The only problem with Spirit of the Law videos is that I feel confident and knowledgeable after watching them.

@candrarazaka4351

10 ай бұрын

and losing in the ranked just an hour later even after using SOTL’s calculations

@rodneyharris3470

10 ай бұрын

​@candrarazaka4351 the man can't click for you

@OPiguy35

10 ай бұрын

@@candrarazaka4351haha

@stroervor

6 ай бұрын

Calc doesn't matter if we are sloppy with our start and micro

I always found it funny how battle elephants or elephant archers have a rider but Persian war elephants fight on their own.

@Edelweiss1102

10 ай бұрын

They even have a UT called Mahouts, which were literally elephant riders.

War Elephants weep.

Elephant fact Each elephant creates about one tonne of poo per week, which keeps the soil fertile and disperses tree seeds. Elephants also dig waterholes and create footpaths, literally changing the landscape around them!

@LordVelari

9 ай бұрын

Should add this as an economy bonus lol

@adi96adi

Ай бұрын

Oh but when I shit outside everyone suddenly has a problem 🙄🙄

I think the halberdier whopping anti-ele damage was created as a counter against Persian war eles. I wonder if the devs have ever explored reducing the amount of halb bonus damage against battle eles, because +60 right now is pretty high (and was needed when war ele base hp was 470!)

One thing you didn't really get into is just how quickly you can produce them. You can produce 280% the HP from a single stable producing battle elephants compared to knights. Combined with their very decent base stats, that makes transitioning into them extremely easy, and pushing out enough units to make a difference even easier.

@Whisper0ak

10 ай бұрын

Speed to produce stable units is not that big of a deal. It's a cheap building and easy to add more. Also elephants have double the food cost compare to knights. So yes it's producing a high HP unit but it also costing twice as much food.

@internetidiot4206

6 ай бұрын

@@Whisper0ak Counterpoint: Malay

The Dravidian Battle elephant is like the Internet Explorer. It certainly exists.

@Edelweiss1102

10 ай бұрын

It's kinda like Spanish archers, it's so bad it actually might catch your opponent of guard.

@Progeusz

10 ай бұрын

Exists as a point of comparison.

@Progeusz

10 ай бұрын

@@Edelweiss1102Spanish archers can kill a lot of villagers in feudal age. Dravidian battle elephants can't do anything.

@hanzzel6086

10 ай бұрын

I feel like if they doubled the healing and gave them a speed boost and/or health increase and/or cost reduction they could make a name for themselves.

@skipper472

2 ай бұрын

@@Edelweiss1102 Agreed, dravidian elephants are bad, but they are still strong enough that your opponent must tech into the very expensive halberdier upgrade, because dravidian battle elephants defeat all other non-elephant units in melee battle, including paladin and teutonic knight.

The return of the elephant facts!

@borwinschenck8873

10 ай бұрын

When i saw the titel my first tought was: hopefully there are elefant facts again.

Everytime I have Battle Elephants as an option I just think "Mass Elephants! Do it!" And I do it, without fail!

@MaryamMaqdisi

10 ай бұрын

Battle elephants are possibly my favorite non unique unit. They’re just so fun to use

@AtlasJotun

5 ай бұрын

@@MaryamMaqdisi Agreed! Even the 'thump' they make when attacking is satisfying.

Hahah I love your consistency of adding elephant facts when ever talking about them.

I hope to see one Persian/Sassanid campaign in the future to make their elephants shine

I feel that the lack of mobility for elephants means you should direct them towards the enemy base as to force them to engage your elephants or risk having their base leveled.

@Duchess_Van_Hoof

10 ай бұрын

That's the trick, slow, tough and dangerous.

@Whisper0ak

10 ай бұрын

Elephants aren't going to level a base any time soon. And a mass of halbs will show up soon enough to deal with your VERY EXPENSIVE elephants. The enemy will engage your elephants with glee.

@nemou4985

10 ай бұрын

@@Whisper0akHalberdier anti elephant damage bonus is too high

@deutscher1a

8 ай бұрын

As a teuton: Try leveling my base, my elite deutschritter will level yours if youre not back soon

Really looking forward to that Persian rework. They've been long overdue.

@Dylyinyang

10 ай бұрын

get eradicated furry

@daarom3472

10 ай бұрын

completely not looking forward to it. The civ is fine as it is and has been fine for 25 years. Why not add civs rather than destroying something that we have used for more than 2 decades?

