Didn’t think Bartok’s melodies in the Six Hungarian Dances were so close to the original sources. Hearing this is eerie and kind of mind blowing!

@Musique3579

3 жыл бұрын

John Proulx I never would have believed that the actual recordings were so close to this famous Suite that was embraced so well by the public. But, Bartok did not lie. He was representing what he heard as well as using his own mind to figure what the harmonies should be. In this case, very conventional so to speak compared to most of his other works. bty: Lugging Cylinder Recording machines around is heavy work.(25+-50lbs!) But then, you have the very fragile "wax cylinders" to record upon. Easily broken these were. Until the close up, I had always thought that Bartok was using an Edison Phonograph to record upon. Not so. The recording head is that of the Columbia Phonograph Company. Too bad Bartok never had a Bettini recorder to work with.

@julianwynne8705

2 жыл бұрын

@@Musique3579 But what CONCEIVABLE INTEREST can it be, to anyone (apart from themselves), that 'John Proulx' and 'Musique3579' 'didn't think' or 'never would have believed' - something or other!? The clownish terminology - 'KIND OF mind-blowing', 'the ACTUAL recordings' etc. reveal intelligences so far inferior to Bartok's as to require external evidence (not forthcoming, unsurprisingly) to justify the presence of their foolish comments here.

@thekarnyx

2 жыл бұрын

@@julianwynne8705 imagine ranting about other people's use of language on KZread. What a sad human being must you be

@julianwynne8705

2 жыл бұрын

@@thekarnyx First, sorry if it appeared to be a 'rant'; but, second, I don't understand what is the NUB of your comment: have you a principled objection to people commenting on other people's use of language, on KZread? Third, I don't FEEL 'sad'! - happier, rather, since I reached (in my own mind, naturally I mean - and equally naturally may be mistaken) a perspective on all the 'music' there is, which enables me to understand how much time I - speaking comparatively - 'wasted', half a century ago, listening to Bowie rather than Bach, and no longer do.

@birdzzzondayflu2489

9 ай бұрын

@@julianwynne8705horrible gimmick account

Dear users, thank you for all your likes and comments. I'm very happy so many people appreciate these recordings!

@TheSterminator96

3 жыл бұрын

thanks from the future mister

@reddwood4971

Жыл бұрын

Thanks from further in the future my friend

@adriancameron8665

5 ай бұрын

what a revelation to hear this source material. Thank you!

The violin arrangement with false harmonics nicely mimics the recorder flutes.

Bartok was a musicologist and wrote numerous books that analyzed patterns from the melodies from his field recordings in Asia minor. I believe one of his texts attempted to find the root link between Hungarian and Turkish melody structures, scales, and rythms.

@tomowenpianochannel

9 ай бұрын

The whole nomadic culture is built into these records... Hungary is a melting pot in Europe, but much of what makes its music (Liszt, Bartok, Dohnanyi and others) is definitely Turkic, by which is probably meant Central Asian, and from there the roads lead to China and India and Russia... it is the most interesting field for any musicologist.

Bartok was aware of the purity, realness and spontaneous quality of folk music.

Holst and Vaughn Williams also went into their own "back country" in search of ethnic folk songs but Bartok, taking advantage of the more advanced technology of his day, actually took a phonograph with him to record folk songs from his own country and surroundings. Amazing.

0:01 Joc cu Bâtă 1:26 Brâul 1:53 Pe loc 2:41 Buciumeana 3:17 Poargă Românească 3:50 Măruntelul 1st Dance 4:12 Măruntelul 2nd Dance

Thanks a Million for this! Exactly what i was looking for. I can imagine the original sound behind the poor recording! ❤

SPECTACULAR! OMG, so amazing to actually have access to the source material that inspired Bartok. Unbelievable! Thank you!!

Can I buy you a beer for this amazing post? Anytime, anyplace!

I had always hoped one day I could hear these gems of musical history. Thank you so much for sharing.

This is absolutely one of the best things about KZread! Thank you for making these priceless recordings available for all to listen!

from one musicologist to another, THANK YOU so much for sharing this!!

