Excellent video! I'm a 30 year old gay man but I can remember back when I was around 18 years old (the same age I realized I was gay) wondering why T was considered a part of a community that otherwise focused exclusively on same sex attraction. I innocently asked why the T was included once at a campus gay support group and was quickly met with hostility for having even dared asked the question. Some of the more level headed members gently told me though that their inclusion was due to them being a persecuted minority. I decided it was best not to press this further but I thought to myself "Well, Jews are also a persecuted minority but we don't have a J in the acronym for them. Nor is there a D for people with disabilities." It just seemed to me that not even the people who supported the inclusion of T understood why they were considered members of the same community. I also agree 100% with your hypothesis that a lot of this has to do with young people, not knowing themselves, seeking structure and a personal framework to help them better understand themselves. When I was in high school in the 2000's, kids known as "emo" were the big thing. They often wore dark clothing, had big hair, listened to moody music like My Chemical Romance, etc. In the 90's there was grunge, in the 1980's there was Goth, the 1970's had punks, the 1960's had hippies, and the 1950's had beatniks. There have always been groups of disaffected, lonely, and non-conformist young people who forged a counter culture. However, the groups prior never encouraged dramatic, irreversible changes to the body and life altering surgeries. At worst, a young person would get a regrettable tattoo or piercing but now we're having kids having major organs rearranged and their entire anatomy altered. I also think a lot of what we're seeing is due to the very recent phenomena of denigrating majority groups. These days, particularly amongst young people, it's becoming increasingly looked down upon to be a heterosexual man (and, to a lesser extent, a heterosexual woman), they're frequently seen as being "oppressors" and the cause of all of society's ills. So it doesn't surprise me that a lot of these heterosexual boys and girls, who can't change who they're attracted to, suddenly claiming to be "trans" or "non-binary" so that they'll no longer be considered one of the "oppressors". This has become particularly burdensome in the gay community as well because now we have these heterosexual men claiming to be lesbians and heterosexual women claiming to be gay men, now demanding that actual lesbians and gay men not only accept them as such but even be open to dating and being physically intimate with them. It's the ultimate irony that so many of these people, in an effort to not be considered part of the group that "oppresses LGBT people" is now doing just that by demanding us to ignore our sexual orientations. Sorry for the whole essay, this is just a subject that has been on my mind for a very long time now and has me very worried for so many young people and their future health. I think, as adults, we have a duty to protect teenagers and children from making some very damaging decisions which makes it all the more horrifying that I'm seeing so many adults who fancy themselves as pioneers of progress, encouraging this. My only hope is that, years from now, society will look back on this period and be horrified that it encouraged so many young people to harm themselves irreparably and with the implicit approval of people who should've known better.

it shouldnt be added on to LGB. It isnt about attraction to others.

@MadameRose-lw9go

2 ай бұрын

Ikr?So random

@TheUnhousedWanderer

2 ай бұрын

Many feel this way. Identity should be kept separate from sexual orientation.

@Jace7310

2 ай бұрын

@@TheUnhousedWanderer What is the explanation for the number of gays who experience gender dysphoria as children?

@BigSky000

2 ай бұрын

@@Jace7310 Maybe ask, instead, what's the explanation for the number of straights who so readily comply with the breeder indoctrination in the extreme animus-anima dichotomy.

@silviemcewan5193

2 ай бұрын

@@Jace7310 are they not trans then?

I really don’t understand why they’ve been linked. They seem at odds to me. How can you be same sex attracted if there is no such thing as sex?

@gmaas1418

2 ай бұрын

It has to do with sex, feelings about sex, you are both this way (you could say it's your identity), the feeling can not be changed or cured, you can count on rejection from society and it puts you in a minority. It seems to tick the same boxes as being gay, so ... add the T to the list.

@281992pdr

2 ай бұрын

@@gmaas1418 "...you can count on rejection from society..." That is wrong. In Western societies, law, through democratically elected parliaments, the courts through interpreting those laws, instututions generally (e.g. name an academic who has been cancelled for stating they are trans or pro-trans) and government departments with policies - especially "pronoun" policies - all support trans people. The cosmetic surgeries, that about only 5% of men who want to be women have, are all available on NHS or Medicare. Free for all members of NATO defence forces. Many, not all, international sporting institutions embrace natal males competing in women's sports. Many departments of education insist that teachers must "affirm" a child's delusion that they are of the opposite sex and are not to convey this to the child's parent/s. A natal male was just awarded the Oscar for "best actress". (You can check all those facts. I have.) In fact trans adherents can count on much more acceptance from society than rejection.

@MultiLlewis

2 ай бұрын

​@@gmaas1418then explain to a lesbian why she should have sex with a trans woman who still has a penis (a heterosexual man).

@Spinner773

2 ай бұрын

​@@gmaas1418once again, we are told we are In the same boat cause we're both outcasts from society.

@user-eg7zi5br3c

2 ай бұрын

Trans people wanted the medical treatments, they wanted to be accepted as the opposite sex. They saw these things as CIVIL RIGHTS and saw that LGB had gained civil rights such as marriage, employment and discrimination and tagged on to LGB. They will be responsible for LGB losing their Civil Rights if it comes down to legal issues coming back in the future.

Trans is not sexuality, it is identity

@stevengoldstein114

2 ай бұрын

@elijahmarie77444 The reason why Trans is identity and not sex is because there are two different SCALES, the Kinsey scale deals with sexual attraction from 0 being totally heterosexual ,and 6 being totally homosexual. The Utrecht Gender Dysphoria Scale means a 0 is complete comfort to being the biological gender your are born, and 5 is total toxicity to the gender you were biologically born.

@slacktoryrecords4193

Ай бұрын

@elijahmarie77444all of that is just unfalsifiable, spiritual pseudoscience with absolutely no basis in empirical reality.

