one man single handedly pushing the stats LMAO

@Glaciatio

5 ай бұрын

What civ did he carry?

@NotASeriousMoose

5 ай бұрын

Celts

@caret_shell

5 ай бұрын

Is there any better compliment than being called out like that? What an achievement!

@Darkcamera45

5 ай бұрын

@@Glaciatio celts

@ashley-paul

5 ай бұрын

Hoang is inevitable.

That hoang stat is so funny. I wonder if the devs remove these outliers from pro players when balancing too

@khankhomrad8855

5 ай бұрын

Don't think so. Last year (or was 2022?) Celts got a targeted nerf in a time when they weren't considered as good as they are now, and back then people speculated that the nerf was because of how dominant Hoang was with that civ.

@fluffydestroyer8336

5 ай бұрын

I find it unlikely that devs would ignore what the best players can do with something, since those are the players who are pushing said thing to its limits. sure, hoang might be the only guy playing celts like this now, but he's the trailblazer and others can learn from him and start putting out winrates like that too.

@BayWa4eva

5 ай бұрын

with the elo that hoang has a 60% winrate isn't all that crazy. remember that the elo system always gives players above average a winrate above 50% and higher elo means higher winrate. 2300 is quite a lot above average.

@andrebaur639

5 ай бұрын

Hoang became a trademark... Why should they interrupt this funny phenomenon in the community.

@harooooo1

5 ай бұрын

hoang is the single reason the celts militia dark age speed got removed.

This was the first time i'm part of the statistics, currently sitting around 1280~ elo! I'm doing my Part!

Romans, having one of their best matchups being against Byzantines. Byzantines: Et tu, Brute?!

@ovnar818

5 ай бұрын

because they covered each other's back.

@SIGNOR-G

5 ай бұрын

Guess the original is always the best

@georgeprchal3924

4 ай бұрын

Romans: You're not Rome, you're just Greece pretending to be. Teutons: Yeah you tell 'em! Romans: Quiet "Mr Holy Roman Empire" you're just Germany pretending.

Imagine being so good with a civ and playing it so much that you single-handedly boost their win rate in the top 1% of players by a significant percentage. Hoang has always been and will always be an absolute legend. Celt eat TC indeed.

@Brunosky_Inc

5 ай бұрын

And not just that, but achieving it while also fully commiting to playing off-meta in his own little world of hyper agression

@RaynmanPlays

5 ай бұрын

@@Brunosky_Inc It's beautiful. I love players like Hoang. Players who see the meta and say, "No, I like to play this way." And then they're one of the best in the world, playing the way they like to play.

@Booklat1

4 ай бұрын

Celts had to be nerfed because of his playstyle. It's an incredible flex.

@katfoode3222

4 ай бұрын

@@sincapinkuzusuhuhuu1278lol why

@coreypatterson5827

4 ай бұрын

@@RaynmanPlays You tend to find at least one or two of those in the top ranks of pretty much any game with a competitive scene. Guys who run characters/factions/builds that most people would get dumpstered with, and make it work well enough to win tourneys. They tend to be some of the most fun players to watch in action, because their oddball strats make you look twice.

Guys hey, law of the spirit here.

@Marqrk

5 ай бұрын

Hey Spirit, Guy of the Law here

@nishthedude

5 ай бұрын

what

@CrickettoSantalune

5 ай бұрын

Hey laws, guys of the spirit here

@Doctor-strange98

5 ай бұрын

law hey here guys the of spirit @@CrickettoSantalune

@chingamfong

5 ай бұрын

Here Spirit, law of the guys, hey!

Is important to point out that AoE2 have very good balance overall. If best civ has 54% winrate this still mean it is almost 50-50, what is goal of balance.

@user-sl6gn1ss8p

5 ай бұрын

True, and I don't mean to take away from the devs (the current or former ones), but the way aoe2 and its civilizations work make balance quite a lot easier than other games as well. Civilizations are all variations on a theme and bonuses are not crazy. In general the largest difference come from either having or not having some options, but so long as there are different options which are viable on average that is fine.

