I've got 500 hours on DOS2, not touching BG3 until it's done. Appreciate the guys who play it and submit feedback though to make it better for everyone else.

@pHixiq

3 жыл бұрын

Def I’d wait. Not because the game is messed up because it’s great, but every update makes older saves incompatible.

@Zumbie578

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

@thijmentwisted

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree

@cjx22

3 жыл бұрын

wait till the game is finished because it's really frustrating to enjoy the game till the point that you reached the end then needed to wait for another few years

@nathankallelis2338

3 жыл бұрын

DOS 2 is an all time game. playing as a summoner right now with high wITS, OP build i love it

If you haven’t played either the obvious answer is DOS 2 because it’s actually a finished product.

@ICaImI

3 жыл бұрын

Dunno. I prefer BG3 over DoS2 by far. Even in is current state.

@lll32151

3 жыл бұрын

DOS 2 has horrible mechanics

@Solaris2000APB

3 жыл бұрын

@@lll32151 which ones?

@Zarala2010

3 жыл бұрын

@@Solaris2000APB I wouldn't say it's got horrible mechanics. I love DOS2. But the stat scaling on item levels through thousands and tens of thousands when loot is limited doesn't sit well with me (though modding community solves this problem). BG3 loot on the other hand is enchantment based and if you take a liking to an item like the Guidance cantrip necklace, it's more than ok to keep it on hand. Ultimately DOS2 is a great game and can't wait for BG3 full release.

@boozie773

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zarala2010 yes once you really know the game you can be incredibly op even with difficulty mods but I think it’s an incredible game.

"Proper Mass Effect Type Experience" -I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite fantasy rpg on the Citadel.

@Overlord99762

3 жыл бұрын

another clone?

Steam page pretty much answers this question already. "You should not buy Baldur’s Gate 3 in Early Access if you want a polished experience." I've played 170+ hours of BG3, because I read and accept that one sentence.

@calvinwinner

3 жыл бұрын

DOS 2 was very polished in early access, unlike BG3. I played DOS2 EA with several friend groups and it didnt bug out as much as BG3. BG3 on my pc takes for ever in loading screens. Cutscenes are very glitchy. Unfortunately, it seems I have to wait until the game fully releases

@esther6664

3 жыл бұрын

@@calvinwinner yeah I agree with you but to be fair it's a new style they are trying out and what' they are trying to do is way more advanced then DOS2,while they already had pretty much everything ready with DOS2 from DOS

@skippychurch2965

3 жыл бұрын

Dude, steam is a cesspool of bitching in their discussion threads. No matter the game, people troll the hell out of the discussion boards there

@calvinwinner

3 жыл бұрын

@@esther6664 yes sure, dos2 had that benefit going for it. And i dont mind a unpolished experience, but the fact that loading screen take long enough for me to make cup of coffee everytime is just unfortunate. Not to even mention multiplayer connection issues. I basically only play it with friends so that is an additional hurdle for the game. I'll wait until the full release, i have faith in Larian to polish the game 🤞🏻

@enzocrespin5806

3 жыл бұрын

@User 2389 And why would it stay that way ? It's in early access for a reason

Bought dos 2 on switch awhile ago and im having a blast and im looking forward to bg 3 since i got a intrest in DnD lore, world, races etc.

@naitzeel

3 жыл бұрын

@@mix1ro The graphics ingame look better than what you see in the eshop on the pictures in my opinion I don't know if you can use the touchscreen haven't tried it yet

@psychomantis7635

3 жыл бұрын

For dos2 to play online you need Nintendo member ship???

@naitzeel

3 жыл бұрын

@@psychomantis7635 yes, its the same like ps and xbox, no membership no online. One year for Nintendo 20€ 35€ for a Family membership where up to 8 people/accounts can play online is totaly ok in comparrison to one year for PS or Xbox 60€

@Korps412

3 жыл бұрын

No touchscreen for Switch. Finished Divinity, it was great to play when and where I wanted. Thinking about step back to BG 2 or maybe Icewind again...