It's amazing to hear the inspirations for Bartók's brilliant transcriptions. Thank you!

I did research on these many years ago and like you struggled to find them - thank you so much for sharing them and making them more accessible.

An actual time machine. Invaluable. Thank you for loading this.

I'm so glad you posted this, and thanks for taking the trouble to find it for me and everybody else.

This is wonderful as it dissolves some of the mistery shrouding these compositions. Thank you so much for uploading this.

Thank you so much for sharing these recordings, I absolutely love them! What an amazing bit of history.

Thank you so much! I was struggling to find these field recordings, too. Having them all in one place on this video has been a great help to my own research!

Wow, amazing! Thank you so much for putting this online to make it easier for those of us interested in Bartok's field work to find the actual recordings.

This is phenomenal, thank you for posting.

Incredible. Thnk you so much for the upload !!!!

Thank you very much for putting this up.

Thank you so much for posting this!

Thank you from the bottom of my existence, and on behalf of my late father...thank you...I listen it over and over again. Thank you..

Thank you! I'm actually doing a research as well. So great to be able to listen to this treasure!

Wow...what a gem of a recording!

This is absolutely amazing! Thanks for sharing!..

Thx for the upload!!!

Thank you very much for uploading this document! Greetings from Argentina

This is a piece of history that deserves to last eons.

This is just incredible.

Thanks so much. Can't wait to share this with my students.

Thank you for sharing!

Thanks so much for posting! Using for my masters report!

Thank you for sharing this!!

you're a truly generous soul

Thank you very much! it’s great to listen to.

Thank you for sharing this treasure!

Óriási! Köszönjük!

Thank you for sharing ❤🎶🙏🏽

Great document! Thanks for sharing!

You just made my day today. Just about ready to talk to my Appreciation students about ethnomusicology.

Thanks a million!

thanks for posting!

I thought that it would be impossible to listen to this

Thank you for sharing this very important musical document

the first and fourth (i think) were part of a collection of bartok's field recordings issued on folkways records which i used to have. fascinating stuff.

thank you for sharing!!!!

Thanks for posting!!!!!

Thank you!

Amazing! Thank you!

WOW! Thank you!

I was just about to make a video of this and put it up to share but you beat me to it! Great resource

This is how composers refine those unpolished gems to perfection.

nagyon szépen köszönöm!! this rocks!!

beautiful!! thanks lots!!!

thank you so much!!

Thank you for this post - revelatory indeed!

@mitismondjak This is amazing and fascinating, thank you!

Thank you for posting. Intriguing. I don't have much liking for Bartok's music but his 'folk dances' is a brilliant exception. He clearly had an ear for a good tune and harmony as did English composers of the late 19th century regarding folk music. Vaughan Williams & George Butterworth among several. Like a previous poster, I would like to buy you a pint.

Extraordinary!!!!!!!!!!

Wow! Thank you!

Sends shivers through my spine

Marvellous!

Thanks, amazing!

This is amazing; thank you for the effort! There is a video on KZread with Bartok himself playing the piece on the piano.

@myprrrecious

8 жыл бұрын

+Curatica C where??!?!

@curaticac5391

2 жыл бұрын

@@myprrrecious I hope that in the meantime they were found; nonetheless a search for "Bartok playing piano" would display several. Here is one: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iKWXzpallrG3lbA.html. Note that all are piano rolls, though.

Could I use this recording for a live concert on the 9th of June? Or would there be a copyright issue?

@birdzzzondayflu2489

5 ай бұрын

I know this is 3 years later, but I can’t imagine anyone could claim these recordings - I know Bartok died in America; I wonder if American copyright law would have even allowed him to claim these if he wanted to

THANK. YOU. SO. MUCH.

The material for his dances, Sz.8a is so THERE... what a crazy labour he went through while writing down the harmonies for this music... we will never really get it... thank you for this rare and splendid upload. 3:27 is that him in the corner?

This breaks my heart

amazing!

Great document !

Awesome !

