It's not a hunting bullet, it is a long range target bullet.

So you test a bullet which was designed for target shooting and you find out that it's not suitable for hunting? What a surprise.. And then you explain something about marketing? If a manufacturer says that it is not designed for hunting, usually it means that. If you looking for huntingbullet, look for product which has been designed for that purpose. Anyway, Scenar is suitable for hunting also if you know how to use it. It's a very popular bullet for hunting grouse or capercallie when shooting distance can be up to 300 meters, and you want to keep body as intact as possible after hitting the bird. With many other bullets there would not be much to eat.

I shoot Lapua palma brass with Lapua Scenar 167gr with my 308 for comp and hunting. It's brilliant!! Shot dozens of Warthog & Kudu with it. It's about shot placement, if your first shot isn't a drop dead shot then go practice on paper or don't hunt at all.

This bullet is illegal for hunting in my country. It is however a very very common target/competition bullet. That’s what its made for. Not hunting. Scenar is NOT for killing dinner.. strange video.

The type of bullets you used for your testing from lapua is specifically made for target shooting. Yes, I know some people will try to use it for Hunting, I still believe it will work with its speed and accuracy, but I just recently started getting lapua Ammunition and I specifically talked with the company to find out what their hunting bullets were for my rifle and for other rifles and they’re totally different from this. I agree, this particular bullet Scenar that is being used in this video would not be ideal for Hunting, but they make two specific hunting loads that are just awesome and amazing. There are many other videos showing the results of their specific hunting bullets that they make. I appreciate the video and your opinion, but I would highly recommend lapua over many other companies that make ammunition. This test to me does not prove that the company does not make good bullets!!!

@bigingo4269

2 жыл бұрын

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@Moukula

2 жыл бұрын

Match bullets and FMJ in general work fine if you're hunting birds, like grouse. You don't want any expansion there, otherwise the bird is going to explode. If you're planning to shoot deer or moose, then you need that expansion and better energy transfer, and those bullets come with a soft, plastic or otherwise cleverly shaped tip. Lapua Naturalis is a great full copper solution for big game.

@wesleyhobbs9

2 жыл бұрын

@@Moukula Thanks for the reply, I have done a lot of research and fully agree with what you’re saying. I do have some Remington match ammo for my 260, it is extremely accurate and very fast I think it would do the job on a deer but it is not ideal. I was able to find some of the lapua naturalis Ammunition for my six 5 x 55 sweet but I have not shot any yet. It was extremely expensive so I haven’t even Target shot any of it yet to see how it does because I have the gun cited in with two different Ammunition’s right now we’re it’s pretty much dead on. The first one being Nosler Accu bond and the second one being Sako bonded Ammunition! Next time I go out shooting I’m going to bring the neutrol as and shoot maybe six or seven rounds of it to see how it shoots and handles. I would like to try some of the Lapua mega as well

@rv-14ctrl

Жыл бұрын

Lapua has great hunting bullets, the Scenars are not hunting bullets.... Scenars are great target shooting bullets that can be had at a reasonable price.

Lapua Scenar bullets are not made for hunting. They are made for competition. And they are kings!!

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

Marketing is irrelevant and done for contracts. Even in the competition world nobody runs lapua bullets except in Europe. Most run Bergers, hornady, etc.

@KRYPTIA-mp4ol

2 жыл бұрын

@@longrangehuntinggroup7223 no offence, but the “competition world” IS Europe… USA shooters usually practice in benchrest shooting. The Olympic and the ex-Olympic competitions of ISSF (600 meter prone, 300 meter prone, 300 meter 3x40 and 3x20 center fire or 50 meter prone and 3x40 with 22lr) require much more accuracy than shooting benchrest (we are also not allowed to use scopes in those competitions). And in those competitions, the shooters use either 308 168 grains or scenar 167 or they use 6mmBR or nowdays some also use 6,5mm Creedmoor. But Lapua scenar is consider to be the king Off course, as i said before, i am speaking about competition shooting. Not hunting. For hunting, i thing most European shooters use 7mm(they do in England). But i am not 100% sure. Maybe in eastern Europe they use 8x57 or 30-06 more Thank you for the reply

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

United States bench rest, sniper, elr (extended long range), prs, and the list goes on. We have everything that Europe has and tons more. Prs alone has more members and shooters than all of Europe combined. Prs matches do small targets precision from alternate positions. Nobody runs lapua bullets they aren't nearly as good as the new options both for precision accuracy and terminal performance. We use lapua brass but the bullets not so much. You might want to actually research over here because competition especially precision shooting is huge. The biggest advancements are coming from the us and the largest competition setting is here.

