The sheer amount of effort to compare all of these units is enormous. Hats off to you sir, for helping me decide which all-in-one to get. First class content, as always.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

So glad it was helpful! 🙂🙂

@jcap8391

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound What do you think about Jds Labs element 3?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I haven't heard it. I've been unable to get review units from JDS

@jcap8391

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound wait you did a review for the Jds Labs element 2😑

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Yes, a channel patron sent it over for me to try. I reached out to JDS after that but they weren't interested ☹️

Love these comparos! Not that I'm gonna be able to own one of these anytime soon. Crunching all of it down without staring at a teleprompter and maintaining that tempo itself is praiseworthy. And then all the behind-the-scenes work and putting it all in context... Kudos for the efforts and finesse👍🏽

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

So glad you liked it! 🙂🙂 Definitely was a challenging one to pull together, film and edit - that's for sure!

Really great video,thanks !

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Thank you a lot for this comparison. It may sound cynical but this helped me to decide to go for a stack and shelll out more money but be happier in the long run.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Glad I could help and I think you've made exactly the right choice!

Great, that you used the Arya stealth for testing. Would you recommend any of these all-in-ones for the Arya SE, or should I look into stacks at the same price range? (Like ifi sig HFM stack)

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I'd personally go for separates in most cases, but the EF400 will be a great match for the Aryas if you don't need extra bells and whistles. Keep in mind that the Aryas are an exceptionally capable headphone and will easily scale with higher end gear so ideally a stack like the Burson Composer and Soloist or a Conductor GT would be even better

Thanks Lachlan - this is legendary mate. With the Fiio - could you recommend a good amp to improve the sound like you mentioned?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! I'd go with something like the Singxer SA-1 for a great setup with lots of versatility.

I have been more than happy with my DX5. It has settled in as my desktop preamp for my Adam T8V speakers and serves as an amazing headphone amp for a number of cans that I use. I'm surprised by your thoughts on the DAC being possibly too high quality for this price point. Do you think this DAC holds its own with other DACs from $400-$700?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Glad you're enjoying your DX5! It's definitely a nice option at its price. As for the DAC, I don't think it's too good for the price so much as that I think the DAC is slightly better than the amp stage in the DX5 so it performs even better when driving external amps or active speakers (as you're experiencing with your Adams). I did a big all-in-one roundup a while back, but I can't remember where I placed the DX5 from a DAC-only point of view. I'd imagine that it's competing with $400-500 DACs

Great review! I am looking for a DAC AMP to drive Hifiman Susvara and DCA Stealth. Would you say the Burson Conductor 3X GT which you also reviewed is superior to all options in this video?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! The Conductor GT (either 3 or 3X) is amazing and the best all-in-one I've heard other than the TT2. It's very hard to find a better single-box solution IMO

Great review. Thank you for doing all this work and then providing us your opinions on the units. The problem with reviews like this is the use of the word 'slight this' and 'slight that'. Again, you said "buy what you prefer" or "what sounds good to you". Since most of us do not have the money to have all those units in our house to test the sound between them we really rely on folks like you to provide us with your opinion. Again, your opinion. Not a knock at all. I say that since I had the K9 Pro and the SMSL iii and I sent the SMSL 3 back. Yes, great sound from both, and if I am being honest, the SMSL iii did sound 'slightly' better. However, for me, when I tested MY collection of headphones and IEM's the K9 Pro, TO MY EARS, sounded better across a host of IEM's I own (about 12 ranging in price from 20.00 US to around 300.00 US) and headphones (about 6 pairs ranging in price from 70.00 to $400.00). Again, across MY headphones and IEMs the K9 Pro was preferred. Slightly. The 'blackness of the sound floor" and the extra power I had in my 300 Ohm headphones when plugged into the K9 Pro was the deciding factor. I felt the higher impedance headphones I own just sounded fuller and had more 'oomph' to them vs. the SMSL iii. I do feel if either the K9 Pro or SMSL iii was on my desk, I would kick neither off. Both sounded really good. ZERO knocks on the SMSL iii. If I can get the SMSL on sale, I would buy it just so I had two great-sounding units to switch between but I would limit the SMSL iii to IEMs and under 300 Ohm headphones. Again, a great review and thank you for putting in all the work you did and sharing it with us.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

This hobby is tricky for making decisions based on reviews. I always recommend that people watch a bunch of videos from multiple reviewers to get a handle on whose preferences are closest to yours or at least get a consistent sense of how you differ. Glad you're enjoying the K9 - it's a great device!

@DigitalDave65

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Completely agree! I like your reviews as they are off the 'hype train' and instead of just 'this is awesome use the link below so I get a cut', you simply state what you feel about the topic you are covering. Much respect. I am really enjoying the K9 Pro but, again I will be picking up the MK3 at some point. I am at a point where I just want to listen to my music again and these two units allow me to do just that.

Thank you very much for your work, it is always a great help! Which of all do you think combines better with the ZMF VC and Atrium? Thank you very much!

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Glad I could help! The VC and Atrium work great with anything so I would probably go with the M500 Mk3 given that the EF400 doesn't seem to play as well with high impedance cans for some reason. That said, if you have more budget and space, a simple set of separates would do even better again.

@victorgarrido5060

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Thank you very much for the reply! Yes, seeing your review I was also leaning towards the SMSL m500. The problem is that I have the possibility of buying a second-hand Chord Mojo 2, so between the SMSL and the Chord I don't know which one to choose 😭😭

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Mojo 2 will sound better if you're ok with the less "desktop" form factor

Just got my M500 mkiii over a week ago and I love it! Sounds exactly how you described and never gets hot. Such and awesome device and I’m having no problems driving my planars with it. Best purchase I’ve made all year. I’ve been looking for someone to finally review it, to see if I’m not the only one loving it. Thank you for the awesome review! Fully recommend the SMSL M500 Mkiii to everyone

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked the video and thanks for confirming my thoughts on the M500! Always nice to know I'm hearing things the same way as others. It's a brilliant unit. So glad you're enjoying it

@KitaristChannel

Жыл бұрын

Hey man can you post a video clip how it sounds? Just for reference. Thanks :)

@jcap8391

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound I like the form factor of the m500 it doesn't take up as much space. I will consider it since you liked it. I've purchased items and headphones on mainly your reviews and never seem to disappoint. I might troll you sometimes but you are my favorite audio reviewer ✌️👍

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I don't post sound clips, Kitarist, because they're actually misleading due to the fact that it's travelling via an ADC (as line in or via a mic), through KZread compression, into your source chain and out your headphones or speakers. Any characteristics of that very long signal path could positively or negatively impact the sound of any of these devices resulting in you thinking one is preferable over another when, in fact, it just happened to have the right synergy with that extended signal path.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Glad I can help, J Cap. The trolling mustn't be too bad because it hasn't stood out to me as particularly "trolly" 😁

Great comparison review of these units. I bought the K9 Pro ESS last spring based on your review and also DMS. It's a great piece of kit, especially the DAC that I use with the Ferrum stack.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

That would be a great setup with the Ferrums!

Very good review man!🤘🏽

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! So glad you liked it 🙂🙂

I am not a headphone listener but am Interested in the M500 MkIII to use as a DAC. So switching won't be a hassle for me. I am wondering if there are sonic improvements/changes in comparison to the MKII

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I haven't compared with the Mk2, but the changes listed in the marketing materials should all make noticeable sonic differences. It's an excellent device IMO

What an incredible comparison mate.! Thank you so much for your efforts.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure. I'm glad it was helpful 🙂🙂

Great stuff! Would the ares 2 be better matched with an headphone amp then the ef400 on its own? For arya v3, quad era 1, dt 1990 plus iems?

