Something that might surprise many: in ancient China, homosexuality was more often than not thought of as no big deal. Imperial court officials and even members of the emperor's family were openly homosexual. It wasn't until Western influence in the 19th and 20th Centuries that homosexuality became frowned upon en masse.

@maymay5600

4 жыл бұрын

but here's the thing, the romans did it and also the greeks as well

@compashinpei

4 жыл бұрын

Japan as well

@trungduong4040

4 жыл бұрын

@@maymay5600 I guess the Romans and Greeks were not following Christianity back then.

@maymay5600

4 жыл бұрын

@@trungduong4040 they were their own thing

@mochiyeosang1908

4 жыл бұрын

@@trungduong4040 uh duh? the greek and roman empires were before jesus was born, the roman being a few hundred years old when he was. you can be religious and still be a terrible person, and you can be religious and be someone who supports and loves ALL people unconditionally, no matter of background, no matter of race, no matter of culture, no matter of religion, no matter of sexuality, no matter of gender identity. love thy neighbor, the bible says. i was raised in a christian household, am religious, and bisexual. unless i'm misinterperating your comment.

I love that the father, as volunteer counselor told the other parents they have to support their children because the whole society is already against them. Respect to that father.

@twnb7733

4 жыл бұрын

The Sodomy is the last sign before the complete destruction of a civilization.

@denisarsenault505

4 жыл бұрын

@@twnb7733 It's what people do outside their bedroom in the public arena that will destroy human civilization if it ever comes to that. What they do in their bedrooms, behind closed doors will have little to no impact...

@twnb7733

4 жыл бұрын

Denis Arsenault You means that you can be an animal inside, but human outside ?

@LMae-zh8lc

4 жыл бұрын

twn B With abortion population control and everything going on stupid heterosexual people like you think that homosexuality ganna kill everybody. Besides over 100 species show homosexual traits but yet still exist.

@leedaniels7196

3 жыл бұрын

@@LMae-zh8lc Thank you!.😎✌️

So Australia only legalized gay marriage at the end of 2017, and then immediately started accusing others of not passing it.

@linlouis8033

5 жыл бұрын

Its not about marriage.they don’t even have basic human rights

@moonmissy

5 жыл бұрын

The good thing about living in a democratic country is that you can actually take the government to court and win. Canada wouldn’t have its same sex marriage if a couple didn’t take the government to the Supreme Court. Luckily they didn’t need to pay legal fees because one member of the couple was a lawyer.

@marcbachelet2322

5 жыл бұрын

The West is full of gay people and they think they can beat Russia and China. What a joke.

@marcbachelet2322

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not very interested in the "facts" from your fantastic dreamland.

@DollFacePeter

5 жыл бұрын

m8 even before same sex marriage was legalised in 2017, gay rights in australia still ranked as one of the top in the world. and i would guess that the reason why it took us so long to legislate it was because civil unions provided same sex with almost all of the rights married couples had, such the difference boiled down to a label - such that there was never a real *need* for it

It's sad for me to think that just a few years ago I was among those advocating against same-sex marriage. A typical conservative straight white male. That was until I met a transgender girl in 2017 who made me question everything I had believed in, which ultimately led me to meeting the love of my life in 2018, who's also transgender, and is now my fiance.

@jbak87

5 жыл бұрын

Tell me more about it, your transgender journey.

@danavipuzzles7308

5 жыл бұрын

@@jbak87 Hi, I'm not transgender myself, but my fiance is. Before 2017 I used to be very outspoken against all matters of LGBT and I never would have imagined that someday I'd be engaged to a transgender girl. I'm very happy though that I came to the realizations that I did and had the change of heart that I did, because now with her in my life I'm the happiest I've been in a long time.

@jbak87

5 жыл бұрын

@@danavipuzzles7308 How old are you?

@danavipuzzles7308

5 жыл бұрын

@@jbak87 I'm 33. I was 31 when my perspective began to change.

@jbak87

5 жыл бұрын

@@danavipuzzles7308 I meant, how did you meet your fiancee?

Funny thing, no chinnese traditional religion or philosophy ever condemend homosexuality. So homophobia is another "nice" western import

@queertales

5 жыл бұрын

This applies to many homophobic places today. Their homophobia stems from old colonialism laws and 19th century European puritanism. It's sad that some of these places attacks gays today, claiming homosexuality is an evil western influence, when it's actually their homophobia they got from the west.

@chrisnicholls2558

5 жыл бұрын

Vulpes Inculta even the West wasn’t homophobic until religion, like Christianity

@Lou31510

5 жыл бұрын

great point!.

@blackmould

5 жыл бұрын

Forreal!!! There are multiple accounts of queer people in Ancient Chinese art/poems (my favourite is a story of a prince was asleep with his lover and had been awaken to take care of some business. Instead of waking up his lover who was sleeping on his sleeve, he cuts his sleeve off)

@vulpesinculta6357

5 жыл бұрын

@@blackmould That prince was the emperor of china during the han dynasty. And its called passion of the cut sleeve. There are similar stories in the west, with roman emperor Hadrian and his lovet Antonious.

The crying illiterate mother broke my heart. These couples are so beautiful. Also... Shanghai looks EXPENSIVE.

@botlol6818

4 жыл бұрын

Didn’t ask, don’t care

@botlol6818

4 жыл бұрын

sinnerandprejudice yo, who asked doe?

@Waste-Water-Management

4 жыл бұрын

@@botlol6818 The original commenter sadly does not care for your existence.

@foolifisher

4 жыл бұрын

She's amazing.

