BE Meyers KIJI vs Surefire Vampire vs Full Power Illuminator Performance Comparison
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A performance comparison with the new BE Meyers KIJI K1-3, an IR illuminator that uses the same VCSEL technology as the MAWL. The more focused 3 degree version of the KIJI is shown, but you can also get a 10 degree version. The KIJI is way more powerful than a typical civilian laser based IR illuminator, but still doesn't quite replace a full power laser module.
Also tested are the Surefire KM2-C vampire light head, the Steiner DBAL I2 9007 (civilian power), and the AN/PEQ-15 (full power).
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Great video, what is the name of the mount that combines the kiji and otal? Thanks in advance
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
Unity fusion hub. It causes some offset issue with the KIJI though.
@konner1707
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
I wish more videos could be like this, no BS, straight to the facts and demonstration, not wasting anyone's time, and half the video is not begging for likes every 5 second and flashing the "subscribe" button in our faces. Hop sure remindes be of how the old KZread was back in the day. Please never change.
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
Dog bless
@dglewis89
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil have a day
@michaelblacktree
2 жыл бұрын
Also, people "puff up" a video, to make it 10+ minutes long for that sweet ad revenue.
best video comparison of the Kiji so far. You almost don't even need to make the review (please do)
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
I'll have my video-slave (Brock) do it.
@vlaricshard2
2 жыл бұрын
oh hey its a nominee for breakout creator of the year.
Watching Hop's transition from sarcastic pawn shop shop .40 enjoyer to ASMR civ-NOD gear wizard has been a trip.
Apparently BE Meyers is introducing a piece that can be added to any KIJI that will allow the Illumination to be adjusted for windage and elevation, helping to mitigate some of the issues outlined in the video
@tubewombat
2 жыл бұрын
Not us.
Hop is like the P365 of GunTubers… it’s amazing how much info he packs into 4-6 minutes vs others 25 min videos
Hey man, I love your brutal honestly and the fact that you don’t honestly care about anyone’s opinions.
@mabs9503
2 жыл бұрын
He cares about my opinions.
I recently learned that Hoplophilia is the term for sexual fetish for guns. But I think in my case it's a sexual fetish for something else...
Your comparison reviews are fantastic. Concise, clear, all points discussed. Thank you for this. I'm looking for a low-cost laser I can modify to get spill outside a central beam by filtering the beam through a lens (instead of normal flat laser glass) with a center hole drilled for laser center body for targeting. We'll see.
Great video as always, Hop. Appreciate the succinct nature of your videos and no BS approach. Giving us exactly what we all hope for.
Love these videos. Thanks again for making them
Great video excited for your vid/thoughts on the KIJI
This is exactly what i've wanted to see, which no one else has done!
I see Hop NODs content, I click.
Damn great breakdowns
I enjoy watching Hop review gear that I have no intention of ever buying.
Love the NV content Hop. Keep it up.
Thanks Hop, great vid on shit that people will definitely be asking about.
Awesome I’m looking for another laser right now other then the FP peq and these videos are helpful.
Great video. I wish i could have seen just one more thing, the updated mawl c1+ compared to everything else. That's just because I have one and think highly of it. But great video!
Paird my kiji with a steiner cqbl-1 and love it! Sold my FP peq15 for the combo.
great review, professional and to the point
Cool vid. I would have liked to see the MAWL C+ thrown in there as well but there are KIJI + MAWL videos so I guess its a moot point. Thanks for the comparison.
always a good day when i see videos
Z-Bolt has an 2-20 degree adjustable VCSEL illuminator allegedly coming soon that comes with batteries, a charger, a pressure switch tail cap and a weapon mount for under $600. Idk civ legal or not but seems like they wouldn't put an MSRP on it if not. Just food for thought.
@squirreltakular9049
2 жыл бұрын
They also just announced a laser/illuminator combo. I'm hopeful it could be the "I don't have MAWL money" solution we've been waiting for.
@grif5447
2 жыл бұрын
@@squirreltakular9049 hopefully they watched a ton of Hop's vids and figured out a way to reduce LED spill to a minimum.
@squirreltakular9049
2 жыл бұрын
@@grif5447 maybe they will be using a diffuser cap like the KIJI. Seems like the only way to get around the regulation issue Hop talked about in regards to adjustable focus. Or having two separate illuminators. 🤷
Great video, vary informative and in a nice short video.
I'm shocked that the PEQ15 did so much better than the others, that it's much older technology, and that the US military managed to correctly select it as official gear.
