DUUUUDE this video is SO GOOD. In 84 I was 9. My brother was stationed in Japan in the Navy. When Transformers dropped in the US he would also send me toy mags and stuff from off base. I STILL HAVE MY ORIGINAL BATTLE CONVOY FROM JAPAN IN THE BOX. Thanks for the AWESOME memory flashback lol SUBSCRIBED.

@Bots_Obsession

Ай бұрын

dude that things probably worth a fortune

Ah, Diaclone. Your reboot is so good looking... and expensive.

Thanks for this. Always wanted to know more about Diaclone. This franchise is severely underrated

@neaosmt1562

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you also I really love the diaclone toys and the mini like the humans they're selling in the reboot the kind of just look like Halo characters and I really love their combining mix some of them remind me of like Force 5 Samba we're like getter robo

@neaosmt1562

3 жыл бұрын

I meant the robot romance Trilogy not Force 5

@neaosmt1562

3 жыл бұрын

I wish they would make a reboot diaclone anime like imagine and 2021a diaclone anime the Raiders versus the humans and their transforming bases and combining Mecca and everything

@kinnikuman-devilman_fan_2002

2 жыл бұрын

True, it's too bad nobody else knows that Diaclone came before Transformers G1 like they're all so focused on that US ripoff of Diaclone, thank goodness I preferred Beast Wars and Unicron Trilogy over G1 tho lmao XD

Thank you. No one talks about Diaclone... but that's basically the heart of Transformers.

I would love for a Diaclone cartoon series to come out, I would watch it

@Droyer22

3 жыл бұрын

If by cartoon you mean a western one I really doubt that would happen. An anime is slightly more likely but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

@budgiecat2885

3 жыл бұрын

@@Droyer22 the chance for that happening died long ago

@saturncrush

2 жыл бұрын

@@Droyer22 Did they make an old anime at all? I find that surprising.

@Droyer22

2 жыл бұрын

@@saturncrush They did not. While there were a couple manga in the 80s to advertise the toys there has never been a tv show, animated or otherwise.

@DennisTamayo

4 ай бұрын

@@Droyer22 Well, Takara Tomy (or just Tomy) would produce an anime series in the future.

Interesting video. A bit of additional information that links Diaclone (and Transformers as well) back to Hasbro and the GI Joe line; The pilots from the Diaclone vehicles were basically 1/3 scaled down versions of the earlier Micoman figures (sold in the US by Mego as Micronauts). The 3/34" scale Micronauts themselves were a 1/3 scaled down version of Henshin Cyborg, which Takara produced by using the molds from the original GI Joe figure from the '60s. Takara was the Asian marked licensee to produce GI Joe Figures for that marked, and has had a long partnership with Hasbro.

the reboot toys look absoletely insane! I can't imagine any toy being better that design. Like literally. They are bat shit expensive but there's a reason for that.

Thanks for this, it’s helpful in trying to predict what might get the sweet, sweet reboot attention next. I’m obsessed with these things now. And I have wondered for decades why my insect icons had cockpits!

I lived in Japan during the time of Disclone. My parents caught me the iconic first base robot. The damn thing was huge. oddly enough the only other toys I had were a couple of the dashers.

I think that many elements of the history of Diaclone are really fascinating, especially the fact that it was started by mecha designers instrumental to the second phase of the anime real robot revolution and that the toylines derived from those anime (especially Macross of which the Valkyries were later acquired by Takara's rival Bandai after the folding of Takatoku Toys) ended up eroding the sales of Diaclone. When Takara decided to kill the line and switch to the Transformers they also targeted a younger demographic (this is also show by the Japanese dubs which are simplified to the point of being almost suitable for toddlers) , mostly because the real robot niche by that point was too crowded.

A little late to watch this, but I'm really appreciate the effort you put in this. The new Diaclone toys made me want to learn its history, so your video was comprehensive and interesting. Thanks a lot.

Great video! I've known about the Diaclone line's ancestry to Transformers for a long time, but never the full history. But as I got back into collecting Transformers in 2018, I've found myself more and more impressed by the Japanese only toys and media. Your video has filled in one large gap for me. Subscribed, and I'm looking forward to the next part!

