So sorry guys, if anyone can pull it off it's you two! It will make for a great story years from now.

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks! We will just keep living vicariously through you guys sailing

I know how you both feel ,i have been refitting my 62 year old steel yacht for 2 years 9 months and sometimes it gets to me ,big time,but i just persevere with the project and grit my teeth and just keep working on it .I ,too, have trouble financing the project ,i am always juggling my budget ,lol,i do everything myself to save money and lucky i have the skills required to do so.Chin up Logan,you are a competent welder / tradesman and problem solver,do your best everyday and it will be finished.I would suggest removing the bulwarks,fix the deck rust area and fit a new sheerline bulkwark plate and cap it with 2 inch stainless steel 316 heavy wall tube.Mount the genoa track on top of the tube if no interference from shrouds or handrails. Best regards from Aus and keep up the good work

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and for the encouragement! And best of luck with your project as well!

Having restored a 1917 - built wooden gaff ketch, I know the joys and heartaches of bringing an ailing boat back to good health. This is one of those heartache times which must be endured before gaining the joy of sailing your boat again.

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely and luckily we are already starting to feel better about thing as we got the capping pipe tacked on today!! But damn what a rollercoaster

Hi Folks: Owner of a Bruce Roberts 36 steel boat here. My comments as an old man: You are young so time doesn't mean as much sit does to me.. Your boat is a beautiful thing indeed but work needed, loving care. You can remove stuff inside and put it back. It is not difficult. Just think, once you get it right, you are safe and have peace of mind. You'll can do it. And then go to sea with confidence. You two are smart, and skilled, so relax, you got this.

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

We have def had remind ourselves a few times of how much better and stronger she will be when we are done. Luckily the moments at the end of this video were our lowest and things have looked up since!

Your standard of craftsmanship is awesome. Hope you both stay positive and look forward to years of sailing with a solid hull!

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The depression luckily didn’t last very long 😌

Wonder if a magnet scan check would have revealed those bogged up holes.

Wowza, you guys continue to impress us with your perseverance and metalworking skills! We know very little about metal boats but dang, Papa Rumba will be brand new when you are done with her!

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

She will def be solid when she makes it back into the water!

Awe I'm so sorry this happened to you both. It looks like so much work. Keep yourself positive. It'll be worth it in the long run for your trip North.

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 😌❤️

Hi, a suggestion for the genoa track, if it's any help.. I always thought "less holes in the deck the better" so maybe a welded on raised piece of c channel, so u can bolt to that, kinda makes it sacrificial and fixable. I think same for winches too, really all hardware. Just a thought :)

There's a bright side. When the rains come you'll already be under shelter and setup. Be sure to take a break and enjoy a hot toddy while listening to the pitter patter on the roof 🙂

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Haha true! No flood worries this year!

So very sorry guys. Very sad to see this. I pray you get through this and truly wish you all the best ...

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Luckily this was two months ago and things are looking better now, although our timeline has definitely been stretched a lot

What a tremendously disappointing discovery, but I have faith that "super" Logan will effect repairs that are effective, long lasting and at least as good looking as the original. I hope that this doesn't set the re-launch by to much. Very good video work Taryn. I look forward to both platform up-loads.

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks John! Always look forward to your comments 😌

i bought a 1984 fiberglass ketch. the surveyor missed a lot. it toke a lot of hours and cuts and bruises. but it’s finally done and looking great. you guys will make it look great again. good luck 👍

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Ah those damn surveys hey? The potential for these problems showed up on our survey but we decided to go forward with it anyway, not realizing how much work would be involved to right the issues if they were as bad as we thought they might be. Glad to hear you are back in the water!

Oh god, I feel for you guys. This throws me right back to my first car, a gorgeous life long Florida rust free 1969 Buick, body was mint but needed paint, it even had the original hubcaps, the interior was rough but there were no records for the engine. I bought it, started doing work on it, and then the timing chain broke. And I found out why there were no records for the engine, because there had apparently never been any maintenance done on it. A lot of time, hard work, and many thousands of dollars later I got it back on the road, and it was worth every bit of the trouble. Your project is a lot bigger, but you guys seem pretty bad ass, you'll make it through, and it'll be worth it.

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the encouragement! That’s rough to have happen to an engine too! Glad you were able to get her running again!