@raynirvana2135

4 жыл бұрын

I live inShanghai and yes, its EXPENSIVE!

I'm from China and I came out to my parents 2 years ago. At first they felt sad but now they are accepting it because as long as we are happy, gender doesnt matter that much. I am blessed that my parents can finally think this way and accept me as who I am. Things are getting better and better in China, we need not rush it. At least I dont expect everything can change from 0 to 1 immediately. The process is long but we can see the improvement. There are so many other countries in the world where being gay is illegal or even felony - some of them will be sentenced to death. I feel sorry for them.

@jordandavis6709

5 жыл бұрын

Kieran XX 加油💪

@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj

5 жыл бұрын

Kieran XX Glad that your parents are accepting now. My cousin is gay, has a boyfriend and came out and my aunt and uncle accepted as they love him regardless. I gave him my blessings and full support and he and his boyfriend were so happy. Love is love and should not matter.

@savantianprince

4 жыл бұрын

I am very happy for you. Hope you live a very happy life.

@dannie3354

4 жыл бұрын

you are pretty positive.. but that wont' help with any progress, and in China you have no control over such things but only hope for the mercy of the party. And do you really wanna compare China with the most conservative Muslim States?

@hammydammy123

4 жыл бұрын

I thought you said “I’m from China and I came out my parents two years ago” and I was so confused lmaooooo

Bless these parents who accept their children as they are in the face of enormous conservatism. They are heroic.

@t_0246

4 жыл бұрын

Homophobia ≠ conservatism

@ekay4495

4 жыл бұрын

@@t_0246 Almost the same thing... Look at all conservative/right wing parties around the world, not hard to draw that conclusion.

@t_0246

4 жыл бұрын

@@ekay4495 don't make unnecessary things meaningful.

@t_0246

4 жыл бұрын

@@ekay4495 you're only claiming that all conservatives are homophobic and you're asking me to look at them? Do you not even look at conservatives yourself for at least an hour?

@t_0246

4 жыл бұрын

China isn't conservative

As someone whose Chinese and Bisexual, I applaud these couples for being brave enough to come out to their parents.

@KIMJUNGEUNism

5 жыл бұрын

Being bisexual is a little tricky. Do you, or will you, choose marry the opposite sex or someone of the same sex? Ideally, as a bisexual, you should feel free to marry the one you love most, male or female, but in reality, choosing the opposite sex as the partner may give others and yourself an impression that you're implicitly forced to do so due to social pressure. Yes, choosing a partner of the same sex is brave for the bisexual but sometimes you may not be sure if you doing so is out of true love or just a show of protest.

@mosesyang4222

5 жыл бұрын

bisexuality is fake

@tingjiang5387

5 жыл бұрын

I’m bi but I married the same gender. Just depends who I met at the right moment. Genitals don’t matter as much as the souls.

@KIMJUNGEUNism

5 жыл бұрын

@@mosesyang4222 Interesting, This is a strong claim. Do you have any empirical evidence/study supporting your claim? I'd be happy to learn if you could provide any.

@KIMJUNGEUNism

5 жыл бұрын

@Paul Adonia First, I self-identify as bi so I'm confused where your anger comes from. I only speak of my personal experience. 2. I'm Korean, so I don't see why you're assuming I'm Chinese and impose on me your condescending opinions? Perhaps because you already subscribe to racial stereotypes about the Chinese? 3. I think by rendering blatant your shameful discriminations against the Chinese and also against straight people you're revealing your true face as a poor, simplistic and arrogant kind of soul. You have my full sympathy.

As Taiwan has now passed marriage equality into law, it should prove interesting to see what impact and influence that legislation will have on mainland China, as well as on Singapore, South Korea, Japan and Thailand.

@ianlaguit9782

5 жыл бұрын

Include the Philippines on this..lots of love

@RCSVirginia

4 жыл бұрын

@@ianlaguit9782 This would be a good time for gay groups in the Philippines to lobby for gay rights and gay marriage. They could cite Taiwan, a prosperous and well-off country, as an example to follow.

@user-vo9vz5hn4v

4 жыл бұрын

@@RCSVirginia isnt taiwn part of china?

@botlol6818

4 жыл бұрын

Didn’t ask, don’t care

@JERTHITA

4 жыл бұрын

Why? Im sick and tired of people like you looking to have other nations follow beliefs and change lifestyle around for a small margin. But if they dont you go and bully them into change! The very thing gays spoke out against they have become leaders of doing... Bullies! You wanna be gay than fine but dont for us to like it

The speech by the illiterate mother at around 16:00 literally had me in tears. Love is truly an act of courage.

@annalima7166

4 жыл бұрын

I'm crying too. You don't need education or money to love your child

@anavailablehandle

4 жыл бұрын

why?? she misgendered him the entire time

@NY_LA

4 жыл бұрын

@@anavailablehandle Poor Take-The Intention to Support and Love was there and she clearly is still learning how to be as supportive as possible. This was an unnecessary distinction from what I said.

@anavailablehandle

4 жыл бұрын

@@NY_LA as a trans guy it'd all be null and void for me. just speaking personally

@NY_LA

4 жыл бұрын

@@anavailablehandle You are entitled to feel that way personally, and the people in your life will have to deal with that. But I disagree in a broad sense, this is a woman with absolutely 0 understanding of this process doing her best to love her child loudly and confidently. All on a surprise trip with a multitude of strangers. We don't even know if the conversation was had with this woman about pronouns. It's also probable that she doesn't considering she can not read and is very poor. A step forward, hand in hand with the person you love, is better than no step at all. People won't always get it 100% right, but that's life. I think the moment between them, the acceptance she gave, the honesty and authenticity she presented in speaking about the love for her child no matter how they identify was beautiful.