@Droyer22

3 жыл бұрын

If you're looking for more Transformers-adjacent Japanese media check out the Brave franchise. It was made after the G1 Transformers animes started becoming less popular to recapture that audience, and shares many concepts with Transformers.

This was such a great story!! I love being able to dive back into the old Diaclone franchise and this really made me want to sink my teeth into at least a couple of the new Diaclone figures as a homage! Brilliantly done and I’m looking forward to your follow-up video! 🤩🤩

Amazing work with this video mate! Very informative and well researched...thanks for this great retrospective.

Just stumbled upon this video, been a huge TF fan for a long time and this was fantastic. Great work!

Wow this is very informative! And a very well made video! Never knew Diaclone was the precursor franchise for the Transformers :D

@Droyer22

3 жыл бұрын

Well, more like a precursor franchise. I only touch upon it briefly in the video but Microman is the other big one. As a general rule, if it turns into a scaled down vehicle it's Diaclone, if it turns into a life-size object it's Microman.

Thank you for this. The new ones are absolutely amazingly AWESOME

Thank you so much for sharing all these informations and history about Diaclone toys. I'm 48 and i clearly remember these toys of my childhood. I miss them and i miss the micronauts toys too. There were interesting and well made toys at that time. This video should be watched by many of the nowadays transformers fans: they could comprehend the real genesis of the saga..

This is amazing thank you for updating my knowledge I've been searching for these types of details for years 🙏🏽

Great job explaining the history of Diaclone!

What a wonderful 15 minutes, I learnt a lot here, thanks for taking the time to make this.

Fantastic video!! Great work on such a magical series of toys.

Honda City R became Skids! 🤩

@Droyer22

3 жыл бұрын

I mention Skids later in the video. While the City R and the City Turbo are mostly recolors of each other, the Turbo has different guns. Skids has the exact same guns as the Turbo has, so I made the (reasonable IMO) assumption it was the Turbo that was brought over, not the R.

@diecastnorbz

3 жыл бұрын

@@Droyer22 I saw that you did mention Skids later on in your video, so no worries there! I did hand into your video till the very end and really loved hearing about how Diaclone came about and transitioned to Transformers in a way. I really do wish Hasbro and Takara would venture into bringing the new Diaclone sets into the US in retail stores, but I’m sure it would only be for the adult market of collectors.

Good work. Thanks for bring some insight into the world that helped give birth to the franchise

Also there was unauthorised film called Micro Teukgongdae Diatron 5 (Micro Commmando Diatron 5)[Space Transformers] which used Diaclone designs.

Your channel deserves more subs man. Your content is good

I always thought it was weird that Tracks just had wings and could fly. Makes more sense now.

The Honda City R did get used in Transformers eventually, becoming Crosscut, an e-HOBBY exclusive released in 2002.

Fantastic information! This is an awesome video, Droyer22!

Great vid man! The Diaclone line is very interesting. Specially love those old commercials!

I bought most of the Diaclone G1 transformers at Toys International in Century city mall in LA in the 80s well before the USA releases. They sold toys imported from Japan in the back. Bought across back there as well... blown away when I found sideswipe at Toys R us some time later. The disclone versions had little drivers!

thank you so very much for this video! it was enlightening as i ve never been into transformers and just discovered diaclone thanks to the video by takara tomy here on youtube. i am looking forward to your next video cause the reboot looks incredibly awesome!

@Droyer22

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for watching it! I am quite passionate about the reboot and I'm excited to share that passion.

Thanks for making this video. I had been seeing other Diaclone videos, and I am a Transformers fan from the beginning, however I dodn't know where they came from.

Well I sure never heard of diaclone before and growing up in the 90s with transformers i find diaclone a intriguing concept, and as its after Gundam and they carry some of the concept from it over I belive many fans could be found in the US for a series of diaclone

Thank for your helpful information!

Great video, very informative. Thanks!

Thank you for the story.

This is really good! Thksss

I se you are a Man of Culture using Hardcore Mecha OST as BGM.