@Maximus98351
2 жыл бұрын
It uses laser illuminator tech, that is not available to you thanks to the FDA. Everything new that comes out is neutered. BE Myers gets around this by using multiple low power laser diodes to crank up their power.
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
The full power PEQ has a 45 mW illuminator output, versus the less than 4 mW output of a civilian device like the I2. The KIJI is pushing 150mW but obviously nowhere near as focused.
@MyLonewolf25
2 жыл бұрын
Blame the FDA We’re cucked in power
@sackychin6267
2 жыл бұрын
A Peq2 does better than most of these
@scruggs6633
2 жыл бұрын
That is the level of legal-neutering that the FDA subjects private citizens to. Probably similar to what they would like reflected in civilian legal firearms too. Similar in physical appearance, but in terms of capability, 15+ years behind what exists.
awesome comparisons
Nice job, thanks.
As usual, Informational and helpful to those looking to learn. Did you intend to grow up and be a teacher Hop? Rock On.
PEQ 15 gang
@DevDog67
2 жыл бұрын
Peq 15 seems like it really kicks ass.
Nice vid, yeah I’d lie to see more vids on the Kiji
Love the concise reviews. Thanks Hop. Looking to get either a new Perst 2 or a FP Peq-15 that's nearly new 2021 MFG date. They're within a few hundred dollars of eachother in price (Peq about 300 more). Which would you choose?
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
If you can find a decently priced functional FP PEQ I'd say go for it.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Viridian HS1 IR laser. Seems like a great option to pair with an IR flashlight for a budget training NV rifle/braced pistol.
Very interested in the kiji. Especially paired with civ class ir lasers. From what I can determine via video evidence, it almost seems to 'outshine' a mawl. Which would be impressive.
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
Should have slightly more output power than the civ MAWL, but a less focused beam.
Good ol Grey market pulling through for us. 🥰
The kiji + CQBL combo is about 1500 beans, and you can find FP PEQ's for about that much. As someone that bought the CQBL + kiji, this video is an oof.
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
You can scale the cost back a bit with the OTAL instead of the CQBL. Mine is a total disaster area but if it worked I'd still rather do that.
@maxmatthews2776
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil why the OTAL over the CQBL?
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
@@maxmatthews2776 I have no use for a paired vis laser
@AlwayzPr0
2 жыл бұрын
Why did you get cqbl+? That's more expensive for a vis laser. Otal c is better. Even perst 4
@demosthenessirony4774
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but if you break a full power peq 15 L3 will not repair it for civilians
Good info
Just ordered my PVS-14 setup and it will be countless months until I get it, debating now on my IR Laser/Illum unit. It's between the DBAL I2 9007 or PEQ15. The PEQ is going to run me about $700 more, but I'm really debating if additional strength of the laser and illumination are worth it. I will be shooting at long ranges, so I'm thinking it will be.
@ryanjohn8035
2 жыл бұрын
Spend the money for the best. In this case it’s worth it. Unfortunately the civilian options are screwed due to the FDA. But I can guarantee you a full power peq15 in your arsenal would be worth it.
@theLeadGin
2 жыл бұрын
You'll be disappointed with 9007 especially at distance get the peq or a d².
Damn, thats intense.
Video suggestion: Knock off Wilcox mounts.
Still would like to see the dbal d2 in the comparison.
I'm very confused I was gonna go with surefire head and an stiener cqbl, but im u sure, I was so thinking about stiener d2, what would recommend for an 11.3 set up with an t2, I want to be able to use set up to 100 meters
I've got an old full power Peq-2 and it looks a lot like the full power Peq-15. The difference b/t civilian and full power ones is ridiculous when you compare them side by side. I want something smaller and more up to date, but I'll be damned if I'm going to shell out over $1K for something that doesn't compete with 20 year old technology. Is the Peq-2 in demand for cloners? Maybe I could do a trade.
@maxrieker1591
2 жыл бұрын
PEQ 2s pop up on Facebook gear groups often and are only worth around $700-$900USD depending on condition
@oldscratch3535
2 жыл бұрын
@@maxrieker1591 Its in bad shape, but it works fine. I paid $20 for it so I guess I would probably make a profit. Just not enough to purchase another laser.
@Maximus98351
2 жыл бұрын
Yes extremely. I haven't seen one for sale for a while.
@maxrieker1591
2 жыл бұрын
@@oldscratch3535 I’d probably hang onto it if I were you tbh. They might be the side of a tv remote but if it works without issue, run it.