I don't pretend to understand gays but I do not dictate or get self righteous to tell another loving feeling human beings who they should love or choose to spend their life with. I have grown children, if ever they introduce their partner my first question would be " does he or she make you happy?"

@henryheller424

5 жыл бұрын

Coming from a gay here, as long as you don't impose on other people's rights, you are free to not understand gays or even approve of it.

@constancezigman9558

4 жыл бұрын

These gays have no fear of God They are not concerned about their souls burning in the Lake of fire as pastor jennings says homosexuality is an abomination to God God bless them

@NutnRoll

4 жыл бұрын

Which part do you not understand?

@MrMetalWarlock

4 жыл бұрын

+Jea H so are u ok if your daughter/son marrying and making love with your wife/husband? As long as they happy isn't it?

@NutnRoll

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrMetalWarlock Your logic is flawed and you should stop using it if you're genuine. Let me tell you why. Homosexuality is one thing, incest is another, don't mix them up. They are two different matters. With that logic of yours, killing and eating animals are no different from killing and eating humans. Do you think people who eat animals have no problem eating humans? Of course not. Then why do you think people who have no problem with gay marriage also have no problem with incest? That's double standard.

Western countries that now have laws for LGBT rights and protections have been going through the same developments as those now taking place in China. Fake marriages, hidden identities, rejections by one's own parents and relatives were, have been and still are common. The improved situation in the West is still recent and the social stigma has not disappeared but is very much alive even in bigger cities. LGBT people can now follow their identities more freely and their rights are better protected but conservative ideas, discriminations, homophobia, fear of violence, hate talk, conversion therapies etc. still exist and in come cases have even increased, maybe due to more visibility of the LGBT people. So China may lag behind in this matter but the situation is far from perfect in Western countries. Nothing can be taken for granted and there's still lots of work left to do.

@gaviriak

2 жыл бұрын

I AGREE WITH YOU 100% I'm from Colombia in south america and even tho the country has Same sex marriage since 2016. Gay people are murdered every single day in the streets. A Law doesn't change the people as western people thinks i feel safer in China even tho Gay marriage is not legal.

@gaviriak

2 жыл бұрын

I AGREE WITH YOU 100% I'm from Colombia in south america and even tho the country has Same sex marriage since 2016. Gay people are murdered every single day in the streets. A Law doesn't change the people as western people thinks i feel safer in China even tho Gay marriage is not legal.

They can’t own a home or adopt a child...omfg 🤦‍♀️ there are so many orphans who need a loving and stable home who cares if both parents happen to be of the same sex 😫 my heart breaks for them...hope things can get better soon

@opie1kanobie

4 жыл бұрын

There's a very large group of those who care that a child would grow up with severe social and spiritual problems from a confused situation like that...that's who cares. Not to mention a God who calls it an abomination. Additionally, we care that the couple is outside of God's very clear laws, and hope they see the truth and follow it. God loves them enough not to see them go to eternal damnation for their refusal to follow His laws that He alone set up and will judge everyone by.

@alefecarvalho8554

4 жыл бұрын

@@opie1kanobie ok so yeah that would be a valid argument if god existed. also, same sex couples dont abandon kids like many heterosexual couples do. thats why there are so many orphan children

@opie1kanobie

4 жыл бұрын

Álefe Carvalho - It takes a lot of faith to believe God doesn’t exist. All you have to do is look at nature, and creation and all of the earths systems… You know science, logic, reason, etc.…People abandoning children has nothing to do with homosexuality or heterosexuality… Last time I checked, homosexuals cannot have children, therefore I don’t exactly think they would be abandoning something that they cannot create.

@alefecarvalho8554

4 жыл бұрын

@@opie1kanobie ​ Mark i dont see how looking at nature is a valid proof that god exists. gay people dont abandon children because they know how hard it is to get them. maybe some heterosexual couples should learn a thing or two with them.

@opie1kanobie

4 жыл бұрын

Álefe Carvalho - sure, heterosexual people should do better at taking care of their children and not “abandoned them“ as you say but that doesn’t mean gay people are better at handling children. They can’t abandon their children because they cannot have any of their own children the last time I checked. The non-abandonment of someone else’s children is just a fantasy World of thinking that it could somehow be normal or natural. And yes if you look at nature, you will see massive amounts of complexity all pointing to a creator/designer. If you believe there is no God, you have more faith and believing that then Christians do and believing that there is a God. You know those pesky facts like this massive planet in this massive universe being an inch closer to the sun and it’s toast, an inch further away from the Sun and it’s an iceberg like the planet Hoth. And other complexities such as the human eyeball, the relationship between plants air the sun and photosynthesis, mathematics, physics, engineering… The odds of all of those systems and knowledge and intelligence all coming together by chance is much greater than a tornado ripping through a junkyard and assembling an operable 747 airplane, with perfect paint job and all. So it’s sheer fantasy to believe that there is no God. It’s OK, you can talk to him about it when you get there after you die. We all will have that chance. And we all will confessed that he is God.

So, as per usual, if you have $$$ you're fine.

@jimcarr6586

4 жыл бұрын

crv hi, just curious. base on bible study is this trend encourage? They can’t born baby and how about HIV transmission from ?? Secure? Positive action??

@mina829ag

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimcarr6586 what

@blackpyxy9583

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimcarr6586 a trend?

