Sal literally has not aged, he’s like a literally comic book character

Frank Miller´s art looks like he got a stroke during drawing

@mikebarker8178

6 жыл бұрын

he pulled an Alfred from dark knight 1

They missed a real opportunity to call this "Dark Knight Returns . . . Again!

I first started reading comics in middle school and my school's library had a copy of Dark Knight Returns. At the time I thought it was the greatest thing ever so I immediately picked this up because I thought "Returns was so amazing, I bet the Sequel will be just as awesome!" My eleven year old brain broke because I could not comprehend how bad this book was. I remember reading it and thinking "why do I feel so sad?" And not in the good way where a comic can pull at your heartstrings and make you feel for characters and their situations. I mean I actually felt depressed from how awful and tedious the experience of reading it was.

@esdraslopez4658

4 жыл бұрын

Garrett Knisley oh I can relate... to be fair to Miller though, Strikes Again, though nowhere near as good as Returns, had some good ideas. But I was disappointed :(

@alexanderxstudiosproductio9476

3 жыл бұрын

The art is disgusting returns is fine

@HOTD108_

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderxstudiosproductio9476 Wanna try that sentence again but this time make it coherent?

@spensirmclife6549

5 ай бұрын

Ha my library had the Dark Knight Strikes Again instead of Returns

Favorite Ben/Sal exchange: "No more mutants" in HOUSE OF M on Back Issues Sal, "Basically Chuck says, 'I can't fix her.'" Ben, "I'm sorry. Can we call him 'CHARLES'? I don't want to call him 'Chuck'." Sal, "Wolverine calls him 'Chuck'... So, PROFESSOR CHARLES XAVIER...'" Ben, "You don't have to get so formal."

For the longest time, I was convinced that this book was actually Frank Miller taking all of the stupid, unfounded criticism TDKR ever received and sarcastically making a story out of it. Oh, if only that were actually true.

@moji5235

9 жыл бұрын

Maybe hey it would be really awesome ;_; and makes for a freakin sick story like "Dark Knight Strikes Again is u. All ur criticism created this." said Frank Miller and walked away slowly so that the words could sink in....

I would love to see Ben and Ethan's reaction on Holy Terror.

@Superman-fv4eq

8 жыл бұрын

They punch for a bit and then they'll be mates

@caitlinbrewer4843

6 жыл бұрын

Probably the same as everyone's reaction-the urge to drink.

@jordanlink7020

5 жыл бұрын

I love your profile picture!!! "Well maybe he's changed?"

@austinvoelker9270

5 жыл бұрын

@@jordanlink7020 "You know, go into Space, Dude. You dick-head!" - Mason

@Cybersnake-he4zr

4 жыл бұрын

Austin Voelker you dick head

They always kill Martian Manhunter in meaningless and inconsequential ways. If you're going to totally shit on such an awesome and under-appreciated, under-used character, at least let him go out with a bang. #MMHFTW

@dracowheelz5

8 жыл бұрын

It's Frank Miller, he hates anyone that isn't Batman.

@dracowheelz5

8 жыл бұрын

Jack O Brien Well, as long as she's OBSESSED with Batman, of course. Miller's "characters" only exist to prove how great Batman is. It's practically a crappy fan-fic.

@supernerd5781

8 жыл бұрын

dracowheelz5 You mean as long as she's obsessed with crazy Steve

@dracowheelz5

8 жыл бұрын

"I touched my mother's breast. It bled on me"

@stephengrant4841

8 жыл бұрын

+dracowheelz5 he likes Daredevil, i think. Because Daredevil looks like the red, blind, red haired marvel batman minus a cape.

I feel like how the heroes treat Batman is how DC Editorial treats Frank Miller, Just too scared to actually do anything about him even though they totally could

I hate what Frank Miller did to Dick Grayson! You don't do that to the first Robin!

@esdraslopez4658

4 жыл бұрын

Matthew Arenson oh I can forgive everything else, but I wont forgive that!!!

@joaquinjfernandez1528

3 жыл бұрын

@@esdraslopez4658 is that sarcasm, dicl grayson was ruined in this scene

@esdraslopez4658

3 жыл бұрын

Joaquin J Fernandez no, not sarcasm. Dick is my favorite and I hated that part of the book

@ApolloCalrissian

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, fuck the entire concept of that child soldier. He sucks, he's always sucked.