@ace052330

3 жыл бұрын

@@mix1ro I have it on both PC and the physical limited run edition on Switch. I play it on PC at 4K maxed out locked 144 FPS and the game looks incredible. While it’s amazing it’s even able to run on Switch at all and it’s still very fun and enjoyable. Out of my 100% playtime I’d say it’s 80% PC 20% Switch and everything I said is true the game is still great and fun on Switch. The difference between the two versions is HUGE. Like I’m talking HUGEeee. The graphics are FAR worse. The lower 30 fps that even dips into the 20s sometimes is mostly fine due to the style of game it is. The controls on Switch are also pretty solid but no you can’t use touch screen in game which is a damn shame. I love this game one of my favorite games ever. I’m not home a lot so I play it on Switch when I can’t be on my PC. That’s what the Switch version is great for imo. Steam cross save compatibility let’s you use the same save across both platforms. It compliments the PC version really well and pairs great with it. But as for only playing it on the Switch I don’t think I could, not after playing it on PC.

Play both. OS2 then BG3 when its actually finished.

I really love both games. Larian might be my favorite developer at the moment. Personally, the D&D action economy and playstyle fits exactly what I am looking for. It really does it for me.

the first chapter of BG3 is so good, waiting becomes torture for me...

@tonynittoli4792

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, it far exceeded my expectations.

@EveryTimeIDavid

3 жыл бұрын

I played through on the original patch, and then loaded it up the other day. It's night an day difference already. It's so much more smooth, and looks way better.

DOS 2 is one of my all time top 5 games, let's see if BG3 can join that list.

@pavlexxx10

3 жыл бұрын

what is your list?

@adriac1291

3 жыл бұрын

@@pavlexxx10 Mine is in no order, dos 2, Warcraft 3, Fallout 4, Skyrim, and probably Mount and blade warband/ Bannerlord.

@pavlexxx10

3 жыл бұрын

@@adriac1291 agreed 100%, did you play divinity 1 by any chance my friend and i played dos 2 and loved it so we were thinking of trying the first one

@adriac1291

3 жыл бұрын

@@pavlexxx10 I did try it but it is very very different! Expect a different game, not dos2!

@pavlexxx10

3 жыл бұрын

@@adriac1291 was it still a good time?

I got BG3 when it was out in EA last year and I was impressed. I'll leave it alone for now and wait for the proper release even though I'm tempted to have a look at the druid. I'm really looking forward to this as I'm a huge fan of DoS2 and this seems similar but with enough differences to make it fresh.

@Morfalath

3 жыл бұрын

some classes and races are still missing, you can absolutely check out the druid now and play a less buggy version of BG3 (than you did before). Its still restricted to Act 1 so how far you can play doesnt change.

@direnova6284

3 жыл бұрын

@@Morfalath Yeah, thx for the info, but I'm going to wait and hopefully forget a lot of what I've already played and monster the game when it's finished. If I play it now it's going to be frustrating when I finish the first act.

I hope they keep the split screen for baldurs gate 3 that’s one of the things that I loved about divinity original sin 2

"You cant kill multiple enemies in one round." Say that to my wizard that threw a fire bolt onto a barrel of oil & killing 3 enemies that was on full health. There are ways, but not as easy as in DO2.

@roko512

3 жыл бұрын

or thunderwave a group of enemies off a cliffside

@bombkita

3 жыл бұрын

@OrcBro until they are fire immune lol

@KingslayerSrb

3 жыл бұрын

It's also a bit unfair to compare current BG3 with level limit of 4, to full scope of DOS:2. You ain't killing anything in a big, flashy move in DOS:2 at level 4 either.

@WalterLoggetti

3 жыл бұрын

@OrcBro This is the way. :D

@jiggaman198

3 жыл бұрын

@@KingslayerSrb That's not really true. In DoS 2 it was very easy to kill multiple enemies in a single round even at level 4. Warfare, geomancy, and pyrokinetic all have great AoE skills already at lvl 4 especially combined with teleport.

A couple of things, Ievel cap right now is L4, L5 is where things really start to get interesting for classes. Marshal classes: Fighters can get some decent skills, if Battlemaster gets more skills it will be really fun, not to mention monks! and barbarians aren't in the game yet. There are a lot of spells and skills to go still, hopefully Larian will try to get them all in (at least the ones that are reasonable for a video game).