Well put. As I heard Helen Joyce say in an interview, "[trans] is profoundly solipsistic."

@Soumein

2 ай бұрын

Solipsistic: having extreme self-centeredness. For those like me that don't know the word.

@susanhill833

2 ай бұрын

No, most transgender people are not solipsistic, Helen Joyce really does not know what she is talking about when it comes to transgender people. Here is the REAL truth about Gay and Transgenderism: It is NOT about chromosomes (the XX or the XY) or the BODY, it is about the STRUCTURE of the human brain. A Doctor with a Ph.D. in Genetics and his team did research on the STRUCTURE of the human brain. They studied the brain of straight women and straight men, gay women, and gay men, as well as transgendered women and transgendered men. What they found is this, the STRUCTURE of the brain between a male and a female is as different from each other as night is from the day. They also found that there are two distinct and separate areas of the brain that deal with sexuality and gender. They found that the area for sexual orientation in gay men is STRUCTURED the same as in straight women, NOT straight men, and in gay women, that area is STRUCTURED the same as in straight men, NOT straight women. Likewise, the center in the brain that deals with gender identity is the same, in transgender women (male to a female) it is STRUCTURED the same as in cis-women, (born and identify as female) NOT cis-men, (born and identify as male), and in transgender men, (female to male) it is STRUCTURED the same as in cis-men, NOT cis-women. It has been STRUCTURED this way since BEFORE birth. Two other teams in different parts of the world doing the same study all independent of each other found the exact same results. When a baby is first formed in the womb it is formed 100% female. Then after a few weeks, a signal from the father's genes tells the baby's body, the body only, to change and become male. The baby goes on for a few more weeks this way until it can produce a massive amount of the male hormone testosterone, which then tells the brain to change into the male pattern, such a massive amount will never be seen in that Child's life again except at the onset of puberty. If for some reason that baby does not get that massive dose of testosterone in the womb then the brain, or parts of it, continues to develop in the female pattern. Or in the case of gay women or Trans men, at some time in the mother's pregnancy that baby received a small dose of testosterone at the wrong time, either the mother ingested it somehow or her body produced it or the baby’s own body produced it all of which can and have happened. When a baby is being formed in the womb, any variation, even in the slightest, of the chemicals can cause birth defects. You have seen these birth defects in babies being born all the time, some born blind, or deaf, born with missing limbs, or heart problems, or even with a spine outside of the body, and many, many others. So why is it so hard for the right to believe that a person’s BRAIN can be STRUCTURED in the opposite way from what their bodies say they should be? You can believe in all other birth defects so why not this? I will use transgender women for this example, even though the body is male she likes all the same things a cis-gender woman likes, her emotional likes, wants and needs are the same as any woman's, and the way she sees the world is the same. Her interactions are the same, everything about her is the same as any cis-gender woman except the body. Sexual characteristics (the body) are set by the genes (the XX or the XY) but Gender is set by the STRUCTURE of the BRAIN, this has been proven through sound scientific study. Gender is how one see themselves and their place in the world and how they interact with it. If your body is set one way and your brain the other it causes a disharmony of mind and body (gender dysphoria) it is not now or ever has been a DELUSION or a PERVERSION or a MENTAL ILLNESS. When someone is going through life with this Dysphoria their life is a living hell, when people tell them that they can't be WHO they are inside because that person is uncomfortable with it then you are forcing the trans person to live in severe PAIN, Anxiety, and Depression, a PAIN that having your arms and legs cut off with a dull rusty hacksaw without any anesthetics seem like nothing in comparison, a pain that kills, LITERALLY KILLS. Think of everything you like and want as a man or a woman, everything that makes you, you, and then think how you would feel if you were constantly told that you can't have it, or be it, or do the things you love, because you are the opposite of who and what you are now, that you must bury everything that makes you, you because other people don't like it because it makes them uncomfortable, If constantly you were told that you were evil and dammed because you are who you are, denied a job, or a home, insulted, belittled, assaulted and even targeted to be KILLED just because you exist, how would you feel? Women, think how would you feel if you were forced to live, think, told to feel like and be a man, And told that you MUST do what men do, how men do it, see things the way men see them in order to be a man and you MUST be a man and that something is wrong with you if you don’t? How would you handle that? Men, think how you would feel if you were forced to live, think, feel, and be a woman? Told that you MUST do what women do, how women do it, see things the way women see them in order to be a woman and you MUST be a woman and that something is wrong with you if you don’t? How would you handle that? A trans woman does NOT fit, in a man’s social circle the same way a man does and yet they are expected to if they do not go through transition, they are expected to think, feel, and act just like any cis-gender man in that circle, but they can’t because their brain is STRUCTURED differently, so they are insulted, belittled beat on ridiculed, and humiliated by these men, constantly, all because their brain is STRUCTURED the same way a cis-gender woman’s brain is STRUCTURED. With their brain being STRUCTURED that way they would fit into a woman’s social circle but with their bodies being male, again they don’t fit in and they are excluded. They want to wear the same outfits the women wear because their brains tell them they should be just like them. Everything inside them SCREAMS that they are just like the people who are of the opposite gender and yet they are NOT allowed to be because other people are uncomfortable with them doing so, so they are FORCED to live in severe PAIN, anxiety, and depression. Trans people just want to be accepted for who they are, they want and are deserving of the very same rights as everyone else, no more and NO LESS. Here is the truth about the road to transition: First, the person MUST go to therapy, no therapy no transition, they will meet with a therapist who has knowledge and experience with transgender people. During this time they will begin social transitioning, social transitioning is nothing more than changing one's name and pronouns, and appearance such as hairstyle and clothing. Then after a number of sessions with the therapist (usually about a year) if the Dysphoria continues, and depending on the age of the person they may be given puberty blockers, (which are reversible). Then after many more sessions with the therapist and again if the Dysphoria continues they may be given hormones, it is these that have irreversible effects. Last: when they reach the age of CONSENT (CONSENT, NOT A KID, NO ONE IS DOING SURGERY ON KIDS) and if the Dysphoria continues, and if they have lived in the gender of their choice for a MINIMUM of 1 full year, and have letters from two therapists with one having a P.HD in psychology with both therapists having seen the person over a period of time they may get a consult from the surgeon, and there is usually a long waiting list for that, after the consult if the surgeon agrees then you get on the long waiting list for the surgery. IF ANYONE TELLS YOU DIFFERENTLY FROM THIS THEY ARE LYING TO YOU. Definition of a woman: How you define a woman is by how she sees herself, a woman is one who sees herself as one in mind and soul. If a person sees themselves as a woman, thinks as a woman, acts as a woman, and lives as a woman, then what is the harm to treat and respect her as one? If you cannot have compassion for another human being then how can you ask others to have compassion for you? Show compassion, empathy, and respect by calling them the name they prefer and with the pronouns they prefer. It does NOT harm you to do so but it does great harm to them when you don’t. Definition of a Man: How you define a man is by how he sees himself, a man is one who sees himself as one in mind and soul. If a person sees themselves as a man, thinks as a man, acts as a man, and lives as a man, then what is the harm to treat and respect him as one? If you cannot have compassion for another human being then how can you ask others to have compassion for you? Show compassion, empathy, and respect by calling them the name they prefer and with the pronouns they prefer. It does NOT harm you to do so but it does great harm to them when you don’t. Some of you reject the LGBTQ community because you have a need to feel morally superior to others, “pull the beam out of your own eyes before you try to pull the mote out of another’s”. Some of you reject the LGBTQ community because you don’t understand it and it fills you with fear, fear of something that is different from what you are used to, different from YOU, either one goes forward or one stagnates and dies, you limit your thinking and can’t or won’t learn, grow, and adapt. Some of you reject the LGBTQ community because you just want to hate and hurt others, it gives you a sick thrill, and you use the LGBTQ as an excuse to do so. But ALL of you who do these are small, weak, insecure, monumentally stupid, and utterly pathetic excuses of human beings.