I read this for the first time like 7 years ago, my suspension of disbelief still hasn't recovered

It literally blows my mind that is was 2015 when this came out and still think this is by far best review on the comic

@HOTD108_

2 жыл бұрын

As someone born in 2016, I laugh in your face.

@LeonardoSilva-nh2gg

Жыл бұрын

@@HOTD108_ how old are you?

Dark Knight Strikes again is a much better comic book when you're high and/or drunk.

@billybutt9014

9 жыл бұрын

Tamentonen Hageshi Or blind.

@nashforcash

9 жыл бұрын

***** got em

@KSG0422

8 жыл бұрын

Or torturing someone

@michaelkelley88

8 жыл бұрын

+Tamentonen Hageshi or dead

@comradedyatlov199

8 жыл бұрын

Moo

"...you get it anyways but you get a F#@$ you on the card." -Ben THE DARK KNIGHT STRIKES AGAIN on Back Issues! @ 2:20

@legoman278

10 жыл бұрын

Lol

@AntonioGuadagno

10 жыл бұрын

I think you've picked a winner.

@comicpop

10 жыл бұрын

Duder5000 THANK YOU for timestamping it!

@GankMo

10 жыл бұрын

Congrats!

Miller what have you done?!

"PETER I'M BACK AND IM PISSED" evil zombie uncle ben from death in the family: The death of Jason Todd in BATMAN: A DEATH IN THE FAMILY

I'm sorry we didn't see and hear the incredulous "WHAT?" from Ben and/or Ethan when the "Mysterious Joker Wannabe" is discovered to be The Insane Original Robin! I don't even remember what drove him over the edge! I'd hate to hunt down MY copy of this awful story but unless Sal does a follow-up I guess that's my only option. At least it wasn't just me who hated this train wreck! Nice review guys!

@comicpop

10 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I really messed that up. We lost some real gold there ;)

@comicpop

9 жыл бұрын

***** We lost that segment.

@runeanonymous9760

2 жыл бұрын

(It was years of horrific abuse- maybe not sexual, and I think that financial requires, like, a job or allowance or adulthood if it’s parental, but basically everything else)

I think my favorite quite has to be from Sal, in one of the live 4 hour epic live-shows: "I can't trust joy anymore..."

DKR is a classic. I struggled to even get through Strikes Again.

WTF!!!!!???!!!!! did Superman ever do to Frank Miller?

26:07 I am very disturbed about how much that headcanon makes sense. But I’m not surprised these guys ca,e up with a better explanation for everyone’s behavior in the comic.

I have to admit, when you guys review terrible books, its the best. like Kightfall, that was hilarious. "I don't think you graduate to Catgirl" LOL

@Goodbutevilgenius

3 жыл бұрын

@Chandler Burse If not for the date, I'd suggest he was talking about the other Knightfall.

Sal as Alan Moore. "Oh well it's all just bollocks isn't it"

I'm not sure what my favorite quote is, but everything Ben says is gold.

It's too hard to choose one favourite line, Sal's impersonations are great, any time Ethan comments on the Spider God that's my new favourite quote of his or any of Ben's water analogies. So I'm gonna go with any of the weighted sighs Sal does whenever he realises how ridiculous what he's about to explain will sound.

Been here since episode 5 and I frequently re-watch episodes because i love them so much especially while i game and find it amazing to see you still respond to people even on these old videos.

Just imagine if all these characters and story plots actually went RIGHT! MIND BLOWN

I'm in the .0001% who appreciates the "rubber joker" concept...oh well

Ethan "You know, they have that Kryptonian HVAC" - Ben "Yeah, that's going to be a long wait for the maintenance call"

For a moment I was thinking about getting that book (knowing absolutely nothing about it) but after seeing this... THANK THE MAKER I didn't!!!! Great show guys... Keep it up!

I've always thought of The Dark Knight Strikes Again as an insane version of Kingdom Come.

I REALLY wish you guys did Final Crisis before this video! Ben's quote at the end when he's making fun of Grant Morrison, was EASILY the best quote. "You don't understand, I WENT to the Fourth World! And they handed me this story, and I thanked them! And when I took the book, it turned into a DICK, and it put it in my mouth! And when I looked up, it was ME and it was MY dick my mouth!!" I nearly died of laughter first time I heard that hahahaha

Thank you, you prevented me from buying DKSA and that was 20$ I didn't have to waste

@comicpop

9 жыл бұрын

Oscar Pineda Woohoo! Read it for free. It's insanity.