@Salnax

5 ай бұрын

The guideline for fighting games is something like having a max win rate of 60% against any particular opponent. We aren’t quite there, but considering how much maps and team games change things, AoE2 is in a pretty good spot.

@deutscher1a

5 ай бұрын

@@Salnax between fighting games and strategy games is a big diff tho I used to be a top 20 player in a fighting game and was able to beat everyone except my friends consistently(training partner are a terrible matchup if they read you) But in rts its more about an adaptive gameplan for the long run, than guessin or being lucky with a gut feeling - i used hyperagression, so mostly guess or luck was the decider

@hareshneeraj998

5 ай бұрын

54% at 1200+. At 1900+, Mongol has 58% winrate. That's 30 to 40% higher relative odds of winning than losing and needs balance

The good thing about beeing a metaslave is that I now cant blame my civ for loosing my game. Now i lose because of bad ping.

@dieblauebedrohung

5 ай бұрын

lose*

@Phil-xs5xq

5 ай бұрын

You already lost by becoming a metaslave

@ordinaryrat

5 ай бұрын

Your a slave?!?

@daveinthemicrowave

5 ай бұрын

13 11

@xthetenth

5 ай бұрын

Blame your inexperience with your civ of choice!

Hindustanis: "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me."

Love that hoang is single handedly contributing to the win rate :D

Impressive job by Hoang. Funny storyline with Hindustanis happening to jump back to #1 just in time for annual review even though they were below average some months ago.

@candrarazaka4351

5 ай бұрын

i think because most of infantry civs are inferior compared to the knight civs is what makes hindustanis are better now in the ladder. Romans are the exception as their centurion is not their core unit, but rather should always be in tandem with legions and scorps, all three can complement well with their weaknesses. pretty much the same case for hindustanis (camels -> cavs ; ghulams -> archers)

@ArawnOfAnnwn

5 ай бұрын

@@candrarazaka4351 Infantry has been consistently buffed for years, while cavalry has been frequently nerfed. And yet apparently infantry civs are still inferior compared to knight civs. Devs: Why won't you die?!!

@ArawnOfAnnwn

5 ай бұрын

@@candrarazaka4351 Infantry has been consistently buffed for years, while cavalry has been frequently nerfed. And yet apparently infantry civs are still inferior compared to knight civs. 😂

@sirjmo

5 ай бұрын

​@@ArawnOfAnnwnits because infantry has neither the mobility of cav, the skirmishing of range, nor the destructiveness of siege. How can the balance be made narrower?

@ArawnOfAnnwn

5 ай бұрын

@@sirjmo Same way it was historically. Infantry held the line i.e. they were tanky. Also they were cheap. They are cheap in AoE 2 as well, but only compared to cav not so much ranged units on foot. They're also not tanky, except for the Teutonic Knight that's not just very slow but also not all that tanky against archers. Consider that one of the most popular infantry units in the game is the Huskarl. It resists archers and isn't extra slow for it. Infantry are more effective in AoE 4 partly cos it has upgrades that make men-at-arms much more resilient. Note that cavalry isn't just more mobile in AoE 2, it's also the tankiest unit class in the game. It isn't just their mobility that put them at the top.

Hi ! Thanks for the video. 6:51 "The Berserk is also a Loki dangerous unit" ... Loki, Viking, gg :D

I have a feeling the new patch with the better Archer pathing will impact these rankings significantly.

@zeroyuki92

5 ай бұрын

Yes, but mostly for high ELO. I don't think it would change things that much for everyone else (heck even Daut didn't see what is the problem in archer pathing 11)

Its always so amusing seeing ILickToesAtNight's name scrolling past in the patrons list, him actually saying his name a few times in the past caught me off guard so bad

@chiralvandal

4 ай бұрын

I never noticed that!

0:25 that one skirmisher looks like he's on the top of the left scaffolding

@HandsomeGamerGuy

5 ай бұрын

Nice Catch!

6:06 Today I learned that Vikings were introduced in Age of Kings. They didn't appear in any campaign scenario until The Conquerors expansion.