The musicians are Romanians from Transylvania, to be more specific.

Thanks !!!!

Anyone who is interested in finding these recordings on the hard-to-follow website: 1. Follow the link in the description 2. Locate the tabs at the bottom of the page (They are in Hungarian); Click the last tab (the search engine.) 3. Select the location of the recording under the tab "megye" (meaning county) (they were recorded in Maros-Torda, Bihar, Torda-Aranyos, and Torontal). I found this to narrow the search best. Putting in the years they were recorded (1910-1912) yielded too many search results. All the best.

@sbye717

7 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for the tip! Just wondering if you've got the BR numbers for the tunes? Writing an essay on this work at university but am still struggling to find the recordings on the original website...

@loveplayingviolin

7 жыл бұрын

Hey Seth, tried replying earlier but I can't find my reply. Maybe it'll pop up later. They just recently updated their website, which is annoying because I had just figured out how to use their old website after much struggle, haha. Unfortunately I hadn't recorded the BR numbers ;( If you do find them, please share. Try using the search bar (luckily they have an english page now) and narrow by county and years.

@sbye717

7 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for getting back to me! I actually had the same problem as you, managed to find it on their old website and it now they seem to have disappeared from the new website! Will let you know if I do manage to find them again. Cheers :)

Thanks!!

brilliant!!

How interesting!

You rock

Thank you very much! Very interesting! Any chance to have insight into your Masters Research?

Hello, thank you for sharing this awesome testimony of Bartok's field research ! Do you know the year of the first one (the theme of the first Romanian folk dance Sz 56) ?

¡¡Thank you for the upload!!, ¿Can you share your master tesis, or is it on some magazine? I'm doing some research in my university on Bártok's relationship with folk music, it will be most useful to make quotation of your research.

Is it possible to read your master thesis? I would be very interested in it!

Hello, my name is Pepi, I was looking for a Romanian violin player called " Ion Durain" apparently, he had a record made probably in Hungary or Austria in about 1905 and on but not knowing precise information. He's son had one and one in (Petrovasala, he's natal village) but diapered and no one was able to get to it. Can you please help find he's recording. I tried without success. These old recording are grate values and appreciated by many enthusiastic audiences that recognize the value of your hard work to get to this excellent old recording. Keep a good and valuable work! With appreciation and many thanks! Pepimandi

Is the melody at 1:11 recorded in full, or is this all we have of it?

RRRRRRRRRRRRRE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCO ESTE BARTOK

@MatyBravo

7 жыл бұрын

jajajaja a quien me vengo a encontrar jajaj

@lucianoagustinroa354

7 жыл бұрын

jajajaajaj todos los caminos conducen a Bartok

Thanks for posting these! Any way to get in touch with you via email? I'd like to see more of your research.

I don't know why...but it's very nostalgic for me,I'm not a Romanian or Hungarian.

@DenisSzalbot

10 ай бұрын

Music is common for all of us man...

Use the link in the description. The data base is in Hungarian but maybe you can figure out how to navigate in it...

@loveplayingviolin

7 жыл бұрын

mitismondjak, thank you SO much for this upload! I was trying to use the link you gave in the description- I was only found the first dance (Joc Cu Bata) on track #26 (I finally figured out that I needed to use the tabs below to gain access to all the tracks). Would you happen to remember the tracks for the other ones? I went through all of them but I could not find. Trying to use this website for my final lecture recital and paper, for which it would be better to cite the actual source. Any help is GREATLY appreciated!! Much love!

@loveplayingviolin

7 жыл бұрын

I found out how. Was quite a struggle but I'm glad I found them!!

@brettchapman733

6 жыл бұрын

Can you post how you worked out how to find pieces on the database ? For example the dances form the video above? using Browse or Search? systems.zti.hu/br/en/search

I would also like to see your research if possible.

@butterman0007

10 жыл бұрын

Yes please. That sounds fascinating.

@paolopiaser6904

8 жыл бұрын

+Spook_Dog Yes +mitismondjak @mitismondjak , please, post your research!

