When you read the documentation once:

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Who reads documentation? Kidding! You’re the real pro.

@samueljehanno

Жыл бұрын

😯

@MemesterTheMaster

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand how people have difficulties understanding the documentation.... As long as you think, you are doing fine But read the thing.

@GetOffMyPhoneGoogle

Жыл бұрын

TempleOS is still superior.

@originalbinaryhustler3876

Жыл бұрын

thanks am going to read the docs

Ngl, calling people a noob is kinda a noob thing to do

@antonevstigneev846

Жыл бұрын

yep, because he is also a noob who doesn’t even use List comprehension

@the_w0nderful43

Жыл бұрын

I put dislike on both of your comments

@the_w0nderful43

Жыл бұрын

Noob noob noob

@jackmillen

Жыл бұрын

@@the_w0nderful43 Okay. Have a nice day!

@mettwasser

Жыл бұрын

​@@antonevstigneev846 why in ther world would he use a list comp here..? xd

Frankly, as long as you write clean, readable code, you're a pro to me, regardless of your knowledge of python's forensics. ❤️

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

That’s a fair take.

@wonderfulworldofmarkets9033

Жыл бұрын

So I went down a rabbit hole with this one. At first I thought that enumerate is worse since in assembly, its a jmp and then iterating pointer and assigning vs just iterating and assigning. Turns out in newer version of Python they have made enumerate faster than reading and assigning!

@kevinwoodrobotics

6 ай бұрын

yeah clean code makes a huge difference

@Haja024

Ай бұрын

​@@geekzombie8795 Some people enjoy gaining knowledge, Brad.

The other two ways are perfectly acceptable in other languages and may even be easier to read so I have no issue with them.

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Ok, you win! But now people know they all exist :D

@derickd6150

6 ай бұрын

Yeah honestly this is why I hate python 😂

@juliodonofreo

6 ай бұрын

Other languages actually have a numeric for loop, and not the odd range() thing. Don't get me wrong, python's for is good and works for everything, but this range() thing is weird

@specter538

3 ай бұрын

​@@juliodonofreo I too was really frustrated with python's for loop in the beginning. But there's a way around it. For example writing something like, for i in range(1,10,2): print(i) Is the same as writing, for(int i=1;i

@tegathemenace

24 күн бұрын

​@@specter538 in their heads it's shorter😂. Anything to stay unique I guess

I've been coding python for more decades than I care to admit and if someone used the first two I wouldn't think they're "noobs", it's perfectly fine. Or conversely, that using the enumerate function is anything to show off about. The fact you think it's advanced says more about you than anything else.

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Hey Tophat! I can appreciate your reaction. This short is just intended to be funny. I intentionally went over the top with the "noob" stuff just to make it more interesting in hopes that people would learn something new. Sorry if it came across too harsh.

@tophat593

Жыл бұрын

@@robmulla Oh, now I feel mean! I obviously got the wrong end of the stick, apologies. Don't worry in the slightest, enumerate is a nice solid thing to teach learners for sure, very handy. If I'm honest, it's what I use by default.

@jacckkaboii3528

Жыл бұрын

@@tophat593 most humble argument in the youtube comment section to date.

@mast3rvnzla

Жыл бұрын

😊

@lucasalvarani1724

Жыл бұрын

​@@jacckkaboii3528 true

meanwhile c/c++, c#, java, js and many others: "iterating over a list? nah havent heard of it"

@koam_

Ай бұрын

bro has never heard of a foreach loop 💀

@gandalfthegrey2777

12 күн бұрын

Bro

Enumerate looked so complicated to me at first when I was a total beginner. Now I kinda feel stupid, it's super easy. But feeling stupid is part of being a programmer I guess.

@monolith757

Жыл бұрын

No, you just stupid, I guess. Kidding!

Really? Youre going to shame people for using the "for i in range"? It is a core concept in Python, and does exactly what it needs to. Can you give a technical reason for *why* you shouldnt use "for i in range"?

@skylo706

Ай бұрын

There is none. He shows a solution to a different problem when you have a list of objects you want to iterate and do something with. His use case/example has nothing to do with it and is just slower

@michaelbarker6460

Ай бұрын

NOOB!! Jk I don't even code. I don't know why I'm here.