@janebennetto5655

2 ай бұрын

@@susanhill833please stop copying and pasting this. No one will read such a LONGWINDED, solipsistic rant.

@janebennetto5655

2 ай бұрын

@@Soumeinit’s going to be my new word for trans-activists!

An outstanding synopsis of the phenomenon. I am enormous fan of you (as a person, insofar as I know you through these videos) and of your work in general. Heroic. Thank you. I am a gay male and went through an effeminate phase as a 9-year-old (carrying a handbag and asking to be called Marcia instead of Mark) but I grew out of it after a month or two - just a phase, experimenting with femininity!! I was and still am a male person. Thanks for understanding us and speaking up for us!

@DorianPaige00

2 ай бұрын

And I'm a gay male who has been castrated and takes low dose estrogen. I don't present like a fruitcake; my softness is in my skin and my unmasculinized body. If I didn't have this I wouldn't engage with society or date. The control is that I went through full development and had to starve it out with calorie and protein restriction. Even though I remained small I still was not looking like my former self, so I went on HRT and had the orchiectomy. Most males want to keep their youth and I did.

@susanhill833

2 ай бұрын

In ALL her videos about transgender people she shows that she does not know anything about them and that she is very anti-trans. Here is the REAL truth about Gay and Transgenderism: It is NOT about chromosomes (the XX or the XY) or the BODY, it is about the STRUCTURE of the human brain. A Doctor with a Ph.D. in Genetics and his team did research on the STRUCTURE of the human brain. They studied the brain of straight women and straight men, gay women, and gay men, as well as transgendered women and transgendered men. What they found is this, the STRUCTURE of the brain between a male and a female is as different from each other as night is from the day. They also found that there are two distinct and separate areas of the brain that deal with sexuality and gender. They found that the area for sexual orientation in gay men is STRUCTURED the same as in straight women, NOT straight men, and in gay women, that area is STRUCTURED the same as in straight men, NOT straight women. Likewise, the center in the brain that deals with gender identity is the same, in transgender women (male to a female) it is STRUCTURED the same as in cis-women, (born and identify as female) NOT cis-men, (born and identify as male), and in transgender men, (female to male) it is STRUCTURED the same as in cis-men, NOT cis-women. It has been STRUCTURED this way since BEFORE birth. Two other teams in different parts of the world doing the same study all independent of each other found the exact same results. When a baby is first formed in the womb it is formed 100% female. Then after a few weeks, a signal from the father's genes tells the baby's body, the body only, to change and become male. The baby goes on for a few more weeks this way until it can produce a massive amount of the male hormone testosterone, which then tells the brain to change into the male pattern, such a massive amount will never be seen in that Child's life again except at the onset of puberty. If for some reason that baby does not get that massive dose of testosterone in the womb then the brain, or parts of it, continues to develop in the female pattern. Or in the case of gay women or Trans men, at some time in the mother's pregnancy that baby received a small dose of testosterone at the wrong time, either the mother ingested it somehow or her body produced it or the baby’s own body produced it all of which can and have happened. When a baby is being formed in the womb, any variation, even in the slightest, of the chemicals can cause birth defects. You have seen these birth defects in babies being born all the time, some born blind, or deaf, born with missing limbs, or heart problems, or even with a spine outside of the body, and many, many others. So why is it so hard for the right to believe that a person’s BRAIN can be STRUCTURED in the opposite way from what their bodies say they should be? You can believe in all other birth defects so why not this? I will use transgender women for this example, even though the body is male she likes all the same things a cis-gender woman likes, her emotional likes, wants and needs are the same as any woman's, and the way she sees the world is the same. Her interactions are the same, everything about her is the same as any cis-gender woman except the body. Sexual characteristics (the body) are set by the genes (the XX or the XY) but Gender is set by the STRUCTURE of the BRAIN, this has been proven through sound scientific study. Gender is how one see themselves and their place in the world and how they interact with it. If your body is set one way and your brain the other it causes a disharmony of mind and body (gender dysphoria) it is not now or ever has been a DELUSION or a PERVERSION or a MENTAL ILLNESS. When someone is going through life with this Dysphoria their life is a living hell, when people tell them that they can't be WHO they are inside because that person is uncomfortable with it then you are forcing the trans person to live in severe PAIN, Anxiety, and Depression, a PAIN that having your arms and legs cut off with a dull rusty hacksaw without any anesthetics seem like nothing in comparison, a pain that kills, LITERALLY KILLS. Think of everything you like and want as a man or a woman, everything that makes you, you, and then think how you would feel if you were constantly told that you can't have it, or be it, or do the things you love, because you are the opposite of who and what you are now, that you must bury everything that makes you, you because other people don't like it because it makes them uncomfortable, If constantly you were told that you were evil and dammed because you are who you are, denied a job, or a home, insulted, belittled, assaulted and even targeted to be KILLED just because you exist, how would you feel? Women, think how would you feel if