@OmegaEnvych

3 жыл бұрын

Well, not really level 5, rather Levels 6 and 7. Level 5 only gives fighters Extra Attack. Paladins and Rangers get extra spell slots as well. But spellcasters... OOOOh BOI! That's a Feast for them! Fireball, Lightning bolt, Call Lightning, Haste, Slow, Mass Healing Word, Counterspell, Fly, Gaseous Form, Animate Dead, Beacon of Hope, Melfs Minute Meteors, Sleet Storm, Bestow Curse, Remove Curse, Speak with Dead, Water Walk, Water Breathing, Tidal Wave, Thunder Step, Spirit Guardians, Stinking Cloud and MORE. There is SO MANY amazing spells at level 5! Like seriously, this is THE level where Wizard stops being a nerd with stick and becomes Death, Destroyer of Worlds! I'm serious, during our play in Tomb of Annihilation, I've prevented entire encounter against army of undead by unleashing single fireball at them. This was so satisfying! Though no need to be upset - Extra Attack is also surprisingly effective way to deal damage.

@noctrk161

3 жыл бұрын

@@OmegaEnvych Extra Attack + Great Weapon Master is a lot damage, especially for fighters

@OmegaEnvych

3 жыл бұрын

@@noctrk161 true. GWM turns fighter with greatsword into monster

@jjbudinski8486

3 жыл бұрын

@@OmegaEnvych 5th level monk: Extra attack + Stunning strike! Warlocks: another Eldritch Invocation, one more Eldritch blast (I think quite a few cantrips gain power at 5). Rogue: Uncanny dodge + another sneak attack die. Barb gets Extra attack + Extra movement. L5 is awesome! Some skill powers rise and fall, eg getting the extra Eldritch blast or another sneak attack die is awesome at 5, but tends to taper off until you get the next upgrade.

Over 900 hours of dos2, and I can't wait to try bg3. I won't spend a dime till it's finished

@bp4861

2 жыл бұрын

How do you have that much time? Im playing it right now are you telling me its a 900 hour game lol that too much investment for me

@X3n0n182

2 жыл бұрын

@@bp4861 A thorough vanilla first playthrough I'd estimate maybe 150 - 200h based on my current first playthrough, the first two areas are bigger in comparison to the other two after so that's my estimate. I have 100h so far trying out every side quest I could find and lore to absorb and trying out character builds in the first two areas

@SMEbeats

2 жыл бұрын

@@bp4861 it’s a game that u can beat multiple times Bc the experience will be different every run, so no it’s not a 900 hour game he most likely beat it multiple times

@theotakuGamer7640

2 жыл бұрын

@@bp4861 its an RPG, you go in and play different playthroughs, you play different characters and classes, or completely different roles. if you just wanna play it once, thats fine, but usually in rpg games people just in with different play throughs to try new things.

Very informative and interesting - even-though I am absolutely new to the topic. Thank you!

Fantastic video. Loved the comparison

I love the dnd lore of bg3 and great effects and sounds. The dialogue cut scenes are also so cinematic and beautiful. Ive got like 40 hours in the game already and it's just so good. I played divinity before and i can't wait to go back and play it after bg3

I’ve played around 95 hours on BG3 on the early access and I can pretty much say whenever it comes out (est 2022) it will be the best game of that year with fairly confidence. Spoiler My first play through character was a Mage with - teleportation + speak to animals + invisibility + body transformation + find familiar and it’s amazing. And that gets me pretty much anywhere lol

@DevastatingStories

8 ай бұрын

it will win GOTY for sure its soo good and I have never played a dnd game before, now that I have finished BG3 with a friend I want to try out DoS I love this genre of games

Thanks for this video, I still need to finish dos 2 so I'll wait for black Friday next year to pick up bg3.

Good video I definitely will give this a shot with their next (super) big update

Well, as a DOS2 Lover, I'd say BG3 didn't quite reached the same satisfaction level as DOS2. Combat system, Character customization, Abilities and the Action Points (Short/Long Rest) mechanics also the Dice Rolls for damage outputs or saving throws are not really my thing, guess I am not that much into D&D and I need more adventures action like in DOS2. But again, it's not a bad game. However If I had to chose between BG3 or DOS3, I'd choose DOS3.

What about the physical and magical armor thing that was in DOS2? This is no longer in BG3 right? Because it uses different rules book

@sombrego2260

3 жыл бұрын

Yes both are radically different in terms of combat. BG3 is a lot less flashier, at least at start but also much harder to understand if you're not familiar with D&D rulesets.

