pretty good.

What about sessions groups? They recommend using google servers for fast messaging checking in the backround. Is that safe ?

I'm impressed that Zuckerberg has advanced to the point where his name has become a verb.

What do you use for public facing comunication over sms, mms

I like session to but they don't have PFS ( Perfect Forward Secercy ) , in my opinion that is worrying

@robbraxmantech Rob your audio video has a syncing problem?

Telegram does use phone number as identifier, but you can hide it from other users so they will not know your number if you do not want them to.

@suprememasteroftheuniverse

10 ай бұрын

But telegram knows so the law enforcement agencies know too.

@MorningNapalm

5 ай бұрын

I believe that Signal is adding usernames too.

@MorningNapalm

5 ай бұрын

They almost certainly already know your phone number, since you have to register to get one. It is the content and contacts which is most critical. A phone number reveals almost nothing. @@suprememasteroftheuniverse

Great video, thank you. However, the audio is out of sync a bit

@robbraxmantech

11 ай бұрын

Sorry. My new computer is not syncing the audios accurately. It appears correct during editing.

What about zangi messenger and atox app. Thanks

Braxman you are based, sir.

Thank you, sir.

What about matrix ? The cost (session) to run oxens servers is a real concern regarding the honeypot trap. Who run those expensive servers ?

It will not matter AT ALL which one you use. As soon as you type on your keyboard, it's being monitored on the phone. They've just set up a keystroke logger. The BEST communication security is personal, physical communication, never over any other medium.

@earlysda

11 ай бұрын

I have no phone, so your comment is obviously mistaken.

@AM-ss9he

11 ай бұрын

@@earlysda how did you get that message to me then? Probably a computer. (A modern phone is a computer). So I'm not mistaken and my point still stands.

@earlysda

11 ай бұрын

@@AM-ss9heAM, here is what you wrote: "As soon as you type on your keyboard, it's being monitored on the phone." . I don't have a phone, so it obviously is not being monitored on the phone.

@AM-ss9he

11 ай бұрын

@@earlysda yes, but a phone is a computer, so you're splitting hairs. Good luck ensuring your communication security when you waste time splitting hairs like that. 👍

@phr3ui559

11 ай бұрын

can you elaborate

very good channel

Rob your bell icon is disabled….not working for me I’m not receiving new updates and videos. Why is it disabled ??

Is there a comparison chart you could provide? Thank you!

what about Matrix. I remeber you said once that it is not so good for privacy. What makes it a bad choice (asuming to use it without any addressbook servers) ?

@mLyonJE

11 ай бұрын

I had a similar thought, especially when I saw the mention of XMPP.

@jeromehugues

10 ай бұрын

Certainly because of the centralization he does not like. For sure XMPP is also centralized.

Master, thanks

Is it not a good idea to use a google voice number on Signal or should one just use the number they have with their carrier?

what about RCS? Seems to be picking up a lot of new users.

A privacy enthusiast participating in the games too…

Can you compare session to element. Because element works on every platform, and has group chat. With no info on sign up

Losing Signal as a "one & done" solution this past year really sucked...

@HH-CA

11 ай бұрын

Signal still the most secure app

@RagingBad

10 ай бұрын

​@@HH-CAdid you watched the video?

Rob, what about Apple's iMessage? What position would it take on your 7 or 8 Apps list?

Telegram doesnt need to share your phone number btw, you can give just your username

Which of those apps support encrypted voice calls? I believe Threema and Wire do, but I'm not sure about Telegram, Signal and WhatsApp.

@TheLifeOfaBichon

11 ай бұрын

Signal does. but a lot of voice audio gets packet loss due to latency in decrypting it on your phone. So convo's cut out.

@prunabluepepper

11 ай бұрын

@@TheLifeOfaBichon oh, not good. I think wire and threemav also do that. But I wasn't sure about Telegramm.

@phr3ui559

11 ай бұрын

@@prunabluepepper ok

@ComputerzenAu

11 ай бұрын

​@@TheLifeOfaBichonnever had this problem unless not on 4g network or above. Generally pretty solid

@HH-CA

11 ай бұрын

Signal is the most secure

Great info Rob, I use mainly an app called Viber, what’s your view with this one?

@robbraxmantech

11 ай бұрын

Viber is a VOIP app. It's not an encrypted messaging app so it is not in this category

@griffydz1789

11 ай бұрын

@@robbraxmantech Good or Bad?

@RagingBad

10 ай бұрын

​@@griffydz1789Bad 🙄

I like to use Wire also.

Question: currently the new hotness seems to be meshtastic. Great for messaging.. encrypted.. using an IoT mesh network. What would Rob's view be on that? 6:26

I am a Signal user and am fond of the fact they removed the Signal to SMS function. Much better for privacy concerns.

@michaelcopple1736

10 ай бұрын

@@Deb_InMiami2 I push people to get on Signal or Session. Session is better, though. Robert shows that in the video as a decentralized program. It does not use your phone number so there is no connection to you. Unfortunately SMS is going to be used by many major corporate outlets and other businesses, also those who require a system which logs all texts for accountability.

@kylenorris9585

7 ай бұрын

Whats a good puplic facing alternative for sms between your bank or other typs of things that require a phone message like your doctor etc

Hey, where can i find your degoogled phone? it's not on your homepage, nowhere to find it?

@robbraxmantech

11 ай бұрын

brax.me is not a store. It is a social media app. Inside it, there's a store.

Would love to see you do a comparision between Session and SimpleX Chat.

@pingmetal

10 ай бұрын

Me, too! Those are the only ones that seemed secure to me when I looked them up, but I unfortunately haven't seen or heard much info from people about SimpleX.

@xxxMrBadExamplexxx

8 ай бұрын

me too!

