Ben Felix And The 2.7% Safe Withdrawal Rate

A recent study claimed that the 4% rule was based on biased data. Specifically, it was flawed because it relied on U.S. returns data and inflation, and assumed a 30-year retirement. Based on life expectancy data from the Social Security Administration and returns and inflation data dating back to 1890 from 38 developed countries, the study concluded that a "safe" withdrawal rate assuming a 1% chance of failure was just 0.80%.
Recently, Ben Felix produced a video on this study that many have asked me about. In this video, I cover what I think are some fundamental flaws in the study, at least if one tries to apply it to a real-life retirement. More importantly, I discuss safe withdrawal rates in general and how one much use them in an uncertain world.
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  • @EinzeltonTV
    @EinzeltonTV Жыл бұрын

    Ben not once claimed that a 2.7% SWR is the way to go of even that fixed WR are preferable at all, in fact he mentions that other strategies are superior. The main point if his video is: if your going for a SWR-strategy, 4% is too damn high

  • @mechthildhaeussler5736
    @mechthildhaeussler5736 Жыл бұрын

    I have been living in several countries outside the US, and I can tell that this study has the typical North American bias. Nobody in a European country would think about limiting their investment to their home country. Outside the US, "international" as represented eg. in an MSCI World ETF (often adding emerging markets) is the default (if ever they limit themselves to one country it would be the US ;-). This should result in lower volatility thanks to greater diversification.

  • @jimclark5037
    @jimclark5037 Жыл бұрын

    I feel like "gut guardrails" will work fine. I'll start taking 4%. if my portfolio is down the following year, I'll take less, if it's up significantly, I'll get a raise. Nobody knows for sure what will happen so why spend days doing calculations unless you enjoy it!

  • @aaront936
    @aaront936 Жыл бұрын

    Your interview with Bill Bingen the founder of the 4% rule and the fact he's sitting 90% cash is scary that the founder of the 4% rule doesn't follow the 4% rule.

  • @paulwright9749
    @paulwright9749

    I think a safe withdrawal rate would be 0% per year.

  • @abrahams.lincoln6749
    @abrahams.lincoln6749 Жыл бұрын

    2.7% withdrawal rate? That is the saddest thing I have ever heard. May as well just work until death.

  • @PH-dm8ew
    @PH-dm8ew Жыл бұрын

    Very well-reasoned episode. 9 out of 10 don't live into their 90's. I think we can take a small percentage risk that we will not. I certainly can almost guarantee i will not.

  • @stephen7448
    @stephen7448 Жыл бұрын

    Wow, what a great video Rob! So many other channels tell you what to believe with no analysis or rationale behind it. As an investor who enjoys getting into the data this video is pure gold. Thanks for not dumbing things down and trusting the intelligence of your viewers.

  • @DutchRall
    @DutchRall Жыл бұрын

    Your 2-3% withdrawal rate based on retirement age for reasonably comfortable minimal necessary expenses is I think the best advice you’ve given so far... and it’s what I’ve positioned for as well. Appreciate your work and channel.

  • @jonathanmartin2480
    @jonathanmartin2480 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the insight Rob. In my mind, the more risks you account for, the lower your safe withdrawl rate becomes until you get to nuclear winter, at which point the safe withdrawl rate is a well stocked bunker. The best anyone can do is to make an educated guess and be flexible. No matter how much you have saved, there are plenty of Americans retiring with zero savings, and they must be getting by some how.

  • @dmsoundcollective6746
    @dmsoundcollective6746 Жыл бұрын

    You are absolutely the best man thank you so much for putting this out

  • @Xulgaron
    @Xulgaron Жыл бұрын

    I am not an english native and like following you because you speak very clear. this makes you a great finance expert for much more people than english ones.

  • @vinylcrafters4758
    @vinylcrafters4758 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, I like the idea of having two withdrawal rates, one for normal living and one for belt tightening. Helps to know we could still make it even if times got tough.

  • @smichener1
    @smichener1 Жыл бұрын

    Very thoughtful common sense analysis, as in most of your videos. Thanks Rob. Keep up the good work.

  • @radiok2ua
    @radiok2ua

    Probably your best video of all that I've watched ("a lot"), Rob, thanks.

  • @VamboraSingapore
    @VamboraSingapore Жыл бұрын

    Love it when both (this and Ben's) base arguments of intellectual experience

  • @nickhembree
    @nickhembree Жыл бұрын

    What a great topic all compiled into a short video. Thanks for all the great content.

  • @susanbriancatalano9760
    @susanbriancatalano9760 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent! Thank you

  • @JosephDickson
    @JosephDickson Жыл бұрын

    Problems aside. This study will serve as a reminder that a safe withdrawal rate can't be guaranteed.

  • @iwan2bninja
    @iwan2bninja

    Very good points and analysis