@Kyth_0734

10 ай бұрын

@@daarom3472 nah, compare to the other recently released civ, persians is pretty outdated by design imo

@TheLeosMind

10 ай бұрын

@@daarom3472 Persians recived quite a lot of changes throught the years, and for me at least, it stills being a pretty generic civ with a faster eco building, with nothing else in between rather than trash bows and fully upgraded cavalry with generic gundpownder. They could use something else to make them more special.

@FrostBeam009

10 ай бұрын

@@Lobo7-ik8cj Why? New civs are good the more the better.. People want new content

Finally my favourite unit is getting a review

It'd be cool to see Persians get battle elephants, but I'm a bit wary of their rework, just because I'm really fond of how simple they are. Just two bonuses and you're good for over 20 years.

@nemossangeomatrix6841

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, we're definetly at a point, were "feature-creep" seems to start becoming a sligth problem. Like the romans had alternative versions of multiple civ bonuses and have some of the most overtuned unique units ever. I also fear that some of the simple unique charm will be getting lost. But let's wait and see what we get.

@belisarian6429

10 ай бұрын

Current Persians are nice on paper, faster TCs knights with extra vs archers, trashbows. But in practice it falls apart somehow, their eco bonus is also strain on eco, their bonus dmg does not help them against their top counters and trashbows are too weak (also techswitch to Elephants is too expensive). But yea feature creep is something that developers should be vary of. As for Romans I think they have lot of bonuses because of need to compensate for missing gunpowder and archers, but yea they are still overtuned.

@cirkleobserver3217

10 ай бұрын

Yeah over-designing can happen when older games are approached with a more modern, meta-sensitive approach. This can undermine the charm of classic games and cause them to lose their identity. Imo that’s exactly what happened to OSRS.

When talking about how they do vs monks , it is also good to consider that Burmese have 50% discount on faith and makes it easier to pick up.

My most flattered I've been playing Aoe2 was playing Malay on hideout and doing a 10 elephant Castle age rush. My opponent threatened to get me banned as I was clearly cheating as it was impossible to have that many elephants at that stage of the game😂😂😂

@Whisper0ak

10 ай бұрын

Some players regularly claim the other is cheating. This behavior is particularly prevalent among Chinese players.

@Nysyarc

10 ай бұрын

@@Whisper0ak Just people being sore losers at the end of the day. If I was ever genuinely suspicious that my opponent was somehow cheating I would just watch the replay file back from their perspective before throwing around accusations or reporting.

@user-xs9oo9gc7u

10 ай бұрын

Sounds like someone who only knew Persian elephants.

I'm really curious to see what happens to the Persians and their war elephants. because of the elephant in the room* hint. + maybe a Caucasus DLC theme

@StephenParlow

10 ай бұрын

Armenians, Georgians, Azeri, Kurds, Avars... So many to choose from!

@fabiancampos4304

10 ай бұрын

Caucasus DLC Yes please

@glenmcgillivray4707

10 ай бұрын

Hmm imperial age tech. Get elephant archers and war elephants and +30% speed for all elephants No upgrades to elite Just fast elephants charging around the battlefield. Supported by good Paladins, cavalry archers and archers with no gold cost.

@jomolhari

10 ай бұрын

I've been out of touch with the community for a while now, what's that about the Caucasus dlc? I'm interested

@fabiancampos4304

10 ай бұрын

@@jomolhari on the latest patch, the devs said that they haven't forgot about reworking the persians, and some say there is place of a DLC on steam Not announced directly yet though

I came for the elephant fact… I was not disappointed!

Battle elephants with husbandry and mahouts would be terrifying. 😳 Also kinda funny if you think about it. Superspeed(ed) elephants. 😂 Jokes aside i would really like to see elephants being used more, especially battle & war elephants. It's also a shame that a unique tech which adds self-healing to battle elephants only heals 30hp/min. That's less than berserks self-healing (40hp/min) for a unit that has triple the hp of a elite-berserk... I like the idea but it's just really useless like that. Same with one of the camel civs iirc. (Self-healing for camels but it's super weak and thus pretty much useless.)

@ingoseiler

10 ай бұрын

Mahgrebi Camels is a very good tech for post imp Camel Archers. CA civs live off of keeping their CA alive in a deathball way beyond when gold runs out. The Berber Imp Tech elevates their C(amel)A quite a bit over other CA civs.