@KRYPTIA-mp4ol

2 жыл бұрын

@@longrangehuntinggroup7223 i have done my research, long time ago. I know about USA and i respect how much “contact” you have with guns and shooting. I wasn’t trying to offend or underestimate you! Yes you have everything Europe has, and more! I agree. But, you don’t practice a lot in competitions of ISSF, which consider to be (and really are) more difficult than other competitions-like bench rest for example. More difficult competitions, require more accurate and more higher quality bullets. Its the first time in my life that i met a person(you), who doubts either the efficiency or the quality of Lapua😳 I don’t know about USA but in European countries, Lapua bullets (especially scenar) costs double than other bullets and still the shooters prefer them. In every country. Switzerland, Germany, Norway etc. even in England i think😂 The “combination” of owning a Grunig & Elmiger competition rifle (or a bleiker) and shooting lapua Scenar is something like “carved in stone” for the competition Shooting world. The creedmoor cartridge on the other hand, while is very good for ISSF shooting, it has a “problem”. Its a barrel burner. Thats why until today, no quality Swiss (or other European ) company manufacture rifles with this specific caliber…

@KRYPTIA-mp4ol

2 жыл бұрын

@@longrangehuntinggroup7223 could you please inform me about those “new options for precision accuracy” that you mention? Thank you in advance

Thanks for doing the Lapua Scenar test :) As this is what I use for competition I was curious about hunting performance, and it was just as you told me back then :) hehe... :) Thanks for great videos :) :)

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

No problem just took a little bit to get it done. As I told you before the terminal performance isn't great but at least you now can see exactly what I was talking about.

It's not a hunting bullet, It's a match bullet with an excellent B.C.

Thanks for the amazing videos, this bullet isn't terrible, just terrible for hunting! I use the scenar-L in my target rifle, insane 1 hole groups. Granted a lot of that is probably the barrel, Good to know i shouldn't hunt with it tho!

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

My main focus is terminal performance. I've seen mixed results on the accuracy and external performance. A lot has to do with what the gun likes. I've had people who that's what their gun loves and shoots lights out. I've also seen the exact opposite. But like I said my main focus is terminal performance and smaller focus is accuracy because again it's up to what the gun likes

@Alexander910521

2 жыл бұрын

Some use it for capercallie in sweden. Good effect because of the hollow point without destroying to much meet. Noon hollow point (fmj) they can tend to fly a little which make it harder to find them. So for small game like larger birds they do a good job. Also good groups over 200 yards etc. :)

I think you are the first who made video like this with Lapua🔥thank you Sir

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

I might be 🤷‍♂️ The ultimate goal is to cover every bullet I can. I've had several requests for this bullet and finally got to do it. Glad you like the videos

Thank you Sir for this video👍💯💯💯💯💯💯

Well .... they are target bullets.

You got me addicted to your content.

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like it thanks for the support

Thank you for test & data.

I hope your channel blows up for 2 reasons. More hunters getting educated on bullet performance and your financial gain, as it takes shitload of time and effort for you to make these. p.s. you should definitely do so called elite hunting bullet tests such as accubonds, partitions etc. thanks for video brother :)

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks I appreciate the support 👊 I plan on doing every bullet unfortunately due to the current climate politically finding bullets etc is a pain in the ass. I stopped using "hunting" bullets besides guns like the 30-30 years ago. Good match bullets are so much more effective. I'm slowly getting there though can't believe I've already done 18 episodes of these gel tests. The goal is education to make better hunters. Even if I blow up with the channel I still won't have any financial gain. If already had multiple offers for sponsors and even a full buy out and job offer. I'm not interested in that. Being sponsored etc comes with strings attached and the requirement to make certain products look good. I find most people like the fact I'm not attached to anyone and they trust me more because of that. I can simply say the truth good or bad. My only goal is education and helping people become better.