@georgeprchal3924

4 ай бұрын

I don't think the Japanese did either

6th attempt to ask for Spirit of the Law to start civilisation review series for Romae ad Bellum. Thanks for your informative videos :D

Regular SOTL videos are great. But this is the year the AOElympics are supposed to take place and I cannot wait for that

@chiralvandal

4 ай бұрын

woot!

FINALLLY the Celts made it to a win rate list!

As an Aztec fan, this video hurts.

@ariisee

5 ай бұрын

As someone who knows that Goths should be at #1, this video hurts even more.

@LuxMasakrator

5 ай бұрын

47,50% and we are getting even lower.

@Squiggums799

5 ай бұрын

​@@ariiseeyes! I was looking for this comment!!

Hoang is so goated holy hell imagine singlehandedly pushing a civs winrate

Ahh the familiar faces of Slavs, Teutons, Huns and Franks are still here. That's good.

Hoang: Celt eat TC. SoL: Hoang eat stat.

I somehow expected Incas to show up, they have gotten some nice buffs and are real fun both to 1v1 and play on teams nowadays

I love the attention to detail. It is so important to note things like sample size and outliers (Hoang), and I just love that you do that

Seeing my bois teutons true love makes me happy!!

I'd be interested to see similar video of the worst performing civs. Maybe next week?

Amazing video, as always. I'd love to have a new one 3 months post-pathing fix so we could figure how much it impacted on the civs.

Thank you so much for dropping AoE vids right when I'm getting lunch. You a real one for that.

Shoutout to Hoang, solo carrying Celts to top 10! 1111

thanks for this awesome informative video bro

Celt eat TC

I've always been adamant that never getting housed is the most underrated civ bonus in the game.

@francor1335

2 ай бұрын

Drawback: you can't wall with houses

Woot woot SoL spreadsheet presentation yay!

How about a vid on which civs seem to win mostly in long post IMP games? I thought Teutons would be one with their eco and death ball of Tknights, Rams, Paladins

@simhanssens7331

5 ай бұрын

Post imp means no gold, so no 3 gold composition.. Tknights are unmicroable so unuseable. Rams aren't good when BBC and Trebs exist. Their paladins while good aren't the best. So no teutons wouldn't be very good post Imp

@tankofnova9022

5 ай бұрын

@simhanssens7331 The Tknight is in the ram guarded by Pals. How do you stop that bulldozer? Archers don't harm rams, and any melee other than spears get mopped by Pals, which can die easy if Tknights exit. They only exist in this death ball as ram boosts and immediate defense of ram

@freshrockpapa-e7799

5 ай бұрын

@@simhanssens7331when you have no clue about how the game works

@JammyBriton

5 ай бұрын

@@tankofnova9022 Either halb SO, or you don't. Use mobility to avoid that ball and wreck their eco, ensure they can't produce because rams and TKs are slow and that comp is expensive. Cataphract/halb also say hi. There are options

@simhanssens7331

5 ай бұрын

@@tankofnova9022 Like Jammy said. Halbs in front, Hussar raiding the teutons' eco and some form of siege to flatten the rams.

great vedio! thx

Ok those red bombard cannons right at the beginning really sold missing those trebs.

Cool to see so many AoK civs in the top 10 for 1v1.

Ty

Many civs are great on other maps 🗺 though, which have been getting more attention (though more eccentric maps are always nice). Also, I think Mongols' late game being surprisingly subpar is probably showing how important Crop Rotation, Two-Man Saw, and Guilds are. And how strong speed nerfs can be.

It's great that infantry civs are so viable these days

@Squiggums799

5 ай бұрын

I can feel it in my bones. Prepare for the rise of the Goths!

That last Persian bonus was removed so fast I low key forgot it was even a thing for a while

I wonder how these rankings will change as winrates have time to reflect the fixing of archer pathing

Where do you download this data? Is there historical data available too or is it just you archiving it? Amazing work

Hey Spirit! What do you use for crunching the data? Xcel/Google sheets or a dedicated stats software?

Hi guys Spirit of the law here and today we are going to take care of the homless issue

i have loved hindustanis from the start despite being a knight fan and the ending was a surprise.. i didn't think they were top civ rn

My Slav strat tends to be making 10 barracks and having a massive economy, then swarming out Halberdiers with area damage until the enemy runs out of gold, then I start making rams and champions.

