I really hope they are able to appeal this decision and there is an enquiry into this. There has been endless levels of incompetency and failings both before and after these attacks have taken place. These poor families have to really fight for true justice.

I hope dearly you all get justice for your beautiful kids and poor Ian. Keep fighting, the country is behind you ❤

Barnaby Webber's parents are such an incredible inspiration to millions and milions around the world (like here in Hamburg, Germany) for the unbelievable way they are continuing their courageous fight for their lost son Barnaby and for his best friend Grace and beloved caretaker Ian. What happened here in this case is just so horrific and unfathomable.

@melgrant7404

5 ай бұрын

They have the money to fight.not everyone does.

@joseph9074

5 ай бұрын

What money

@MegaCityPatrol

5 ай бұрын

She got up and virtue signaled at her own son's funeral some bs about "no hate... the killer, he's just a person". The Crown Prosecution Service probably took it as a sign to chase a lesser charge. People need to learn to keep their mouths shut instead of trying to look "tolerant"

@dr.patrickkingsboroughmart8050

5 ай бұрын

@@MegaCityPatrol charming message...

It is frightening that there is mentally ill people walking the streets when these people need to be sectioned. These families are incredible. Keep fighting for justice. Everyone is behind you ❤

@bereal6590

5 ай бұрын

That is because the whole structural system was changed from in house treatments to care in the community. It was a ostomy saving exercise that has inthe decades since it was introduced cost in lives. My own uncle had schizophrenia though he was never a threat or aggressive, he was in permanent residential care and only went out when accompanied and on his meds

This once again proves that Care in the community doesn't work and never did. Properly funded mental health services not cost cutting again and again

@angr3819

5 ай бұрын

Care in the Community cost much more than if things had been left as they were at that time. It was brought to in because many many people who weren't even mentally ill to start with were spending their whole lives locked in very old, cold, dismal hospitals on mixed wards. People with only occasional epilepsy, or women who had become single mothers before they were ages 21 (it is as though some parents used the system to section them as punishment), simple depression, PTSD etc. Wrongly held under sections until they were a bit crazy because of all the truly mentally ill patients they had to live with, as well as some cruel doctors and nurses, some of whom viewed patients as being ripe to experiment on or surgically remove the frontal lobes, rendering them as vegetables. Then of course they were also institutionalised to the point they hadn't the confidence to cope outside of the hospital. Very cruel. When first introduced, patients who actually were psychiatrically ill were not allowed out and far less were they put into the community, until they met the required level of mental wellbeing. Even then, a Nurse would visit them daily and physically watch them take their meds, including checking their mouths to ensure they had swallowed. If a patient didn't comply then they would be immediately returned to hospital. Plus therapies were put in place to help them fully recover, and many did fully recover. It was successive misgovernments and health authorities cutting funding in favour of putting that funding into medical hospitals instead, such as B.liar especially did to make himself look good (but others before him too although less so) , which caused care in the Community to not work as it had done and had been intended to work. Care in the Community was a very good system as it was originally designed and set up in the first few years. No one involved in creating it thought mental health would be so woefully and indefensible done down.

This is like the Post Office scandal. People closing ranks and protecting their own rather than face the shameful truth and the levels of incompetence that is evident here. I truly hope that justice prevails and the family get at least some sense of justice.

@mlwhepfiorino3392

5 ай бұрын

Agreed👌

MH help in this country is a disgraced. People with all sorts of MH issues are overlooked and left to wander the streets until something like this is happening because there is little to no capacity to keep them in a safe place for them and the sake of others. My heart goes to the parents and their families.

Remember folks, it's your greatest strength.

Praying for you as im watching this.

An enquiry will take years, and by the time they come to an announcement everyone, apart from the families, will have forgotten what happened. That’s what always happens!

@angr3819

5 ай бұрын

Not so. A full Public Inquiry should take no longer than one year at most in a case of investigating possible neglect of a mental health patient. It could possibly take a lot less time.