you were forced to live, think, told to feel like and be a man, And told that you MUST do what men do, how men do it, see things the way men see them in order to be a man and you MUST be a man and that something is wrong with you if you don’t? How would you handle that? Men, think how you would feel if you were forced to live, think, feel, and be a woman? Told that you MUST do what women do, how women do it, see things the way women see them in order to be a woman and you MUST be a woman and that something is wrong with you if you don’t? How would you handle that? A trans woman does NOT fit, in a man’s social circle the same way a man does and yet they are expected to if they do not go through transition, they are expected to think, feel, and act just like any cis-gender man in that circle, but they can’t because their brain is STRUCTURED differently, so they are insulted, belittled beat on ridiculed, and humiliated by these men, constantly, all because their brain is STRUCTURED the same way a cis-gender woman’s brain is STRUCTURED. With their brain being STRUCTURED that way they would fit into a woman’s social circle but with their bodies being male, again they don’t fit in and they are excluded. They want to wear the same outfits the women wear because their brains tell them they should be just like them. Everything inside them SCREAMS that they are just like the people who are of the opposite gender and yet they are NOT allowed to be because other people are uncomfortable with them doing so, so they are FORCED to live in severe PAIN, anxiety, and depression. Trans people just want to be accepted for who they are, they want and are deserving of the very same rights as everyone else, no more and NO LESS. Here is the truth about the road to transition: First, the person MUST go to therapy, no therapy no transition, they will meet with a therapist who has knowledge and experience with transgender people. During this time they will begin social transitioning, social transitioning is nothing more than changing one's name and pronouns, and appearance such as hairstyle and clothing. Then after a number of sessions with the therapist (usually about a year) if the Dysphoria continues, and depending on the age of the person they may be given puberty blockers, (which are reversible). Then after many more sessions with the therapist and again if the Dysphoria continues they may be given hormones, it is these that have irreversible effects. Last: when they reach the age of CONSENT (CONSENT, NOT A KID, NO ONE IS DOING SURGERY ON KIDS) and if the Dysphoria continues, and if they have lived in the gender of their choice for a MINIMUM of 1 full year, and have letters from two therapists with one having a P.HD in psychology with both therapists having seen the person over a period of time they may get a consult from the surgeon, and there is usually a long waiting list for that, after the consult if the surgeon agrees then you get on the long waiting list for the surgery. IF ANYONE TELLS YOU DIFFERENTLY FROM THIS THEY ARE LYING TO YOU. Definition of a woman: How you define a woman is by how she sees herself, a woman is one who sees herself as one in mind and soul. If a person sees themselves as a woman, thinks as a woman, acts as a woman, and lives as a woman, then what is the harm to treat and respect her as one? If you cannot have compassion for another human being then how can you ask others to have compassion for you? Show compassion, empathy, and respect by calling them the name they prefer and with the pronouns they prefer. It does NOT harm you to do so but it does great harm to them when you don’t. Definition of a Man: How you define a man is by how he sees himself, a man is one who sees himself as one in mind and soul. If a person sees themselves as a man, thinks as a man, acts as a man, and lives as a man, then what is the harm to treat and respect him as one? If you cannot have compassion for another human being then how can you ask others to have compassion for you? Show compassion, empathy, and respect by calling them the name they prefer and with the pronouns they prefer. It does NOT harm you to do so but it does great harm to them when you don’t. Some of you reject the LGBTQ community because you have a need to feel morally superior to others, “pull the beam out of your own eyes before you try to pull the mote out of another’s”. Some of you reject the LGBTQ community because you don’t understand it and it fills you with fear, fear of something that is different from what you are used to, different from YOU, either one goes forward or one stagnates and dies, you limit your thinking and can’t or won’t learn, grow, and adapt. Some of you reject the LGBTQ community because you just want to hate and hurt others, it gives you a sick thrill, and you use the LGBTQ as an excuse to do so. But ALL of you who do these are small, weak, insecure, monumentally stupid, and utterly pathetic excuses of human beings.

I thought the link between the two groups was gender nonconformity and the gender dysphoria that many gay people experience as children.

@slacktoryrecords4193

Ай бұрын

And what about the gay people who aren’t gender non-conforming as adults? What about the trans-identifying people who don’t actually experience dysphoria but are actually just erotic cross-dressers or AGPs? Same-sex attraction has nothing to do with people who wish, for various reasons (some wildly different from each other) that they weren’t the sex that they are.

@Jace7310

Ай бұрын

@@slacktoryrecords4193 A significant number of gays ARE gender non-conforming so they form a link to trans people. Both gender conforming and non-conforming gays are included in the same group because they share sexual orientation in common. In the same way gender non-conforming gays and trans share gender non-conformity. Blanchard said that AGPs also experience gender dysphoria along with the erotic feelings and some AGPs are attracted to men. I personally don't think there's a clear dividing line between AGPs and what some people call "true trans".