@andrewtate8792

Ай бұрын

😂😂​@@michaelbarker6460

@gandalfthegrey2777

12 күн бұрын

​@@skylo706nah what he did is exactly what you do with i in range Entire video is just satire

Don't be a noob, don't code in python :)

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

checkmate!

@lawrencedoliveiro9104

Жыл бұрын

I think we can spot the C♯/Java/PHP crowd, can’t we?

@nathanaelmccooeye3204

Жыл бұрын

heyyyHEEYYYWHOAWHOAWHOA!

@JimMaz

Жыл бұрын

How long did it take you to code this comment?

@marktuggle5609

Жыл бұрын

Malboge is the only language for me.

the real noob thing would be to not mention why this would be better and why people should care

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

You’re right!

@bobby9192

Жыл бұрын

@@robmulla noob

@xsardas1999

6 ай бұрын

I'm a noob both in English and python but. Usually builtin functions in python are faster since they use lower level language. Thus when you use enumerate counters are being assigned in C. If you move this assignment into a python script by using variable inside the loop. You make it a tiny bit slower that cans tack for bigger lists. Same goes for len, you have to access index of the variable every time instead just getting it from the builtin function. And if you just need index and not content itself, you can always use throwaway variable "_"

@shahidpathan9295

5 ай бұрын

Should i go for c or python i agree im a total noob but suggest me

@lpalaguachi2

4 ай бұрын

​@@shahidpathan9295 I've been coding for only like a month, but in my opinion you should learn Python before learning C

C language family devs: look at what they need to do to mimic a fraction of out power!

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

We only wish we in the python community had your power! 😂 luckily all the good python packages use C backend code.

@mage3690

6 ай бұрын

As a C guy, I much prefer the "for .. in" construct. _Most_ use cases could just use the "for .. in" construct. Is it too much to ask for both the "for ( ; ; ) { }" _and_ the "for .. in" construct in the same language? That's what I'd like.

@Abraham_doestech

6 ай бұрын

​@@mage3690macro / ifdef

I see you have spiced thing up come 2023. It is fun to watch. Love to see you work hard everyday with all the shorts and streams. I see that the freq of streams have increased. This motivates me to work harder! Thank you GM!!

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. I tried to take a different “tone” in this video. I thought it was funny. Glad it motivates you! Keep working hard!

“Sorry the counter method is just because I’m so used to writing assembly in embedded systems, take that noob”

Then I am "Pro Noob", because I use any of these methods at will 😂😂😂

But why is it so much better? Does it help improve Data management? Is it faster? does it have any substantial advantege against just going through an Loop with the iterable Object range?

@moonlightaria968

Жыл бұрын

performance wise there doesn't seem to be much different, main advantages is its more explicit and shorter line wise, but these tend to minor concerns, it also has the advantage for working on iterables without indexes when that case comes up

@aocs13

Жыл бұрын

It’s easier to work with, let’s say you want to access the index or use it to relate to some data inside a list or a dictionary, is easier to access it with enumerate.

@Beeftitan

11 ай бұрын

It's not better it likely works like the range does but looks "cleaner "

@lucaxtshotting2378

6 ай бұрын

yes. You have both the index and the iterated item. You don't have to worry about how to access the item with an index. It might also be faster too. Probably not though.

@lucaxtshotting2378

6 ай бұрын

@@aocs13 you should not use indexes to access dictionary items. You should use the key. If the key is the index you should use a list.

This was really helpful for my 5th grade python on-paper test, thx!

as a c++ user, i find it hard to believe this isn't common knowledge lmao

@818de60

Жыл бұрын

It is

@smieszkipikczers1568

Жыл бұрын

It is common AF

@818de60

Жыл бұрын

@@smieszkipikczers1568 ur mom common af

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

hah. yea I guess we all have something to learn.

Me watching the video: Doesn't enumerate come from itertools tho? Me after a quick Google search: Oh nice, it's a built-in function

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Hey! You learned something. Nice.

**it doesnt say shit**

If your only goal was to take a list, give it indexes, and print it you could just do this: print(list(enumerate(todo_list))) You can lose the loop, it entails unnecessary overhead for loop control. You had unnecessary string manipulation with the call to the .title() which also cost time. The print function you use in the loop introduces overhead because of the underlying system calls it makes. Making multiple prints can be slower than a single print, especially if there's a lot of data to print.