@bruh949

3 жыл бұрын

Well China are communist, they lie about helping people with money, then steal peoples money, and only let those left with it if so anyone enjoy very little

@crystalsnow9069

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimcarr6586 some woman and men also can‘t get children, should they not be able to get married?

Ignore everyone else and just love and support your child. Be a loving and kind parent.

@Light-jo9lp

5 жыл бұрын

And hope somehow you can get to see your grandchildren. Biological one. 😊

@corrodedmirror2185

5 жыл бұрын

Uhhh..? Surrogacy and IVF exist.

@Light-jo9lp

5 жыл бұрын

@@corrodedmirror2185 yeah who said it doesn't exist

@Light-jo9lp

5 жыл бұрын

@CHARMAINE OLAC haha... 😂😂😂

@A_Very_FunnyJoke

5 жыл бұрын

sang purnama Why do biological grandchildren even matter? If you don’t want kids so what

Deeply moving. It’s also very interesting since “he” and “she” are pronounced the same but written with a different radical: 他 or 她. I think attitudes in China are changing, but there is a difference in expectation for people in rural or farming areas. Also the one child policy puts pressure on the child to do well. I really loved the scenes with the family counseling, I felt like those were sympathetic but appealing to Jesse’s parents’ parental responsibilities. What do we owe our children? To grow in the sunshine. But also you cannot change someone’s beliefs so quickly. The disappointment will hurt the child, but it is a reality. I hope there will be more acceptance soon

It's weird that China isn't more open about homosexuals when there's a severe lack of wives in the mainland... :o

@fusedart

4 жыл бұрын

irreverent. people dont turn gay just because they couldn't find wife.

@LOVE..Sherelle

4 жыл бұрын

you do realise homosexuality doesn't only exist among males??

@emwatchesthings

4 жыл бұрын

LOVE4everSher sappho would be dissapointed to anyone who thinks otherwise

@henderajoshua6745

3 жыл бұрын

are you saying it's a choice?

@cogitoergosum9069

2 жыл бұрын

r/whoosh to everyone above me except @em

Even I got dysphoric when Jesse's parents said "she's my daughter"

@t_0246

4 жыл бұрын

What

@asdfghjklqwertyuiop4856

3 жыл бұрын

@@t_0246 what do u mean what

A lesson to all human beings. Just love. Come on man. Anger and hate is exhausting. Just let people love. If you're not gay you dont have to understand if or be gay yourself. Just love.

@Mari-hb5do

5 жыл бұрын

Drew 2C love comes in all forms, and we should celebrate it. love is love.

@SuV33358

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@ikb8373

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂...if you don't understand gay marriage...just laugh 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Sometimes I take for granted how privileged I am to live in the US. Even though some members of my family don't accept me I still have the same rights as a straight person under the law. I hope one day acceptance is universal this breaks my heart.

@1c2h3e4u5n6g

4 жыл бұрын

There will always be small minded people, acceptance will become more common but never universal. For what it’s worth, I accept you for who you are, I’m heterosexual and your orientation is just as natural and valid as mine. 🌈

@gaviriak

2 жыл бұрын

Privileged as the Gay people in Orlando? Or stonewall? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Or as many others who dies every single day by homophobic atacks?

@littlechris3275

2 жыл бұрын

@@riorio745 same for what? Can Chinese people openly say they are gay? what is the point making comparison between US and extremely conservative China？ Pointing out that there are some conservative parents in US don't accept gay people do not cover the fact that the majority of Chinese parents hate gay people. Besides that, it is definitely not easy for Chinese gay people to get married in Taiwan due to different Visa.

I hate how parents can’t accept who there children have become like you should love them not be against them

@hammydammy123

4 жыл бұрын

Said Eli Cueva Sava and people should be able to at least try to speak English...

@jjpepper7071

4 жыл бұрын

@Sunkissed Showers LPS they're in china

@tuoxie1235

4 жыл бұрын

Learn English

@bruh949

3 жыл бұрын

@@jjpepper7071 people in Hong Kong speak english

14:27 The father on the stage talking into the microphone should be a stand-up comedian! His son is evidently clever as well. Here is a more accurate and in-depth translation of his words: My son told me he's gay on Nov 1, 2016. I became quite angry at that moment. There was rage burning inside of me. We talked for two hours and I smoked five packs of cigarettes. I only used the lighter once for the first cigarette. Just one cigarette after another, non-stop. I said to him: "there is no other way but for you to change." He replied: "The bent can't be straight, and the straight can't be bent." Wow, that word, the first time I had ever heard of it! I asked him have you forgotten what industry your dad works in? The Steel Industry! I can weld (bend) any bent steel straight! He replied to me: "I am made of steel, and I can be bent but never broken!" The son's last reply is so important in my opinion and I didn't see it translated in the subtitles. The father had actually quoted ”I can be broken but never bent", which is a common Chinese four-character slang to express strong will and the idea of not giving in, thus someone would rather be hurt and broken, be snapped in half like a rigid piece of chalk, than bend over their body to give in, like a piece of soft bamboo. It certainly works this way as well if that's indeed what the son had said. However, I found based on the context, the son might have switched "broken" and "bent" so that he might be bent (be gay) but he would never be broken by whatever forceful external means. Coincidentally, the son followed his father's reference to steel and claimed that he's made of steel. While steel is often considered tough and strong, it's largely used for its elasticity and plasticity. It is totally on point that steel can be easily bent but very hard to break! I don't know if I have over-analyzed his words, but I'd like to think there was some powerful wordplay.