@EricRosenfield

Жыл бұрын

From what I understand, the EF400 only has digital inputs so you can’t use it with a different DAC

@flix-rd9ci

Жыл бұрын

@@EricRosenfield i ment will the ares 2 combined with an amp better then then ef400 in and outputs aside

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I'm not a massive fan of the Ares II, but I'm pretty confident that it's better than the EF400 DAC because the Ares II is at the Bifrost 2 kind of performance level and the EF400 doesn't get there

So is this review for the sound quality for the headphones or will you get a similar experience using these dacs with a separate preamp with active monitors?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

You'll almost always find that the performance via headphones is the same as the performance as a preamp. In a few cases (like the FiiO K9 Pro ESS) the performance is even better as a preamp. Just jump to my discussion of the DAC performance of these to get a sense of preamp performance

How does this compare to directly plugging into the desktop PC with a modern mid to high end mainboard? Are they all so much better? (Assume desktop output is more than loud enough)

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The sound quality is vastly better from these devices compared to even high quality mainboards. I'd definitely recommend checking one of these out to experience the difference

Thank you for all your informative reviews. I am getting an open box Focal Clear mg at a good price and need to get a DAC/AMP. Will the SMSL 500 MKIII be a good match or will it undercut the performance that the Clear mg is capable of? Thanks to any/all for help.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Nice one! The M500 Mk3 will be nice, but you would get better performance from higher end gear if you have the budget. There's nothing wrong with starting with the M500 and upgrading down the track though. You could add an amp later and use the M500 as a DAC where it's quite strong

@postol343

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Okay...taking your advice and going for better performance. Schiit BiFrost 2/64 and Jotunheim 2. Thought about a Singzer SA-1 and also an aio Burson Conductor xp. Went with Schiit as I'm in the US so if problems easy to send in repairs and 5 year warranty plus I like lots of slam:) TY for having such a great channel.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Enjoy your great new stack!

Great review! I am looking for a DAC/AMP to drive Denon D7200. Burson Playmate 2 or Topping Dx5 which of it do you recommend?

@PassionforSound

2 ай бұрын

I haven't tried the Playmate 2, but it's the one I'd choose because it's got a discrete output stage using the excellent Burson op-amps

I went with the Fiio K9 Pro ESS, thanks great content.

@PassionforSound

3 ай бұрын

It's a great device, especially as a DAC and pre-amp. Enjoy!

Waiting for something like that for ages. Thanks.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure. I hope it was helpful 🙂🙂

Thanks a lot for the review. I am still hesitating between the M500 and the Ifi Gryphon...(quite different I know). Can some of you share the way you stream your DAC/headphone amp please? I am tempted by a dedicated android phone with micro sd + UAPP app for cca 250 bucks. Better option than this is the same type of price range? cheers.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Hi Streps, I don't have any direct recommendations, but keep in mind that you will need to charge the phone to keep it running and the USB socket will be busy outputting the signal to your DAC. You might need to consider other options like a Raspberry Pi or similar.

@Strepsil

Жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks a lot/ Your feedback is very much appreciated. I guess I'll need to use a phone as a remote for the raspberry pi anyway for volumio or whatever else. I was considering a dedicated phone to stream therefore I do not really mind to have my usb socket busy or directly use BTooth. Search for the best option still ongoing...Cheers

Was wondering what the Fiio sounds like via balanced XLR to a pair of studio monitors like the Dynaudio BM15A's ??

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The DAC in the K9 Pro ESS is excellent so you'll get fantastic performance with powered monitors

@StephenMcGregor1986

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound thanks 🙂

So will the k9 pro perform better with a separate preamp just using the k9 pro for the dac the using a example gustard p26 to adjust volume is the k9 pro worth getting if you plan on getting a separate preamp?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Yep. The K9 is one of the rare products where it's DAC and preouts are noticeably better than the HP output

For the k9 pro I want to pair it with a gustard p26 preamp and run 2 focal alpha twin evo active monitors will the k9 pro be a good option for a 2 ch setup

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

It should do a really nice job. You could probably do the same for less by getting a dedicated DAC without all the extra features and amp, but it depends on your needs

Thank you so much for this! I've been in "dac/amp research Hell" for a few days now, and I'd narrowed down to (many) Topping devices, SMSL and HifiMan. Never heard of the M500 - But now that's the easy choice for me. That quickly solved my headaches. I'm using Focal Utopia and HE1000SE. I also needed Bluetooth, so that's great. The extra sound settings are very appealing too. Cheers!

@MarcLie90

2 ай бұрын

Happy with it?

@adamgreenhill110

2 ай бұрын

@@MarcLie90 I heard about some issues with M500 after this, ended up getting a used SMSL SU-9. It was okay but I wasn't super happy with it. Now I have a Ferrum stack and an empty wallet but I'm happy lol

@PassionforSound

2 ай бұрын

Haha. It's like that

Thanks for your detailed review - I was looking at the EF400 - wasn't aware of the shortcomings

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, me either. It's still a great device, but not quite as great as I first thought

Wow this is awesome. Am sure you must have long sessions with coffee and listening. I have got (thanks to you) bifrost 2 with soloist and ef400. B2 with soloist definitely better sounds to my ears. I really love the laid back nature of ef400 with hifiman headphones. You are 💯 right about running out of volume when i am using the focal clear balanced(again thanks to you) i find the maximum at 9 o clock. That is why am using 6.35 connection.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it and glad I've been able to help with your setup! This one was definitely a long time in preparation and listening sessions, but it was a fascinating journey that didn't go as I expected on multiple occasions

@urbenkam

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound I never lost interest while listening to it even the video was long (it's supposed to be long) relevant points. I think a lot of people will get help in deciding from this. I read in one of the forms, a post from official hifiman. They said that if you get a good power supply with this will enhance the quality of the sound. What i love about bifrost is their unison usb that really is silent. I am looking at jitterbug which potentially can bring clear signal to ef400. Not sure if that is going to make any difference. Also i think many of us(viewers) forget that each device might sound good on it's on but when you start comparing than it is a different game. plus people can get touchy especially if they have bought a unit. They want all praise.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! None of these are disappointing on their own, but each has its clear strengths and weaknesses when compared.

If you had to pick one all in one of the dac'amps above in combination with the Hifiman He-1000V2 Stealth which one would you pick? The M500? Thanks for your time and great review

@PassionforSound

10 ай бұрын

EF400 for pure sound quality. M500 for a more versatile device.

@DJTHEFONZ

10 ай бұрын

@@PassionforSound The HE 1000 Stealth has a treble that I would like to smooth out. What would you recommend? Or do I get that result with the MK 500 and some EQ maybe? Or is the Topping DX7 pro plus or the Fiijo K9 Pro Ess maybe the one to get a warmer bass and a smoother treble?

@PassionforSound

10 ай бұрын

There's no all-in-one that will make a significant difference without EQ so I'd still go for the EF400 or M500.

Thanks for the reviews, I can lose hours catching up on your output! 😊 I have the Edition XS headphones so purchased the EF400 after this shoot out, but unfortunately was seriously underwhelmed! It could be I was expecting too much from an AIO to replace my existing DAC and separate amp - which was SPL Phonitor One (now RebelAmp) and Soncoz SQ thingy (little square box £199, lovely!). Now I really don’t know which way to go DAC wise, is the SGD1 really an upgrade, it looks on appear to have lots of interesting improvements, should I try a £500 DAC from Topping/SMSL et al? I’ve bought a Bifrost 2 on the spur of the moment and compared and really it isn’t all that good for classical, loses too many details - the Soncoz is far more textured and resolving to my ears. The RebelAmp is amazing (another eBay find!) and the green monster is definitely a keeper… but where to DAC wise so I can itch the latest bout of upgradeitis! Does the antipodean maestro have any advice for this confused Brit…😊

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Sorry you were disappointed in the EF400. Unfortunately, AIOs rarely stack up to an equivalently priced stack or individual device (DAC/amp only). I don't know the Soncoz you had/have, but the SGD1 is great and I've got a review coming. I don't recommend a Topping or SMSL over the SGD1 - that much I'm already clear on. I may have one other option that's a new entry in the market, but I haven't seen or heard it yet. I'll be comparing it with the SGD-1 in that review so stay tuned and hold off with the purchase if you can so I can hopefully provide more context and info for you. Also, with the Bifrost 2, is it the newer 2/64 version or the prior one? The update has really helped to pull out those extra details

@timwoodward3381

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound thanks for the tantalising info on whats coming up, I shall hold off for a while and await details of the newcomer with eagerness! I’m finding the only way to decide these things in your own system with your own ears is to hopefully buy second hand and pass on or buy new and return if things don’t work out! Looking forward to the newcomer and hope it does well in your comparison review. The Bifrost 2 is the OG version picked up on eBay, and I’m thinking that adding the 64bit card (for it seems £300) would take it nearly into the realm of some pretty interesting DACs, I’m happy around the £500-700 price bracket for this round of upgrades I think. I’m sure it’s a great DAC as everyone seems to say so, its maybe that the Rebel has all the organic feel I need and maybe the DAC in this instance needs to be as clear and precise as possible, without being harsh, which is a neat trick to pull off! Thanks for coming back so quickly, I’ll keep an eye on your notifications… 👍😊

@PavlosPapageorgiou

Жыл бұрын

Same headphones, I'll let you know what I think of the m500 when it arrives. I was considering the EF400 based on Passion's review. What aspect of it don't you like with the Edition XS?