Thank you Stella. That was really helpful. I think that the contrast of "relationship with others" versus "focusing on self" is a wonderful way of framing a useful conversation with people who are yet to understand the potential damage that gender-confused adolescents face.

@DorianPaige00

2 ай бұрын

We are not confused!

@susanhill833

2 ай бұрын

She is in error about transgender people. it is Not about focusing on self, it is about how the world and society see them and how they interact and are treated in it, yes it has some self in it but it is Far, far more than that. Read what I posted on here, it is the truth about why a transgender person does and is what they are.

Finally-thank you. It is so hard trying to explain this.

Stella, so grateful for your take on this. ❤

Excellent exploration of this issue and what has been going on in the last few years. Stella and Helen Joyce bring a calm rational intellectual argument to this issue. I have an Irish heritage and was raised catholic. Although I rejected the religion many years ago, I think being raised in that religion gave me an insight, a foundation, in which to weigh up the world. It can help one spot a cult and analyse when something is a bit off. In the case of trans way off the path of rational.

Incredibly helpful for all those worred parents out there Thank you. Trans to me is basically a person who believes and /or wants others to believe they are not the biological sex that they are. It's a simple as that. So they do exist but cover a broad range of people. And there are a range of issues to be sensitively worked through for each of the interest groups within this broad defintion Many safeguarding, welfare, legal and human rights issues to discuss in order to achieve minimum harm , maximum rights balanced, safe and fair for everyone.

1:41 "if you give it some thought..." if only people could! Too many aren't thinking from their experience instead they 'think' to achieve ideological alignment and that makes all the difference and all the harm.

Clearly spoken common sense.

From my personal experience, as I have transitioned and detransitioned. The whole reason I did what I did was my internalised homophobia and the need for conformity, eg to blend into the "normal" society without the questioning looks from people given I was raised very religious and conservative. In truth, Im just an effiminate gay dude......years I lived presenting as female and blend in, I guess it was good for me socially, but now that I'm 30 and live in Thailand, my internalised homophobia and need to conform have mostly disappeared, I dont feel right about keeping those secrets anymore, also dysphoria has disappeared whether I present male or female. I'm starting to think gender dysphoria arose from the extreme need to fit in a conservative, hereronormative standards. And having that deeply imprinted into your mind. The reason for applying female standards to yourself is because you attracted to males and think that's the only way you will attract males, it's on a subconscious level. Once those standards are thrown out of the window, it looks like a fool's errand to me. Although this is true to me and propably a lot of trans people, Im sure there are those trans people who are not even gay and just get a high out of looking female.

Stella, excellent unravelling of a political and emotional knot. LGB and T have long been lumped together because we had common opponents. However, as an LGB activist back in the '80's, I saw the formal addition of the T as part of a shift from outsider politics to mainstream party constituency. Adding the T also assisted in the process of monetizing old radical networks into the career-sustaining consultancies we are up against today.

If you go with Blanchard’s simplistic categorization, at least for males, the homosexual transsexual made some sense to be associated with the LGB scene. In the end, transition is focused on other people for some of these transitioners. Being attractive for a mate in a way that is tolerable for the transitioned made sense. The problem is that not all transitioners are the same, especially these days where we now face an embarrassment of variety in the trans communities. I am concerned that it is too easy these days to paint every trans person with a single, broad brush when, in fact, the variety of motives (especially between men and women) is verging on overwhelming. I also assert that variety of motives will continue to climb and we should also be asking, “Why the variety?” By sticking to the broad brush approach, we ignore this very important question. Your discussion about western identity formation is very important. Identity foreclosure was more common further back in western history and is certainly more common outside of western culture. (Or was it proper achievement?) What has happened in recent times is interesting to study. I don’t personally have an answer, but I ask questions of whether we are keeping open identity exploration (moratorium) too long, increasing the chance of error? Are we introducing new kinds of errant foreclosure pressures? Is adolescence too full of identity diffusion, leading to far too much discomfort, and introducing pressures to foreclose rather than properly explore in order to achieve healthy achievement in emerging adulthood? (Is Marcia the wrong framework to analyze this?) I don’t know. It seems, however, that western culture has certainly interrupted adolescent and emerging adulthood identity formation in important ways. Technology is a big part of this problem. Since the technology genie will not be put back into its bottle, I can only assume that this problem will not go away anytime soon and in fact may only get worse into the future. Also, your mention of the non-falsifiability problem is very important.

@mikescollard6499

2 ай бұрын

It's micro plastic in the testes.