Wow.. that sucks on so many levels.. I'll spare you guys for platitudes, other than hoping you'll find the energy to get a result you're happy with..

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated! It’s been a time but things are starting to look up now

I do feel for you both. I had the same problems with a Van de Stadt Carribean 40ft about 10 years ago. Also the footrail and deck completely rusted and some spots beneath the waterline. And the sprayed-on insulation wich is a fire risc. I have spend years considering how to attack these problems and finaly I dessided to sell the boat for far less then I payed. Seeing your video's makes me feel sory that I did not have the same courage as you two. The way you are handeling this, eventough it is an lot off work en blood sweat and tears, will pay off for you. Wish you goog luck on your journey.

@WaywardLifeSailing

Жыл бұрын

Awe I’m sorry to hear you got rid of her before you had a chance to fix her, but I get it. It’s so much work and a lot more than we expected, and a lot more skill involved than I expected as well to make sure the boat doesn’t warp. Luckily we are close to being done the stuff that can cause warping. Just a few small areas to check and see if it’s rusting and then we are on to painting and putting things back together!

Hang in there. You will preserve.

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the encouragement!

Yup, been there and 7 years later just putting the antifouling on, then outa here! Don’t give up! Go hard! That bulwark was a dumb design and a disaster waiting to happen, good chance for you to make it right and have no future worries…

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Oh damn! Well I’m glad to hear you’re almost back in the water! We are very excited about the prospect of having this righted and not having to worry for sure 😂

Oh god, what a mess! I stumbled onto your channel b/c I've been researching boat kits for years and pretty much settled on the Norman pilothouse in aluminum. Unfortunately that bulwark looks like a bad design for steel and a ticking timebomb. Hopefully you get all the cancer addressed and put all this behind you to enjoy that big heavy steel cadillac as she gracefully bobs along in the roughest of waters, easily punting logs aside. Gimme a shout if you're close to comox, I'd be happy to volunteer a hand

@WaywardLifeSailing

Жыл бұрын

We are super happy with her minus that one design flaw 😂 def a great bot and we can’t wait to be back on the water!

@Cacheola

Жыл бұрын

@@WaywardLifeSailing I can't wait to see you guys sailing her around here. I'd love a tour!!

@WaywardLifeSailing

Жыл бұрын

@@Cacheola we can’t wait to get back out there! 😌 might be a while before the interior looks very good though haha

We have a similar problem with our genoa track, my plan is remove the interior and insulation cut out the rusted deck sections below the track and a weld 8mm Corten strip that sits 4mm above the deck, with drilled and tapped holes to secure the track. Hopefully the elevated attachment will stay drier and repel water. I will also use a nitrile gasket to reduce sweating under the track. Our bulwarks are 6mm single skin with a 50 x 25mm, 316 cap rail. We will be able to patch this, the main corrosion has started in the undercut in the top side of the weld under the rail, I think I will use stainless wire to fix the undercuts were the rust has started. Great channel.

@WaywardLifeSailing

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Using Corten for patches is an interesting one. It’s notoriously hard to weld and def involves some extra research, but we would love to hear how it works out for you. Let us know how the stainless wire fixes works too!

You have all my sympathy. I myself is in a long process, rebuilding a boat, so I know it is not always easy. Anyway, about the interior, I would strongly recommend, if you have to rebuild things, to make the interior modular, so that it can relatively easy be removed for inspection and repairs of the hull.

@WaywardLifeSailing

Жыл бұрын

We are def planning to do something that is easier to take apart in the future! Not positive how it will look yet but that’s the plan

@Dontlinkmyaccounts

Жыл бұрын

@@WaywardLifeSailing Do you have drawings of your plans? I use Sketchup, free version. It is a very good tool.

very interesting your comment on the teak cant believe anyone would do this, recipe for disaster, as if the untreated enclosed bullwark wasnt bad enough. i always thought you seemed a bit optimistic about saving the bullwark when i first started seeing the level of rusting inside even just on the inside edge

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

I think that optimism is the only thing that kept us (well me, Taryn) for a couple of months there 😂 Logan also thought it was optimistic but I wasn’t about to let the potential dread drag me down until it had to. However in real time we started on the starboard side today so that’s exciting!