@timwoodward3381

Жыл бұрын

@@PavlosPapageorgiou it’s just not that revealing, pleasant enough but I would say the little Soncoz DAC @ £175-199 paired with a £350 amp like the SPL Phonitor One does a much better job at retrieving the detail and presenting it in a more dynamic way. I have since given the Bifrost 2 another week or two in my system and my initial thoughts have completely changed! After deciding to sell it on and putting the Soncoz qxd1 back in to the mix it was obvious the Schiit was doing something right the Soncoz wasn’t quite managing. The little Soncoz does extract lots of detail but after listening to the Bifrost 2 for a few weeks it was obvious it too had the detail, but presented it in a much deeper soundstage. The Soncoz was a flatter delivery, all on one plane, which can seem like more information… I suppose this is the sort of thing that improves as you go up the ladder with what are pretty much all excellent products theses days, the delivery, soundstage, height, placement of instruments etc is what improves 😊

@PavlosPapageorgiou

Жыл бұрын

@@timwoodward3381 The m500 mkIII just arrived and aw, it's such an improvement! It drives the Edition XS properly, the sound is punchy, expansive, and overall satisfying. It has the same cleanness and detail but also resonance! I listen in high gain and about -24dB with default filter and color. Crystal seems harsh but I could like the Tube sound colors to calm down some content. It certainly feels like I'm getting the value out of the headphones and DAC/amp with the m500. I also love the industrial design and I think it provides finer volume increments. If I'd bought the m500 in the first place I wouldn't be looking for an upgrade, but I'm still intrigued about the EF400. Now I'm wondering what to do with the EX5 and its underwhelming amp. Either return it of fit the Bluetooth antenna and use it as a DAC with my room amp to play music from my phone through speakers (which I almost never do).

First of all thank you for your videos, I really appreciate the reviews as they are very helpful! What do you think is the best match for Hifiman HE1000 V2 Stealth? I am torn between EF400 and Fiio K9 Pro. I am also planning on getting a pair of monitor speakers so I am leaning more towards the Fiio K9 Pro since it has a pre-amp and I can control the speakers' volume. On the other hand other reviewers such as Joshua Valour, prefers the EF400 for HE1000 V2 Stealth but EF400's analogue output is always on so I need a preamp for it(looking at Topping Pre90 right now) which would mean more money to spend on. Do you have other recommendations? I might also consider a DAC/Amp stack solution but the problem is I am not sure if it will be a good match for HE1000 V2 Stealth.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Of the two you mentioned, I would choose the K9 Pro because its DAC is excellent and it's better suited to your speaker usage. However, its amp is only average so you might want to add a separate headphone amp later (similar to needing a preamp with the EF400). The EF400 is nice, but it's still a fairly budget unit and performs accordingly when compared to higher end gear. I think, for the money you're spending, I'd recommend a nice stack like the SMSL HO200/DO200 or similar. The SMSL M500 Mk3 is another good option as an all-in-one that has almost as good of a DAC as the FiiO and almost as good an amp as the EF400 (speaking about their subjective sound quality)

@Suntadyis

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and suggestions, I really appreciate it! I am now reading through forums for other options as well and now I have my eyes on HE1000 V2(non-stealth). Like everyone is saying - this is a rabbit hole xD Again, thank you for taking the time to read through and reply to my query. Your interaction with your viewers is something to applaud to though I know it will be hard for you to keep that up as you gain more viewers and subscribers. Sending my support from Perth WA. Cheers! 🍻

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Thanks faitoq! Glad to help

hello passion for sound, been a big fan for your detailed and relaxing reviews I have a question.. I know you tried arya stealth with mojo 2 and ef400. Which sounds better to you and may I know why? I listen mostly to rock and metal but I enjoy almost all genres. I prefer big soundstage, staging, musicality and linear sound (no vocal forwardness). I am sensitive to sibilance and shoutiness of vocals but you mentioned that you can eq the arya stealth with mojo 2 so I think it’s not gonna be a problem. I prefer portability but if sound is better with ef400 with more power, I can sacrifice for pure sound. Hope to hear from you. thanks

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Hi Nia, I would go for the Mojo 2 because it does everything better and the EQ means you can make it sound pretty much like the EF400 if you want to while getting better resolution and detail

@niacseh6030

Жыл бұрын

really appreciate your response. this helps a lot in my decision making between the 2 dac/amps 😊 hope you a nice day 😊

@niacseh6030

Жыл бұрын

sorry just a quick follow up quesion sir, do you think mojo 2 has enough power for arya stealth to show off her full potentials iesp in sound dynamics?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the Arya isn't actually too hard to drive and the Mojo 2 does well with it. Of course, you can always get even better sound, but not for the same price I think

@niacseh6030

Жыл бұрын

Thanks you so much. happy weekend! 😊🤘🏽

Where does something like the mojo fit into this. Does it get 50-80% of any of these in sq and what shares the most similarity with it

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The Mojo performs on a different level because it's on par with the Bifrost 2 as a DAC. The amp is significantly less powerful than these all-in-ones and it's less ergonomic as a desktop solution, but I think it sounds better than any of these (assuming you're not trying to drive a crazy difficult headphone like a Susvara or maybe Stealth/Expanse)

Hi great video and effort mate. Would the m500 pair well with an LCD 2C? I am after a warm-ish sound or something which is not too midrange emphasizing. Thanks!

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

That should work great! The M500 is essentially neutral - just smooth

@bikecrazy001

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound thanks!, by neutral do you mean too analytical? what would you suggest for a warmish sound with just a bit more bass with the lcd2c? I was looking at vali2 and modi stack but not sure if that will give that sound signature?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

No, when I say neutral, I just mean uncoloured, but the M500 is smooth enough to be very enjoyable with any headphones. I haven't tried the Vali, but the Modi+ is a DAC I've reviewed recently and the M500 Mk3 is definitely better. (Modi+ isn't bad - it's excellent for the price)

@bikecrazy001

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound thanks appriciate the response!

Awesome review. Im eyeing on the m500 mk3 as my headphones (kennerton gh50) are a bit warm. Are there any other amps or dacs (can be a separate unit) you recommend at a lower price point?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

There's nothing that really stands out as a better option for less. The Topping E50 & L50 come close, but the amp in the L50 isn't my favourite. Similarly, the SMSL SU-8 & SH-8 or DO200 and HO200 don't get there for me either. I'd personally go with the M500 Mk3 and add an external amp later if you feel the need.

@Boss90x

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Thanks for the reply. Does the m500 mkiii play well with external amps? Will the overall sound quality increase? Im going to get the m500 first, then maybe a couple of months later i might get another amp to pair with it at round the $500-600 range. Or should i just get the chord mojo2?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it works very well as a DAC feeding external amps. The Mojo 2 does produce better overall sound so it will depend on your feelings about the ergonomics of the Mojo 2 vs M500 for desktop use as to which is the better choice, but sonically, the Mojo 2 wins

@Boss90x

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Right when I was about to pull the trigger on the m500, i stumbled upon one of your comments in this video saying that the chord mojo sounds better. Thank you for providing such an expansive review and your effort in replying to every comment. SUBSCRIBED!

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Glad I could help and thanks for the sub 🙂🙂

Where does the Chord Mojo 2 stand between all of this as an DAC/Amp both?

@PassionforSound

7 ай бұрын

It's better than any of these in terms of sound quality. Power output and form factor are obviously potential deal breakers for some people though.