☆素晴らしい編集力と知識と情熱をありがとう。玩具に国境は無い！

Excellent stuff

Spectacular video, brother. :) Very good. Congratulations from Brazil. And sorry, because my english is poor. ;)

Well done Sir!!

great video!

I wonder if the original backstory of a energy crisis which ends in new energy coming out of a volcano might have inspired the Transformers backstory

Good job man!

Thank you for this 👍

I had heard a rumor that the Combiners of 1985/86: Superion, Bruticus, Defensor, and Menasor, were all originally designed for Diaclone, but by then, Takara had a hit with Transformers, so they were released in that toyline. Have you heard of that?

@momihog

4 ай бұрын

The rumors are true.The combiner, released in 1985-1986, was originally intended to be marketed as Diaclone's "自在合体" (Limitless Combination) series. So was Metroplex, and the ability to connect Combiner's limbs to Metroplex in robot mode was a remnant of this.

I found this interesting as I only know about diaclone as a footnote in transformers history. I only learned about that the diaclone reboot when I saw a video for that ultra battle convoy. I would like to see part two to learn more about the 2016 reboot

@Droyer22

3 жыл бұрын

I'm working on it!

@unstoppableExodia

3 жыл бұрын

@@Droyer22 Excellent

13:40 most likely the reason the Helicopter double changer wasn't purchased is because its 2 forms are a direct copy of the M.A.S.K's leaders vehicle so they didn't want to have to deal with copyright issues

@Droyer22

3 жыл бұрын

M.A.S.K. started in 85 though, after the helicopter triple changer was released, and regardless both Transformers and M.A.S.K. are owned by Hasbro, so copyright wouldn't have been a problem.

@NovaSaber

3 жыл бұрын

@@Droyer22 M.A.S.K. was owned by Kenner, which wasn't acquired by Hasbro until 1991.

good timing man

Cool history. Was always wondering why ratchet looked the way he did

Why does the best channel ever have only 2 videos?!?!

@Droyer22

2 жыл бұрын

That's very kind of you to say. To answer your question there are a number of reasons, some better than others: I got Covid. The symptoms weren't serious and I'm alright now but I still get tired easier than before i got sick. I also struggle with depression so sometimes I have to make an effort to do anything at all really. For the less serious reasons there are too many good video games and animes coming out lol and I need to get better at managing my time. Sorry if this got too real but I felt you and anyone else reading this deserved an answer after more than a year of no new videos. Rest assured I haven't given up and I have the next episode written, it's going to come out.

@Exar_Kun

2 жыл бұрын

@@Droyer22 I absolutely understand and the fact you put so much love, care and effort into your work is incredibly inspiring my friend! I’m so happy your feeling better from Covid 19, it has definitely been a terrifying pandemic in so many ways! I also totally understand depression, It’s one of the worst things to deal with especially with all the baggage it comes with anxiety being the worst for me. Your a very bright and passionate person and I 10000% appreciate you being real! You def gotta a fan over here and I look forward to your future content and always remember the second something isn’t fun or you lose passion, don’t force yourself to do it! Don’t wanna see a bright young man like yourself get burned out!! Anyways thank you so much for responding and I’m so happy I found you through That 80’s transformers fan’s videos! He’s got both your vids on a playlist of his! Another incredible channel too!! Be well and happy my friend!!

Alot of these remind of the original transformers: Robots in disguise series.

Wow! This is really detailed, you should do a microman retrospective, also I happen to know that mego got the rights to this and released this line in America and called it diakron.

@budgiecat2885

3 жыл бұрын

that had to be super short lived. Mego went out of business soon after the 70's; 1983 in fact.

I had one of those robots as a kid and the three ships made a robot. Also there was a drug store selling them and robots that looked like Transformers but at half the price. There was Star Scream and the Sound Wave. I guess they was trying to get rid of old stock.

The Honda City R was recoloured blue and released as the transformer "Skids"

ayy hardcore mecha sound track nice

Di-a-clone!...

This Franchise is Huge, Great and Fucking Coolest my friends. Thanks.

Can you do a video about the plastic model kit ranges that were released by Disclone. In Australia they were more popular and easier to find on the stores than the toy versions.