@NicoleTedesco

2 ай бұрын

@elijahmarie77444 Unfortunately, trans people not are born that way. Cross-sex identities are part of the personal identity development process. That process starts prior to the consolidation of our first lasting memories. One can be born with biasing factors, such as hormonal dysfunctions of various kinds, but by themselves these dysfunctions are not sufficient to develop a cross-sex identity. Sexual identity development happens in stages in childhood, with the biggest quantum leap in personal identity and especially sexual identity development occurring in adolescence. Aspects of personal identity development can be very “sticky,” difficult to dislodge, and which is why cross-sex identities can be so stubborn to treat any other way than transition. Moreover, personal identity models are gestalts. They form a holistic ensemble of various psychological states, memories, and motivations. They can FEEL like an atomic, indivisible whole of a single unit of thought. “I am,” can feel like a statement of fact when it is merely an observation of the narration one has built for oneself to help make sense of life and predict the future. Identity is an important part of our psychological functioning. Those who fail to establish stable senses of self are those who have, or go on to develop, various psychological pathologies such as autism or borderline personality disorder. When we are in states of personal identity flux, such as during adolescence, we are extremely uncomfortable, if not utterly lost. Erikson called this an “identity crisis” for a reason. Changes to personal identity can come if one has an opportunity to change, but that change does not come easy. It usually takes a natural neuroendocrine change to provide such an opportunity, such as the various growth opportunities in childhood, puberty, emerging adulthood, becoming a parent, or old age (e.g., menopause or andropause). Sometimes these opportunities can be artificially constructed to soften up one’s personal theory of self, model, or gestalt. These artificial opportunities include cult indoctrination, moving to a different country, intense psychological therapy, or psychedelics. The big question is, what personal identity gestalt forms once the psyche freezes again? What mold will one fit in to? This is where environment plays a big part, during every personal identity change opportunity in our lives, stretching back to our first year of life, probably even to our first puberty in the first WEEKS of life now that we can interact socially with other humans (our parents, mother in particular). Our personal identities remold as a COMBINATION of physical biases (e.g., hormone balance) and social factors. Are trans people”born this way?” Mmmmm, yes and no, I suppose. No one factor is sufficient to create a cross-sex personal identity. It is always a combination of factors that contribute to that particular kind of gestalt. Once formed, especially if formed early in childhood, ESPECIALLY before first permanent memory consolidation, these gestalts can be terribly difficult to change and will feel holistic, singular, AS IF there were some kind of gendered homunculus in the head that must be lived by, a “true self.” I suppose in some respects it IS a true self since personal identity gestalts are the only “self” we have. Just know that it is an edifice that was built in stages, POST BIRTH. It does not represent a metaphysical, unitary component of one’s existence, but is how we organize our experiences and motivations to make sense of ourselves, others, and our environment. Here is the thing: what incremental personal identity development can giveth, though difficult, incremental personal identity development can taketh away. This is why we have detransitioners. This happens more often in ROGD (adolescent onset) types because personal identity characteristics formed only during adolescence are less stable than those personal identity characteristics formed earlier in life. The thing is that they CAN change, whatever the level of difficulty. I have been fascinated by the detransitioners who report that everything changed once they indulged in psychedelics. Doing that is not sufficient to reverse gender dysphoria, which is the set of ramifications that come with the solidification of a cross-sex personal identity, but given the right life experiences, set of expectations, and life environment, can be an opportunity for reversal, or at least remission of a cross-sex identity. On the other hand, such treatments could alternatively strengthen that identity. It all depends. Psychedelic therapy may be an opportunity for remission or reversal, that’s all. No guarantees. The same with any other kind of personal identity-challenging therapy. I find fascinating the success that some autogynephelic men have managing their disorder by using a strong religious focus. Maybe one day psychologists will be able to provide reliable alternatives to transition for cross-sex personal identity formation for those who do not wish to disrupt their lives or take on the risks of transition. That would be nice, but unfortunately that day is not today. I wish researchers well. I know many trans people who have told me, “I wish I didn’t have to transition.” One day, they might not need to if they don’t wish to. (That last part will be the tough part because of the “I am” nature of personal identity formation.) Meanwhile, preventing someone with a solid cross-sex opportunity from transiting when that gestalt cannot be dislodged is just cruel. I think understanding the problem better may help us prevent such pathologies from forming in the first place, especially during adolescence for the ROGD crowd (boys or girls) or autogynephilic men. (Some detransitioning women have told me that, yes, autoandrophelia is a good model for them, so I think we should start taking that seriously.) Born with it? No. Born with biases that could contribute, sometimes yes but usually not, especially these days. Given how personal identities form in adolescence, especially given the influence of peers, “social contagion” is highly likely to be a real problem right in these contemporary times. We have to take that seriously. Other than that, I am sorry to say that there is no gendered homunculus in our brains.

@mikescollard6499

2 ай бұрын

@elijahmarie77444 Eventually they figured out fetal alcohol syndrome. This one may be Prozac or something such.

I agree that equating being trans and being gay does not hold up. Nicely explained too 😊

this is the central part of the problem for people particularly who lived through the 70s and 80s and saw the most mistakes we made with homosexuality and want to learn from history and not make the same mistakes. So genuinely I think this has been affirmed and supported by people who mean well and remember that time. and this is or has been my sticking point and something that I struggle with on a daily basis to understand the difference. first thing I’d say is that trans isn’t necessarily a sexual preference which LGB is which sets the aside in someway an important way got to say most of the things that said in this video feel like they could’ve easily been said about the gay rights and what have you in back in the day. I think the most compelling argument is that of gender representation versus physical genetic reality - you can present your self anyway you like and you can do whatever you like and some of those things might be related to gender stereotypes but it doesn’t make you the opposite sex because that’s something you can’t be. That is the beginning and ending of it for me it’s not about anything else and that as she says is quite possibly a mental illness, though I would say it’s more likely to be a social contagion and I don’t know whether those two things are the same thing.

