This is amazing! The U de Y steam locomotives in action before becoming legends on the Walt Disney World Railroad! What a historical trip back in time that is!

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It's always nice to see the "before" you knew them moments. One of those "humble beginnings," you might say

just shows how much one can change the way a steam loco looks like

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! And, to be honest, I think they look better now than they ever did, even at the Baldwin shops hahaha

Yes finally, I get to see the origins of the Walt Disney World Railroad locomotives.

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed! Here you can see the condition of what the WDWRR engines were like once they were acquired by Roger Broggie before WDW's opening in '71

Walt and Roger were 274 and 275, Lilly was 260, and Roy was 251. 350 and 352 in the video I'm pretty sure were standard gauge locomotives.

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

Initially I thought at least 352 was narrow gauge but then I realized, "Wait a minute, this is dual gauge track!" At least the first two engines in the clip were narrow gauge hahaha

Wow that is great. I don’t know that the locomotives had different life before they came to WDW Thanks for sharing the great history of the locomotives

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

It's shocking, isn't it? It follows the same logic of the DRR's Fred Gurley and Ernest S. Marsh; find some old locomotives that need a little work, change the aesthetics to suit the Park, and voila, you've got yourself a brand new fleet of engines!

Walt's Nephew these steam locomotives kind of remind me of the Narrow Gauge Rio Grande steam locomotives from the Durango & Silverton railroad

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

A bit, a bit. After all, all of those engines are Baldwin made!

@DanielGomez-gw4kt

3 жыл бұрын

@@WaltsNephew you are absolutely correct, I also believe that the steam locomotives of the Durango & Silverton railroad are also Baldwin made steam locomotives as well

@evanburt2766

3 жыл бұрын

@@DanielGomez-gw4kt Baldwin and Alco

Nice video and Happy Easter! 😁

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much and a very Happy Easter to you as well!

I really love this!

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

So do I hahaha

1:11 350 looks like an 1890s high drive American that would make some people to mistook for the 999. Shame this engine hadn’t been preserved. Be amazing if it did, and being from Mexico is a bonus for history. If the WDW R.R. are going get a 5th loco, it’s either a civil war design or Ripley’s design. Either way this good one. Edit: 1:28 I take it back from looking like the 999, actually this engine is more closer to Wilmington & Western no. 98 or Detroit, Toledo & Ironton no. 16.

@WaltsNephew

2 жыл бұрын

She does look like 999! But I don't think WDWRR will need or wants a fifth engine (hence the original Ward Kimball didn't stay long)

@hartjdr.agustin9745

2 жыл бұрын

@@WaltsNephew isn’t that because the original one didn’t have enough power to pull the train or climb grades? If my memory is right, the original Ward Kimball was too heavy for the Disneyland Railroad, but was underpowered for the Walt Disney World.

@WaltsNephew

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly right! Too small for Florida and too big for Anaheim

I have an idea for a 5th locomotive on the walt disney world railroad: *A Florida east coast 4-4-0 with a few passengers cars based on railcar #91.*

@WaltsNephew

2 жыл бұрын

Hmmmm are there any pictures of a Florida East Coast 4-4-0?

Wow! I didn’t know actual footage existed of the WDWRR locomotives before Disney bought them, all I’ve seen are fuzzy B&W photos. I’m curious what year this was shot cause at 0:36 those wood sided passenger cars were quite antiquated for the time, being they have no clerestory or vestibules. If I had to guess they look to be around 1860s-1880s range, although I wouldn’t be surprised if they were newer

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, these particular engines are the WDW's sisters and cousins. I'm pretty sure it was filmed in the '60s just before their acquisition by Roger Broggie and just after (my guess would be the former not the latter). And if you think about it, in Mexico, Latin America and Cuba they were using all of our old equipment for decades! So I wouldn't be surprised if the passenger cars were from the Antebellum hahaha

@cple1

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry but none of the locomotives in the old video are the ones at WDW. Walt and Roger are 274 and 275, Lilly was 260, and Roy was 251.

@richardstrainsandmore

3 жыл бұрын

I already figured that out after posting my previous comment. To be honest I’m not a huge WDWRR fan so I never memorized all their previous road numbers from Yucatán

@cple1

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardstrainsandmore there was a facebook page out of Mexico that had photos of them in the Yucatan.

@richardstrainsandmore

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen some of those photos before including one of the fifth locomotive Disney bought but scrapped early on once deemed beyond repair, if I remember correctly it was an older 2-6-0

Well you did indeed say you had a special video for Easter. If Walt hadn't gained ownership of these locomotives there's no telling what might've became of them

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

You're right! Although since Roger was in charge even with the DRR engines, I have the feeling that what we have today wouldn't be too far off from what Walt would want haha

@justinratcliffe947

3 жыл бұрын

@@WaltsNephew It's also a fact that during WW2 the US Government wanted to destroy and cut up most old locomotives for scrap. Hollywood saved them by purchasing them and putting them in movies. Just think about it. If that hadn't happened we would only know of these old locomotives through old pictures of them. And most of these old western movies and other old movies with trains in them would never have been made. We would never know entirely how these old locomotives sounded. Railfans should be entirely grateful to the entertainment industry for that.