Awesome. Thanks. I was myself considering one of these all-in-one, but in the end I bought a Topping D30 Pro/A30 Pro combo + XLR cable. Very happy with the performance.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Separates are always a slightly better choice IMO. Glad you're enjoying them

I have my MKIII coming in the mail post watching this video- this will be my first DAC/Amp. Was happy to find it on sale for $450. I’ll give an update when I get it. I originally wanted the RME ADI 2 (for mixing & mastering music because of the high resolution) but am trying to get as close to that as a general 500$ price range can get. I read some of the comments and realized you mentioned a DAC and AMP separate will usually be a better bargain. If I returned my Mk3, what DAC/AMP combo would you say would get as sonically close to the RME as possible (without all the features). Not necessarily in that 500$ price range but the lowest price possible whilst getting a close/damn near equivalent sound?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The ADI-2 isn't the best thing around as some people make it that it is. You can match or beat it's sound quality (not it's powerful features) with something like a Soncoz SGD-1 and a Singxer SA-1 or even a Geshelli E2 or Archel 2.5. The amp stage isn't great in the ADI-2 - fine, but not great, so it depends on whether you want to match it (Geshellis) or better it (Singxer).

@SwimnBird

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound so my M500 came today and it sounds really nice in comparison to my previous Dac (Blackface Apollo twin) it’s a lot more quiet, I didn’t know the Apollo Twin was noisy till comparing but there is a constant noise that makes low volume elements lost. With the M500 I could hear delay effects in vocals that I didn’t notice were there. Reverb also was more intelligible. The sound also sounded considerably more tame so I could hear compression much better-- it almost sounded like the Apollo was just kinda distorted sounding. I tested this with a mix and I noticed a lot of the issues I had with mixes I turned out previously were automatically solved by me just listening with the M500. Is it safe to assume the RME is a significant sonic upgrade to the Mk500? Looking at the prices of your suggestions it may make more sense to just get the RME used or marked down because it would look cleaner, less items, and it has those features. And sense you mentioned it's not a 'great' AIO-- is there some that you consider a tier(s) better than the RME? I’ve heard some say the RME is like an audio equivalent of 1080p resolution… so I’m wondering what would be the 4K or 6k (to keep the analogy). To extend the analogy, maybe the M500 is 720p resolution.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you're enjoying your M500. With the ADI-2, it will likely be an upgrade on the M500, but it's also quite a different sound with more edge to the sound so it's a bit more forceful and could be less enjoyable depending on your tastes and headphones/earphones. It's definitely not a bad device, but I think, if you're staying with the idea of an all-in-one, I'd look at the Burson Conductor 3XP instead.

Does the EF400 come with USB cables to connect to phone computer or tablet?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I can't recall. I think it comes with only USB-A to USB-B, but a USB-C to USB-B cable is all you'd need to buy to solve that. 🙂

how is the EF400 with the Susvara ? (i’m now thinking to buy two d’accord/amps, one transportable DAC/PRE/Amp and a great DAC for home, would the EF be good enough to convince my family im not totally nuts to buy those headphones ? ;-)

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I think the EF400 is a great device, but I don't think it makes sense to pair the Susvaras with it - you won't be getting the best out of your Susvaras.

@nitraM321

Жыл бұрын

what else would work as a transportable system ? those susvara are complicated, did u hear the ZMF caldera yet ? im going to amsterdam soon to test them, there is a shop there that only sells headphones, they even have the orpheus and are getting the he6. a bit far from your home :) anyway, see u on patreon :)

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The Calderas will be on their way to me any day now according to Zach (along with my personal pair of Atriums 🎉) I can't think of too many transportable systems (other than the Hugo 2) that will beat the Mojo 2. iFi make products like the Gryphon and Diablo, but I don't know that they'll match the Mojo 2 for SQ (they're just more powerful) Thanks for joining the community on Patreon! Chat to you more there 🙂🙂

Excellent comparison review. Well done.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

So glad you liked it!

Thanks for the great review! I wonder if you tried the SABAJ A20d 2022 Version? It seems like the M500 Mk3 with different form, thanks

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I haven't tried it - sorry

I have been anxiously waiting for this since you teased it two weeks ago even though I already own the EF400. Let’s gooooooo!

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoyed it!

if I use Mojo 2 as a dac, how it is compare to MX500, in term sound quality alone

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I haven't compared them directly, but knowing that the Mojo 2 is on the same level as the Schiit Bifrost 2 and none of these devices reached that level, I'd say the Mojo 2 will be comfortably better

@muhamadsyazwan5170

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Thank you friend appreciate it

Hifiman ef 400 or mojo 2 which one be the best option for hifiman xs?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I'd go with Mojo 2

Have you tried the mkii version of the m500? If so, i'd like to know if there is much difference in terms of sound quality vs the mkiii one. And if, in your opinion, the difference in price is justified (around 100$) I'm looking to buy one of them, for the dac alone and sound quality and value are my main focus. Thank you

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I haven't tried the Mk II - sorry! There are some significant improvements that they've implemented so I'd expect notable improvements, but I can't say from experience.

@JoseFerreira-zb7wh

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound yes i've seen the spec comparison between both but was wondering if the price difference would be worth it when comparing sound quality only(dac). from what i've red sound signature seems very similar.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Sorry I can't help more

@JoseFerreira-zb7wh

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound don't have to be sorry. thanks for the reply.

Thank you for this. My headphones are HiFiMan Edition XS (18Ω). I bought a Topping EX5 to drive them and it's OK. Beautifully clear and precise for quiet passages but kind of underwhelming when the music does something punchy. I've got an m500 mkIII arriving tomorrow to try out, as many reviewers said it sounds more dynamic or powerful. I also like the design of both of these models. But now I'm intrigued about the EF400. If it's designed for low impedance headphones, and possibly HiFiMan's own then it may be the best combo. The classic no features, no remote attitude is a plus for me.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was a helpful review! See how you go with the M500 and some of its feature - it's a great device. If you still want more, the EF400 is a touch better again, particularly if you like the simple, classic design.

@PavlosPapageorgiou

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound It arrived and it's great! It produces the satisfying, punchy sound that the EX5 did not. To be fair reviewers already said don't buy the EX5 to use with the Edition XS. The m500 drives them beautifully. I found what I was looking for at the price range, don't see myself going for Arya and high end sources any time soon, but I'll see if I can get a listen of the EF400. It even has a passive transformer and you have to buy the right voltage :)

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Sadly, the issue with the EX5 isn't the Edition XS - it's just how the EX5 sounds. The M500 though? A wonderfully different story. Glad you're enjoying it

Thank for this... I using Monitor speakers(hedd) and headphones(beyerdynamic), which is best for me??

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I don't know the Hedd monitors and there are many different Beyerdynamic headphones, but I'd choose the SMSL M500 Mk3 for use with headphones and monitors because it allows you to switch them which the EF400 doesn't

@zs-remix

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound thank you, i got beyer-T1

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

They'll go great with the M500 🙂

In terms of sound quality, which would be better if SMSL M500 MKiii is compared to Mojo 2?😇

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Mojo 2 will win that one. It performs at the same level as the Bifrost 2. Keep in mind that you get less features with the Mojo 2

@user-ht1gu3qq2l

Жыл бұрын

🥰I'm waiting for your review of something better than Mojo 2(around 700USD)!

I am looking to get a new DAC/amp combo unit and i have no clue what to get i use sennheiser HD599 headphones and i dont want a DAC that sounds too cold clinical or flat but i dont want something that sounds like its under water either i am looking for a middle ground just like the HD599 are

@PassionforSound

7 ай бұрын

LOL. I just linked this video in your last comment. I'd be going for the M500 or EF400 depending on what features you need.

would M500 mk3 be good enough for Focal Creal original?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

It would be good enough to be enjoyable, for sure. The Clears can sound even better with higher level gear, but that's no reason to avoid the M500 which will still sound great with the Clears

Would these options perform well with a Meze Elite? Thanks!

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Any of these would do fine with the Elites, but they can do even better as I mentioned in a different reply to you. 🙂

@lamgmtgroup258

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Yes sir, thank you once again! 🙏

I'm going to have to pick one up to do a side by side compare but I'm a little concerned moving from a balanced amp to a non-balanced amp. I'm not sure if it's the amp or the cable that I bought but the biggest Improvement in sound that I heard in my setup even between testing different amplifiers was to change in sound that I heard from switching cables to balanced. It opened everything up bigger more spacious more clear. I was always one of those people that thought it was snake oil until I heard it what are your thoughts about the difference between balanced and unbalanced?