@SLITTHROAT13

9 жыл бұрын

Dude I googled it and saw some images, wow the art looks like crap.

@moji5235

9 жыл бұрын

SLITTHROAT13 Its not that bdad sure the hands were big and it certainly wasn't good! but it ALWAYS happens that when something is rated bad by many guys or by a certain someone - people jump on the bandwagon and go ya frank is so dum and his work sucks my gosh DK2 is stupid and buying it for 20$ is not a waste because it has some good in it just like i thought All-Star Batman was good (not great) because good artwork and quite a good story. U can't just write it off because he said "I'm the goddamn Batman" because it really isn't that bad

@BigBoss-cm6tq

9 жыл бұрын

+Moji it's not bad!? RUBBER FUCKING JOKER

@thatHARVguy

6 жыл бұрын

I hated DKSA so much, after I lent it out to a former friend I refused to take it back when he offered to return it. Several times. That was my *FU* to DC, Miller and the former friend.

favorite ben quote. sal: miles warren is a jacked old man ben: yea hes the JACKel the JACKEDel

You left out the part where Brainiac kills a family from Kandor every time they want to "motivate" Clark.

Ethan: "Kryptonian HVAC?"

Ben and Ethan are just paging through DK2 and then when Ethan opens Dark Knight Returns theres this bright light that jst shines out

I think this book is in fact a Bizzaro World prequel. Great video by the way

This book (along with most of Miller's post 2000 work) is a guilty pleasure for me. I'm not sure why. Anyway at least we can all be sure that DK3 will either be amazing or amazingly hilarious!

The best quote for your post card came from this vid "what the fuck is happening in this god dame book" lmao sums up everything

I love the outro music in these old episodes

"I think it would be complicated to live inside a bottle."that was good.

I actually liked this comic because of his punk rock-black humor- social satyre tone, and i love frank miller's new cartoon style, but you're right, the colour is lame

@esdraslopez4658

4 жыл бұрын

Jorge Rgz-Taboadela true, Frank is brilliant at social satire, in his weird dark way

Nice retrospective, think I'll read it for myself, sounds appealing.

I wish I could afford comics now that they're so expensive, I used to buy a comic every other week. Now, the income is pretty slow, all the story info I get is from either Wikipedia or you guys, so thanks for keeping me caught up with current stories and events in today's comic. ✌😃

Wow I think DK2 is what happens when Frank Miller gets really drunk and has a weird dream...then draws with a hangover? Yikes, that is such a bad story

@crimsoncrow

10 жыл бұрын

Everyone knows you write drunk. The thing is Frank Miller never edits, sober or not. ...haha Hemingway humor...

Frank Miller's take on Green Lantern in this book is probably the most bizarre thing I've ever seen.

For my quote I shall put an action which is whenever the camera zoom in on Ben or Ethan's face after sal says something weird

26:27 EVERYONE IS CLAYFACE! **C O L O R S W E A V E I N T O A S P I R E O F F L A M E**

Why does everyone’s face in this book like a crumpled up piece of paper?

I really want Sal to do this one again. IDK how or when, but I feel for the recording gremlin alone, I’d like to see more.

The art in these books was so bad it was frustrating to read.

@Ducaso

8 жыл бұрын

JCN 3 Oh you're eager, no doubt. I disagree with you at a fundamental core value, but I won't insult you for liking what you like for the reasons you want.

@randyrogers1853

6 жыл бұрын

The dark knight returns art is very bleh but it's story is AMAZING

I absolutely love the image you put up for crazy but not stupid...."crazy but ties together well." Of course it would be Morrison. I do have a question. You mentioned at the beginning that there was only one time of weirdness between Batman and Catgirl, and that you would swing back to that. It must be in the part that got lost, because I never saw it. From the sounds of it I don't want to read this to find out, but now it is buggin me not knowing. Could you fill me in on what you were going to say about it?

@comicpop

8 жыл бұрын

+Karl Porter I think I was referring to the weird ending where he called her pet names as the bat cave sank into lava. Thanks for asking!