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

True! Although the government was, and still kinda is, rather generous by selling at a very low cost or donated to several countries our old rolling stock and engines (like Cuba, Puerto Rico, Latin America, Mexico, Great Britain, etc.) so we have a legacy just not within US borders haha

@justinratcliffe947

3 жыл бұрын

@@WaltsNephew That reminds me of spaghetti westerns. They were all filmed in foreign countries although a lot are still set in the US. If you watched old spaghetti westerns with trains in them even if they take place in America you can still tell the trains used in them ARE foreign. It's kinda funny when you think about it.

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

I've noticed the exact same thing! I just appreciate the fact that they've got steamies haha

Who better to tell the earlier years of Walt than his nephew. I may have misplaced your number and I need to talk about bread 🍞 and a current issue.

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

One of Walt's preferred accompaniments to one of his favorite dishes, beans and chili, was either a thing of saltine crackers or a piece of white bread. AND if he wasn't eating chili and beans, he'd be eating a grilled cheese. Boy oh boy, that white bread sure is important hahaha

Cool🙂 What's your favorite locomotive?

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

For WDW, it would probably be Walter E. Disney. For my favorite engine of all time, it's the DRR's E.P. Ripley

@Andrew-gv4bh

3 жыл бұрын

Woow!Cool🙂

@jeremyasher297

3 жыл бұрын

If I’d visit this railroad, I’d probably have to go with the 2 Ten wheelers shown at the beginning of the video.

Walt's Nephew I'm not sure but these steam locomotives that you showed on this video, showing their before life before their new life for the Magic Kingdom railroad aka the Walt Disney World Railroad. From their Beginnings like I saw from this video, along with their nowaday lives at Walt Disney World in the Magic Kingdom. Are all four of the steam locomotives from their early days and a new life at the Magic Kingdom at Walt Disney World, from both territories are they Narrow Gauge steam locomotives ? Because I'm sure that Magic Kingdom railroad cast members said that the steam locomotives are Narrow Gauge, from the early days and along with the Walt Disney World Railroad. I can't remember completely but I really want to know if the steam locomotives are Narrow Gauge, and if the Walt Disney World railroad is also Narrow Gauge. I forgot completely, that even though a lot of people say that the Magic Kingdom of Walt Disney World is bigger than Disneyland. I am not sure if the Walt Disney World railroad is standard gauge or Narrow Gauge, because the Disneyland Railroad and their steam locomotives and train setups are Narrow Gauge as well

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the engines in Mexico and the WDWRR are all American narrow gauge of 3 foot

@DanielGomez-gw4kt

3 жыл бұрын

@@WaltsNephew thank you, thanks for giving me a correction right there

What's Nephew someday if Walt Disney imagineering would build a new area for Fantasyland at the Magic Kingdom of Walt Disney World, and if that area would become like Frozenland complete with hopefully three rides. And if the area would be a replica of the kingdom of Arendelle from the Frozen franchise. If they would have the idea to have a railroad station for that area, and probably closed down and tear down the Fantasyland station. Currently located at storybook circus, and that the trains would permanently service Fantasyland with a new Fantasyland station directly located in a possible Frozenland. What would you say if something like this were to happen to expand something new for Fantasyland in the Magic Kingdom at Walt Disney World, as well as a brand new Fantasyland station for that idea ? Of course I believe storybook circus would still remain as part of Fantasyland, but if they were to build Frozenland at the behind and of the theme park. And they decide to build a New Fantasyland station location for that area, and it would be a permanent train station stop for all of the trains. And they would tear down and close Fantasyland station near storybook circus, what would you say to this idea at the same time ?

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

We'll just have to wait and see!