@alacrity7591

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for that more in-depth translation. There's no such thing as "over"-analyzing something for me!

@michinirakuen

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this!

@malin9941

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

If you're Asian or from conservative family, only come out when you independent. Just bear it until then. Good luck 👍

@ConnorGibbsAK

5 жыл бұрын

Eh, I don't know much about the Asian culture, but its very stereotypical to believe that conservatives will disapprove of homosexuals. In fact, in America at least, it's one of the biggest lies of liberal news media and it's caused horrible harassment towards conservatives who don't deserve it at all. I grew up in Texas, I am gay. I never met a single person who caused me any discomfort or harassed me for it. I wasn't open to anyone until I was about 15, but still, 3 years more of living there and no one harassed me. My best friend is a devout Christian, who lives his life by the Bible, who is one of those Texans that Liberals assume will shoot a black dude. That's not the case at all, and the fact of the matter is NO ONE is like that. When I told him, he said he doesn't like the idea of me being gay, and he went on a religious rant, but he ended it with a whole "But you are a brother to me, and God forgives", etc... He is one of the most conservative people I know and HE doesn't even hate gays. Not a single person I know does. I know many who don't agree with it, and probably wouldn't support it as a bill, but I know not one person who would harass you, try to change you, or exclude you from things for it. The entire philosophy behind being "conservative" is to adopt new ideas, but keep the ones you know there too. It's a way to hold your values while integrating with new ones. But liberals have this idea that "conservative" means hate hate hate. The fact of the matter is that statistically, and in practice, there are more extreme liberals who hate on people, than there are conservatives who hate on people. How do I know this? I grew up in the deep south, and lived in San Diego and Hoboken, NJ as well on my own. Its just the truth. The side that says that conservatives hate everything, is actually the side that hates everything. You can watch all these videos online of conservatives saying "I'd be open to having a nice debate, as long as it's civil. I'd be friends with a liberal yea, I just don't want to be forced into beliefs", where then they ask the same questions to a liberal and they say "no I would never be friends with a conservative. They're horrible and nazis". Going back to what I said above, being conservative is entirely about adopting new values while keeping your own. If you've ever been cooking; have you ever heard someone say "Be liberal with the salt"? That means add a lot of it to where it may be overpowering. Ever heard "Be conservative with the salt"? That means add a bit so you have the flavor but it doesn't cover up everything else as well. That's how you should look at politics in general. Conservatives want to adopt new flavors, while keeping some of their own and integrating them. The Liberals want to add their flavors to the matter to top the old flavors. In some aspects the conservative idea is the best, in some the liberal idea is the best. But even when it comes to homosexuality, its best to adopt the conservative approach. Because its A. a smoother transition instead of it just popping up in a minute, B. it causes much less outrage from other people because they know what they want is finally accepted (i.e homosexuality), but it gives people time to adjust, and C. it allows everyone to have their own beliefs saved at the same time. Would you like it if change just hit you in the face, or would you rather it gradually arrive? That's the conservative philosophy. So back to the main point given the bit of history I provided, you see now why people being "Conservative" is by NO means a way of saying "unwilling to accept new values and are full of hate" like liberal media says. That's arguably how it is with liberals actually. The unwillingness to accept the some people still have their own values and they don't want to change their entire lifestyle in a second, which is natural as humans. I wish people would stop harassing conservatives by highlighting stereotypes. It has put my family in danger since they don't live in Texas in anymore, because people hear they are conservative and they threaten them. My mother has a cross sticker on her rear bumper, her car has been vadalized at the King Soopers many times, as well as my father's Jeep being shot at - funny since they now live in a hugely gun strict city. But my parents have never once said anything bad to any liberal let alone shoot at them for a cross sticker on a bumper and then call them nazis. And if anyone tries to counter argue this with me, I want to emphasize what I said above, that I have experience in not only the deep south - where I grew up - but also in extremely blue North. I am ready to debate anything I get thrown in the comments responding to this, but keep it civil please.

@irefusetogivemyname

4 жыл бұрын

@@ConnorGibbsAK thank you for your insightful comment. I don't really know if statistically the liberals happen to score higher on hate crimes than conservatives (a link to a source would go a long way), but I do actually kind of object to one of your other points, in which you touched on making change slow vs. fast regarding the acceptance of homosexuality. I first of all would like to know what exactly you mean by making changes "slow" regarding these issues, because if you're talking about legal endorsement of gay rights and changes in sex education I personally don't think slowing those down would make LGBT people's lives any easier at the moment. The reason why homophobia exists is because, as stated at the beginning of this video, a huge proportion of the global population is still hugely uneducated on how it works. Whether or not the elected government is conservative, these are issues that need to be tackled by ammending the education systems immediately to include a major change in the way sexuality is approached at schools. When it comes to legislation, the passing of bills and even constitutional reforms to protect the rights of LGBT people would definitely come a long way in handling hate crimes, bullying and oppression. Otherwise how long until people finally get fully recognised as human beings and not just "gays"? How many more people will have to be bullied, murdered and silenced over time? If you're specificially referring to generational culture and religion, though, that's another story. I'd appreciate you clarifying your points a little further.

@bruh949

3 жыл бұрын

Extremely RACIST COMMENT. “Asians” The communist party of China is not all of Asia, typical leftist, just like this shitty Marxist news source, blames conservatism as a problem which, is doubly about values of the past and using knowledge from the past, please don’t be racist and stop watching this crap news source Thank you

For those who are asking for subtitles. You can turn that on within setting.