16:50 Aquaman: AGAIN WITH YOU TWO!?!?!?!?

This was my first ever episode of Back Issues, and my introduction to ComicPop as a whole! It holds a special place for me, and in some morbid, ridiculous way so does this book. I first read it as a kid, and had a deep fascination with the art and used to carry it around in middle school just to look at every now and then. I reread it recently as a now 21 year old adult, and that morbid fascination just came flooding back. I understand now better than ever what Miller was ATTEMPTING to do, even if it doesn't technically succeed, and my appreciation for it is certainly sustained. That said, although this comment will probably get lost - I DESPERATELY need to see this book revisted on Back Issues with the more modern approach. Sal going into the deeper history of how it came to be, going more in-depth with trying to understand the story and its implications, and finally seeing a proper reaction from Ben and Ethan to that final reveal. This episode more than any other needs a redux, considering the footage that was lost. Although perhaps not likely, I hope to one day see that episode come to fruition, with the hour long + length. One day maybe!

'The story progresses... if you could call it that.' I lost it XD Fantastic review, you saved me $30.

You guys explained it well, but I don't think anyone in the world could explain this well enough for someone else to understand it

"you'd have a million tiny supermen" I think Sal predicted Williamson's Batman/Superman run

Annnd he's banned!

@mylesgaddy8867

6 жыл бұрын

It's like we lost a friend. A crazy, drunken, high, idiotic friend.

@megamonmon

6 жыл бұрын

Matt Hill RIP

@scifi-factory9969

6 жыл бұрын

I knew it. i missed all the fun

First appearance of Reader from the Inhumas on the new this week shelf behind. I'd like one of those...

At 13:20 Frank Miller must have seen this and thought "Man, what a great idea!"

lol "Everything gets crazy in the future"

I miss the fold-up "I'm going to watch my son's Little League game" chair. Sal, all you were missing was an air-horn and a Big Gulp.

@comicpop

10 жыл бұрын

It took up too much space ;)

Not sure aboot Ethan, but Ben's best comment is "Wait... What?!"

I'm so scared but intrigued by a possible Holy Terror Back Issues.

2014 "...because we would elect a hologram!" oh boy....

@esdraslopez4658

4 жыл бұрын

Echidna 😂😂

great review!

Ah, #27 is a Batman story. Well played, Detective.

Could u guys do some back issues eps about tdkr and watchmen

Guys, imagine this. A Cosmo T-Shirt, that shit would sell out. Anyways, great vid as usual. I'm planning on reserving a copy of the shirt soon.

Oldie but goodie

5:08 but “year one” and “TDKR” both take place in the 80s, how does that work?

An issue of "Fantastic Four" that's "New this week" - I've not seen anything like that in a comic shop for a while

My favorite Batman book.

@ElectroslairBlogspot

9 жыл бұрын

Yes

I liked the part where shazam died and I'd kind of like to see how/why Hal became a green lantern in that universe. Not a corp member, but the lantern itself?

@changvasejarik62

2 жыл бұрын

It’s funny to me that for all the mockery and assassination of superheroes from golden age to ditko to modern age done in strikes again. That frank miller showed a better understanding and respect of captain marvel than most dc writers in the last 15 years. Plus considering the whole “damn you and your lemonade” moment from asbar that Hal is shown to be capable of constructs bigger than planets one can only imply an epic of legends happened between asbar and strikes again for Hal Jordan.

F..king love these guys

Ben looks like a bit like Heath Ledger :D

Ben - "They really filter their pee a lot..."

it looks like every charter is ringo stars ms paint art on crack

Hello person refreshing to see the insanity of Disco and Tex. How are you and were you also confused when you checked out their channel?

@megamonmon

6 жыл бұрын

PriceyYeti40 Im fine and Naw I came from Twitter

@REMIX909

6 жыл бұрын

I'm good. And his Channel just makes me think that they're just an angry person

@Squallyy

6 жыл бұрын

PriceyYeti40 I'm 90% sure at this point that it's actually Frank Miller

@mylesgaddy8867

6 жыл бұрын

Im in a state of shock.

@confusedmagicduckenthusias4774

6 жыл бұрын

I too was confused why two of the host hadn't read the comic until Sal did the intro then I was fine.

I love this book.

So why was rubber joker dick grayson going around killing people? And also not dying when getting blown up?