Cheers, another super thorough review! I was excited to see you review the M500 but pitting it against competition just made it all the more interesting. I guess the M500 would still be my choice if I do buy a unit soon, which may be the case, but I am considering the limited power output limiting my potential headphone choices later. The slightly more cumbersome line out management for desktop speakers also has me thinking. Hmmm... Thanks Lachlan! ⭐️

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

So glad I could help. I would personally still choose the M500 out of this lot. There really are only 2-3 headphones it won't suit from a power perspective

@JustBrowsing777

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Thank you, that advice helps. I might just take the plunge on the M500 and I am sure I will be happy with it then 😊 As always, appreciate your passion, approach and dialogue with commenters. 👍

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure. Glad I can help 🙂🙂

This reivew is awesome . Wouldo be nice a review of Xduoo TA-22.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I do like me some xDuoo. I'll see what opportunities arise...

Hello Lachlan, thank you for an excellent review! I appreciate this format very much. Direct comparison of multiple devices is much more informative and useful than reviews of individual products. I understand it is logistically difficult but it puts things in actual perspective, which is priceless. In fact, I would rather wait for, say, a month to get a review like this than to watch individual reviews weekly. You covered everything relevant, were to a point and presented your findings and evaluations logically, illustratively and clearly. Remarkable job. One question: what would be your recommendation for a “pure“ DAC (without the amp section) under 500 USD and why? Thanks

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

So glad you found it helpful, Lukas. It's very hard to co-ordinate this type of format and it's often just luck (like this one) when the timings all align. As for the DAC under $500, I'd probably look at the Soncoz SGD-1. I haven't reviewed it yet, but it's a lovely DAC

@lukasjanecka9996

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Thanks Lachlan. I will definitely check that one

sir how does ef400 compare with mojo 2? esp running the arya stealth

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I haven't directly compared, but the Mojo 2 is at the level (DAC-wise) as the Bifrost 2 so it will best the EF400 and it has sufficient power to drive the Aryas just fine

@niacseh6030

Жыл бұрын

thanks you so much for your reply. really appreciate your review. it’s very well said. your voice is so relaxing! 😊

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure. Glad you like the reviews!

Hey what would you recommend between a Chord Mojo and SMSL M500 Mkiii?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Sonically, I prefer the Mojo (and Mojo 2 even more). For desktop usage though, I find the Mojo a little less convenient due to its tiny size, lack of display, etc. It will depend on how you're using it though so if it's just USB in and headphones out, the Mojo would be my choice

@hotstuff3243

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Ok thanks for your reply! Love the channel!

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Glad you're enjoying it! Thanks for letting me know 🙂

Thanks so much for this review, I've been hoping to see a nice breakdown of the M500 Mk3 as I've been drooling over it for a couple weeks now. Up till now, my only experience with a dedicated DAC or amp is my Earmen Sparrow (and I got a second one of those for my wife). I've been looking for a nice versatile desktop upgrade, and the M500 really does look like it fits the bill.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

EarMen Sparrow is great! If you enjoy its sound, I think you'll like the M500 Mk3 too

Great Review, I already own the EF400 right now and had the DX7 Pro and agree with all your points. Interesting to know about High Impedance Headphone compatibility, I don't have any High Impedance Headphones to test but I remember seeing a post on Head-Fi that mentioned EF400 having different output impedance on each of it's outputs, maybe that's effecting the final sound quality? On a separate topic, Is Mojo 2 sound quality on a similar level to EF400? I'm planning to upgrade my portable setup (using LG V60 now) and currently going back and forth between Mojo 2 & RS2.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The output impedance should have less impact on high impedance headphones so not sure what's causing the issue. As for the Mojo 2, it's on a similar performance level with the Bifrost 2 (from a DAC perspective) so I'd expect it will be even better than the EF400, but I haven't directly compared them. It's definitely my recommended portable all-in-one option though

This is interesting. I recently auditioned a bunch of headphones using an EF400. As you noted it drove a set of Arya Stealth beautifully. I also tried it with the Focal Clear MG and the difference was drastic - they sounded so lacking in detail, especially in the mids & trebble that I wondered if the test headphones I tried were defective. Having watched this video I'm wondering if it was rather that the EF400 simply doesn't work well with that sort of headphone. Given that Hifiman makes planars I wonder if the EF400 has been optimised for current output rather than voltage which might cause problems with higher impedance cans. Very interesting video.

@PassionforSound

11 ай бұрын

I never got to the bottom of that issue, but it's nice to hear that it's not just me who's heard it. I thought I might have been a bit mad. 🙂

@dragonsbreath8653

6 ай бұрын

I listened to FiiO K7, FiiO K9, FiiO K9 PRO, EarMen ST-Am, HiFiMAN EF400, of all of them I liked FiiO K9 PRO and EarMen ST-Am the most. Before I bought the FiiO K9 PRO, I listened through a portable THX Onyx amplifier for two years, and with the advent of the Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 250 Ohm, the power of the THX Onyx was not enough, although the sound in the headphones was good at full volume. So I went to listen to amplifiers and make difficult choices. FiiO K7 - the sound was not impressive. Worse than THX Onyx. There is no wide stage, no powerful and beautiful sound is felt, no analytical sound, weak bass, no velvety bass. The sound does not evoke emotion at all. FiiO K9 - the sound is noticeably different from THX Onyx and FiiO K7, but also did not impress me. The sound is detailed, but cold (I don’t like it, listening to music is boring), there is no melody, the sound stage is wide, the bass is a little weaker than that of the FiiO K9 PRO ESS. Sound does not evoke emotion. FiiO K9 PRO ESS - great sound, I really liked it, I was so impressed that tears came and goosebumps appeared. It sounds much better than FiiO K9 for the reason that the sound is neutral, very detailed and at the same time melodic, the bass is strong and velvety. It sounds emotional, the sound has a pleasant effect on the auditory nerves, which is why you experience emotions over the edge. HiFiMAN EF400 - did not understand the charm of the sound, the sound is dry, neutral, does not sound as good as FiiO K9 PRO ESS and EarMen ST-Amp. I was told that I need to warm it up for at least 100 hours, then this sound amplifier will open - nonsense. The THX Onyx, FiiO K9 PRO ESS and EarMen ST-Amp sounded great right out of the box. EarMen ST-Amp - great sound, I really liked it too. It sounds better than FiiO K9 and HiFiMAN EF400, the sound is warmer than FiiO K9 PRO, but it is inferior to FiiO K9 PRO in detail. It also evokes emotions and I liked it. But the EarMen ST-Amp had a problem when I listened to it in an audio store. After 30-40 minutes, the EarMen ST-Amp began to click when rewinding or scrolling through a track in the player. The clicks are such that they seem to be knocking on the microphone, but in foobar the clicks have disappeared. We took the second one out of the box and it also clicked. I bought FiiO K9 PRO ESS and two headphones. Headphones can't sound good everywhere, so I took a pair of headphones. Beyerdynamic DT770 PRO 250 Ohm for music and cinema, and Beyerdynamic MMX150 only for games. I listened to headphones: Logitech G Pro X, Razer BlackShark V2, Sony INZONE H3, HyperX Cloud Alpha S, Microsoft Xbox TLL-00010, Sony MDR-7506, Audio-Technica ATH-M30x, Shure SRH440A-EFS, Sennheiser HD 569/599 /HD660S, Beyerdynamic DT770 PRO 32/80/250 Ohm, Beyerdynamic DT 880/990/1770 PRO 250 Ohm, Focal Clear MG, Beyerdynamic MMX150/MMX300. I didn’t take the Beyerdynamic MMX300, because it’s the same Beyerdynamic DT770 PRO 32 Ohm, but with a microphone, and games also lack mid and high frequencies, like the Beyerdynamic DT 880/990/1770 PRO 250 Ohm, and the Beyerdynamic MMX150 is fine with this. The Beyerdynamic DT770 PRO 250 Ohm sounds great in music and movies, but in games the mids and highs are lacking, resulting in muffled sound and poor positioning in games. The Beyerdynamic MMX150 don't sound very good in music, okay in movies, but great in games. Logitech G Pro X, Razer BlackShark V2, Sony INZONE H3, HyperX Cloud Alpha S, Microsoft Xbox TLL-00010 are the worst gaming headphones. The Beyerdynamic DT 1770 PRO 250 Ohm doesn't make any sense because it has weaker bass and doesn't sound as nice as the Beyerdynamic DT770 PRO 250 Ohm. Focal Clear MG sound good, but their bass and treble are rather weak, while the Beyerdynamic DT770 PRO 250 Ohm has very good bass, they are velvety and comfortable high frequencies, the sound is more interesting with the FiiO K9 PRO ESS, as if in a concert hall. The Shure SRH440A-EFS sounds more interesting than the Beyerdynamic DT770 PRO 32/80 Ohm, but not as great as the Beyerdynamic DT770 PRO 250 Ohm. Sennheiser HD 569/599/HD660S didn't make it, they don't reach Beyerdynamic. FiiO K9 PRO ESS sounds great. Playing games, listening to music and watching movies with such sound is a pleasure. In games I experience new sound experiences. There is no need for enhancers, HeSuVi, Dolby Atmos for headphones, THX Spatial Audio, DTS:X, equalizers, all this greatly spoils the sound in games, music, and movies. In the game Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora, FiiO K9 PRO ESS gave such emotions that I shed tears from the magnificence of the sounds. When I listen to beautiful music, I get goosebumps. FiiO K7, FiiO K9, HiFiMAN EF400 and my two-year-old THX Onyx cannot give me such emotions in sound as the FiiO K9 PRO ESS gives me.