Ok, about why helicopter type triple changer hasn't been imported, it could be becouse of how triple changers were marketed, as their advertisment talked about them being multiterrain, so robot that turns from one flying vechicle to another would seem less interesting than robot that can change into land and air vechicles, especially that some kids might not see a point in changing from helicopter to jet. Also, as toy itself wasn't imported, but it was used for design of three transformers in fiction: Fumes, Rotorbolt and Skykilk, and yes, all three of them are triple changers with jet and helicopter mode

Awesome! most know that TF originated from a Japanese toy line, but not many know which toy line, or the story behind it. this video expains it so much! I have to say, Hasbro did cherry-pick their robot designs well, even when comparing to the reboot. and seeing the design and realising it's made in the 80s astound me. p/s: just a side note, when referring to a time in past or present, the use of "this year" should be "that year" or "that very year" etc. "this year" typically used for the current year when the text is written/spoken, and it does confuse me a bit just now. otherwise..keep it up!

Helicopter type got wrapped up in Southern Cross chapters of ROBOTECH

@momihog

4 ай бұрын

Your comment made me chuckle. If you are saying that both are the same simply because they are robots that transform into helicopters, you are being too short sighted.

The Honda City R actually released way later as the character “Crosscut”.

I believe that Contach is pronounced as 'Con Tash' not 'Con Tack' as I heard it pronounced like that, Golion came after Diaclone a year later in 1981, M.A.S.K. wasn't made until 1985 by Kenner, so the transforming vehicles were just a coincidence, the Exkaiser 'Geisters' were only loosely based on the G1 Dinobots, in the show they combined with each other, which of course the Diaclone toys didn't do. Though it was odd that Hasbro would miss out on that one other Triple Changer, no doubt it would had become a Decepticon, unless Hasbro wanted a triple aerial changer for the Autobots. Though that character's design had been implemented into some forms of other Transformers media, mostly comics. No mention of the planned 'Jizai Gattai' line though that became the Special Teams. Other then those this was very informative. :)

@Droyer22

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I probably should have looked up how to pronounce Countach lol. As for MASK I should have been more clear: I know Diaclone came first and what I meant was that MASK may have been inspired by the change attackers, not the other way around. Also I don't believe I mention Golion at any point?

13:40 Probably because having two air modes would be pointless for a Triple-Changer in Hasbro's point of view

@saturncrush

2 жыл бұрын

It was crazy the instinct that Hasbro had in there import purchases. Such a fine line between victory and failure.

That's a great summary of the older Diaclone stuff. Any plans to get into the Microchange aspects?

@Droyer22

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not definitely gonna say no, but not for the foreseeable future. My plan is to move onto reviews of the new Diaclone stuff.

Diaclone is the real and original transformers west manages to grab japan art and begins to capitalized it just like what happened in power rangers(sentai) ,voltron(brave lion),robotech (macross) etc..

Love the Diaclone franchise, bummed out that even though I like the new Transformers lines like Beast Wars and RID 2001 more is that I'm the only one that likes Diaclone and Go-Bots more than Transformers G1 lol.

メガトロンはまだコミュニケーションが取れる相手だが ワルダー軍団は対話が不可能なおそるべき敵だ。

It would have been cool if they had made an anime or live action tokusatsu show on DIaclone (hmm actually anime; live action woulda been too costly) back in 1980 to coincide with the toyline but thats not typically how those shows went. They made the anime first then the toys after it afaik. Oh well.

Side note the "Red Honda City R" was released in the United States in Blue as "Skids"

Every car manufacturer with respect to itself, should have a Transformer of their new Cars ! Subaru Impreza is my favourite !

Connected by friendship as hard as a DIA-MOND and comradery as fierce as a CY-CLONE, humanity forms the DIACLONE core to fight the aliens. Now I get it....sort of. Better than CyMond I guess.