Enumerate is awesome but sometimes you really just need an index, and so range(len(Object)) works just fine

@msschubi

Жыл бұрын

But you get the index with enumerate? or did i get this wrong?

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Good point. There are many ways, true. Whatever suits your fancy!

@kingoreo7050

Жыл бұрын

@@msschubii guess if you are only using the index then enumerate is a waste of time because you only need the index, not the actual value

@Pilosofia

Жыл бұрын

for i in enumerate(list): ........

@blackscrow

Жыл бұрын

​@@Pilosofiano, that doesn't work iirc

Im just starting and I had to do something similar today for my work and this appears, thanks!

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Glad it could help.

I am a noob. Still learning.

I found it like 3 or 2 weeks ago by mistake and it’s really nice function

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

love it!

When noobs tell noobs how to code:

python tips with davie504 style xD

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

SLAP LIKE NOW!

from double noob, to python pro just like that, oh boy what a day.

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

It’s almost too easy…

I'm really used to writing in c and c++, I didn't even knew of the enumerate function! Looks pretty handy

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Glad you learned something!

Bro every type of these videos explaining how to do something a "better" way in code gets spammed with comments calling the creator of the video a clown 😭

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Is that bad or good? I know it's good for engagement....

@faremir

6 ай бұрын

I'l give you example. I had to hire two new junior devs as our team grew in past month or so. We had over 300 applicants and few of them had coding channels like these. Every single one was presenting themselves like seniors with 15 years of experience and weren't even able to write proper djisktra. You're better watching people like DavesGarage instead of pseudo-helpful channels like this.

@Michael-ty2uo

6 ай бұрын

@@robmulla it’s Bad if you have a community calling you a clown it’s good for short term engagement but horrible for long term engagement.

I thought you were going to use the index lol for things in mylist: print(list.index(things), ',' ,things )

POV: U've learned a knew thing & excited 2 teach ppl abt it...

I was literally writing code for this a minute ago, I go on shorts and I see my solution!

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

haha. I love that! But it's also a little bit scary.

Oh, I didn’t know Python was a real programming language 😂

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Yea. That’s a different issue altogether 😊

@koleso1v

Жыл бұрын

It is not, it is just a wrapper. All heavy libraries are written in C anyway.

@Skaffa

Жыл бұрын

@@koleso1v blablabla

Yeah let me just call a function for every tiny thing in my programing life so I don't get called a noob in a KZread short.

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Now you’re getting the idea!

"No, don't do this this way, we already have a built in function for ya"

Hey man thanks for this! Helps make it a whole lot easier.

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the positive feedback. A lot of people seemed to miss the joke. The point was to teach something new.

I am certified noob.

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Plot twist: I’m actually a triple noob…. I use all three sometimes. Video is meant to be in a joking manner. Hopefully it comes across that way 😂

My code might not be efficient, looks like a three year old coded it. But you know what it works for what I want with it. And that in the end is what matters

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

I like this take. You do you! Video was meant to be funny and teach something new but I 100% agree with you.

@pfuhad3760

Жыл бұрын

I agree 100%

Why did someone decide Python was necessary? lol.

Counters can be especially useful because they can be used to increment several variables at once.

Python is dope

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

That we can agree on.

Im a week into my Python self learning - 90% of what he said was gibberish I’ll eventually start it all 😂

Me: I am not noob 😃 He: DOUBLE NOOB!!!

Are we just gg to ignore the "eat brains" 😳 😳💀💀

@testtester3249

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

You were the first one to catch it!

fun fact about enumerate.. it's essentially a counter so it's equal to the double noob solution.

Syntactic sugar is nice, but honestly, a simple loop counter, either manually or by means of the "for"-statement, is verbose and does not add a ton of clutter or overhead. If you actually need the counter and especially if you do maths with is, I feel a dedicated variable serves you much better.

This was literally the first thing I learnt when doing my python course.

If you think, doing this make you expert then you are certified noob!

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Then a noob I am! 😊

@Rajarikamvamshi

10 ай бұрын

Same here

as a machine learning engineer I see this as an absolute win, I think

I am that double noob. I'm subscribing right away!