@ryanjohn8035
2 жыл бұрын
@@oldscratch3535 I’ll give you $50 and friend you on discord for a once a month game session
Last time I suggested that you show a pic of the device near the name/ when you're actually showing the test footage. Coincidentally, "9hole review' did one of these multiple comparisons right after that, and surprisingly, they had done exactly what I suggested.. When you're looking at the test footage, to be able to glance over and see the name and also see a pic right there with it-- it's so much more absorbable.. Maybe editing a pic over footage is hard? idk.. but it's so worth it.. I'm just so terrible with names. lol
I’m new to night vision thing. Do these things do more than have a laser and project the infared light? Can an enemy with night vision see your light/laser. Would I need the NV eye pieces to see the laser?
badass
The arisaka ir 250 head would be an interesting addition. I think it could provide a similar performance to the kiji but with less cost.
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
I tested one out vs the Surefire KM2-C. It's a bit better but not close to the KIJI. And it loses out on the versatility of the vampire.
@basti080891
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil thanks for the input
You ever thought about doing a video on comparing red dot/holo magnifiers?
What's the cheap way to pick up IR emissions from stuff like this? I remember my friend's old camcorder didn't have IR filters and could pick up remote control beams in the dark...
@ChevTecGroup
2 жыл бұрын
Older cell phone cameras would pick up some IR light. The newer ones filter it better especially iPhones.
What is that mount for the Steiner and offset Kiji?
I thought the kiji was illuminator and laser together for some reason.
Was this peq15 civilian and on the market, or did yours "fall off of the table" and suddenly become more powerful?
For science what camera was used to capture this footage and how much moon light was available?
@TheMostH8D
2 жыл бұрын
i too am interested in what camera you use for color night filming.
@Nano0k
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMostH8D I would like to hear more about this moon light. $?
@oldscratch3535
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMostH8D Probably the Sionyx Aurora.
heyo hop, any interest in doing a video on a SW CSX? it kinda looks like a Star Firestar
I know this is a year late, but how does the Kiji compare to a Dbal D2?
Any experience with the Weltool LH2 IR light head?
@boygonewhoopdataZZ
2 жыл бұрын
Weltool LH2 is superior in every way except for the center bright focus light the Kiji has.
Wait does that DBAL have a built in front iron sight 0:13
@Freeman_Gunner
2 жыл бұрын
yep that is the leaf iron sight by railscales
this dudes voice "use" to erk me but dang if he hadnt saved me some money . thanks
All I want is a more focused beam on a SF vampire to pair up with a Perst 4
as a non American once i saw that PEQ-15 is only for LE? how can u grab it?
What mount is on the otal/kiji
@BobBob-il2ku
2 жыл бұрын
Unity hub
What mount were you using to mount the light with the otal?
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
A Unity Fusion Hub, however it puts them kind of off-axis so the laser isn't anywhere close to centered. Mounting them separately worked much better at the cost of an extra oz or two.
@ashiha13
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil Please also consider revisiting the issue at 2:30 after remounting as it seemed that some of the spill on the grass was caused by the KIJI being aimed so much lower. I'm very curious as to your thoughts on the setup as a whole with the KIJI. I'm happy with mine, but like you, I'm having a hell of a time figuring out the button/switch configuration due to poor quality switches being the norm. I'm not sure why it's so hard to make a button with a couple plugs.
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
@@ashiha13 The offest problem is somewhat solved by using separate mounts but the spill is unavoidable.
@Maximus98351
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil I have a tnvc torch on order with adjustable head, so I am curious if this mount will work with that setup any better.
Was that PEQ-15 the military one?
@bass779
2 жыл бұрын
He said full power, so odds are it was originally stolen from the military
@realg787
2 жыл бұрын
Bought with our taxes so is it really stealing?
@bass779
2 жыл бұрын
@@realg787 Taxpayers probably immediately replaced it, so ya
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
I repatriated it from Afghanistan.
@RomeoAirsoft
2 жыл бұрын
Hoplopfheil Got a source on that? Need to cop me one lol
That digital night vision is extremely generous to the PEQ. That's not at all what a PEQ illuminator looks like through actual night vision.
@Hoplopfheil
Жыл бұрын
Depends which PEQ. The pitri dish effect is different on all of them. Also maybe you have an ATPIAL-C which is not a real PEQ.