Of course I agree with you! I was lucky to grow up at a time I could just be myself, didn’t date until after college, and only because I accidentally held an older 26yo woman’s hand River tubing for 10 seconds and had to let go, but wished I didn’t. I didn’t know why i wanted to tell her everything, but she was nice to hear some. And I joined ballroom dance club to feel more comfortable in holding and speaking! I might be gender nonconforming out of blissful obliviousness, and so mostly I didn’t do much to change. I met first girlfriend from a dance, and met her girlfriends too in a different friend circle than my male friends, and held hands with some of them too on long walks and talks. I didn’t know why I was different but learned of Myers-Briggs, INTP, fit me well, introvert-intuitive most strongly. I don’t think any age I’d be vulnerable to a trans identity, but I might have picked asexual in college, but no one asked why I didn’t date. Before puberty there were times I didn’t get haircuts and told I looked like a girl, but thought it was an insult. Later I saw pictures and agreed with assessment, but I still didn’t care. I thought jumping rope was a girls sport, so only did it in secret as a challenge, counts without a miss, forwards, backwards, count in a minute, etc. I won best male jump roper in field day 5th grade, and had to compete with girls too in 6th and won again. I wasn’t great, just cautious and focused. I knew boys were generally stronger, faster, noticed girls could arm wrestle well enough in 7th grade, but only boys after that. I went from skinny to stronger after 8th grade and a paper route. I never thought bad of girls, but just more male friends through high school. If I could have been a girl, I couldn’t imagine being any differently. I didn’t think about girls having a harder puberty. I live with my long time girlfriend now, but never had an impulse to be a father, and open fear of the idea, but I had a few friends with kids over the years to be adventure buddies with. Getting kids outside and into the woods is my primary skills. Nature has much wonder to see! I pity kids now, growing up in isolated lives online. I still don’t have a smart phone, just Wi-Fi iPad. Gender seems like a waste of energy, but I see I do struggle with stereotypes. I like idea of gender nonconformity, but I’d never wear a dress. Still, I prefer an androgynous look over facial hair or any strongly masculine presentation more than comfort. I have been misgendered at unexpected times just with bring myself, actually today at bike shop, referenced as a lady to someone else before leaving, wilder hair(?), just walking out with a new tire. I was more embarressed maybe in the past, but with transgenderism, I figure I have a duty to be gnc and still claim my sex. I mean if anyone asks. I ran a few races last year as non-binary, and tried an inconspicuous hairclips as my only feminine style offered, and I saw it did help my wild hair be a little more tame. I liked practical aspect. But I still don’t want to be teased or get attention on any style. It is a weird idea that strangers can’t always tell my sex. It hints maybe I am really different, maybe why I never felt a drive towards marriage. But I don’t want to be anyone else. I don’t see cross sex identification is good at all, just a curiosity, that despite our good instincts we can’t always tell. But what a horrible thing to only pretend you are something you are not! I am not as imposter male, but I see the word man feels repressive, and maybe I don’t like aspects of manhood. I try to be smart, and not be cruel. But I’m now cruel to reject gender identity as a false concept. Feminine male might be fine, but still needs courage. Mostly just be yourself. Do what works, and hopefully someone you like will like who you are too.

@DorianPaige00

2 ай бұрын

I take estrogen and have been castrated but happily present as male. Nature in your 20's and 30's leaves any ambiguousness about natal sex far behind. I wanted to stay a boy. Am I presenting as something that I'm not. Not really! I don't go down to the DMV and change my license. I do think the more traditional transgender people deserve accommodations but you can still be a non-conformer and I think most will be.

what if a "gender conforming", measurably "heterosexual" man seeks gay relationships and identify as gay just because he is AGP and that makes him feel "womanly"?

Stellar work Stella_

What a mess.

Obvs being gay can be measured physiologivally because it involves arousal , but feeling the opposite sex which doesnt invovle arousal, vant be. Hpw can uou say for certain that there isn't some physical change in their brain which has caused them to feel the opposite sex? It could still be a physiological difference, just one we cant measure. Maube not all. Im not saying this right, but, i just dont see how this can be ruled out

@slacktoryrecords4193

Ай бұрын

There may be something in the structure of the brain that causes a person to become fixated on the idea that they’re “really” the opposite sex somehow. But all that would mean, is that they have a perceptual disturbance in the brain. It doesn’t mean they are literally the opposite sex or that their brain is that of the opposite sex, because sex is not located in the brain-it’s a reproductive strategy, and it’s determined by the gametes one’s body produces. Everyone is either male or female. Trans-identifying people are not sexually ambiguous; they are clearly male or female. At any rate, these people who may have this theoretical perceptual disturbance in the brain are actually likely a small minority of currently trans-identifying people. Most trans-identifying people are 1) erotic cross-dressing heterosexual males, 2) effeminate gay men who experience a lot of either internal or external homophobia, and 3) young women and girls who want to escape the reality of their sexed bodies due to a combination of factors including but not limited to a history of abuse, autism, internalized homophobia, and other mental comorbidities. And all 3 of the aforementioned groups are subject to social contagion.

I don't understand what identity means. Traits about oneself are often markers of personality, aren't they? To me, identity sounds like it should be a broad general term, at least the way it's being used. "I identify as a woman." What does that mean? Woman to me is just a physical trait. It doesn't carry much about how I view a person as a person. If you want to identify as something, you (and the people it's being expressed to) need to be able to identify it.

so kind and insightful!

Brilliantly exposed!!! Funny fact: WHen you say "T" the translator understands "tea" and translates it in portuguese "chá". 🙂

One of the other reasons the Trans became included with LGB was it's criminal consequences. Now that has all decriminalised (in some countries) we don't have any more in common rights wise

Very interesting - Ty Stella.

Spot on... thank you

Why is it lgbT

I don't believe sexuality can be so concretely verified, at least not by showing people images. Many people especially women don't feel attraction visually, it's much more complicated. If I was tested in this way I'd probably be told I'm asexual, but I'm not, I just feel attracted to people on an emotional level rather than physical.

Being trans does not mean your gay . It has to do with sexual orientation. Trans has to do with gender ...but you can be homosexual and trans as well ..because gender and sexuality are linked .. If you read j Micheal bailey .. he mentioned transgender homosexuality .

Why “gay” and not “homosexual “

@rlb983

2 ай бұрын

The term "homosexual" was listed in psychological literature as a form of mental illness until the 1970s. When it was removed as such, homosexuals tried to distance themselves from the stigma of the term by encouraging the use of "gay", instead. (Though, I don't know the history of the term "gay" for homosexuals.) In recent years, gay people have begun using "homosexual" again to differentiate themselves from trans/nonbinary heterosexuals who have co-opted "gay" for themselves. Hope this helps.

@charlesbrown1365

2 ай бұрын

@@rlb983 yes need to call them “homosexual pride marches “ to be clear to youth what it is. “Gay “ means “happy .”