Law guys, spirit of the Hey here

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Hey Spirit, Guys of the law here 🎉

Hey law, Spirit of the guys here

Well over 20 years later, the highest winrate disparity is less than 6%. This game is immaculately balanced, and it's insanely impressive. For reference, League of Legends frequently has 65%+ winrate champions from tiny balance changes, and the devs of that game clearly do not understand balance, or are intentionally making it worse. AoE2 really, REALLY needs to be openly commended for how fantastic the balance is.

@dj_koen1265

4 ай бұрын

part of that is how well the foundation of the game is laid out, part of that is years if not decades of careful / targeted balancing. as for league; there was this old joke that the riot balance team would throw darts at a dartboard to decide who gets buffed and nerfed, but usually its clear cases where champions got buffed/nerfed with spectator engagement or skin sales as their main priority

Hey Sotl, any chance to get a Hussite Wagon vs Organ Gun in depth comparison?

If he does another squarespace website it should be a shellfish distribution company. Spirit of the Claw

i love your videos!!!!!!

Hoang is insane

0:50 I'm pissed at that knight way more than i should be 11

law here, spirit of the guys hey

Spirit Guys, Law of the Hey here

I think you should relabel the y axis of the win percentage vs time to win probability. That way is less misleading

Nice.

i hope we can get a 4v4 version too

So what you're saying is, Hoang is the Spiders Georg of AOE2?

Hm. What about a video showing the top X land/water/ maps for 1v1/team games and explaining why they are good?

life fuel

hey spirit, guys here

I want to see the video that puts my beloved Poles in any kind of Top 10 list. Even if it's a "Top 10 Worst Civs" list. 🤣

@The-jy3yq

5 ай бұрын

Nahhh Poles are always caught in the middle * looks at Saracens * just as the way you've always been

@youcanthandlethetruth5433

5 ай бұрын

Poles are top 10. People just don't know how to play them Me a poles player I've got a record of 11-0 with poles in the last 11 games I played as them in 1v1 quickmatch

@edmorris4103

5 ай бұрын

@@youcanthandlethetruth5433 I mean, I'd agree with you. But I'm a lowly ~700 ELO player. So my opinion is barely worth the electrons on the screen.

@pmnt_

5 ай бұрын

Top 10 medium civs. Honorable mention goes to the Poles who are just above the middle 10 civs.

@CrnaStrela

5 ай бұрын

Poles should be in top 10 closed map civs. They used to be number 1 but the hit on Folwark made them fell from the top and unable to compete against late game powerhouse like Turks and Bohemians.

Nice

Hey law, guys of the spirit here.

Vikings good win% and with archers.... I still want thumbring back -_-

Yet another masterpiece video by sotl. WE WINNING 1V1 WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣💪💪💪💪💪

Here law, hey guys of the spirit

I wonder how some civs without relevant eco bonuses would fare if they would get some.

Great video but I’ll stick with my Mayans always

Don't care about the winrate, will forever spam Byzantines.

@dj_koen1265

4 ай бұрын

i used to one trick byzantines, although i have started playing slavs recently because byz are a bit one dimensional in a lot of ways and you are constantly on the back foot

I understand this list is for Arabia specifically. One map pool was very open, another was very closed. Sometimes you can have more hybrid or water maps in map pool and sometimes less. What value has this video considering the variety of maps and map pools?

@deutscher1a

5 ай бұрын

The general value is: It depends Teutons are also massively strong on arena - like all civs above 20 min games can get a good advandatage from less open/closed maps - but all maps ranks it below top 5, cause no real water play If you check those civs, read into them Teutons: Strong vs monks, strong with monks, superior defense techs, superior pala and inf Hybrid may work for early water, wood discount on farm transition can benefit it - but not for late hybrid or full water maps, since you want use less on wood than gold and food for your unit comp Check the other civs to learn more about them tho(but franks are close tbh with main pala focus)

@Mattroid99

5 ай бұрын

Because most people play Arabia as it is one of the very few maps that is still interesting after being played over and over as it's so varied (That being said win rate =/= viability, high win rate doesn't make Celts good nor lower win rate doesn't make Mayans and Incas top 3 Arabia civs) For different maps different criterias apply

Video suggestion for april 1st. Who has the best anti-anti-archer-archer ?