I think you misunderstand the purpose of the Scenar bullets. They are target bullets, nothing more. Shooting them in gel is useless, they were never meant to have an effect on flesh. Please shoot their hunting bullets in gel instead, that would give you more credibility.

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

Marketing is irrelevant as it's based off contacts etc. "match" or "target" bullets are designed to expand also they are simply not advertised for hunting. A great example of marketing is hornady critical defense and critical duty ammunition. One is for self defense and one is sold for law enforcement. The only difference is what box it goes in. It's literally the exact same round. The Berger classic hunter and Berger hybrid target are the same design. All Bergers except for the vld line are hybrids. The hybrids are designed with a massive cavity inside the nose of the bullet. Upon impact the bullet nose is designed to collapse forcing expansion. All of their bullets of the hybrid design no matter what label is put on are designed to expand the same.

@Bad_spark

2 жыл бұрын

@@longrangehuntinggroup7223 the Scenars really are made for competition. It's easier to make a precision bullet with the bthp design rather than an FMJ. These bullets are great for punching paper. They have a pretty mediocre BC but it's easy to make them shoot very tight groups out of a .308.

Do You test scenar L?

Was hoping to see some info in one of these episodes on 250gr SMK's for hunting elk out to 600ish, care to offer your thoughts? Current muzzle velocity is about 2850fps... great channel/content by the way!

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

So with bullets if you use the same bullet in different weights and calibers will give you the same type wounding. The difference will be the scale of it. The smaller bullets will be a smaller scale than the bigger bullets wounding. So if you look at a 168 gr smk and the wound cavity a 250 gr smk will give the same wound cavity only bigger. SMKs are accurate bullets but ultimately have the same potential issue as most bthp bullets of necking over. The hole is small and in cases can fill with media hair, hide, meat, etc. this results in the bullet effectively turning into a fmj. It will pencil through or start tumbling and changing directions. The way to fix this issue is to drill the hole bigger with a 1/16" bit. That will give you reliable expansion unfortunately it does effect your BC and aerodynamics. The only bthp on the market that doesn't have that issue is the Berger hybrids. They have weakened the meplat allowing them to expand easier. I just did a video with sniper head shots with the SMK and eld match which will give you a idea how they perform

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

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Hi, A guy i know here in Norway spoke with the people from Lapua in Finland. They told him that the newer Scenar-L OTM bullet is widly used for hunting in Finland. Mabe you can meke a test between the Scenar and the Scenar-L OTM?

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

The scenar OTM is designed different than the bthp. The OTM has a larger hole and has a massive cavity inside the nose of the bullet like Berger hybrids. This design won't clog and even if it did it wouldn't matter. Upon impact the nose collapses forcing expansion. I'll eventually do the OTM in a gel video.

@guythik8415

2 жыл бұрын

I can confirm thar scenar bullets are used for hunting in the nordic countries maybe elsewhere as well, but not for moose, deer or what ever. Scenars are mostly used for capercaillie and other birds where traditionally fmj bullets were and are used, exactly for their small damage to meat. Shots are usually taken from 150-300m so not that far, but at that range .243 90gr scenar at 3000fps is certainly a great tool. All birds are lightly built animals as we know so shooting a nosler partition into capercaillie or goose might not be the best idea ever if you had anything else in mind than minced meat organ soup, conviniently stored in bird satchel around them... I don't know about the US, but in much parts of europe it's a criminal offense to use non (properly) expanding bullets for roe deer and larger animals, which scenars are certainly not.

@TheOlem5

2 жыл бұрын

@@guythik8415 if the Scenar-L works as a berger, why should you not use IT? The guy im ref. Has over a periode of 2 years shot abort 20 red deer at ranger from 20 to 550 meters. He concluded after twist that this bullet works, but the eld-m is better he says. I only thought It would be interesting to see the resault in a gel test.