@87JJosh

10 ай бұрын

Actually it helps a lot to maintain the elephants fighting more time It is not meant to heal the elephant to it's full HP

@CrnaStrela

10 ай бұрын

It is meant for something that has less hp which are elephant archers and armored/siege elephants. Though even that the number still pretty low, now that stronghold got buffed, medical corps is easily the worst unique tech in the game at this point.

@hanzzel6086

10 ай бұрын

Double it and give them an armour boost. That might start getting people's attention.

I love elephants, I'm glad they're getting a nice spotlight (:

SOTL always giving the facts.

Finally, a video all about elephant facts!

I play this casual Single player mode (Inf. Res. 500 pop, Acropolis, Regicide) and there's some useful information for me here. Khmer were hard to play against in that scenario and now I know why I can't win with them against some civs. You also gave me an idea for possible new way to defeat 500 Persian elephants. That's generally near impossible.

@Bzhydack

10 ай бұрын

Celts or Etiopians and go full Siege Onager, should do de trick.

@orionl7406

10 ай бұрын

@@Bzhydack I dunno, AI would probably be able to dodge Post imp SO spam from Celts and Ethiopians

@moon2schyzo

10 ай бұрын

Khmer scorps, Mamelukes and Kamayuks might be the best bets...Siege Onagers can also work

I do like how there are several elephant factions and five different elephant units as I love using them in TotalWar games. And they just sound fun whenever you tell them to do things.

The Elephant facts were great also the vid was interesting XD

I have started upvoting your videos before watching them!

@JohnSmithEx

10 ай бұрын

Fascinating.

Great Video! I was wondering about this diference of civs on the last week. Plus, about the Persians, if they add Battle Elephants to the civ and give the bonus of Mahouts, probably the cost will be more higher than actual(300F 300G) and in if the speed will be that high, they could put less speed on the Battle-E and keep the same speed on War-E( something like 30% and 20-15%) for then).

Love the elephant emoji in the title!!! 🐘

I love how you cant even overlook the prices of the techs! Amazing content as usual man!

0:47, when Spirit said there is more in common than we expect I Agree. but I think he meant having one less Hack/Melee armour than the Knight (Pierce is identical. Hack/Melee is not)

You gave an elephant fun fact. I don't think I've ever seen that in one of these videos haha

Persian rework... wow, I'm hyped now :0 I love so much elephant units 💙💙

Great content as always spirit. Question: do you understand how pathfinding works and why villagers sometimes take weird routes back to the town center when boar luring?

@bluedistortions

9 ай бұрын

Fear

Probably not something many have noticed, but I absolutely love the new tone. It sounds silkier and calmer even than in some of the most recent vids. New mic, maybe? Either way, quieter narrations like these are damn amazing. Thank you!

Hi Sotl I love how you look at things and how you make obvious statements fun to listen/watch and how you jump on very specific topics! I would love to see a video about Archers Civs that doubles down with their UU on what they are already good at. Some of the obvious mentions: - long-ranged Arbalester for Britons and Longbowmen - anti-Archers Civ Vietnamese with Rattan archers and Imp Scirmishers - Mayans: what is the Point of having 4 great answers to archers: 1. Plumed archers 2. Cheaper archers (cost effectiveness counter) 3. Awesome Scirmishers 4. Eldorado Eagle Warriors - what other or new UU could help those and other civs with their weaknesses. Same kind of applies to good cav civs and mounted UU like Lithuanians, Magyars, to name a few. Or a already slow heavy armored Civ like Teutons also having a extremy slow UU…

Appreciate the breakdown as always! On the War Ele front, I'm nervous. War Ele is my favorite unit and I would like them to be a bit more viable in TGs but not if it means destroying their tankiness and general unstoppable quality they have now when you are able to mass them. I wouldn't mind something like Mahouts giving free Heresy to just War Ele or something like that, maybe some other bonus to production speed or the like. But I fear any really big changes will make them OP or totally change their identity. Guess we'll see!

Hurray! Cant wait for more Elephant Facts!!!!

Elephant fact : sources from the 18th and 19th century indicate that battle elephants were extremely underwhelming at this point

Cute little elephant makes a cameo. I’m so happy.

If I understand the AoE wiki correctly, Battle Elephants' trample damage doesn't ignore armor. I'm not sure how relevant trample damage is in big fights generally, but it seems Dravidians are the only civilization to have a really functional trample damage on their elephants, as without Wootz Steel the armor almost always reduces this damage to 1 and Dravidians can sneak in 3-4. Or am I missing something?