@PoliWarder

4 ай бұрын

I'm not sure if I got what you mean, but looks like you are looking an archer unit that performs well against it's most common counters. So, it's probably Britons since their insane range on longbows with +1 damage compared to Arbs makes usual counters hard to work, you have to run through their rain of arrows for so long before being able to attack and pierce armor becomes less valuable with the +1 damage.

@haelww1

4 ай бұрын

@@PoliWarder Good call. It was mainly a joke on previous SotL videos, like the vietnamese and the chu-ko-nu.

Can we see a worst civilizations for 1v1 please

what sites do you use to get your data?

If my playstyle is post-imp boomish - should I go for early on strong civs to counter balance this or embrace it by using more of a scaling civ? around 1100 elo.

@dj_koen1265

4 ай бұрын

maybe a bit of both, franks is always decent both early and late, persians too

huh, was expecting gurjaras to be here

Hey Spirit of the Law, guys here

Age of the kings and conquerors list

No archer civ is really telling something. And I am not sure this is all due to pathing. The increased cost of xbows upgrade in an already-cavalry-dominated scenario was really hard to understand, at least in a 1v1 perspective. As Hera and Viper suggested, a mild decrease (25-50 res in total) should really be done.

Hoang has multiple accounts, at least his 'Rin' account also has over 2k games with Celts

Благодарим ви!

Oh cool, this is why im going vs Hindustanis every game on the ladder now lol

I will love so much than Huns gain Steppe lancer, but just generic steppe lancer, without elite upgrade. Ok, maybe not generic because of the team bonus...

@Krbyfan1

5 ай бұрын

My question is are steppe lancers any good though? I know when they were introduced they were beasts but it feels like they got nerfed into oblivion and haven't really recovered since.

@The-jy3yq

5 ай бұрын

​@@Krbyfan1-Mangudai- Mongol -Mangudai- Steppies are ok (why build -Mangudai- Lancers when can build Mangudai - no counter is in the bar tonight) Tatar and especially Cuman Steppies are garbo though

@Snrasha

5 ай бұрын

@@Krbyfan1 Well, if you are Huns, on a teamgame, you will maybe start with 3 steppe lancer for harass the enemi before switch to knight. In 1V1, you can get very fastly your 3-6 steppe lancer too with Huns. Steppe Lancer are very early-castle, like of how powerfull condotierro are for italians on early imp.

@MorleyGames1

5 ай бұрын

@@The-jy3yqi’m currently lancer rushing with tatars and got to a new highest elo of 1674. Tatars lancers are fine, just a little more fragile than mongols but they pack a punch

Hey Law idk if you are gonna see this but it would be great if you can do an experiment on unit formations and see if there are hidden stats or units behave differently if they are composed of different types.. ect. I think it would be interesting to know more about that. Maybe box formation gives hidden defensive stats, etc..

Surprised to see hindustanis as number 1. They are rarely picked in s tier tournaments.

Cavalry is good? Man, that's a huge change from previous years.

Huns with Steppe Lancers? If only...

Does playing time mean ingame? Why ingame time is faster than real life time?

@trystanclemenceau2071

5 ай бұрын

Because the game is actually never played at the x1 "default" speed

so is Arabia the de_dust2 of AOE2?

@dj_koen1265

4 ай бұрын

idk what that is but arabia is the standard 1v1 map

@steffen2592

4 ай бұрын

@@dj_koen1265de_dust2 = Counter Strike

LFG Hindustanis! My favorite civ to play :)))) for obvious reasons

Inverse powercreep; old civs are stronger than the newer ones

Jusr as before Histustani are top because they are THE antimeta civ. Plus a strong economy. So... they are very close to broken.

Where I can search that data?

Let's talk about my precious Sicilians being #5 on the overall!