Now build it in c++

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

😶

Glad there are multiple ways to do it.

Why does he kinda sound like mordecai from regular show

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

My kids would love to hear that! lol

My professor would flip if i used that.

Well... Under the hood it's basically doing the same thing. I suppose the code is more pythonic, but it only really improves readability if you're familiar with enumerate. Still a neat tip.

Crazy co-incidence. I rarely code but had to do a few things and used this method noting it was different from the "counter" methods. Pretty cool.

Dead giveaway you’re a noob: using inbuilt functions for everything

This helps me to remember functions.

Don’t be a noob, use a f-string, don’t be a noob don’t code in toy languages, code in c++, don’t be a noob code in C, don’t be a noob code in asm don’t be a noob code in binary

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

01110101010101 01010101001010 1010100000010101 -> Sorry if the noob thing came off the wrong way, I was trying to make it over the top as a joke.

If you're incrementing a counter, odds are you just got done coding something in java or c

all pros start with printing 75 poop emojis

The funny thing is that in all the other languages I have used, the index variable is required in a for loop header

You learn enumerate in your first programming course within the first 2 weeks. You can tell a real noob when they use enumerate for no reason and don't even use the indexes in their loop.

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

It’s a joke bruh 😂

N00b : Doing things the hard way! Pro : just use built-in functions

literally need this right now !

As soon as you said it I blurted out ENUMERATE, still watched to the end to see if you came up with something better tho lol

You're a true artist.

I believe there are more than one way to achieve a result. You go with the one you're comfortable with.

Thanks! U remember me about enumerate function❤

when the teacher said no library 💀

I honestly hate python for loops so much, why couldn't they leave it as C, java, etc for loops?

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. What do you hate about them?

Loved the applied noob concept

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

As a noob myself I know a thing or two about it :D

I felt very attacked lol

Learned this pretty early on, quite often though I wouldn’t care about the index, like your first print example, so it would have been cleaner and more straightforward to do it the “noob” way

i read that as "be a python bro"

I am CERTIFIED GURU now!

I am meta-noobing. For when double-noob isn't sufficient noobification.

I am a noob started learning python just for fun recently. Hope I can become a pro one day.

thumbs up for the san andreas bgm

When it works, it works.

Me, the Haskell cultist: zip the entire stream of integers to the list, lift that function postcomposed with putStrLn, and then sequence/commutate the Traversable list with the Monad IO.

C programmer after watching this video(They just called noob):

I follow you 'cos you name and shame! 🤣🤣🤣I know I was under the table by the time you finished!

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

😶 I shame myself most!

Learning control flow in any language is prerequisite calling yourself a noob)

Even better in a comprehension.

Not me over here using the zip function and range(len(list)) 😂

Literally every tutorial I've ever seen showed me the noob ways. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

My tutorials have a lot of noob stuff in them too. Nobody is perfect!

bro pissed so many people lmaoo

Or you're not a noob because you're coming from an actual programming language that isn't as amazingly nice and friendly to use as python is.

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

You got me! 😃

As long as there isn't a difference in performance, I'll take easy to read code over pro code.

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

You do have a point there.

Well that is a built in function that can do that... but it is VERY slow in big lists, and can dramatically slow a program down with no clear sign of what is slowing things down

I came here for the noob code, tysm

Already knew it ❤ but still loved it

I am a beginner and a noob in the python language. I will be a pro pythonista someday.

I can’t even do the first and second yet, so I’m super noob !!! But now I know Enumerate !!

@robmulla

Жыл бұрын

ultra pro!!

@tech-learner4555

11 ай бұрын

​Ultra pro here😂❤

He said use enumerate its convenient and easy to use.

If it works, it works

wait wait waiiit, then we can use index and value of array itens in the same scope??? broo that's insane, thank u!

Python is a toy taken way too serious. Python Pro = professional tinkerer.

Enumerate is literally covered in the 3rd or 4th lecture in most Python for Humanities courses (I've taken one as a linguistics student back in the days, but I have seen the detailed curriculum for a bunch of others). Those courses teach you to make primitive scripts suitable for small data processing and nothing else. Knowledge of enumeration does not "un-noob" you anyhow 😂