@marschel6271

3 жыл бұрын

There is no Magical of Physical Armor like in DOS2, no. Only health. Armor, or rather Armor Class (AC), determines whether you get hit or not though. Say you have an AC of 18. Your enemy then has to roll an 18 on his attack in order to hit you.

@mduckernz

3 жыл бұрын

@@marschel6271 well, that and there is resistance and immunity to different damage types, slashing/piercing/bludgeoning for physical damage, and fire/cold/acid/lightning/thunder/force/psychic and then also radiant/necrotic

@jackeriksen6753

3 жыл бұрын

As mentioned Armors follows the 5'th ed rulset. And is one of the areas you potetially can "Mess up your character" from the start if you want to min/max. If so you might want to plan a bit ahead a bit when creating your character. As an example If you got a character that is or will be proficient with medium Armor, chances are you want to set the characters Dexterity to 14 (=+2 Armor Class (AC)). As Medium armor suports a maximum of +2 AC from dex modifier. (Or if your adventurus you can ignore it and go for a more stealth/ranged typed build an go over the "soft cap".) On the other hand light or no armor have no dexterity modifier limitations, so Playing a dexteity based character can potetially get decent AC aswell. Or you can wear Heavy armor witch have a high AC but will get no additional AC from dexteity. Magic +1 (AC) Armors does exist, aswell as "rare" Armors enchanted with various effects. Shields will also increase AC by 2, but as a general rule make sure your character is proficient with anything you equip or major penalties will apply,

@nayyarrashid4661

3 жыл бұрын

I have always wondered how much Age of Wonders is based on DnD rules? I absolutely loved that game especially the alignment concept which was a first for me. Does that come from DnD as well. Asking because I have no clue about DnD but I know only the name well enough

I have over 500 hours in DOS2 and am currently in the middle of my second honor mode playthrough. My friend and I already beat it on honor mode with no gift bag options because we wanted the achievement on steam, but we later realized that was unnecessary. The slow walking was almost unbearable! We had previously failed one of the runs on Arx and boy did that suck. But we have the achievement and we are doing it again except without using a build guide like on your fantastic website! We cant wait for BG3 to be fully released and we have been avoiding all spoilers and gameplay for it.

Fantastic comparison. Thanks much!

I'm not usually a big fan of this style of rpg, but DOS2 is awesome.

@Visual_Writer

2 жыл бұрын

I usually meet Non-JRPG Guys in Multiplayer. They really won a new audience with that „next level crog.“

I hated turn base games until this past month when I THOUGHT DoS was like Diablo (hack and slash) But god damn am I having fun right now with DOS2

@daestka5512

3 жыл бұрын

I know I don’t like turn base combat games but divinity original sin 2 is so different to other turn base combat games that I felt in love with the game. Also I love that the game let you play local split screen.

@randalthor6872

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you tried it! Don't forget that Divinity Original Sin 1 is also an incredible game! I actually somewhat prefer it to DOS2 in regards to the narrative and freedom. Both of them are in my top 5 games list.

@icyboy771z

3 жыл бұрын

If you like turn based games play XCOM2, its like a video game board game heaven.

I'm currently playing POE2 and am looking forward to BG3. I am new to the genre and am playing for the story but I love BG3 character creator it looks like I can create a unique character!

Great comparison, thank you.

Watching this video makes me want to have dos3 rather than bg3. The combat seems so boring and old compared to dos2 and I really loved the freedom I had building my own class.