@Jace7310

Ай бұрын

@@rlb983 There are a lot of trans/nonbinary who are same sex attracted.

@slacktoryrecords4193

Ай бұрын

@@Jace7310That’s irrelevant, and as you should know, it’s highly confusing. A transman who is attracted to men (including gay men) is just a heterosexual female. Why would gay men want anything to do with her, sexually? What do they have in common with her? Even worse is the transwoman who identifies as a “lesbian”. Surely you can see how this is a problem for people who are not trans-identified but *really are* same-sex attracted?

@Jace7310

Ай бұрын

@@slacktoryrecords4193 I was responding to the person who said that gays are now calling themselves "homosexuals" to differentiate themselves from "trans/nonbinary heterosexuals". Do you want to be separate from all the gay trans/nonbinary too?

As 66 yead old transgender woman, i found this to be very generalized. You may want to flesh your ideas out more.

Couldn't disagree more. Unless you are trans or even gay you can not know what it is truly like. Of course, transpeople want to pair bond as much as any other group, and whether you believe it or not, there are ways to determine if a person is truly trans. The issue is, however, that the medical fraternity, due to woke pressure, allows people to self identify. Also, note that many trans individuals are also gay. It's not a helpful discussion, and like so many other gender critical vlogs fails to even attempt to understand the real issues.

@slacktoryrecords4193

Ай бұрын

What, pray tell, are the ways to determine if a person is “really trans”? Wanting people to treat you as the sex that you are not, has nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact, as you know well, there are AGP men who experience no dysphoria whatsoever but are just erotic cross-dressers(+) who identify as “lesbians”. They are not same-sex attracted. To the extent that there are trans-identifying people who really same sex attracted, yes of course there are but they are just homosexuals with an unhealthy case of internalized homophobia. So they trans away the gay. That’s no different from the “ex-gay movement,” except that, oddly, trans-identifying people who are actually homosexual are praised for their decision to cosmetically alter their bodies, and ex-gay people are largely vilified.

If you say it in a pretty accent, it sounds better. A few issues: First, the idea that trans is a "young person" thing; the first pro athlete who shifted to women's pro competitions was Renee Richards in the early 1970's. Second, "there are people who don't know what trans means" There is no reason to rewrite the community to suit them, which is the excuse given here. Own your own issues. Third, (6:00) there is no "scientific test" for being honest about being gay either. If you are reading someone's mind so you can tell them who they are, stop. It's rude, and you are not good at it. Fourth, if this is a security issue for you (6:30), feel free to self-examine. Nobody else can help you be "solid". The fact that your religion came into this is way too self-revealing. Fifth, the tired idea that someone doesn't exist because you never heard of them when you were coming up. I lived in an area, also Christian-dominated, where cultural wisdom said that gay people didn't exist because "I have ever met one". Same answer from 50 years ago: Yes, you have. You're just the kind of person people don't talk to about their personal lives because you think you are an omniscient mind reader. Sixth: This video opened with a paragraph about health care for gay people, including lobotomies, being controlled by people who are not the patients, and (14:00) goes on to advocate bystander-controlled health care for trans people. "It's ok if I say it can happen to someone else" is ... just no. So this video talks about trans people the way mainstream culture talked about gay people. Congrats on personal "solidity" and identity; it sounds very powerful. If trans people get out from under mainstream cultural control, there will be another minority group along, and your power will self-renew. Hang in there and don't despair.

@slacktoryrecords4193

Ай бұрын

A very convoluted and condescending response. Your counterpoints did not actually invalidate anything she says.

@intercat4907

Ай бұрын

@@slacktoryrecords4193 I didn't need fancy words and an artificially deepened voice to say what I meant; howzat for being condescending?

I disagree that trans is unrelated to lgb or that it's unrelated to their relationships with others. It's very connected to sexuality because it hugely affects their dating pool and I think a big reason people transition is to change who is attracted to them, e.g. girls who want to attract straight girls. They want to take on the role of the opposite sex in relationships. Gender expression is a subconscious way of sexually signalling, even if their sexuality isn't fully developed yet. I understand your opinion though and I appreciate your insightful and compassionate take.

@brendakelly6890

2 ай бұрын

I would suggest that it's related to sexuality, in that, young people are discovering and exploring who they are and their sexual identity is part of the whole person. It doesn't automatically follow that trans is related to LGB. I think Stella has described it very well. To state, as you did, that a reason for transition may be to change who is attracted to them, giving the example of a girl transing to attract straight girls, paints exactly why young people need therapy to explore the issues. Straight girls will not be attracted to another girl because she identifies as a man. As Stella stated, young people thinking of transitioning will not be fully aware of all the multitude of ways it will impact their life, and it may well significantly reduce their chances of finding their ideal partner.

That’s a very tiny part of the history. Homosexual men have been a privileged group in Western Civilization since Ancient Greece right through the present in performing arts , Catholic priests , academic dons .

@rlb983

2 ай бұрын

I think you'll need to clarify what you mean by "privileged". Gay men comprise 2% of the population and 20% of all hate crime victims. Seems you're focused on a certain privileged class of gay men, and they're not privileged because they're gay.

@charlesbrown1365

2 ай бұрын

@@rlb983 yes they have been privileged since they are homosexual. They get jobs because there are homosexual bosses , who are privileged as bosses . The absolute number of hate crimes is not that high . Vast majority are not subject to hate crimes.

By any other name just a homosexual

Stella, as always, uses gentle and reasonable language to explain the truth. Gay and trans are almost polar opposites. They should not be linked.

@susanhill833

2 ай бұрын

She is in error about transgender people

@slacktoryrecords4193

Ай бұрын

@@susanhill833what did she get wrong?

Stop trying to justify your own sin

@rlb983

2 ай бұрын

Take it easy, Mary.