@martijnbouman8874

10 ай бұрын

You are missing that the armor is taken into account before one takes 25% of the damage, not after.

@marekgolonka5881

10 ай бұрын

@@martijnbouman8874 thanks! Bad for Dravidians, but good to know!

Hello sir. I was wondering if youve ever considered making a similar video as the one where you compared AoE2 &3 about AoM...I think that would be really intersting and the game really deserves it..its amazing

Oh great i just binged half of your chanel. Hi. Anotha one. LFG

You should have kept the name of civ on screen while talking about each elephant, there are so many that it's easy to forget which one you are talking about. Love all your videos.

I hope that the Persians rework won't be getting rid of the War Elephant, even though it diesn't seem to be really used, I think it's an iconic unique unit of the game ^^

How to fix BE? Battle elephants should get more punch at lower rate. Maybe attack rate 2.0-->3.0, attack 12/14-->18/21. This way they keep unchanged in straight fights but get less exploited by getting outmaneuvered

thanks for your videos sotl

Any day I can learn more Elephant facts is a great day.

Now I just wanna see a Huskarl riding a Burmese chonker.

Fun fact: In ancient Thailand, there’s the honor guard position in army whose only duty is to protect war elephant’s legs in the war. Wherever the elephant goes, these four guys will have to keep up in order to fend off enemy from getting close enough to injured elephant’s legs. It’s a prestige rank that only the best fighters will get promoted into

Imagine the terror your opponent feels when your battle elephants rush into his base with the speed of an elite eagle warrior :p

You know what would be amazing? To give War Elephants to all South and South Eastern Asian civilizations and Persians. Then, give Persians a new UU. Probably a heavy cavalry type.

you know, the idea of calling an elephant, of all things, a glass cannon, is very funny

Something that I would like to see done with battle elephants is a charge ability giving them a temporary boost of speed and trample damage. My interest here is both historical (that's how they were used) and game mechanics allowing a slow tank to briefly become a battlefield wrecking ball.

Maybe the give Persian elephants a charge with trample. A last bit speed boost rather than full time speed increase. Giving them a more offense focused elephant compared to the others often more tanky ones. I have no idea if that would work for their tech tree though.

Awesome video, with great overview and insights. Could you say something about ingame performacnce of the battle elephants? Somehow, I can never make them work...

Nice

You underestimate the Bengali conversion resistance a bit. It adds 1 second to the MAX, but it adds THREE seconds to to MINIMUM, which makes a truly profound difference in how easy it is to evade monks. Bengali elephants can *consistently* evade conversions even from point-blank range, something no other battle elephant can do.

Maybe they finally will put a rider on Persian war elephants

@dirkauditore8413

10 ай бұрын

PLS YES

Would have liked to see Battle Elephants vs. Knights equal resources.

@kartiksaraf4676

10 ай бұрын

that's a battle you are never gonna get though. Knights and paladins will run away and raid your eco. They will never give a direct fight

@valger3652

10 ай бұрын

With equal res knights always lose to ele. Need to outnumber enough to take a good fight. Knights have to use mobility advantage and decide when to fight and when just run. Though some uu cav bets ele cost effective, like boyars, leitis etc.

Persians do need that rework, but I'm ok with the war elephant staying more situational, as a matter of flavor.

Yeah, Elephant facts!!!

When hearing about a Persian reshape I think about changing their double HP bonus on town centres and docks to Feudal age onwards and especially the amputated douchers because of it.

Finally, someone addressed the elephant in the room

Imagine being chased by an elephant with so much armor that you keep stopping to preach at the invaders 😂

Seeing some Dynasties of India civ overviews coming out soon?

Sounds like you need to go to the custom civ mod and make the best elephant civ ever conceived. That or you can ask a friend nicely to do it for you.

does anyone know the name of the last song? (around minute 12)

I miss this game so much.

I love the elephant fact

I think it'd be really interesting to have a civ with faster, but weaker elephants, to allow them to be used like an in-between of knight and regular BE. Maybe in conjunction with Elephant scouts, because why not.

Surely the simplest way to fix the Persians WE would be to give them heresy. They're easily expensive enough that the mere loss of a WE is enough of a punishment.

How do Bengalis elefantos perform with a Teuton ally? Is the overall conversion resistance particularly significant?

thanks gg

0:48 one less melee armour, not pierce armour

0:50 With elephants you could actually have them cost wood instead of food since elephants eat a lot of wood. One of the advantages of their large size is a very long and very slow digestive system that allows them to get nutrients out of things that are too tough for most animals to digestist.