@brettchapman733

7 жыл бұрын

Did you ever find out where "mitismondjak" posted his/her Masters' Research? I too would also like to see the Thesis.

what year exactly are these?

Why did you use the cropped photo that cuts out curious girls peering over the fence (remarkable social portrait) and a German shepherd dog on the right?

@klezmando

8 жыл бұрын

+Allan Evans Can you post that photo?

@arbiterrecords

8 жыл бұрын

arbiterrecords.org/a-playlist-of-origins/

@klezmando

8 жыл бұрын

+Allan Evans Thanks. Great stuff on your website. I know some the guys that also had lessons from Rev. Davis.

@arbiterrecords

8 жыл бұрын

Who are your Davis contacts?

@klezmando

8 жыл бұрын

+Allan Evans Woody Mann and Alan Smithline. There might be others,.

does anyone know the instrument played in movt 1 field recording?

I know I sound dumb, but: What Instrument is that in the recordings?

I think the third dance (beginning at 1:53) is actually more interesting than Bartok's treatment of it (Pe Loc), at least melodically.

@NetRolller3D

7 ай бұрын

There's a rendition of that piece by a professional of the "kaval" / "caval" instrument it was originally recorded on - and yes, it's got a lot more complexity to it than what Bartók captured. You can find it on KZread as "Muzsikás Pe Loc".

The database is only for the hungarian folk music. Do someone knows where we could find the romanian folk music recordings?

@xxxNeuesKontoxxx

3 жыл бұрын

zti.hungaricana.hu/hu/search/results/?list=eyJxdWVyeSI6ICJiYXJ0XHUwMGYzayBiXHUwMGU5bGEifQ&per_page=20 zti.hungaricana.hu/hu/map/?layers=google-roadmap%2Cvector-data&bbox=1050858%2C4950770%2C4807890%2C6563652 Actually there are also alot of recordings of romanian folk musik

@pipimandi

Жыл бұрын

Hi, I am looking for the same thing. ION DURAIN (Romanian from Petrovasala (Vladimirovac now in Banat, Serbia, on that time was Austro-Hungarian emp.) had a few records done in one of these countries, Hungary or Austria by Victor rec. studio. Please anyone, help Thanks in advance!

What does this mean? those melodies existed before, he recorded them and then wrote them down for orchestra?

@kristenvandyck5605

8 жыл бұрын

These are all folk dances that Bartok recorded, researched, and used to inspire his own works. If you look up another recording of Bartok's Romanian Folk Dances it is piano and violin. It's really interesting to play the piece, then listen to these recordings and see how Bartok transformed them into the classical genre.

@kittyscherbatskaya8122

8 жыл бұрын

Ah! thanks. yes it's very interesting. I would almost say, he rather "ordered" these melodies and wrote them down? like it's not really *his* melodies (in my opinion). I wonder, if you know, if all musicians worked this way? There are the famous Hungarian Dances and many more of the like. They also were created this way?

@kristenvandyck5605

8 жыл бұрын

Bartok is one of the famous ones for capturing music from ranges of culture and creating his own "version" of the works. These pieces were commonly played, like how cultures have work songs, party songs, etc. Bartok just recorded these for research and inspiration. Some used folk music from their native country, others from inspiration of different countries. Composers who used folk inspiration would be Dvorak (most famous for the history of his writing of the New World Symphony), Brahms' Hungarian Dances, Tchaikovsky (a Russian who used Spanish influence), Rimsky-Korsakov, Hindemith, Shostakovich (wrote nationalistic pieces in German style), etc. Then, a lot of composers use the influence of composers before them to incorporate into their work. Composers like Bach, Haydn, and Beethoven heavily influenced style and format of music.

@traianmusatescu9045

5 жыл бұрын

yep

@umbrellashotgunman

9 ай бұрын

@@kittyscherbatskaya8122 The short answer is it depends. A composer might compose one piece that's a literal transcription of a folk melody, and then compose another piece that has a completely original melody that nonetheless *sounds* like something a gifted peasant might have come up with in ages past.