@comicpop

10 жыл бұрын

PlayForLOLs He was really mad about being fired by Batman. It was a really poor characterization.

@PlayForLOLs

10 жыл бұрын

Haha wow I'll say, get fired so better start killing people.

@comicpop

10 жыл бұрын

PlayForLOLs Yeah. Plus getting fired like, fifteen years ago.

@PlayForLOLs

10 жыл бұрын

Hahah really? And only now he decides to go all crazy? Seems like miller didnt know what to do after dark knight returns.

6:07 Cheeto Mascot my sister says

wow you guys got super geeky on the city of Kandor discussion lol it was like chill its bottled just suspend your disbelief!

You mentioned you were gonna get to something about the Catwoman/Catgirl and Batman connection, but I guess that it was lost in the camera breakdown. What was it? I'm sure its creepy as hell and, therefore, hilarious.

@ryebreadreturn1

10 жыл бұрын

I don't remember this coming up again during filming. I think Sal just forgot.

I would love to see a Holy Terror review. any plans for that in the future?

@comicpop

8 жыл бұрын

+Archi Teuthis That's a big yes.

@architeuthis3476

8 жыл бұрын

I look forward to it! I used to call it the Birth of a Nation of comics - but I realized that there are people who think highly of Birth of a Nation (for reasons I don't understand), but NOBODY thinks highly of Holy Terror.

@NoBody-lj5xh

2 жыл бұрын

@@comicpop Give it to us, cowards! (jk, love you guys)

When I first read Strikes Again as a teen, I was utterly confused about the art style, and the colouring was something I had trouble getting used to, it just looked so ugly. Lex Luthor looks so different and monstrous it's hard to even believe it's meant to be him. At first I thought Dick Grayson as the 'Joker' was interesting since it hadn't been done before, but the more I thought about it the more I realised how utterly bizarre, disrespectful and stupid it was, on top of making DKSA Batman look even more like an arsehole. It's easy to buy that it's set in the same continuity as All-Star Batman and Robin, but not in regards to Year One and The Dark Knight Returns. If you look at it in that chronological order, he goes back and forth between traditional Batman and nutjob. Just such a mess.

@runeanonymous9760

2 жыл бұрын

Well, between New Joker, Joker Junior, and the Red Hood, Stephanie and Damian have some catching up to do there

Would you guys say The Dark Knight: The Last Crusade is worth the read??

Holy crap this environment is 2020

Hey Guys it would be really cool to see you guys do a review of the old DC comics annual crossover bloodlines with the crazy wannabe aliens that go around making all the new hero's that they never really did anything with. It is a classic display of the 90's comics and I think Lobo was probably the best part in that story.

@comicpop

10 жыл бұрын

wayne brenda oleary I still have my Razorsharp issue.

@waynebrendaoleary6834

10 жыл бұрын

TVLittleHouse Nice I think I liked balistic the best the red guy with all the guns. but I think that was because at the time I was really into punisher and also savage dragon and he reminded me of them.

The worst part about this comic was the beatdown of Superman. I'm surprised you didn't mention how Batman keeps ranting about how Superman never learned to think strategically because he only relied on his superpowers, which is total bullshit. If Superman was that dumb and couldn't deal with a foe who knew his weaknesses, Lex Luthor would've taken him down in no time. I am so sick of hearing about how Batman can beat Superman, Galactus, Goku and Chuck Norris all at once with one hand tied behind his back because of prep time. It's gotten to the point where Batman is more ludicrously overpowered than Superman ever was. I would love it if the Superman-Batman movie said nuts to the Dark Knight Returns and instead went the route of Luffy's fight against Usopp. THAT'S how a fight between a guy with powers and a guy who's weak but smart should play out. But we all know that's not going to happen.

@chickenwing27

9 жыл бұрын

You sir...won the internet. Finally someone who agrees with me on spot. I think most of this "Im Batman and I'm better than everyone " crap mostly came due to Frank. He did the same shit, but worse in All Star Batman And Robin. I love Batman as much as the next guy, but this has to stop. I like Batman the scared, to be HUMAN. I like it when his plans don't always go according to plan. And i especially hate it when writers write an egocentric Batman. The DKR is one. People always go to that as fact that Batman beat Superman., but all Batman did that story was make a big speech and fake a heart attack. Shit, that fucking story ain't even canon

@liverusrock6789

8 жыл бұрын

+TB Tabby the fight between Luffy and Usopp is great, you know luffy is going to win but at the same time you see the different ideas of Usopp to fight Luffy.