God Bless His family and Parents! 🎉

Deepest sympathy 🙏 to the familys 👪 🙏 of these three wonderful people. Their parents are a credit 👏 and wonderful people. God bless them 🙏 ❤

My heart breaks for Barnaby's family and friends. I bet he would have been so very proud of his parents. What a beautiful, loving family. I will be watching how this story unfolds and I hope the government puts right what that monster did wrong!

I really hope these families get proper justice and they appeal and also get a full public enquiry. The families have been so brave throughout this dreadful tragedy of their beautiful children.

Our hearts truly go out to all families of the lost ❤

Absolutely devastated for all the family and friends concerned. Such beautiful people taken far too soon and such beautiful people left with unspeakable hurt. Lessons are never learned are they - history just keeps repeating,repeat, repeat!

The law in the uk is broken. Criminal activity is not considered a bad thing anymore. Being a good person and figthing for your rights is a criminal activity...

Aren't all murders mad hàrdly a defence he is from different place in eveĺution whèŕè this is common place

I cannot imagine. What brave and strong people. ❤ I hope they get justice

Heartbreaking Beautiful young man rip

Such a lovely family and Graces family too. Thoughts to the other man’s family also. Scary how people need to watch their backs on a city street.

disappearing messages

@domestinger8805

5 ай бұрын

I can imagine what you said was deleted brother KZread can't take away common sense

Theres too much stabbing going on in this country something urgently needs to be done, I have three young men, its only a matter of time before something happens to our boys!!

There will never be justice just way too tragic

Justice for Victims and Families ❤

This is definitely tragic but we almost never hear about Ian Cotes who was also killed. I wonder why it's not/hardly ever mentioned in the news. My prayers and thoughts are also for him, his family and friends.

Such a nice family

We all know why valdo calcone got away with it!

@angr3819

5 ай бұрын

He didn't "get away" with anything in this matter. Far from it. He is under at least one but probably two sections in a high secure psychiatric hospital. A small room in probably an old dismal building built similar to an old Victorian prison. No tv or such luxuries in his room. Living with others who might at least as ill, maybe worse. Being under a section decreases his chance of being released in years to come after such violence against so many, causing deaths. Abuses do take place in all large institutions. If he had gone to prison, he would likely have had a more comfortable room With a TV etc., in a more modern building. Also he might have been let out many years in the future from a prison. The hospital order is the best outcome in this case. One look at his eyes and it is obvious he is extremely psychiatrically ill.

One of the most poignant interviews I have ever seen. I am too weak with grief for them to write anything more.

Diversity, especially black diversity is our strength.

@ritadonnelly8820

5 ай бұрын

can't say black 😢

Mental Health is a very easy cop out for most of the time, looks like lefty lawyer syndrome to me. I hope he wasn't let out because of his race and fear of racism if so, this is very very serious.

@annychest718

5 ай бұрын

no prisons don't have the time or expertise to make sure they take their meds etc mentally I'll prisoners constantly get attacked and or attack other inmates.. it's the hard truth..but as he had previously offended he should have been in custody definitely 100%

@la1576

5 ай бұрын

May be be true for some, but there are ALOT of people genuinely suffering. Some that are also in normal prisons when they should be in institutions

@angr3819

5 ай бұрын

​@@annychest718Wilful Neglect of a patient, Section 20 to 25, carries a sentence of up to 5 years. Establishing whether there was wilful neglect can only be verified through a Public Inquiry, not a mere review nor only an Inquiry by the health trust concerned. It must be a Public Inquiry. It is only when such cases are the subject of Public Inquiries and where wilful neglect is proven beyond reasonable doubt that those responsible can be made to justly face the penalty of criminal law. Also of course there is the Duty of Care and the Vicarious Liability aspects which cab carry criminal penalties. All can only be established by a Public Inquiry. Also, where a Public Inquiry does not establish whether neglect was definitely wilful, the findings of the Inquiry can still provide enough information as to if Neglect was a probability, which can be the basis for private prosecution by those closest to the patient who are suffering distress as a result of a "Never Event". The "government" should have to justify why it is not allowing nor persuing a full Public Inquiry with the Findings to be made public.