@DanielGomez-gw4kt

3 жыл бұрын

@@WaltsNephew I hope so. Because as you know Walt Disney imagineering wants to build Frozen lands for some of the other Disney theme parks, and now they want to try to do a new one for Disneyland. I know you heard about the new Disneyland Resort expansion. I just hope the city of Anaheim will say yes to Disney, because so far there had been who knows how many businesses in Anaheim that they've lost during the pandemic. And they said that the city of Anaheim is relying on Disney to do something new, so businesses in Anaheim mainly Harbor Boulevard and Katella Avenue will increase again. As long as Disney will do something new, with a brand new plans of new connections for Disneyland and Disney California Adventure. Including a brand new shopping, dining and entertainment Resort Hotel. So it could replace the Toy Story parking lot. So very soon way ahead in the near future Maybe, I can hardly wait for Disneyland to get a new Frozenland. Including a brand new Tangledland. But for Walt Disney World mainly the Magic Kingdom, I'm hoping that they will build a new area at the other end of Fantasyland in the back part of the theme park. And I hope that will be a new Frozenland for the Magic Kingdom, and at the same time I hope they can read locate the Fantasyland station into the Frozenland area. Because if I ride those trains of the Magic Kingdom railroad aka the Walt Disney World Railroad, and if I want to go to Fantasyland. I would rather experience the magic, imagination, and fantasy of a Disney fairytale Kingdom. Rather than a circus area, and the kingdom of Arendelle is the answer. And I would be very happy to get off the trains for a new relocated Fantasyland station, in the middle of Frozenland only at the Magic Kingdom in Walt Disney World. And as you know Frozen is one of the big money-making franchises of Disney, and little by little the franchise is growing. Not just with toys, dolls, storybooks and all of the merchandise. But the Frozen franchise is trying to grow with brand new movie shorts, and there is also an animated series starring the little snowman himself Olaf. But very soon I hope to see more Frozen animated shorts, featurettes and who knows how many animated series. Maybe 3 Frozen animated series. Where the first Frozen animated series can take place before the first Frozen movie, the second Frozen animated series to take place after the first Frozen movie and before Frozen 2. And finally a third Frozen animated series, that could take place after Frozen 2. Those are the only ideas that I want to see very soon, so the Frozen franchise can grow. Of course everybody including myself want a Frozen 3, but we'll have to wait a long time on that one. So anyway from their Frozen is one of the big money-making franchises of Disney since 2013, and because of that. That's why Walt Disney imagineering is trying to make some frozenlands for their theme parks, I can hardly wait for one Frozenland for Disneyland, and I'm really hoping for a frozenland for the Magic Kingdom in Walt Disney World. And hopefully they can relocate Fantasyland station from the storybook circus area, to a possible Frozenland area of Fantasyland👍😉❤

What's Nephew I'm definitely sorry to tell you this, but I think this could be a good idea. Because someday I hope that the two steam locomotives of the Magic Kingdom railroad aka the Walt Disney World railroad can get another change to their bodies, well if you part of their bodies. Just to let you know I like the perfect designs of number one the Walter E Disney and number two the Lilly Belle, I like the way they look. Especially the design of their tenders giving that American Western design of their tenders, and of course the stack of their funnels. For the Walter E Disney it has the giant Diamond stack funnel, and the Lilly Belle has a short Diamond stack funnel. I really like those designs of those two steam locomotives. However the other two steam locomotives number 3 the Roger broggie and number 4 the royal Disney, I kind of believe they need to get some redesigns on their funnels and one of the tenders as well. The Roger broggie should receive a brand-new tall stack funnel, and a new Circle and round shape headlamp. So that way the locomotive could look identical to the EP Ripley from Disneyland, except the wheels. And the 4th locomotive the Roy O Disney, should get another redesign for its funnel. So it's funnel could also be a tall stack funnel, but it can be a little short, rather than really tall like The Funnel of the EP Ripley. And also I believe it's tender should be redesigned as well, so it's tender can look like the original design of the tender from her early days. And of course the Roy O Disney, should also get a redesign for its headlamp as well. So the headlamp can look like a circle and round shape design, and altogether with these revamp designs for the locomotive. The Roy O Disney should resemble and to be like a replica of steam locomotives from the 1920s and the 1930s. If something like this ever happens someday for the Roger broggie and the Roy O Disney, where those two steam locomotives get revamp designs. The truth is I would like to see all 4 steam locomotives of the Magic Kingdom railroad aka the Walt Disney World Railroad, to represent the history changes of steam locomotives from the 1880s to the 1930s👍😉❤

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

Ya know, the reason why they look so different is so that they can prove Disney does not always do the same thing. If they did, the'd be no better than anybody else. I think the chimneys, boiler design and everything in-between gives each of the engines their own unique characters

@DanielGomez-gw4kt

3 жыл бұрын

@@WaltsNephew maybe you're right

Where’s the 5th locomotive or the Davenport

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

In this footage I couldn't find one that looked like the 5th engine! The engines here are relatively close to the actual ones that we see now at WDW. I'm sorry I couldn't find that fifth engine for ya haha

@evanburt2766

3 жыл бұрын

@@WaltsNephew what about the original ward kimball?

@WaltsNephew

3 жыл бұрын

I thought about including her! But I figured I would only include the current engines of the WDWRR roster

@evanburt2766

3 жыл бұрын

@@WaltsNephew ahh i got you

@cple1

3 жыл бұрын

@@evanburt2766 the original kimball came from a coal mine in Pittsburg, Kansas. Look up an 0-4-0T tank engine and you'll get an idea of what it looked like.