@Jack-ny7kn
Жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil It was a real PEQ, obtained through an official channel, and brand new from like 2019 I think. The petri dish isn't what I was referring to though (that doesn't really bother me). It's the amount of contrast with the illuminator on high. You don't see that much contrast in real life through a tube. That's where the Kiji, MAWL, NGAL, etc. really are a major game changing improvement is they don't overwhelm the image to the point where there's not enough contrast to see what's going on. I don't think that digital night vision really captured how much better the newer generation of illuminators is in that regard.
@Hoplopfheil
Жыл бұрын
That's interesting because the lack of contrast and poor dynamic range is what makes digital night vision so poor compared to analog.
@Jack-ny7kn
Жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil Yea it surprised me too. I was like wow how does that PEQ look so great? I would write it off as bad eyesight or something except literally everyone as far as I know has the same experience (which is why people pay the big, big, big bucks for the MAWL). If the PEQ and MAWL illuminators were that close in real life I think virtually everyone would just pay the 1100 for a PEQ instead of 4k for the MAWL. I also know the NGAL has the same gen illuminator as the MAWL. If they weren't infinitely better than PEQs then there's no way people would pay 7k for an NGAL vs. 2k for a full power PEQ.
What makes the kiji so more powerful over the dbal?
@asomeguy3000
2 жыл бұрын
Edge emitting laser diode in the dbal is civilian limited to 0.7mW while the vcsel laser array found in the 3° kiji is 150mW.
Get a Luna ELIR-3 for the win. Way more features and performance at less than 1/2 the price. Slave it to your LAM and you are good to go.
@pin_high
2 жыл бұрын
I was actually wondering how the Luna WITH the filter removed would hold up over the KIJI 3. Id imagine the KIJI is far more durable but would be outclassed in IR output.
So yes, I'm an idiot for asking. Why use a wicked expensive night vision/illuminator setup over a powerful gunlight?
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
Wow
So this is the same one as the MAWL? I am wanting a powerful illuminator that is civilian legal just because the real deal is so hard to track down and you have no support if it breaks. The mawl seems to scratch that itch but I want a good illuminator with it.
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
Same tech but the MAWL illuminator should focus to a finer spot
@N-A762
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil Ok good to know I like the finer focus. Is the flood as bad?
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
@@N-A762 The MAWL has close, med, and far modes for the illuminator. Quite a bit more versatile.
@N-A762
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil Ok I have seen that I just wasn't sure on how easy it is to trip auto gain. Ill have to look into it more. Do ever plan on reviewing a MAWL?
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
@@N-A762 Nah, they're insanely expensive.
Mind trying out the triad c2 can’t find almost anything on it
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
It's a rebranded Holosun LS321G
@jalenkellum5773
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil damn I was hoping it’d be better fuck it perst 3 it is
how the hell are you getting military peq boxes? i want one too reeeee
@N-A762
2 жыл бұрын
Right everyone can find them but me haha
i was hoping the KIJI would be a better version of steiner's SPIR but apparently not.
@theLeadGin
2 жыл бұрын
How's it not? I have a kiji 3⁰ with a cqbl and prefer it over my d² which uses the same illuminator as the SPIR. It's divergence is tighter than my d² has less spill smaller and way lighter.
@or6060
2 жыл бұрын
@@theLeadGin spir has no spill and can focus smaller
@theLeadGin
2 жыл бұрын
@@or6060 I own both they have the same amount of "spill". His video makes it look worse because his laser pointer is in the upper portion of the illuminator. The steiner gets 1⁰ tighter. I own both D² (spir) and kiji 3⁰ I prefer the kiji.
@or6060
2 жыл бұрын
@@theLeadGin all the footage i see of the spir is a neat circle
Okay so this is not visible to the naked eye right?
Shots come back to flashlights!
Wow so it really be seeming like _you_ are the best.
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
No IR device could ever outshine you, Mabs.
Dumb question. Who has heard of styropyro and has seen some of his laser projects? I'm not an electronics guy but swapping parts to get more output doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. What's stopping the dbal(?) from being unlocked or upgraded for more output?
@ChevTecGroup
2 жыл бұрын
The hardest part is making is recoil rated. Tons of full power airsoft MFALs out there but none will hold zero on a real rifle.
@joshlast5420
2 жыл бұрын
@@ChevTecGroup That's not necessarily true. SomoGear stuff will easily hold zero on most 5.56 rifles and 9mm SMG's(9mm AR'S are shit and recoil like fuck so that doesn't count). I have personal experience AND I'm not the only one. HOWEVER, not many have tried their stuff on anything with harsher recoil than 5.56 which is admittedly, a very soft shooting round in general.