@DarkFire515

6 ай бұрын

@@dragonsbreath8653 I also ended up buying a K9 Pro ESS to power my Arya Organics. Fantastic sounding amp and headphone combination.

@dragonsbreath8653

6 ай бұрын

@@DarkFire515 With the FiiO K9 PRO, any headphones sound good, and with the right headphones, the sound will be great. Such acoustics will give you strong emotions. By the right headphones, I mean those headphones that were chosen by your ears when you listened to different headphones and it was these headphones that your ears liked the most and delight your hearing.

@PassionforSound

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing such a detailed write up!

Sound wise , bitfrost 2/64 or hifiman EF400 ?

@PassionforSound

7 ай бұрын

Bifrost 2/64 for sure 🙂

Hi there! have you heard Gustard ah90? How is it? compared with mk500 or k9pro?

@PassionforSound

5 ай бұрын

I haven't heard it. Sorry!

@DarthWitcher

4 ай бұрын

@@PassionforSound Thanks for the answer! Would you recommend k9pro or topping dh7pro+? considering that I didn't like the presentation of EF 400 - I listened k9pro and I liked it, but I will have to order the topping blindly...

@PassionforSound

4 ай бұрын

I haven't heard the Topping either - sorry

The EF400 R2R Himalaya DAC is awesome. It's actually even better sounding going to another amp like the LYR3

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Yes, a separate amp can give the DAC a bit of a boost 🙂

For R2R DACs, Cayin RU6 or EF400 or BiFrost 2? IEMs 70% of time on the go, and HE6se v2 30% of time at home. Thanks!

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

If you're mostly on the go then the RU6 is kind of the only choice. I'd get that and then a nice amp to connect it to when you're at home.

@Luinitari

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound thanks! I do have a nice integrated amp with gobs of power I use to drive the HE6sev2. Do you think the sound from the RU6 competes well with the EF400, or is the EF400 a big enough step up to warrant buying both?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I haven't heard them side-by-side because the RU6 was on loan and went back ages ago. Sorry I can't help on that one.

Can you review Sabaj A20 D ?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I'll see if it gets offered to me for review - all depends on if I can get one 🙂

Another great review!

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Thanks for the extensive reviews man, Topping L50 and E50 stack vs ef400, what would be better you think?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

That's a really tough one. I'm not sure and don't currently have time to check. I think the EF400 would be better on pure sound quality because the L50 isn't the best amp around (the E50 is a brilliant DAC). The EF400's lesser performance with higher impedance headphones could be a factor though

@Hetsu..

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Thanks for the input!

Pulled the trigger and bought the EF400 to pair with my Aryas, thanks for your insight.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure. Enjoy the great combination!

@RayCabrera1

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound I believe for the price and the pairing with the Ayra. its probably the best pairing In going to find at the price.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

It would definitely be very hard to beat for the same money. Indeed, nothing springs to mind for me.

@RayCabrera1

Жыл бұрын

I added the Singxer SA1 to the EF400 as an amp and it really gives my Ayras a fuller sound in the low end and smooths out the treble peaks really well. I really like the EF400 as an dac paired with the SA1

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

That would be a lovely combo!

This is awesome reviewed, just exactly what I wanted know all the differences between all of these great gears 👍🎧🎸.....

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

So glad it was helpful!

There are headphones t1 2nd, Tago T3-01, Edition XS, Watch the video introduction Can EF400 ,Burson Soloist3x make up for the deficiencies of EF400 high-impedance headphones?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Adding an external amp like the Soloist would help if you already have the EF400

@user-bw9fk4zp3x

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound I don't have ef400 and want to try r2r dac, consider comparing these denafrips ares ii, Bifrost 2 (BF 2/64), ef400 or chord qutest or better 2541. I don't know if they fit 3x so I'm looking for a place to try them.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The EF400 isn't on the same level as Bifrost 2/64 or Ares II so I'd recommend going straight to those

At 35:09 he mentions something that sounds like "i squared s" which sounds like a 'thing' that you plug into the DX7 Pro+ to make it sound 'more refined'...? What is "i squared s"?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

That's actually exactly what I said 😁 IIS or I2S or I²S is a transmission protocol (like, USB, optical, coax, etc.) that often uses an HDMI connector (but it's not HDMI transmission protocols). It's benefit is that it separates the timing information from the audio signal data (many protocols merge these together) and it tends to produce a cleaner, more refined sound in my experience

Nice Comparison. Any amp upgrade recommendation for the K9 Pro?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

It depends on budget, but options like the Singxer SA-1 and Burson Soloist 3XP would be great

@bling5279

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Thanks for the quick response! Will definitely check out your review on those again! Also considering the Jotunheim 2. Which would you recommend if I am looking to tame the treble a bit on the HD800s or Arya? I am a bit treble sensitive.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I'd go for Jotunheim 2 or Singxer SA-1 for those two cans. The SA-1 is a bit stronger technically than Jot 2, but Jot 2 is a bunch of fun

@p2h7fiw

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Hi! What does the built-in DAC to 9 Pro look like in comparison with the DAC in FE-400 and SMSL Do 200? I have the opportunity to buy a used K9 for 600usd. And I want to build a stack from the best DAC + external amplifier topping A90D. THX amplifier K 9 did not impress me at all, but I heard that the dac in K9 is one of the best deltasigms up to 1000 usd.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The K9 Pro DAC is excellent and I'd choose it over either of the others you mentioned for sure.

Does the single ended output of the EF400 have enough juice for low impedance, but insensitive headphones like the Hifiman Arya (non-stealth) or the AKG K702? And can it drive the HD800s with authority?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The SE output can drive pretty much any headphone (I didn't test with Susvara). As for the HD800, as I discussed in the video, it CAN drive them but doesn't sound it's best with some high impedance headphones and I'm not sure why.

Thanks for the review. After watching the review, I plan to buy the SMSL M500 MK3. I went to local store (Singapore) to ask a few questions but the sales staff were not able to answer. Here are the questions, please help: - Is the 4.4mm headphone plug of SMSL M500 MK3 balanced? - I am owning the Sony WM1AM2 DAP, I would like to know whether I can connect it to the M500 as my music sources. (FYI, The WM1AM2 is working when connected to Chord Mojo II. But it is not working when connected to Fiio K9 Pro ESS). Thanks in advance 🙏🏼

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I can't answer the question about the DAP because they're all different. As for the 4.4mm output, it's not a truly balanced output, but it's not really relevant. As long as you have sufficient power and the sound quality is good (which it is), balanced vs SE really makes no difference for headphone outputs

@galenfong4377

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Thank you 🙏🏼

From what I've been told, EF400's 3.5 mm and 4.4 mm output have different output impedance than the 6.35 mm and XLR output. And I think Hifiman recommend use low impedance headphone on the 3.5 mm and 4.4 mm output and high impedance headphone on the 6.35 mm and XLR output. Not sure which port you ran the high impedance headphones on but that's my guess. That or maybe this amp has more current rather than voltage. Though my headphone is Denon D5200 (24 ohm) so I do plan to pick up EF400 eventually. :)

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I didn't know that about the different output impedances, but I was using XLR for all tests I think as that's my standard termination on aftermarket cables (I then adapt to 4.4mm if needed) I think you'll be very happy with the EF400 for your Denons!

@FusionMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound That's very good to hear! And thank you again for all your amazing and detailed content, it really helps a lot! 🙂

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

So glad I can help 🙂🙂

Does the HPA and DAC stage in the K9pro ESS combine to produce a euniquely different or superior sounding THX amp than one could achieve with sparates(oh i guess at up to $1400 or so plus/minus $200)?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The K9 Pro on its own isn't as good as a quality set of separates. For similar or slightly more money. I feel like the amp in the K9 Pro holds it back a bit

@g-mail4743

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Fiio aesthetically always looks like they have the best stuff along with good hardware specs so I always want to go for their units, but they always end up disappointing by user/reviewer accounts, so I haven't rushed into purchasing the K9pro despite wanting to until I could get a clear review on its performance, so thanks again for the info.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The K9 Pro is definitely an excellent all-in-one and their newer products have all been very solid so no need to avoid them, but I know you've already gone in another direction which is cool too

You mentioned there was a spectrum of sound from more lush/musical to more analytical - and that the EF400, DX7 Pro+ and M500 all sat quite close together but with EF400 being more lush, the DX7 Pro+ being more analytical, and the M500 being in the middle (and closer to the DX7 Pro+). Well, where would a Schiit Jotunheim sit on this continuum? Would it be more towards the lush side than even the EF400 is?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The original Jotunheim is fairly neutral I think, but the Jot 2 would go more towards the EF400 end.

Can the M500 MK3 adequately drive the ananda stealth?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! It's a great option.

Thanks for the great video👍 Have the EF400. Beautiful in OS mode 4 pin XLR low gain with the Ananda SE. In NOS a bit muddy to my ears. Have the feeling that it does not drive the HE6seV2 to his potential. Waiting for my Burson Conductor 3X GT😀

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

You'll love the 3XGT! Big upgrade even though the EF400 is lovely

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I haven't compared the SE properly with the OG yet, but maybe linknet can answer...

@linknet904

Жыл бұрын

Sorry i never had the OG...

@GMT2019

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSoundvery detailed comparison video ! Btw , I got the D9200 with the EF400 , it sound pretty well together , but if I wanted to upgrade for more , Do you think I can reuse the dac of the EF400 and buy a pure Amplifier like Violectric V222 or ifi pro ican Or do you think I should consider a dac amp combo all in one like ifi pro iDSD signature or Burson Conductor , since I also got some DSD files , but the EF400 only provides PCM … But it surprisingly doesn’t sound too much different at all which I transfer DSD to PCM instead of DoP in AK240 .

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The EF400 is fine, but I do think you can do better so perhaps start with an amp upgrade knowing that you might then upgrade the DAC in the future too. You can always get another all-in-one, but they are somewhat limiting in terms of upgrade paths so just consider your future possible steps before deciding.

Will all of these work with iOS, ie an iPhone through the Camera Kit apple dongle method? It’s my preferred way to stream high rez tidal but I have struck out sending a signal to some devices, e.g. JDS Labs element.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I can't test that for you because I'm not an Apple user, but I would expect them to all work well because they're all driverless with Windows which would suggest a fairly easy USB interface

Great curation of devices! What i can never tell from any review videos on YT is how good of a DAC is the K9pro ESS in terms of a detailed sound comparison that all other DACs are treated to customarily, i only ever hear platitudes regarding it due to its dual chip core. Is it the best sounding DAC unit under $800 in terms of depth, sound stage and separation, or does it excel more at accuracy of tone and clarity.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

It's more about clarity and detail than soundstage. For soundstage under $800, the Bifrost 2 from Schiit is my winner, particularly the new version

@g-mail4743

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Thanks for the answer, I keep sleeping on Schitt and the BiFrost, i guess largely due to it not being on Amazon or on Apos, but it will deff have to be my next one.

@g-mail4743

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound I recieved the Topping D70s from Apos this past week after I found one unit in stock on their site. I am waiting to finish listening to the cables I bought before I insert it into the chain. I enjoyed your video on it and the BiFrost comparison.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Enjoy your new toy! 🙂🙂

What is best for mix mastering also on Sennheiser 560s headphones I decided to get them headphones as I heard they were very neutral and detailed. Also can you record into the topping dx7 pro plus

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

None of these will take inputs for recording as an ADC - you'd need a digital interface like a Scarlett 2i2 or similar for that. As for the best option for the HD560s, I'd happily take any of these for that use and would therefore base the decision on the features you want and the sound quality that seems most appealing based on what I've described (and others too if you check out more reviews). Personally, I think the SMSL M500 Mk3 is hard to go past for your needs.

Tremendous video. Thank you!!!

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

So glad you liked it! 🙂🙂

How would you compare these amp/dacs to the IFI IDSD Signature amp/dac

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I can't unfortunately because I haven't heard the iFi gear due to some local distributor issues :(

While I would prefer there to be a simple switch on the front to switch between line out and headphone out on the M500, you *can* setup the remote to switch between outputs with one press of the FN button. That seems to be the easiest way to do it.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Good point! That would be an easy way to do it if you're happy using the remote

@Voidrunner01

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound It seems to be the quickest and easiest approach. If it wasn't for that, I would probably not even use the remote at all, as I'm using it as a desktop DAC. It's a minor annoyance with an otherwise stellar piece of hardware.

How is it compared with m500 mk2?

@PassionforSound

11 ай бұрын

I don't own the Mk2 to test this - sorry

thanks for your dedication. i am a proud owner of the old version, S.M.S.L m500 mkII. glad to see the mkIII doing well here too. i switch the output often between the headphone and the XLR for my active speakers. i find the little help from the remote control does the job perfectly.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I think I'd probably keep the remote handy for those switches too. Glad you're enjoying the Mk2!

I was considering buying the SMSL M500 MkIII to be used as a dedicated DAC only. I’m running Focal Clear Pro headphones, with a Luxman L-235 amp. But I’m keen to upgrade my DAC from my current Schiit Modi 3+. The Focal’s already have a really clean and technical top end, but I want to fill out the body of the bass. The amp is already doing a great job there, but I was concerned the DAC is too low end for the setup. Does anyone have any feedback on what DAC I could use with my setup?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't bother buying an all-in-one for pure DAC duties. You'd be better off with a Topping L50, Soncoz SGD-1 or similar dedicated DAC

@blakecandesign9628

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Thank you for the advice. I’ll see if I can test run them at Addicted to Audio. Great work btw, awesome to see a fellow Aussie creating quality content in this space 😊 Side note: Here is a list of DACs I had that I was thinking of testing out test as well… (if you have any feedback on them and how they might pair with Focal Clear, which is lacking slightly in bass and already has a detailed top end as it is). Topping - E50 / D30 Pro / D90 SMSL - M400 Schiit - BiFrost 2 Matrix Audio - Not sure what model?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I think that's a great list to try. I don't know a couple of them, but they're all worth trying. I think with the Matrix products, their pure DACs are higher priced, but the streaming DACs like the Matrix Mini-i Pro 3 are great. If you're demoing the Bifrost 2 (which I definitely recommend) make sure it's the updated Bifrost 2/64 version

@blakecandesign9628

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound No worries, thanks again for your help mate.

Lachlan, I sold my Topping D90SE, still have the A90 amp which I can either sell (and buy the SA-1) or keep since it’s very powerful. Would you recommend the EF400 or should I get a Musician Pegasus or Denafrips Ares II?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I've actually got the Pegasus here for review soon, Billy, and I think it's maybe better than the Ares II. I haven't done thorough listening, but will get to it soonish. They both perform beyond the EF400 by a fair margin though. It's worth remembering that the A90 is part of your overall sound though and the SA-1 is a better amp IMO, but also might not need the extra smoothness of an R2R DAC. Have you considered the updated Bifrost 2 and a Singxer SA-1?