Well gay marriage is not a crime anymore, it just doesn’t get acknowledged by law. But I believe that day will come son as the new generation rise to power

@directorlunchie2322

5 жыл бұрын

that day will never come! look at how a feminist club been oppressed lately? those girls are locked up for speaking up in public against extreme patriachy and forced marraige view in China. those ladies are in their late 30s, do you see a WOMAN in the communist party?

@directorlunchie2322

5 жыл бұрын

China is a hypocritical country, you speak Confucianism morality, shames women for not being married, not having children, while the country had the largest FORCE ABORTION number in the world, between the 1980s to present, One child policy is UNNATURAL, so don't speak about MORAL, Virtues to the world, it's hypocritical.

@wyw201

5 жыл бұрын

Director Lunchie That view is pretty outdated now, there have been rapid social changes since the country opened up in the 80s

@sunnydaysddt2068

4 жыл бұрын

@@directorlunchie2322 people are ridiculous, complaining there are too many people in China and one child policy at the same time. China did right thing to control its population because it has no resource to support huge population back then.

@directorlunchie2322

4 жыл бұрын

@@sunnydaysddt2068 get lost! they have force abortion law. wtf do you know about how women are being forced to have abortion? you have no freedom of speech, you are being suvillience 24/7

I’m a Chinese parent. I don’t know why people bother objecting a natural quality like sexual orientation, it’s like objecting to the skin colour someone’s born with, it’s idiotic. Before we had kids my husband and I came to an easy, mutual decision that if one or more of our kids happen to be gay, we’ll love them unconditionally because they’re our kids, and we just want them to be happy. Our kids are too young for us to know their true sexual orientation, but whatever it is, they don’t need to worry about getting ignorant s*** from their parents, we love our babies ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

We stan that dad who was yelling at Jesse’s parents. He know what’s up.

Huang Mama, what a badass mom. Mad respect. Really encouraging to see the parents be open to talking about these difficult subjects. Stay strong my LGBT+ friends in China!

I object to the term "traditional values" to describe anti-gay sentiments in China. Traditionally, homosexuality was accepted - there were parts of China that had wedding rites for homosexual couples, and there was even a term for a male "daughter-in-law". Lesbian couples could adopt children. It was the advent of Christianity that brought about intolerance. So much for western freedom.

for people who keep asking for English subtitles please turn on the CC button. thank you

@ShoeBooty860

4 жыл бұрын

Or for those who find it impossible to listen to this odious language turn the volume down and hit the cc button.

@lenl8004

4 жыл бұрын

Luigi Vampa bro Mandarin is beautiful wtf u talking bout

@ShoeBooty860

4 жыл бұрын

@@lenl8004 It's awful and it's annoying. French, Spanish, Italian and Russian are all beautiful.

@lenl8004

4 жыл бұрын

Luigi Vampa idk what ur talking about every language is great

@ShoeBooty860

4 жыл бұрын

@@lenl8004 People who speak Mandarin sound like they're in pain. Mandarin sounds like a percussion instrument while the romance languages are beautiful like the piano and violin.

Apparently being gay was normal in ancient China. Idk why it isn't normal anymore though

@melize7035

5 жыл бұрын

Humanity going backwards

@dmtproduktionen5500

5 жыл бұрын

America

@rhbustos4878

5 жыл бұрын

Confucianism... And it's ideals of nuclear family.

@rhbustos4878

5 жыл бұрын

Confucianism... And it's structures of how family is supposed to be. The power structures, the hierarchy, the idealism of it.

@bennysusanto5524

5 жыл бұрын

Who said that ? its not normal at all...

On what basis can the Chinese police justify arresting everyone on this ship for "immoral behaviour", such that the couples were forced to escape China in order to marry in International Waters? For police to arrest them, it would have to on the basis of a law they were breaking, but I am aware of no law in China that bans 800 LGBT+ people from going on a cruise to plight their troth.

@jowah360

4 жыл бұрын

you forget that china is a communist country....they can use whatever reason they want to justify their means.....they do NOT live in a democracy...!!!

I watched it all over again with the subtitles!! Loved it.. Congrats everyone xxx

In a country where the one child policy led to a disproportionate amount of men, of course you'd expect a larger than normal proportion of men to be gay.

So happy for these gays, Now I get to have all the Straight girls to myself.

@acgraphics1139

3 жыл бұрын

@Joey Carder not always

Salute to that consultant dad!!!! Wish all the parents in the world can be open minded like him.

.. parents who're willing to listen (to their kids & parents of other gay kids) have such courage - hats off to Jesse's parents..can be a long road to acceptance but so worth it 🙏🏽❤🇨🇦

I’m a crying happy mess. The couples featured were so adorable and strong and I wish them all the happiness and safety. It’s so important to hear the Chinese version of these conversations for me because I’m passionate about the topic but have no idea of how to share those ideas with my parents back home. Excellent little doc.

5:16...woah hold up wait that was dog food!? I thought it was a bowl of chicken noodle soup.

Even though Jesse's parents weren't really accepting, I'm glad that they went on the cruise. Hopefully it'll be the first step towards them questioning their beliefs towards LGBTQ+ people.

being whatever you want. as long as your lifestyle does not affect other people, then their opinions don't matter. Just go on and live your life.

@pansexualdickhaver6878

Жыл бұрын

@Robbie John I don’t think he meant it in an offensive way lol probably just didn’t know how to word it

I wanna be in love like that. Holding hands and hugging each other in the video.

@SuV33358

4 жыл бұрын

Me too! Im jealous

They been living tog for ten years! How old are they? They look 20

@nurlindafsihotang49

4 жыл бұрын

Asian for you. But it was only untill they hit 60s. Then suddenly the aging look hits us like a ton of bricks. :')

Where are subtitles?