@guythik8415

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheOlem5 I just dislike these "match hunting" bullets. I don't doubt they work most of time, in right hands almost every time, but the margin of error for the shooter goes down exponentially. I rather use partition for their "killing power", gives me more confidence in the field.

@perttiperttipertti5757

Жыл бұрын

Greetings from Finland. We use this bullet only for bird game. We do not use it for bigger game as moose, deer etc since it is not made for that. It is very accurate match bullet. For bigger game we use Lapua Naturalis bullet and it works fine. Maybe I am missing the point but are you going to make video about expanding hunting bullets beeing rubbish for long distance target shooting.

What do you think of 129gr hornady sst factory load out of 6.5creed 20”? Good for whitetail out to 500?

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not a fan of the SST or eld x personally. The eld x is a improved version of the SST. Same jacket starting at .051 and tapering thinner as it goes towards the front of the bullet. Same lock ring and core the eld x does have a different tip. The design doesn't give you great aerodynamics and has a lower bc. They will kill and work as long as your gun likes them. As far as distance that's going to be whatever distance you hit the minimum impact velocity for those bullets. For the SST/eld x the minimum impact velocity is 1800 fps. So once you have tried your ballistics in your ballistics program. Look at what distance you hit 1800 fps and that's your maximum distance for that bullet to expand

What your thoughts about Hornady 178 hpbt? I use them in .308, in this year I wanna use them in hunting

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

I actually used to use the hornady bthp match ammunition. You're going to get results very similar in the field to this test. The hornady does a little better but not much nor would I recommend it for hunting.

@wolverinekut

2 жыл бұрын

@@longrangehuntinggroup7223 thank you Sir 🤝

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

No problem always here to help

This video is quite puzzling. It's like someone taking an F1 race car off-roading and then declaring it the worst car ever. The Lapua Scenar bullets are FMJ with a hollow point design, but this is purely for precision, not for expansion. It's not fair to judge their performance in a hunting scenario, as they're engineered for target shooting and accuracy, not hunting or field use. Criticizing these bullets for not expanding is like expecting a sports car to perform well on rugged terrain-it misses the point of their intended purpose.

Just fyi.. i dunno what the cutaway for the 167gr look like but the, 155gr and the massive hollow cavity, tumbles very consistently in 300blk on hogs... even if its "clogged" 25-30% of the projectile is empty space... IME

There is about a 200 page thread on one of the big forums that say and show a different result .

Lapua scenar is not hunting bullet. They say: "Scenar bullets are the first choice for superior accuracy". If look them web pages they say what bullet is for hunting.

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

Marketing is irrelevant for hunting or not is due to government contracts not what it can be used for. Match bullets are tested by the FBI and other places for terminal performance for law enforcement use. Terminal ballistics is the same for humans and animals. Some match bullets perform better than "hunting" bullets in both accuracy and terminal performance. I have a knife sharpener that's sold for restaurants does that mean I can't use it in my kitchen or with hunting knives because it's not marketed for it? No it doesn't matter because it will work great in all areas. These lapua bullets are just bad bullets compared to other bullets.

@a-p1831

2 жыл бұрын

@@longrangehuntinggroup7223 That test is good and show that bullet not expand. I use scenar to hunt black grouse in finland. Scenar in good for that because bird's not explode when you hit them. That why i think scenar is good for me. Accurasy is exelent my tikka m55. If hunting deer or something like that take some different bullet.

Isn't the worldrecord at 600yds shot with lapua scenar?🤔

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

5 ай бұрын

What does that have to do with this. Answer is nothing. This is covering the terminal ballistics of the bullet. You are talking about external ballistics which is two completely different things. You have have the best external ballistics and have terrible terminal ballistics. You can have the best terminal ballistics and terrible external ballistics. So your comment makes no sense and isn’t relevant to the video.