@larrisAWSOME

2 жыл бұрын

bg3 just lacks that level of strategy dos2 had... it's pretty sad

@antigonus1826

2 жыл бұрын

@@ray8221-y4r That's the thing about D&D. It's less of a game, And more of a platform for storytelling. It's always been that way. This why the combat is quite.... Awful. This is why in a Video Game setting it suffers heavily. A lot of the mechanics and rules of D&D makes more sense if you view it as a storytelling platform instead of a game. Take the D20 System, All the rolls for the skill checks, Saving throws, Etc. All that RNG Serves to make the story dynamic. In a video game it doesn't have any reason to be there aside from being.... D&D? Let me paint you a scenario. The king of the realm is old, His only heir is his daughter, And his daughter has been kidnapped by goblins! So you travel to the Goblin Fortress to rescue the princess. The king has explicitly stated this is a stealth mission. In a video game if you fail the skill check, There may be more goblins to fight, Or the Princess is killed by the goblins, Aside from that there won't be much consequences either way. Maybe the loss of the reward if the princess dies. In the tabletop RPG you fail the stealth check, The story can take a nigh infinite number of turns as a result of that. For example, The Princess dies , As a result of this the king's is overcome by stress, and grief, He dies a week later after hearing the news. The kingdom has gone to ruin, Dukes & Counts are warring over the remaining pieces of the kingdom. Or Maybe, Instead of that, The king's loyalists keep his death a secret, But time is ticking, They call upon the party to assist them in finding the long lost bastard of the king. Forcing the party into a investigation that the very realm's safety is dependant on. Or maybe.... You get the Idea. RNG should only be in a game if it serves a purpose, If it doesn't, What's the point? I'm not saying D&D is bad, D&D is great! Just not.... As a video game. I was hoping they build a new system from the ground up for a Video Game, Using D&D Lore. Instead they just crammed the tabletop system from one medium, To another. Trying to cram a cube into a round hole. It just doesn't work. BG3 is peak mediocrity in almost every aspect.

@sai-pv3fv

2 жыл бұрын

@@antigonus1826 this is an amazing comment.

@boobyblasterboy

Жыл бұрын

@@antigonus1826 ()gugu(i

@sai-pv3fv

Жыл бұрын

@@boobyblasterboy this is even better tbh

I feel like the point about the BG3 characters having less impact per turn isn’t entirely fair. In 5e the classes really hit their stride at lv5. In BG3 early access the level cap is 4 but will be 10 in full release. Most of the heavy impact spells, etc. will be available at the higher levels but not available to a low level character that is in the current release.

@dankcrypt3227

2 жыл бұрын

We'll actually get above ten (probably 12 or so) in release.

@lb4581

2 жыл бұрын

@@dankcrypt3227 I hadn’t heard that but good to hear. I played a ton of EA like 6 months ago before deciding I wanted to stop until full release before I got bored of it

I would love if Fextra did a D&D 5th edition breakdown and how it plays into char creation! Loved DoS but feel like im stumbling in the dark with the d&d rules and changes, always unsure if I am building the chars right and which skills to focus for each class

@Blockdigit

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure if you know but they did cover that in a series of videos. search for Fextralife 5th Edition

Hi, why is your site blocked in Nigeria? I have to use VPN to be able to view your wiki.

I've started DOS2 three or four times, I just can't find it in myself to get invested ... but I have like 50 hours in BG3 early access. You say BG3 is restricted by 5th edition, I say that's the main strength of it. But I've always preferred games that gives you archetypes to choose from instead of freeform characters.

@Luchiop

2 жыл бұрын

Happened to me too. I just cant take the game seriously when it does not tale itself seriously. The characters are too cartoonish and the plot is too generic for my taste. I also think that DnD combat is bloated and boring. Im more a Fantasy trip player myself when it comes to pen and paper RPG

Even though I prefer Sci-Fi over fantasy (Mass Effect being my all time great), I am loving DOS 2. (Playing on my iPad, even though I have the PC version) Only thing I wish that DOS 2 had that BG3 has is those ground level close up dialogue views, so as to see your characters customization, facial expressions, see the world more intimately etc... I understand the isometric view for talking to characters gives more tactical elements, but it would be fantastic if you could switch in between the views from iso to ground level for dialogue interaction. Just Iike you do from iSO to top down tactical view.

I would say: play both! Both are fun to play and have a lot of love and detail put into them.

Have both and enjoy playing both. Big difference being BG3 will take some time before finishing so if you are on the fence pick DO2.

DOS 2 is one of my favorite games...character development, magic system, combat. Enemies were varied enough so that certain tactics weren't always winners. I had a blast finding different skill synergies. You could lose a fight 10 times in a row and then try and different approach and beat the enemy almost effortlessly. I built a rogue that specialized in Scoundrel and Air but as the game progressed he got into Necromancy and Hydromancy. Really felt like he was evolving, plus the mirrors allowed you to respec your team to constantly tweak their abilities. I wished Larian piled on more expansions, I was actually sad when I reached the end phase of the game.

@gazaalley3862

Жыл бұрын

Necro and hydro on a rogue ? What skills?