@Sabrina45678

5 жыл бұрын

If you go to the closed captions and click on English it shows the translations

China is not deeply conservative, china havn't crminalized gay and lesbian people. I am shocked too , sometimes find out some American and European are very conservative, in turn of gay marriage and related issues.

@ScribblebytesWorldwide

5 жыл бұрын

From working with Chinese students I'd have to agree. Very open minded community. I used to ask them a lot of interesting questions to gauge anecdotal views feminism, gender etc. Very progressive.

Listening to the transgender guy get misgendered was giving me second-hand dysphoria. Lol.

@rachelw821

5 жыл бұрын

I caught that, but i noticed it coming from an old, uneducated and illiterate woman from a strictly conservative, tiny village...and it seemed like a genuine mistake, as she was saying how much she loves her son and stands by him. I prefer to look for where people are RIGHT, rather than wrong.

@DerpyPoint

5 жыл бұрын

Just to note, third-person pronouns in Mandarin are pronouced the same for both genders (albeit written differently), but perhaps there was clarification and reflects the conservativeness

@sincerelyeugene6638

5 жыл бұрын

Eh, not a big deal, just because he identifies as a male doesn't mean her mother is supposed to suddenly snap into that realization. She's considered her a DAUGHTER for decades, that's not something you suddenly just forget or assimilate to. I dislike people trying to force others to accept their perspectives/ identity so suddenly. It might take years.

@literal_trash_dwells_here2003

5 жыл бұрын

The Soulmate Experience I’m aware it takes time. No where did I say that I expected or that parents or anyone else around the person should automatically switch and be super accepting. All I really said is that it was giving me second-hand dysphoria because I understand what that’s like. I understand the transition for the person themself is just as much of a transition for those around them and a lot of things take time.

@lucad6649

5 жыл бұрын

You're dumb. "Ta" means he or she. Can't misgender in Chinese.

I live in Shanghai, some of my very close friends are LGBTQ members, and they live without worrying about people's judgements; however, they cannot officially being married, they cannot get social benefits normally awarded to heterosexual married couples...this is real problem they are facing now

@thanos1229

2 жыл бұрын

2 years later ,still the same?

Can we just talk about how incredibly moving it was seeing Duan and Lee balling their eyes out at their wedding? You can tell that meant so much to them and also how much they mean to each other.

I don't think Chinese government is conservative... Abortion for example, was never an issue in China. Problems with LGBTQ group in China, is that government does not know what to do with it, like what categorize as gay, or how should the marriage be managed. For people, they think that one must get married, have kids, buy house and car, that's the norm of life. And being gay is the opposite. But family issues aside, being gay on the street, nobody will throw stone at you, or burn you on a stick

@jordandavis6709

5 жыл бұрын

Junhai Yang it’s not necessarily as a government but more of a society issue. As someone who is a gay foreigner in China, I can tell that most of my gay friends in China are scared of coming out. Mainly due to family disappointment and “destroying the family name” but also open discrimination is still allowed in China mainland. There’s been many cases of people being fired from jobs of all sorts because of their sexual orientation. Now I do agree you won’t get attacked for the most part, that is if your not on a thread online plotting to kill you. But in terms of the younger generation no one really cares for the most part. Times for sure will change.

This makes me so happy. Was tearing up the whole time

To feel you're not your biological sex is not gay at all. It's transsexuality.

Wow, Im impressed byt the way the parents are openly talking about this in China. :o

To those who still don't know how to find the subtitles: click on the 'CC' button (it stands for closed captions)

what a great documentary!! As a gay American Born Chinese (ABC) it has always been difficult to navigate two very different cultures. To know what concepts of each culture feels right or feels wrong. And its amazing to see a documentary like this that leads me to believe that my relationship with my boyfriend doesn't have anything to do with these often two conflicting sides. It's just right and that's all there is to it.

It’s a great idea that families find out in this way rather than in private. I remember telling my mum and dad and my late dad struggled. Many people wouldn’t have a problem if it wasn’t for the perceived embarrassment and awkwardness.

Finally Found the closed caption now i have to watch it all over again😆

@lesliewhitney4346

5 жыл бұрын

Makeda Williams how??

Chinese proverb:"将心比心"is very important to all people in the world to easily understanding other people's lives nearly. But Malaysia still stubborn and never improve their view on lgbt rights.

@applebomb4091

5 жыл бұрын

Malaysia is an Islamic country.

@jefferyadin6546

5 жыл бұрын

I believed that there’s something beautiful as this ever happened & happening in Malaysia. Just that its never this scale and have this kind of publicity. As an Islam country, please refrain yourself to see lgbtq wedding in Msia tho. It is sad, i know.

As a Chinese, I personally support homosexual marriage, so do many of my friends. But for the older generations, this is not a subject they can suddenly comprehend and accept... Even in societies that are much more open about homosexuality, like America and France, I still met people who are denied by their family. Hopefully, things will change when the young generations become the mainstream of their society.

I was at the Shangai Pride in the M50 creativity district this year. It was very colourful and peaceful. People of all ages painted rainbows on their faces. Some were handing out flyers, sweets and stickers. The place was very crowded. In fact there is a huge LGBTQ+ community in Shanghai. However, most of the members are very rich and well educated. But for the rest, being gay is not that accepted which is really sad.