@angr3819

5 ай бұрын

​@@annychest718exactly. The psychiatrist could have prescribed a monthly depo. An injection of the most important med.

When they said that the grandparents don’t get full therapy benefits because they weren’t “close “ enough in terms of the family tree is insane… my grandad is the person I’m closest too and this is disgraceful from the uk government. All of it is…

For the poor parents to have to deal with all this whilst enduring the most horrific grief imaginable is truly shocking. Shame on the people involved who have let this dangerous man practically get off scott free.

He should not be in a plush mental hospital!! Imprison him for life and never let him out!!

@annychest718

5 ай бұрын

I'm sorry to say that schizophrenia in prison doesn't work.. he had a warrant for a violent crime he should have been arrested then passed to MH police didn't do their job

@peanutbutterbruv

5 ай бұрын

State mental hospitals are not plush.

@angr3819

5 ай бұрын

Wilful Neglect of a patient, Section 20 to 25, carries a sentence of up to 5 years. Establishing whether there was wilful neglect can only be verified through a Public Inquiry, not a mere review nor only an Inquiry by the health trust concerned. It must be a Public Inquiry. It is only when such cases are the subject of Public Inquiries and where wilful neglect is proven beyond reasonable doubt that those responsible can be made to justly face the penalty of criminal law. Also of course there is the Duty of Care and the Vicarious Liability aspects which cab carry criminal penalties. All can only be established by a Public Inquiry. Also, where a Public Inquiry does not establish whether neglect was definitely wilful, the findings of the Inquiry can still provide enough information as to if Neglect was a probability, which can be the basis for private prosecution by those closest to the patient who are suffering distress as a result of a "Never Event". The "government" should have to justify why it is not allowing nor persuing a full Public Inquiry with the Findings to be made public.

@angr3819

5 ай бұрын

A high secure psychiatric hospital is worse than most prisons. Old, dismal Victorian buildings, small rooms, no carpet or tv etc. Unlike many prisons today.

@gemmabrogan9763

2 ай бұрын

'Plush'. Lol. You have clearly never set foot in any psychiatric hospital, let alone a high security one. It is not the soft option. Such ignorance. My heart massively goes out to these families, but being detained in a high security psychiatric hospital against a person's will is NOT the easy way out.

Oh well lessons will be learnt..I promise..we say that all the time but this time we will learn. Scouts honour 😂😂

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I wonder what sections of the Mental Health Act he was detained under. Was he fully discharged? Conditionally discharged? Was he on leave or under a Community Treatment Order? If not fully discharged he could have been recalled (s17 I believe) for not taking his medication.

@angr3819

5 ай бұрын

Another case of indefensible neglect and mismanagement of a psychiatric patient, leading to devastating consequences for everyone except for the "professionals" involved and the CEO of the Health Trust. Wilful Neglect of a patient, Section 20 to 25, carries a sentence of up to 5 years. Establishing whether there was wilful neglect can only be verified through a Public Inquiry, not a mere review nor only an Inquiry by the health trust concerned. It must be a Public Inquiry. It is only when such cases are the subject of Public Inquiries and where wilful neglect is proven beyond reasonable doubt that those responsible can be made to justly face the penalty of criminal law. Also of course there is the Duty of Care and the Vicarious Liability aspects which cab carry criminal penalties. All can only be established by a Public Inquiry. Also, where a Public Inquiry does not establish whether neglect was definitely wilful, the findings of the Inquiry can still provide enough information as to if Neglect was a probability, which can be the basis for private prosecution by those closest to the patient who are suffering distress as a result of a "Never Event". The "government" should have to justify why it is not allowing nor persuing a full Public Inquiry with the Findings to be made public.

S bag.

The killer is a foreigner that's why he's been handled lightly.

Why does everyone keep saying excepted, bad for presenters to do it too

@angr3819

5 ай бұрын

Seems as if they never learned grammar at school. Probably never read a well written book, either. Nor checked words in a dictionary. No excuse for them to have not self educated at least to an extent though, however lacking their formal education.