@magnusblick6767

Жыл бұрын

@@gazaalley3862 Its been a while, i remember giving him Vampiric Hunger from hydro/scoundel, Vaccuum Aura from Air/Necro...Silencing Stare....I had him setup as a mage breaker. He could get to and shut down a magic user real easy. Towards the end of the game, he got a dagger that had a 50% chance of charming an enemy for 1 round, combined with his attacks he'd wreck enemy tactics.

I'm holding off on buying bg3 until it's out, but I will say, my greatest wish is that it had used a system like pathfinder: kingmaker with modern realtime pause. It's so good to make use of the ability to run simultaneous rounds, I just think that's the main draw of making it a C-rpg; you can have scenes play out in real time. But I realize that currently the turn based mode is the favoured one by the people... just, you know, what if there was time for both options. /dream

@totalrko

3 жыл бұрын

It's funny to see that certain games that have standard RTwP also implemented Turn based but when you ask for that for a game that has standard TB, you get hate and how no one wants it.

@hellgast0

3 жыл бұрын

@@totalrko It's a design decision the devs make. RTwP works in Pathfinder because the battles happen on flat surfaces with no interaction with the surroundings. In BG3 however you can do ridiculous things that just wouldn't work in real time.

@totalrko

3 жыл бұрын

@@hellgast0 Nothing difficult about making surroundings interactive.

@incotaku

2 жыл бұрын

Realtime with pause was not very popular in pathfinder. There was a poll and most people didn't use it. I found it very hard to win hard battles in realtime with pause mode, so I'd always pause (and it quickly became a chore).

I love dos 2 but have never played dnd in my life.. would it be difficult to pick up the ruleset of dnd5e just by playing baldurs gate 3? Just wondering if I should research the rules and such before playing..

The lone wolf approach would be welcomed. I like these games but not entirely, meaning that i feel more invested in to my playthrough and character when it's alone rather than having an entire party to manage. I do like the development and how i can interact with the world, the party stuff not so much. I'd rather mix spells and make combos or whatever alone than having at least two characters. I like that my character be one instead having a party as my character. So having the ability that one character can do it all is more appealing to me. I mean, it's ultimately the same be it one character or a party working for you as one character.

hmm... seems like they followed most of the rules set in the DnD 5e rulebooks. mys suggestion is don't come into BG3 thinking it's a DOS2 kind of game. Gameplay is the same still isometric but go in to the game thinking that it has different rules meaning reading tutorials is needed. I'm quite excited to try the game but until it's finished I might as well play other larian games or previous BG game

@_skud

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I assumed, and I'm excited because I can definitely see where DOS2 combat can improve

Larian designed the rules for DOS II from the ground up to be a CRPG, and I think they worked very well. BG 3 is an adapted rule set and those have always felt clunky to me. If any studio can pull that adaptation off though, it’s definitely Larian.

@TucoBenedicto

3 жыл бұрын

They have both their share of problems and strong points. The DOS systems is fairly half-assed in general, but there are ideas worth treasuring in the mix. The real issue with D&D is that the levels from 1 to 4 currently included in the Early Access are notoriously the range where the system is at its dullest. A lot of classes barely start to "come online" and differentiate enough from level 5 going up.

@nogo8304

3 жыл бұрын

@@TucoBenedicto I'm really hoping that's the case, cause i really cant get into it specifically because of the combat system. I'm gonna wait until its complete then give it a go again.

Thank you for the opinion video!

I've relied on your website for years for ESO but somehow never watched your excellent videos until now. I loved BG and BG II but just didn't like the feel of DOS II and quickly quit. Larian's videos for BG 3 made it look like an endless combat grind. But this video showing that is good because of limited AoEs, and showing where BG 3 is like Dragon Age Origins (most immersive game I ever played) with gorgeous cut scenes makes it look so good I'm going to have to try it.

ah damn, you make me feel like playing dos2 again..............

After playing the EA of BG3, and still playing it, I picked up DOSII. DOSII seems super complicated in comparison to BG3. To me, BG3 feels more "polished" (visually) and accessible than DOSII, I think because of the cutscenes personally.

@CasualPlyr

3 жыл бұрын

a little bit of research on dos 2 and it becomes the most fun game ever, the combat is bombastic, the story is fantastic and the overall experience is just amazing

@1337Alexlol

3 жыл бұрын

@@CasualPlyr yeah I finally gave dos2 a chance (never was into these types of rpgs, or rather did not try them, silly me). Rerolled multiple times, now trying my first playtrough in tactician mode as lonewolf and having a total blast with about 80 hours played. I am so glad finally tried it.