@hthring

2 жыл бұрын

@@WaywardLifeSailing you do have to be optimistic and hope for the best in life, and then when that fails make the best of the situation your in, just tell yourself, it could always have been worse 😅

Chin up there are good times to come ,one step at a time

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I really want a steel boat becasue the pros of a steel boat are huge, but im afraid of something like that for sure.

Hi Terran Logan. Do you really want top keep a bulwark? My VdS34 has a welded toe rail. I could send you a few pics if you want... And remember Papa Rumba is a BEAUTIFUL boat and will all be worth it! Note that your sail track are aluminum and the boat is steel so you will have to isolate the those or you will have an anode/cathode relationship. 0k I am going to go watch the last one.

@Coyotehello

Жыл бұрын

Ha, one more thing: If you decide on putting non-skid on the deck there is much less fairing to do...

@WaywardLifeSailing

Жыл бұрын

Yes there will def be some kiwigrip going on at some point! We decided to keep the bulwarks because of how low our freeboard is and we just thought it would look better! In real time we just finished putting on the port side bulwarks and started cutting chunks out of the port side. The new bulwarks look pretty good if I do say so muself!

Surprised you had problems with a Dutch built steel boat, they normally know what they are doing. I looked at one, it used Corten steel, not even complete painted inside, but still good.

@WaywardLifeSailing

7 ай бұрын

I think it’s more owner issues than anything in our case, and design flaws. But the build itself is pretty good

Sorry to hear of your troubles. At least I now know that I will never buy a steel boat.

@WaywardLifeSailing

Жыл бұрын

The hope in sharing this whole journey has been to give people the education to accurately determine if steel is the right fit for them, so I’m glad it has helped you do that

My take-away is "no hollow structures". A single piece of steel not a hollow bulwark, no flat against flat, only T joints fully welded. It may not be possible to change that much, but any chance to avoid hollows is a chance to avoid future repairs. Boat designers: have a care for maintainability, please. This is not just about steel, but how to use steel. Thanks for revealing the way to think when designing a steel boat.

@WaywardLifeSailing

Ай бұрын

Exactly. And if you need to have a hollow enclosed space for some reason, don’t later drill any holes into it! 😂 That’s what really did this one in.

Blast the whole boat with aggregate. Then test the thickness with a meter . Weld all the holes and patch all the pieces. Check out "Sailing Melody". The positive is you will have a brand new hull you can seal with epoxy

@WaywardLifeSailing

Жыл бұрын

The hull is solid luckily. It’s just those portions of the deck that were encased in the bulwarks. We have access to all of the bilges and the bottom was just repainted two years ago so we are pretty confident about everything below the water line, minus maybe the water tank which we will get to after we are done the bulwakrs

@wildandbarefoot

Жыл бұрын

@@WaywardLifeSailingit was dozy of the builders to box it off like that. They could have used a simple tube tagged to the top, but they went for astetics I suppose. If it's just that area of the boat don't despair. You'd rather be sailing than welding, but at least you'll have the comfort of knowing it's done properly. If you really wanted to stop it ever happening again you could oil fill the bulwark like they did on old motorcycles. It would never rust from the inside again. Lol. You could go and buy a totally fine looking yacht and still have a problem like this. Your documenting all the hard work, so that will count for something come sale time.

@WaywardLifeSailing

Жыл бұрын

@@wildandbarefoot believe it or not they had it full of fluid film to try and minimize the damage but it just solidified and the air got to it anyway due to holes being drilled in the bulwarks. Luckily I think we have a solution figured out but only time will tell. Def a design flaw that should never be repeated 😂 thanks for your comments 😌

The bulwarks seems to be a poor design. My guess is to remove them and replace with a toerail made in 10mm flat steel with holes in. And then use snatchblocks in the toerail for the jib sheets.

So sad, it's got great lines and floor plan. Why so rusty? Age? Was it submerged?

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

All the steel inside the bulwarks was bare and someone drilled holes into them which let air and salt water get in there, so over 25 years it got to this point

I live in Port Hardy. I'm a heavy equipment mechanic/welder. I've worked on steel dozer and side winder boats in the logging industry. I know how bad rust can get. The work is huge. Question.... Do you absolutely need bullworks??? It seems to me a flat clean deck where water can roll off would be so much better and cheaper to fix this problem. Question... If you need a bullworks why make an enclosed channel that can not be painted??? Why not just fix the deck and use one strip of solid plate that can easily be painted. Have you ever seen what happens on the coast around here to painted steel box tube boat trailers??? Same thing that happened to your bullworks. A bullworks made of H beam, I beam or channel beam would be plenty strong and much much quicker than trying to rebuild that boxed in rust prone structure..... Might not look as good but alot more practical and functional. There is a way to make that boxed in structure out live the boat though... Weld it solid and water tight, weld in a pipe Scully, then fill it with used engine oil if it leaks in the future fix the leak and add more used oil. I've used that method it works well. Good job on the chain locker.