She shouldn;t have got up and made a huge virtue signal at the *funeral of her son* then. What did she expect that the CPS was going to do when she's saying "Please, no hate ... he's just a person" NEVER BEND THE KNEE

@dr.patrickkingsboroughmart8050

5 ай бұрын

Charming message...

@angr3819

5 ай бұрын

In shock and confused. What do you expect? That she knows how to react?

Richard the interupter madeley 😂😂😂

@charlottebruce979

5 ай бұрын

It's hard to laugh at anything going on in this video, most are weeping tears.

@dr.patrickkingsboroughmart8050

5 ай бұрын

@@charlottebruce979 Well said!!

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No where is 100% safe in this world. Self responsibility & awareness is very important while roaming around late night. The Judge can't be fully blamed. The fact is the man was ill, he needed treatment.

The very fact that the killer was a paranoid schizophrenic and Nottingham health care trust discharged him back to his GP because he wasn't engaging with them is appalling. If a paranoid schizophrenic isn't engaging it is clear they are not taking their medication. The last thing they should be allowed to do is discharge him I worked for this trust and quit because they are so awful. As for Nottinghamshire police they are useless.....I hope people are held accountable for this. However, he has got mental health and has got diminished responsibility and he shouldn't be in prison he should be in a mental health institution. My thoughts are with the families of those cruelty killed.

he will be out in 3 year from the nut house

@joseph9074

5 ай бұрын

Thank you Mr expert

@joseph9074

5 ай бұрын

Thank you Mr expert

@joseph9074

5 ай бұрын

Thank you Mr expert

@angr3819

5 ай бұрын

Far from it. After such severe violence causing several deaths, he is most unlikely to ever be discharged. High secure psychiatric dare not take the chance after the sad Russell case.

@michaelenglish2066

5 ай бұрын

@@angr3819 watch that space then... i disaggree but proof is come down the line

He will never get out

@roleat

5 ай бұрын

Sure bud

Horrid and desperately sad but I have to assume the very experienced judge was not fooled or misled and if the killer was sufferig from Schizophrenia there is no alternative in law to the sentence he was given.. These people need to set their sights on the people who allowed this dangerous man to fly under the radar A few to many references here to He Knew ! As Judge Judy says, dont tell me what he knew ! I pray these lovely parents find some peace and hope they get focused on the state which has under funded and almost destroyed the mental health services

Why is Richard so on Susannah's space? She's literally having to twist to the side to get her personal space back. Move over Richard!

5 professional experts count them said he was mentally ill not 5 KZread experts sic

What do these people want he was mentally ill he suffers from the most serious mental illness he ain’t getting out of the mental hospital yes it’s incredibly sad for them but they should be taking more effort on the staff at the hospital and the doctors who failed them

@angr3819

5 ай бұрын

Wilful Neglect of a patient, Section 20 to 25, carries a sentence of up to 5 years. Establishing whether there was wilful neglect can only be verified through a Public Inquiry, not a mere review nor only an Inquiry by the health trust concerned. It must be a Public Inquiry. It is only when such cases are the subject of Public Inquiries and where wilful neglect is proven beyond reasonable doubt that those responsible can be made to justly face the penalty of criminal law. Also of course there is the Duty of Care and the Vicarious Liability aspects which cab carry criminal penalties. All can only be established by a Public Inquiry. Also, where a Public Inquiry does not establish whether neglect was definitely wilful, the findings of the Inquiry can still provide enough information as to if Neglect was a probability, which can be the basis for private prosecution by those closest to the patient who are suffering distress as a result of a "Never Event". The "government" should have to justify why it is not allowing nor persuing a full Public Inquiry with the Findings to be made public.

@angr3819

5 ай бұрын

Such cases will continue until at long last those guilty of wilful neglect including CEO's go to prison for at least the maximum 5 year term.

Madley does not care

Milking the story as usual