I couldn't help but notice that Dravidians eles don't have the chain between their tusks. Anybody got any idea why?

how often do people pick up heresy? or faith? (both?)

Check out resolution scaling no longer working past the recent update... Had to use it on my laptop with 2560x1440 display to tune it down to 1920x1080 - now I get black or terrain bars on lower and right part of the screen with mismatched units floating over impassable terrain... It happens after loading or launching a second battle in a row - in a first one everything works fine..,

they were the tanks of ancient times before tanks were invented.

I'm a big fan of burmese chonkers. Cheap faith is also pretty clutch for them, though I wish it was a castle age tech. Unfortunately, most people would probably agree that only malay chonkers are actually viable.

Teutonic Knight episode?

Persian War into Battle Elephant with Charge Attack? Maybe that's the route they'll take with them if they add them to that civilisation as they've been adding more and more as the game goes on right. Or just scale up their damage a bit and keep the 50% trample of WAR Elephants somehow instead of the 25%. This would give them Elephants versus pikes against halb civs later on, knights versus archers & siege to a fair extent given their team bonus & camels versus other battle elephants and knight civs. I just really want a Magyars Eco Bonus to be completely honest - I've said hussar/light cav line gains food/wood during combat, but to get them to not be 100% war-like... Maybe to further the raiding theme that is internal to their own civ - by giving them gold/stone miners generate food/wood at a fairly reasonable rate (you mine things & we either steal it or you give us wood for our cav archer arrows or food for us & our horses - battle of Lechfeld... SPOILERS - yes they lost, but the before and after this battle provides a lot of ideas for the civ)! It's not like Magyars have some insane Castle Drop Strategies so this would bypass worries about them becoming too strong in castle & would up their Arena potential for example.

Since Dravidians have unique tech that allows their infantry and cavalry to ignore all armor I don't think they would ever miss those stable units...

How about the recent patch of pathfinding?

I don't think persians War Elephant should be that weak to pike/halbs. It's a super expensive unit, which makes it weak to conversions, it's hard to mass (castle+costs), elite upgrade is stupidly expensive... It's one of those units that should be a game ender, IMHO, if you let persians get to the point where they can spam EWE, it should be GG.

@davidspackman7534

10 ай бұрын

Ya, I love persian War Elephants, but they are weak to one of the cheapest units in the game.

@valger3652

10 ай бұрын

Actually war ele beat halbs with same res. Going for war ele is slow process and in most scenarios is not legit. And even persians gets there, monks is huge problem (combined with halbs)

@Dabeyoun

10 ай бұрын

@@valger3652 Exactly my point. And still they get beaten by halb, even if they are cost effective, because halbs are easy to spam, phants are not.

12:06 ... And Darvidians are best at being worst!

so whats better vs halbs in big groups. vietnamese or malay? resources wise?

12:50 No, we should have Mahout battle elephants. It may sound stupid but it will be fun like Mongolian Drill Seige Rams. It will differentiate them from other battle elephants. It will also differentiate them from War Elephants.

Elephants are best!!! I hope they do justice to these cute guys in the rework!!

Your favourite animal!

Idea for the devs: Give dravidians an elephant as a starting scout. Make it a bit weaker but not much. Lack of speed should already be bad enough for a scout unit. I'm curious how that would play out (specially in Feudal with the ability to make elephants from the stable)

Oh, the elephants on the games are so cute.

Elephants!

What is the best battle elephant out of the civs I’m doest wondering

It would be interesting which team bonuses (of other civs) do the most for battle elephants.

@pavise6333

10 ай бұрын

Malay+Huns put emphasis on "quantity over quality" even more

@professoremeryeetus5292

10 ай бұрын

Teutons. Stack even more conversion resistance.

@commandeurrod974

10 ай бұрын

@@pavise6333 malay gurjaras are better.

I think they should give Dravidians Heresy. if the logic of giving it to Malay is that only civilizations with bad elephants can get it, then they fit the bill too.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that Spirit's favorite animal is... a rainbow trout. Khmer chonkers gave me my first ever online win, stomping a bunch of French ponies. I had never seen anything (not even ETK) smash Frankish cavalry so resoundingly, leading to quite the false sense of invulnerability. Until I met a good monk player- tears in my eyes as I was forced to slay my own heretical hefalumps- and later a player who massed halb. The bigger they are :.(

Hey guys spirit of the law here!

Hey Spirit of the Law, Guys here