Still seems like a civvy dbal d2 is the best bang for the buck at around 900-1000$
@theLeadGin
2 жыл бұрын
It probably is, but that huge illuminator is right where I put my light which sucks. I still own one though.
D2 goat
If the kiji had a white light too, it would solve the issue, but with the vampire, I have both
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
The vampire is definitely more versatile. That's the main selling point of a split laser/illuminator to me.
@jimmyvalhalla1939
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil maybe surefire should develop a focusable beam. That would solve the spill issue.
Civilians can’t get full power peq 15s though right?
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
You can
@chrisbenson2430
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil I thought the full power ones were mil/LE only?
Seems like a winner for the peq15. Anyone got a source to find some decently price peq15s?
I wish you would have compared it to the olight Odin Ir
@PHIllip324
2 жыл бұрын
Here's your comparison: lmao
@iornlint
2 жыл бұрын
@@PHIllip324 🤣 🤣 🤣 🇮🇶 🇮🇶 🇮🇶
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#LetsGoBrandon
If only I had an extra five grand laying around...
Hop, I greatly appreciate the lack of regard for wellbeing you have for your bank account.
Your KIJI is horrifically aimed. hold the laser in the bottom of the hot spot. I think BE Meyers should have a way to zero the illuminator coming out soon.
How the heck do you know all this stuff? You're just some sexy operator youre not supposed to be smort. SMH
just buy a mawl lmao
@ChevTecGroup
2 жыл бұрын
Only 3x the price, breaks from normal use and drains batteries when powered off.
@simply_based
2 жыл бұрын
@@ChevTecGroup dont forget the weight
@N-A762
2 жыл бұрын
@@ChevTecGroup Have they been known to break? I have been considering buying one.
@ChevTecGroup
2 жыл бұрын
@@N-A762 the newest generation had not had as many problems as the previous ones did. Though I know all generations will drain batteries when in "OFF" and the newest gen has issues with freezing weather.
@Warhorse556
2 жыл бұрын
@@N-A762 I've had a MAWL for about a year now. It's not the newest version that just came out, but is the version just before that. I've not had battery drain issues at all, and it has been 100% reliable, even in cold weather. I find the illuminator much more usable than my FP PEQ due to how clean the illuminator is. The PEQ, though powerful, is less useful to my eyes. Pretty much all PEQ15's (full power or civi) will have artifacts and/or shadowing in the illuminator. Some are better than others of course, but in my experience it's rare to find a PEQ with a clean illuminator. These imperfections definitely have an effect on positive identification, especially at longer distances. This won't be much of an issue on a square range with pre staged targets, but when you are looking for people or animals against a tree line, in heavy brush, or inside a structure from the outside looking in through a window/doorway, the PEQ artifacts and shadowing can certainly play tricks with your eyes. With the MAWL it's a smooth, even spill. I still like my PEQ for the weight savings and simplicity, but the both have their place. The MAWL is heavy and you definitely won't forget it's on the gun.
What makes the kiji so more powerful over the dbal?
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
I have a vague understanding that not making them focusable means they can pump out more power while staying within the legal limits for civilian devices.
@dan34246
2 жыл бұрын
The DBAL uses edge emitting laser diodes, while the Kiji and Mawl use VCSEL based laser diodes. My understanding of it is that the edge emitting diodes only uses one laser diode that is limited to civ levels, while VCSEL use many small diodes that are each civilian power, and combined they create a much more powerful beam while still technically remaining civilian legal. Not sure how correct that is though, so take that for what it is
@oldscratch3535
2 жыл бұрын
@@dan34246 Is there any way to "jailbreak" these civilian powered lasers? Is the laser head itself regulated to a specific output or is all of that done through circuitry that could be manipulated? I guess what I'm asking is, is the laser unit in a civ legal device the same as a full power one, but just limited by voltage/amps delivered to the laser unit?
@dan34246
2 жыл бұрын
@@oldscratch3535 it’s possible, but not attainable by most people. I’ve seen a couple of hacked atpial c’s, but to get there you need to know certain people in certain units with access to the necessary software. So not an option for 99% of us
@oldscratch3535
2 жыл бұрын
@@dan34246 So there's an actual chip inside with software onboard? I would think it would all be done by regulating voltage through various SMD's.