@0:42 Gundam wasn't a blockbuster when it first aired, mainly because it was due to low toy sales. Also, the giant robot series was platform for creator Yoshiyuki Tomino to tell war story that wasn't one-sided, as war films tend to that way. Gundam didn't become a success until the re-runs, as it was viewed by an older teen audience, since the series was aimed at that demographic. And I do believe giant robots were top sellers for toy companies like Poppy, starting with Go Nagai's Mazinger Z in 1971. Or to go back further, there was the wind-up toys for Gigantor and Astro Boy in the 60s. Still, great presentation!

@budgiecat2885

3 жыл бұрын

Tomino had already before Gundam dabbed in his "Kill em all Tomino" children in war stories with Zambot 3 ; though that one was a bit one sided for sur, but you saw traits of that none one-sidedeness in Voltes V which he produced.

@CosmoShidan

3 жыл бұрын

@@budgiecat2885 Actually, Zambot 3 is more like a traditional superhero mecha anime or Super Robot, where the superheroes are destined to fight evil. Gundam is a Real Robot anime, that started the sub-genre and while, there are traces of superhero aesthetics, from the Gundam's use of primary colors and the Zaku's use of secondary colors, as well as super robot plot clichés, such as the protagonist's father building the mech, a surprise attack from space invaders, and the pilot being 15-years-old, but Gundam diverges from the super robot, by tossing out the traditional motive such as revenge or pre-ordained destiny. The main character commandeers the Gundam out of necessity to live. Afterwards, he gets drafted and dehumanized and suffers PTSD. From there, Gundam becomes less of a superhero story and becomes a full-fledged war story in which the idea of sending a child to have to fight everyday of the week would be psychologically damaging. Hence, it's the ultimate deconstruction, if not the ultimate deathblow to super robots after Ideon.

@budgiecat2885

3 жыл бұрын

@@CosmoShidan I know the difference between super robot and real robot; my point in bringing up Zambot 3 was it was Tomino's first forray into the theme of kids being thrown into war and sacrificed as there were a lot of deaths on that show more than past robot shows. Zambot 3 had men women and child prisoners who were released by the aliens but being implanted with remote control detonation bombs inside them to unwillingly destroy other humans around them. The 3 main pilots of Zambot 3 were children and two of them died by the end of the show. In that sense, despite being a heroic super robot show on the surface (like Tomino's Brave Raideen from 1975, his first mecha work), Zambot 3 was a very dark show with very serious themes of war and many grey area storytelling, despite its super robot exterior and often whimsical moments. it was very much a subverted expectations show in the end. I believe it was THIS show that further inspired Tomino to write Gundam the way that he did.

@CosmoShidan

3 жыл бұрын

@@budgiecat2885 I don't really see Zambot 3 as a war story, as in the end, it turned out that the public was right that the Jun family was responsible for bringing the Gaizok to earth. If the story is one-sided, it's not so much an anti-war take. I mean, Gundam basically showed that there heroes on both sides, as well as corrupt and brutal officials, not to mention that there is an implied anti-capitalist message as well as an oblivious anti-fascist message in which it can be argued that both are two sides of the same coin in their desire for power. Besides, one thing to keep in mind is that, Gundam also serves as a response to Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers, which gets accused of glorifying war and colonialism. I don't really see that with Zambot 3, as it really didn't cover a whole lot of new ground, aside from introducing themes of true heroism, discrimination, distrust, loss and self-sacrifice, which were themes explored in Astro Boy or even Casshan. Plus, I would say it's more of a superhero-as-menace storyline which is something we see in Astro Boy and Casshan.

@budgiecat2885

3 жыл бұрын

@@CosmoShidan nah Also the Robot Romance Trilogy probably helped inspire Tomino for Gundam as well since he directed the first half of Raideen and the director who did the second half, directed the Robot Romance Trilogy (Combattler V, Voltes V, Daimos) in which those tried to tackle more 'grey area' themes in showcasing heroes on both sides and misunderstanding (like in Daimos whole incident that sparked the war was through some misunderstanding done through some underhanded scheming of a part of the other side)

Once they got Battle Convoy in the Reboot line (which they did), there will be more discussions emerging 😂🤣

Have you thought about doing the micro change line?