@M8f4t5R4e3

8 жыл бұрын

+TB Tabby Man, after reading your comment the gears in my head have been turning coming up with how to respond so I'll keep this brief. 1. You're right about the Superman beatdown. Batman was being a complete dick and his only reason for his actions was because fuck Superman? Fuck that. 2. I also hate how some bat-fans make Batman an unbeatable character (despite many criminals evading him in the past). The real reason why Batman wins most his fights is due to his extreme adaptability not just his planning (though that helps). 3. I've both read and seen the Luffy v. Usopp fight and loved the hell out of how it was executed, but that logic does not apply to Batman v. Superman. Usopp lost to Luffy because Usopp fought in a place Luffy had the advantage (an open area) and Usopp had only one plan of attack, an all or nothing sorta thing. Batman would never fight Superman on his terms (a straight up fight, armored or not, 'cause that pretty stupid), Batman would (and I'm sorry I've become a hypocrite) have tons of plans and back up plans for dealing with Superman, Batman could also psych him out or use sonic devices to mess with him (I mean, Superman has the greatest hearing in the world, imagine if that was used against him). Plus in point 2, Batman is super adaptable, if a plan fails, he'll think of something. Not all fights with powered guys and normal smarts guys should play out like the Luffy v. Usopp fight cause the match ups usually wouldn't be that uneven. Batman has the capability of beating Superman and vise visa. There nothing more to it than that. P.S. Sorry, this wasn't brief at all.

@panthor109thabest7

6 жыл бұрын

TB Tabby I believe Batman could beat superman only when superman is written as normal. He is smart but not Batman. Superman would beat Batman if he was not naive or holding back

As far as the art goes Miller is an acquired taste, all the Sin City graphic novels have their rough spots but can be extremely beautiful in places..here he really dropped the ball though, all the empty backgrounds and Lynn Varley having to fill the void with the wackest, crudest stylistic computer coloring I've ever seen in a DC comic book...all the pixelated photoshop effects are what a first time photoshop user can make in seconds, the foreground images are nicely cut out but it's like Varley and Miller decided on the finished look for laugh; pixelated lightning (likely a blown up stock image) and the damn swishes of color with a radial blur all throughout...I still can't believe they made this shit to sell commercially and DC let them get away with it. She did a good job on the first book 'The Dark Knight Returns' and it's one of the best graphic novels of all time in my opinion. I can't understand what went wrong here though...my guess is it was time / money from DC, and Miller and her saying f*** you to DC over what can be assumed was minimal royalties from the first book which has probably sold like crazy over the years and made DC a tonne of cash. I just hope DC pay them well and give them the time DK3 deserves to make sure we don't see this shit again...I haven't taken a look at DK3 yet, will wait till they finish, not exactly in a rush to check it out either after DK2 though. Please someone, tell me that so far the new run is a step up from this!

After reading DK3; I think it would be cool if Miller, Azzarello, and Kubert remade The Dark Knight Strikes Again from the ground up.

Do you own a comic book store?

After a long time, finally I read it; to be honest I loved it, yes the art is repulsive to some extent but it seems it was on purpose. I don't understand the hate, the story was very simple. And for your information the love between Bruce & Carrie was just like father & daughter, which was made so clear in the end. This might not be at par with Dark Knight Returns, but I really loved it.

@HOTD108_

2 жыл бұрын

You don't understand the hate? Look, it's completely valid for you or anyone else to like this book if that's your honest opinion, but c'mon man surely you can at least understand why others hate it?

Wait,did you see that?

Have you guys heard of "Frank Miller's Big Damn Sin City"?

I got Dark Knight Deluxe Edition, and was happy because it included Dk 2 , then I saw Dk 2 and cried and regreted spending the extra allowance money on the deluxe edition

Has there been a story dealing with the Kryptonian's of the city of Kandor being exposed to sun light. That'd probably be a cool story. Because there is tech obviously in the universe to make things smaller and larger. So why has that never been touched on.

And then he licks it out of the bowl like a cat... because thats what he fucking does!