I missed out information about business models and a guess how long the messengers might exist amid governments having an interest in breaking down things they can't control.

threema is associated with payment information so this is the identifier

You've found the resistance to the Signal app to be low? First time I've heard that.

@HH-CA

11 ай бұрын

weird , as Signal is the most secure app

Best used on OS !🕊️

I really want to know your list but I can not do half an hour. Was signal mentioned?

@canabitter

11 ай бұрын

Yes. But top recommendation was Sessions

@muzungu9625

11 ай бұрын

@@canabitter Sessions app is developed by Loki Foundation, an Australia-based not-for-profit private technology organisation. Formally launched in February 2020, Sessions is an open-source, public-key-based secure messaging application. LOL...Australia is like NY state

Whats app and signal use the same encryption system. And acording the new uk law that starts in 28 days daft online security policy. Signal are giving ALL communications to brittish gov. Will later go full coverage for EU.

@azaziner5851

6 ай бұрын

what can they give except phone number, last log in and registration dates?

Swiss Military uses theeema but they have some kind of a partnership

How to you combat MITM, Man In The Middle ?

Thanks

Would using the crappiest app be better then regular SMS texting though?

What about the matrix protocol?

what would stop a 3 letter agency from posing as an incentivized individual wanting to earn oxen cryptocurrency ---and thereby establishing their own inside track to one piece of the server network ---and then repeating that until they have enough servers on the inside to build their own meta-data and decryption zone

Signal doesn't have to use a phone number as an identifier. You can use an ID that you create.

Bravo

Rob... I looked on your website for De-googled phone but there are none apparent. Do I have to sign up just to look at the phones you offer...?

@robbraxmantech

11 ай бұрын

It is not a store. It is a social media site. Store is inside

@nedmilburn

11 ай бұрын

@@robbraxmantech Thanks... So to clarify... I must create a login to access your store?

@NorthernChimp

11 ай бұрын

@@nedmilburn You can sign up with just a random username and password

What do you think of Guardio ?

@RobBraxmanTech what is your opinion of Skred Messenger, thanks. Liked and subscribed.

What about matrix? Is that a good messaging app?

How about GNU Jami and Element? Element Messenger was designed for public group conversation. Jami is close to Briar.

@robbraxmantech

11 ай бұрын

As the video says, use the categories I stated and rank them for yourself. It's more important to understand the thought process.

@PinakiGupta82Appu

11 ай бұрын

@@robbraxmantech Indeed! It's important to sort out features and consider the threat level before picking an app depending on the use case scenario.

@jeromehugues

10 ай бұрын

Hello,@@robbraxmantech We would like a deep comparison of matrix vs session. Because the running cost of the oxen routers node is a real concern about the ownerchip of those servers.

@haliaeetus8221

8 ай бұрын

I'll check those

Also what about speek network app

What about Zalo, Viber, uTox and Matrix. Someone already compared features?

How did you convinced your family to use signal? I doesn't work for me.

@robbraxmantech

11 ай бұрын

Last year, Signal could be the SMS app so all you had to do was change SMS app and there was no different interface. Sadly, in a very dumb move, Signal took that away. So the resistance today would be more than it was at the time. However, my family continues to use signal and actually uses it more with others, not just with family.

Why no mention of Jami? Fits right in here and should be in the top selection.

@salmanx37

11 ай бұрын

Link

@robbraxmantech

11 ай бұрын

I already said in the video that I cannot review everything. I gave you categories. Jami would not come on top based on the categories. But it will be fine. I gave you the tools to self analyze and judge for yourself

@D4rk5py

11 ай бұрын

@@robbraxmantech Where does Jami fail? Because it doesn't use a protocol like Tor?

👍👍

session is truly best

What about Element?

What do you think of "Freedom Chat"?

Wire?

whats the difference between publishing sessions id on social media and having a phone number for that purpose.

@robbraxmantech

10 ай бұрын

A Session ID cannot be associated with an actual person since you cannot see traffic sending or receiving with the session ID. When you publish your session ID. No one knows if anyone is using it

@meggi8048

10 ай бұрын

thanks for clarification@@robbraxmantech

I'm on board, and i can convince my company or clients, BUT how do i convince friends and family 😢?

@gm8329

11 ай бұрын

If you're able to convince the company, tell your family that it is their IT department head's recommendation on the inside that everyone and their families should switch to [app of choice]. Family are notorious for not listening to each other properly as you'll always be seen first as sibling, parent, child, before you are seen as an expert in any field, regardless of if you are even certified in some cases. If you want family to do something, convince them that a professional and expert that you know of that would earn prestige in their eyes and seen as a professional whose opinion would catch their attention and respect has said it and they'll take it onboard much more readily. Just suffice it to say that I've explored and deduced this for myself over the years. Its easier to use what works rather than the uphill battle of convincing them to see you as anything other than just a family member, because they won't see it that way in even if you tell them directly all of the above. Keep the tool to yourself and use it with everything with them, particularly were you to have one of those family members that doesn't address outstanding health issues. It'll be an invaluable tool for different regards like tech and health as I mentioned, so never illuminate them to the ruse either, else you'll not have it for future. Good luck.

Hmmmmm doesn't session have the backdoor open for asuie government 🤔

Where is SimpleX Chat?

What about iMessage from Apple???

walkie talkie is secure way. sure you can be listened to but who you are no one's gonna know.

how about Wire?

The audio is not in sync

Gov agencies can do screen scans and keylogers

@haliaeetus8221

8 ай бұрын

Yeah. Needs to be a clean open source OS with no unknown apps, no outside automatic updates and no internet or sim card attached to one's name. I'm thinking someone should sell very cheap (like burner phone) devices with this basic containment purpose in focus.

ah right, so a spy leaves bluetooth open so he can secretly chat......lol