@barrycolla2506

5 ай бұрын

I know...but you are stating that precision longdistance competition shooters don't even use them no more ...maybe in Europe...your words...so ...hence my question...very relevant...cause you are the one stating...yeah...back in the day they used them...but not anymore....bla bla bla This is absolutely not a negative comment...i like your video's...they are well made and informative...so please don't think i want to be disrespectfull... Warm greetings from the Netherlands

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

5 ай бұрын

@@barrycolla2506the problem with text is there’s no context on how people are saying something. I have had people say that I’m mean or rude in comments. The truth is that I’m actually talking in the same exact way you see me in my videos. I’m just straight to the point and direct. I get quite a few people especially on this bullet who try telling me that I’m wrong because the bullet shoots really well. They don’t seem to understand that I’m only covering the terminal performance aspect. They are good bullets for shooting and I actually used to run them personally. I don’t anymore because there are far better bullets out there for less money. What I said is true that there’s been a shift in bullets. Most of the competition guys switched to Berger etc. Europe it’s still popular but in the us it’s not. The brass is still huge in competition the bullets not so much. By the way I didn’t take anything negative from you or your comment. I was just simply responding. Hope you’re doing well and happy hunting.

@barrycolla2506

5 ай бұрын

@@longrangehuntinggroup7223 thank you for taking the time to answer,it's much appriciated 👍. Which bullet would you recomend for accuracy...for a .308? Bergers are hard to find here,as are nosslers...I use hornady eldm's 168gn.....and lapua scenars otm 175gn....but next box will be 167 gn. I'm alway open for advise. Sadly a can't shoot long range in the Netherlands...here you are happy if your shooting club has a 100m range...olmost always indoor.There is one 300m range,but thats 2,5 hours drive...and back. We have to go to poland or France for long range...Hunting is very difficult...first difficult 1year course...then you need hunting ground...thats near impossible,unless you have friends with the hunting grounds... I'm yelous of the opportunities in your country.Wish you all the best.

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

5 ай бұрын

@@barrycolla2506I’m a big time and long time user of the 308 win. Some of my best accuracy has been with 168 gr and 175 gr sierra match kings. Amax, eld match, and a tips from Hornady are great for both accuracy and terminal performance. The Sierra tipped match kings are also great at both accuracy and terminal performance.

made for target

Really wish you could do 155s. There is an enormous thread of 155s on game online with pretty much every NA game animal taken and photod

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

Жыл бұрын

Where is this thread? I always like studying terminal performance the more the better.

@shaundonelan5725

11 ай бұрын

It's on the 24hour campfire forum I believe it's called deceased via scenar bullet.

E=MC it did transfer its energy it's a target bullet

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

9 ай бұрын

The designation target, match, hunting, etc is irrelevant. Bullets are marketed as match or target that are designed to expand and perform far better than those marketed for hunting. That is due to restrictions imposed by The Hague Convention. So to get around that stupidity they got cleaver with marketing. So saying that it did transfer its “target bullet energy” is not correct. That’s nothing more than a label and doesn’t have any actual effect on how it performs or how much energy it transfers. The eld match is a match target bullet and it transfers far more energy than a marketed hunting bullet like partition, accubond, core lokts, etc.

Dude, you take a match bullet and bash it because it's not a good hunting bullet. It's one of the best match bullets, but absolutely not meant for hunting. It's like complaining about a screwdriver being a poor hammer.

Cannot really call bullets piss poor if you use it for something it is not designed for can you? As you said yourself these are match bullets. Lapua does not claim these to be hunting bullets as they do manufacture hunting bullets so rather try those.

Is this a parody channel? 😂

Shooting bullet not intended for hunting and evaluating them as hunting bullets and after that setting statements of the quality of the bullet? OK, freedom of speach...

This video makes no sense. It’s like comparing apples to oranges and complaining one of them isn’t orange and tastes of apple. And to call the scenar a crappy product, just shows how little you actually know. This is “nothing but” a stellar and very respected target bullet. But of course…you know better LOL.

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

Жыл бұрын

Lol you guys crack me up. This evaluation has zero to do with external ballistics. At no point did I say that it has terrible external ballistics or it’s a crappy target bullet. This is a evaluation of the terminal ballistics and only that. In regards to terminal ballistics it’s not a good bullet especially compared to other match bullets.