@budgiecat2885

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's definitely just as an integral part of Tranformers DNA history as Diaclone was

the revival of battle convoy v-max diaclone has strong optimus prime vibe

I reckon there isnt much discussion about the diaclone reboot toys due to how ungodly expensive they are to import. I have 1 of the Suits. Its 2 inches tall and cost 40 bucks. For that kinda scratch I can get 2 deluxe class transformers.

DIACLOOOOOOOOOONE

I have many of these

More videos please

I thought some Diaclone toys were imported to the US as Diakron or Kronoform.

Are you familiar with halonix maximum AKA Gigantus? He was the large Hologram that Hound projected in G1 to intimidate Devastator. WHich Diaclone do you think they based that design on?

@Droyer22

5 ай бұрын

I was not familiar with him but I looked him up. I don't think he's based on any Diaclone, or any previous design for that matter.

@doro626

5 ай бұрын

Ok thank you for checking. Someone on reddit though he was based on Diaclone the great. i didnt see it, but there was a production sketch for him and convoy that looked a little more plausible. Meaning I saw how different Convoys original sketch looked versus what we got, so I could maybe see that other one being slightly based on it. I guess the artist just made something up on the fly. @@Droyer22

Did not the Honda City R become Skids, rather than the Turbo? Cause it has the scooter?

@Droyer22

Жыл бұрын

They both have a scooter, the only difference between them except color is their weaponry, and Skids has the Turbo's weapons.

I hade sky dasher loved this toys

@10:15 in the entire line of Porsche 935 Race Cars, none of them were ever called "turbo" you're thinking of the 930 Slantnose Turbo

@Droyer22

2 жыл бұрын

The toy is called Porsche 935 Turbo (picture of its packaging available here: www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/g1-transformers-takara-diaclone-1815074675 ) I am not a car guy, but if as you say that car does not exist it is a mistake on Takaras part, not mine.

@TheWarriorsFromHell

2 жыл бұрын

@@Droyer22 well they hasbro did get sued over the stickers later on, soooo karma i guess

Whats the name of the song that plays at the end?

@Droyer22

3 жыл бұрын

Step into lights feat. AHKE

@Droyer22

2 жыл бұрын

@@xDeedles kzread.info/dash/bejne/e4hptNOTZrjPfKw.html here you go

Someone pls animate a diaclone series

It boggles my mind how Train Robo/Raiden never made it Transformers G1. He was awesome!

@mistaefromdtn

2 жыл бұрын

He did, just wasn’t imported. Takara was still G1 just had their own continuity within G1

@whosaidthat84

2 жыл бұрын

@@mistaefromdtn yeah I meant G1 in the West.

No one reaches back and talks about Shogun Warriors... Am I the only one that had them?

@Droyer22

4 ай бұрын

Shogun Warriors were just anime robot and tokusatsu toys repackaged for America. Unlike Transformers it never became a big franchise that started making its own toys. You can probably find people talking about the Japanese originals but since the Shogun Warriors versions are completely identical as far as I know there's little reason to talk about them in particular.

This felt gundam

That story is real

The generation one Transformers are the only ones I love, and still fond of today. Even though the narrator's accent was very deep, I tried to listen attentively and I enjoyed learning the original history.

英語はお上手ですね！ドロイヤー22号氏は一つの所が間違いました：ダイアクロンカーロボットのホンダシティーRは「クロスカット」と「スクリーチ」と言うのトランスフォーマーキャラクターになりました。

@Droyer22

3 жыл бұрын

日本語を知らないので翻訳ソフトに頼っているため、読みにくかったらごめんなさい。確かに、私は80年代のトランスフォーマーばかり見ていて、2000年代のトランスフォーマーを見逃していました。

@gabrielchee8470

Жыл бұрын

Crosscut is silver, the red one became the MP-only reboost, and screech is more orange

Gundam wasn't a succes by any means. It was more trying to capitilize on poplarity of other series' like BANDAI's chogokin tyline.

アニメ化・コミック化してほしいです。

Diabetes lol...

Superb research, thank you. I'm still unable to find much information online about the silver and red Diaclone Hondas, the red Diaclone Ligier variant, and the blue and yellow Diaclone HiLuxes. I have not seen any Diaclone brochures that include pictures of these toys.