@BillyKueekSG

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound, 😱 did I read your mind or a coincidence? It’s great I’m your Patron so I get to see it first. Online shops here have a sale every month (9.9, 10.10 next) and we’re having the Great Singapore Sale to coincide with F1 in Singapore so I may just get the Pegasus and use it with my A90 until I sell it which I will then consider the SA-1 ($819) or iFi iCAN Signature ($2,945). Your recommendations are always excellent and you probably knew I like warmer sounds hence I sold the D90SE. I’d read that the Pegasus ($1,499) is more musical than Ares II ($1,149). There are some concerns about the QC of Musician Pegasus (but I’ve also read that they do running-in at the factory, not sure true or just marketing), voiced by 2 reviewers and some buyers’ experiences online about their units going horribly wrong, I hope those problems are fixed. Denafrips distributor is in Singapore and the owner Alvin is a nice guy who can service Denafrips but I’m not sure about Musician Audio’s support and service here though. Just want to be able to get help if I face a problem. As for the Singxer SA-1, I’d probably get it after I sell the A90 or get the iFi iCAN Signature, to pair with the Pegasus. I’m not sure if Bifrost has a distributor here though as I mostly purchase from the online shops of actual stereo shops. I know you don’t do iFi products but the iFi iDSD Pro ($4,200) and iCAN Pro signature ($2,945) series are circling in my mind but this combo will cost me my headphone budget for an Atrium and Elite or Empyrean. The hybrid and tube options with its legendary X-Bass and X-Space are very tempting on the iCAN Signature but it’s more than double the price of the SA-1. Perhaps, pairing the Pegasus with the SA-1 would be good enough that I don’t need to spend so much for the iFI stack and still get an Atrium lol this hobby can be stressful…

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I'd forgotten you were in Singapore. That might make getting Schiit a little trickier, but you might be able to order direct. I would definitely be concerned about the longevity and service with the Pegasus as my unit had an issue and it's being repaired by a friend because Musician were very slow to reply to my emails and then have gone completely silent ☹️ How much is Pontus 2 compared to the Pegasus? I'm hoping to try a Pontus 2 soon and that might be a better option

@BillyKueekSG

Жыл бұрын

Lachlan, I searched and there’s no authorized distributor for Schitt here. Also, different voltage in US (120V) and Singapore (230V). I’d prefer not to buy direct because if I have a problem, I’ll have to send to manufacturer when service is needed, the freight may be costly too and then, it’s not viable anymore. We do have individuals who imports and sell some products not represented here but they are giving their own personal warranty and I do not trust that unless it’s from a reputable company who’s products are “safe” ie. excellent QC, a product not known to be problematic such as the Focal headphones I bought. Ooh, your unit has issue too? I know nobody who can fix problems for me and hell, I may not know if my unit has a problem and would appreciate a service Centre that I can at least have it checked, even if it means paying a service fee. Now, adding your unit to the others that I had mentioned, it sounds like fault rates are high for Musician Audio. If it’s only the Pegasus model, then perhaps I can consider another model but the increase in price may just drive me to pay more to get other brands or compromised the musicality and get Denafrips or Ladder instead. The others whom had problems with their Pegasus didn’t get replies too and 2 cases where the unit was sent to China went missing mysteriously. 1 case was more exasperating because the owner was told to declare the product value at US$20 or something along this line so even with insurance, he was screwed. As a business consultant and C-level executives’ coach, it is very frustrating for me to see companies with good products and demand not taking their businesses seriously and only wants the short term gains. They lack meaningful missions, integrity and ethics, poor QC, cut corners, services and supports, customer care, false/misleading marketing messages, not caring for or training employees, etc… are all just very sad. If I get to sit down with these businessmen as a consultant, I’ll tell them off. Anyway, I read that “some” brands “stole ideas” and enticed manufacturers who made goos products for a brand to make for them by copying with minimal differences and then call it their own. I believe you know what I mean.

@BillyKueekSG

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound, Denafrips Pontus 2 is $2,449. Listing prices of the others in case anyone reading is interested to know.Prices in Singapore dollars since it’s about the sa,e as AUD$. Denafrips Ares II $1,149, Venus 2 $4,149. Musician Audio Draco $1,039, Pegasus $1,499, Aquarius $4,299. Maybe Gustard R26 at $2,349 is worth considering? Price wise, it’s closed to Pontus 2. Meanwhile, maybe I’ll get the iFi xDXD Gryphon first since the Hifiman EF400 is not that impressive. I had wanted to send you the iFi Zen DAC V2 but the postage and all may not make it worthwhile.

Quite an undertaking there, Lachlan, well done for completing it so efficiently. Before watching this I had the expectation that the M500 would be a strong candidate for winning overall and so I agree with your conclusion. Interestingly, neither its DAC unit nor its amp are solely/mostly responsible for M500's performance which is what such a unit should be designed to do. My only question woule be what are all those versions of M500 (MK 1 - 3) signify: debugging or marketing strategy?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked the video. I have no idea why we get so many new releases from Topping and SMSL. My assumption is that it's because people keep buying the latest and greatest so I guess that makes it a marketing strategy (or response)

@g-mail4743

Жыл бұрын

All the versions have hardware improvements like they upgraded the HPA and power the first time, now there are additional improvements such as sound processing.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I think the question here though is whether or not the "improvements" are always actually improvements. Certainly, the M500 Mk3 brought some significant upgrades by using the 8 channels of the DAC chips instead of only 2, but many times it's such a minor change that a lot of these Topping and SMSL devices are interchangeable and redundant

@g-mail4743

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound I guess I will patiently have to wait awhile and watch for the true white whale to emerge, along with your reviews hightlighting things along the way like the Supra Exchaliber cable.

I wanted a desktop dac/headphone amp for my iems, og clairvoyance, og monarch, og oracle to name a few. Have a few daps including m6 pro, two r3 Sabre pro, and q1. Used jriver and foobar in asio and waspi from full .wav quality songs. Had k9pro ess, used via coaxial and optical and my main issue was its sound. It runs lean which is what I prefer for iem usage but is it does not have a full note quality. It cuts short the note and does not have a fullness to its notes. Also i did not get any of that deep "ghetto" bass that it should be able to produce. For instance on Warren g regulate it has that deep ghetto bass rumble. The k9 pro is unable to produce it. It should be there when called upon but just completely missing. K9 pro is for "audiophile" Bluetooth lovers looking to step up to their next level.

@PassionforSound

8 ай бұрын

I agree 100% about the lack of note weight and the muted nature of the sound of the K9 Pro. It's amazing when used as a DAC so this is a case of the FiiO amp design restricting its performance which is a shame. ☹️

Would you recommend Sennheiser Hdv820 amplifier or Fiio K9 pro ESS for Sennheiser Hd800s ?? Thanks

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I haven't tried the HDV820 yet, but will be reviewing it soon as part of my review of the HD820 so stay tuned on that one...

I have a theory the more powerful the amp the more head room it gives you and in result you might feel there is a larger sound stage. in the guitar world tubes gives you more separation between notes and might give a larger sound stage for headphones

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

There's definitely merit in that I think. With most headphones (i.e. not Susvara) you'll have masses of headroom on almost any amp, but it never hurts to have the room

It is interesting how well the M500 did. I am running the SMSL SU-8N and the Topping A30pro. My big dog is the Focal Elegia, then my hifiman Sundara. But enjoy my bargains very much from the combination. I listen from my Win 10 computer editor station. They do very well. I used to count on my Schiit Asgard 3 and Modius, but found the Asgard 3 while powerful a bit harsh and ill defined. The modius is fine but for me the SMSL beats it. Not sure if the M500 is a big gain for me. Probably not. Schiit, is kind of not the exciting product as it once was to me. So I think I am staying where I am. In my home office I use a Fiio K5 pro and it does fine with my cheapy Shp9500. Maybe an M500 there, but can't justify the price for there. I don't need most of the features of that. So I think I am good. Nice work on the shootout.

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video. I agree with you that the M500 probably doesn't make sense in your main setup and it sounds like overkill for your home office.

Been waiting for this one!

@JustBrowsing777

Жыл бұрын

Me toooooo! 🍿😄

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Hope it proves to be worth the wait 🙂🙂

Curious how a Burson Soloist would fare. Clear winner or no?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

The Soloist is a pure amp so not really a fair comparison. The Conductor is their all-in-one and would likely be the strongest of the bunch, but also the most expensive too.

@CrackaSlapYa

Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound ah. Thanks for the clarification. Im rocking the K9 Pro and it does quite well for me.

is it possible to use EF400’s internal headphone amp and pre-amp outputs at the same time?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

I didn't test that, but it probably is because the balanced HP outputs can't switch the circuit and there's no manual switch for the output mode so they might all be active all the time I think.

Does the ef400 get hot?

@PassionforSound

Жыл бұрын

Nothing significant. Warm perhaps, but the fact that I didn't even notice says it's minor if warm at all