Confirms exactly what I've heard about the scenars from trusted sources.

Are you trying to be provocative dissing these bullets? The Scenars aren't made to be hunting bullets. You should feature them in a candy review next! I bet they taste awful! Horrible product! All kidding aside I'm grateful for the test. I was considering using these for deer but now I know better. Cheers

@Bad_spark

2 жыл бұрын

Ps these bullets are great for punching paper. Very easy to find a good load with these in a .308.

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

2 жыл бұрын

Marketing has to do with government contracts. Regardless of that there's people who still want to hunt with them. So I cover every bullet I can regardless of marketing. From personal experience these have bad terminal performance. Glad you found it helpful good luck hunting

It was a rare stupid test and stupid comments. It's as if the fit of the gloves was commented on in the running shoe test. Ridiculous. The Scenar is one of the best precision bullets out there, with not a single feature designed with terminal ballistics in mind. There should be some sense and expertise if you announce the matter to the world.

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

12 күн бұрын

The irony of you calling everything stupid is pretty funny honestly. It always cracks me up when people comment who clearly haven’t even done basic research. Google this bullet and you’ll find all kinds of questions on forums etc about hunting with this bullet. Which is why I conducted this test. Nathan foster one of the top terminal ballistics experts in hunting has even done testing with it and documented the results. Here’s the link to his article on it. www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Wound+Database/6.5mm+-+Lapua+Scenar.html You are also wrong saying that it isn’t designed for terminal ballistics. All bullets this one included are tested for terminal performance. They don’t advertise it for hunting because of The Hague Convention. A example is Berger they have two bullets that are the exact same bullet just a different label. Why two different names for the exact same bullet? Because the military requires match bullets for snipers to be OTM open tip match. The open tip match is marketed for target and the other is for hunting. Again they are the exact same bullet the only difference is the label and what it’s marketed for. Lapua does the exact same thing with this bullet which is labeled as OTM because of military contracts. Company doesn’t testing in house, independent testing is done, and even agencies like the FBI do terminal ballistics testing on bullets. By the way there’s such a thing as external ballistics and terminal ballistics and they are completely different. You are saying they are great and accurate bullets. I never said that they weren’t accurate. That’s external ballistics. This video is strictly terminal ballistics which is completely different.

@JuhaVasara

12 күн бұрын

@@longrangehuntinggroup7223 1. You should listen to your own video and understand what you are saying. 2. The fact that a third party tests the product for a purpose does not change the starting points of the original design. Even online discussions do not change the design principles. Even abusers do not change the basis of the design. How the competitor operates does not change the basis of the design. 3. Yes - the product has been used for hunting. However, it is not intended for that, and is not suitable for that purpose. I myself have used bullets for that purpose, but only for birds. The hole in the head is not for expansion, but part of the manufacturing process to produce an accurate bullet.

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

12 күн бұрын

@@JuhaVasaratake your right hand and hold it out in front of you. Then slowly move it backwards and over your head. That’s what just happened it went over your head. They are labeled OTM open tip match. That is a military designation that was created specifically for the military. Bullets that are OTM are designed for both external and TERMINAL ballistics. They are not advertised for terminal performance or hunting because of The Hague Convention. However they are still designed for terminal ballistics for snipers.

@JuhaVasara

12 күн бұрын

@@longrangehuntinggroup7223 I give up. "The Scenar is a hunting bullet and bad in its class! Some have used it for precision shooting as well, but nowadays no one does anymore, because it's bad for that too. Overall a bad product that no one should use." I finally understood your message. (For others: I do not sign this)

@longrangehuntinggroup7223

12 күн бұрын

⁠@@JuhaVasaraand the award for biggest drama queen goes to you. 👏👏👏 congratulations on acting like a child. You are still going off about external ballistics which again I never covered as this is only an assessment of the terminal ballistics. So keep making up nonsense, taking things out of context, and making up stuff. You clearly are reading into things that aren’t there and hearing what you want not what is actually said. But keep up with calling everything stupid and being a drama queen. It’s entertaining to say the least.