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

You, my friend, are thinking very much like we have been! We chose to put bulwarks back on in order to keep more water off the deck when at sea because our freeboard is pretty low, but we are doing similar to what you are saying- flat bar capped with pipe and fully welded so as long as we keep up with paint and don’t put holes through the pipe we should be ok in the future

@bobadam7021

2 жыл бұрын

@@WaywardLifeSailing Are you going to have a toerail? I'd suggest doing something like Mads did on sail life, it was a relatively easy build and looks great.

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobadam7021 it’s the same height bulwark as was there, but it’s flat bar instead of a channel and capped with a pipe. If you happen to be interested, we post weekly updates in real time on our patreon and the $1/ month memberships get access to all those weekly videos. In real time we just finished piecing together the port side. Just waiting for one more tool to finish the welding and then move onto the starboard side

How much did you pay for it? Sounds like a sunk cost. Carry it and move on to next project.

Cheers guys! It was a terrible design, I can’t see the logic in how the Original designers thought that was a good idea.. my thinking if you haven’t already started, this was 2 months ago.. is to cut them bulwarks off completely obvious lay in new steel for the deck where it needs it, and rebuild the complete Stanchions and safety rail out of Preferably stainless steel, (a bit like Amel) with three gates one either side and one aft, then she should have the structure strength back, (lets be honest, that wasn’t structural anymore anyway) And replace the bulwarks with a nice hardwood through bolted on the new steel stanchions, with full drainage between the deck and timber bulwark’s.. Yeah great Trev you just spent 10k .. but that would actually be pretty Structural sound, probably better then it ever was, one connected to the pushpit and pullpit. But Logan i know your seriously capable, but remember she is going to try and Buckle inwards the second you remove the deck or parts of.. so either way you are going to need to take measurements and maybe tack some hooks so you can pull pressure outwardly anywhere there isnt a bulkhead holding her, hopefully something you can adjust easily atleast until that part of the deck is welded back in.. i think my design, will actually work.. but the hassle and cost? The bulwarks outta timber won’t be mega expensive, but the material costs will.. sailing Avocet, did a really good episode making timber bulwarks. Again, sorry for the bad news guy’s. If you can’t understand what i mean you know how to contact me, but I’m not a naval engineer, I believe Luke Quick from the channel Quick Creations is? His building a steel mono aswell he is in our group.. he may have advice?

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Trev! We have done something kind of similar to what you are suggesting that we think will work quite a bit better and stay within our neater budget 😌 it was def a big thinker and we were happy to be changing the design

Also the easiest to fix. Steel.

@WaywardLifeSailing

6 ай бұрын

I can tell you after spending 2.5 years rebuilding this boat, after having spent 4 months the year before rebuilding an entire fibreglass chain locker and deck head that on a cruising boat, steel is not necessarily easier, and it is guaranteed to need more maintenance.

That's horrible news. I hope taking the galley apart wasn't too painful. Best of luck that you've uncovered the worst of the corrosion. I must admit watching this kind of feels like this scene which will hopefully give you a good laugh: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mISOuNFumLLIm7g.html

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

Omg that video 😂😂😂 this experience made me say “worst case Ontario” more times than I can count 😂 as long as we are above trailer park boys level I guess we are doing ok 😂😂😂

Do you know which yard built your boat? They deserve to be known and never again get a contract!

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

They are already out of business 😂 it may very well have been an issue due to actions after it left the boat yard though

🇨🇦 Contact us.. we have a solution! 🇨🇦

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

This was two months ago so we just finished most of the port side bulwarks, but thank you!

You guys seem so sad.

@WaywardLifeSailing

Жыл бұрын

We were. I think this was the only point that we questioned what we were doing. Luckily this was two months ago and things have gone fairly well since.

cut your losses and sell it for scrap. start with a new fiberglass project.

@WaywardLifeSailing

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