My mom disowned me haven't talked to her in 3 yrs...and we're from Connecticut

@natalieluders378

4 жыл бұрын

Oh honey thats terrible my daughters gay shes my life and heart i could never disown her . I except you love from Perth Western Australia

@Te3time

4 жыл бұрын

In America and the west in general there's more homophobia because of religion. In China most ppl aren't religious at all and there are no crazy ppl who scream about going to hell for homosexuality.

23:11 the guy giving the red cloth to the other guy that wanted it was so cute

As one of them. This is interesting doc. ^_^ ty for sharing. Hugsss for them. Love you all.

Why no subtitles for long periods of Chinese conversation?

@t33073

5 жыл бұрын

turn on closed captions :)

@ebonylamb4871

5 жыл бұрын

@@t33073 THX!! :)

@bernadettedevereux4489

5 жыл бұрын

@@t33073 how do I turn on closed captions

@jiamaono8044

4 жыл бұрын

If so curious, go n learn Chinese then.

Watching the marriage literally made me tear up.

God, this title is So misleading... " Deeply Conservative China", then Australia should be " Extremely open Australia"?

The list of things that they cannot do as gay people was mind boggling. Not being allowed to own a home? How ridiculous! Yes, the other stuff is outrageous, but I wasn’t shocked by the others as I was about the home ownership thing. Just damn.

This is so very touching. Thank you for this. Keep pushing and keep your vision steadfast. You have friends you never knew. It's disgusting that we, in the USA, are still struggling with acceptance... But we're not backing down, 'nor going away. Best from NYC. 🙏🏼🌞

We all have 1 life to play in this game of life. Select a character that you are happy with. Congrats all.

Why wasn’t this subtitled?? I was really interested in watching this, but when they speak Chinese, and because I’m American; I couldn’t understand ANYTHING!!

@---yk7rb

5 жыл бұрын

Select English Captioning the 3dots on the video

@estignatic

5 жыл бұрын

Push the CC button

I feel a little bad for laughing at 7:00 xD A lesbian couple where one of them is wearing a shirt that says "Dickies"

"do you love me/" ah bu dui " Will you marry me?" hahaha cutteee

The subtitles are usually about two sentences behind, and they're choppy. Fix that.

@sabinatsang

4 жыл бұрын

Just be glad there is subtitles

Where are the subtitles

@stellastevens790

5 жыл бұрын

If you press the three dots on the right hand corner then there should be a option to turn on subtitles

7:11 was that Emery from fresh off the boat?

@7:09 Could someone PLEASE tell me what the name of that song is? I want to listen to it bad.

19:00 那位哥哥說美國同性戀全國合法化， 事實上只是有一半的州可以結婚的 ，在中部的州還是不可以結婚的！

Love is love and so happy to see the LGBT community moving forward to promote understanding and support on same sex marriage in China ❤️👍🌈💪

Great documentary, so nice to see families sticking together and attempting to consider their sons/daughters feelings.

“Do you love me? Ah,bu dui... do you marry me? “ Lolll so sweet!

I seen them as normal as everyone else.

Such an insightful and heart-warming video into the lives of gay and lesbian couples in China

So touching!

Wonderful documentary and insight; what would have added immensely would have been sub-titles. A few of us aren't fluent in Chinese - our bad.

Great video! Lovely to see a community come together to make change in people's hearts.

How about Indonesia? Anyone knows how much conservative than other country?

@tiger007tiger

5 жыл бұрын

Meeehhh....in Indonesia??? Don't even think about that😁

Oh my gosh, this must be so frightening and take so much courage for these young people and for their parents to come out.

This video shows how the Kiwis would view the Aussies before Australian parliament passed the same sex marriage bill in 2017.

where is the “deeply conservative china” Lmao

@L5940

4 жыл бұрын

Back in the villages where traditions run very deep and children are incredibly important. The cruise ships has no such people aboard.

In Brazil is not different :(

@enzofagun2686

4 жыл бұрын

Teu cu

This is a saying I here from my mom all the time... “why do you care about what people say or think about you, they don’t pay your bills.” Why do the parents care what their neighbors or family’s have to say. That’s their child shouldn’t you only care about your child’s happiness and not someone else’s. I will never understand smh.

I can speak both Chinese and English so there is no problem for me to watch this; but for people who don’t speak Chinese, I think they can benefit greatly by having subtitles (translation)

@pansexualdickhaver6878

Жыл бұрын

Seriously lol

How are westerners supposed to understand without subtitles?

@rheajoy4039

5 жыл бұрын

I can’t see them either 🤷🏻‍♀️

@norrinradd1970

5 жыл бұрын

@@rheajoy4039 turn on close captions.

@jayfawn8478

5 жыл бұрын

Hey ppl press the c on corner lol

@celestialstation

5 жыл бұрын

Duolingo

@rexrad9735

5 жыл бұрын

@@norrinradd1970 hahaha. Oops! Thanks

Everyone has the Right to Love Who They Love.Stand Up

The part of this video showing the conference where parents and their children share their stories was the most beautiful part. The father talking about him working in the steel industry and making any piece of steel straight was funny. Then, the poor mother wanting nothing but happiness for her daughter. BEAUTIFUL!❤🏳️‍🌈❤

15:40 DID I JUST HEAR A CHINESE "DAD JOKE"?? 🤣🤣🤣

Oh my god that first couple is the cutest!!!

5:19 now im really see the problem

My heart goes out to everyone who’s in this struggle but we will overcome all obstacles and love and live Free. We’ve come this far and we still have a way to go but we will get there if we stand together🌹

15:46 What a wonderful mum. I'd wish my mum had ever been this way to me. Only once.