@gearzdesign

3 жыл бұрын

@@CasualPlyr I've been looking into various builds, etc and the amount of information available on DOS2 kind of overwhelms. lol

@CasualPlyr

3 жыл бұрын

@@gearzdesign coz dos2 is so popular and the builds that are possible are just crazy and amazing at the same time, I just love it

thanks for this vid

For someone who is not familiar with the whole d&d type game mechanics, would you recommend dos 2, used to playing kingdoms of amalur, dragons dogma more action rpg? I mean is it user friendly enough to pick up and play or will I spend most of my time consulting a guide🤔

@milkduds9148

3 жыл бұрын

DOS2 has very little in common with DnD mechanics outside of being turn based, but if the turn based part is what you mean, I think dos2 is quite friendly (on definitive edition, anyway). It starts with a tutorial and if you forget what something does, a description is just a hover/button press away at all times. However, the combat is completely different from the fast, multi-action style of a hack-n-slash and you will not get that kind of combat experience. I recommend looking up some footage of combat encounters to see if it'll be a deal breaker for you. Otherwise it is extremely customizable! Player classes mean nothing, you can pick up any combo of abilities and weapons as long as you put points into them.

My favorite games of all time were BG and BG2, I even have played through them again about every 4 years or so. When I heard BG3 was coming out, I was really excited, but I'll wait until there is a finished product. I would never pay money to be a beta tester.

I was reluctant to try DOS 2 at first after seeing the character customization screen which was overwhelming for me and during first playthrough I learnt about the different classes and how those compliment each other. I implemented whatever I learnt in my subsequent playthrough and then game was so much fun. I haven't experienced the story telling and dialogue options in any other game. It has be my most favorite game of all time. Also sort of like the way how they handled the divinity series trying different ideas but still keeping the story line intact

I played both and I’ll say I prefer Baldurs gate 3. The style and graphics with a dragon age orgins twist, also love the dice roll aspect

How are you thoughts now with the full release of BG3?

You'll need to make Baldur's Gate 3 Vs Divinity: Fallen Heroes somewhere in 2022 if we're still alive.

@Orchal86

3 жыл бұрын

I did just read that they paused the development of this game to focus on BG3. Did not know about a new Divinity game before your comment.

@superpatoreviews8167

3 жыл бұрын

@@Orchal86 You didn't knew because they're silent af about it and it fking pisses me off!

@valacarno

3 жыл бұрын

I've heard they are waiting for all of us to die before finishing the game.

The actual question I have is... if I liked BG2 and I never got into Divine Divinity at all, will I like BG3? That's the question I am most curious about actually.

@MaximFoyerbach

3 жыл бұрын

same!

@DemonmachinE

3 жыл бұрын

It probably depends why you didn't like Divinity. If it's because of the ruleset (maybe too much focus on ground effects?) then maybe you'll like BG3 better since it uses 5th Ed. D&D. Did you try Pathfinder Kingmarker? It uses a modified 3.5 Ed. system, technically.

@stephenc.4319

3 жыл бұрын

BG2 is my favorite game and I liked BG3. And a big part of that is because BG3 captures what I like about BG2, even though it has some differences. Pillars of Eternity 2 is closer to BG2’s style tho and is also brilliant.

@zachmartin9616

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure if you were making a joke because those two games came out within a year or so of one another. If so…. Nice. Seems like most people aren’t too familiar with the Divinity series’ origins as an ARPG series, based on the responses.

@zexacal

3 жыл бұрын

Divine divinity is a very different game from the original sin games. And if you liked baldurs gate 2... Honestly other then the lore probably not. However you could give the original sin games a try and if you like them a bit and liked bg2 then yes you will love it.

For me, the biggest, most important difference is that they finally freed themselves from the shackles that have plagued this style of RPG since Baldur's Gate: YOU CAN WALK UNDER SOMETHING AND YOU CAN WALK OVER THAT SAME THING! I got *so* excited by the rooftop combat *with an enemy inside the same house*! I just . . . you have no idea how much I've longed for this.

I like the dragon age games so it feels like BG3 might be a better option for me (as someone new to both) than DoS2. Is this an accurate assumption?

Both games combined wouldn't be perfect either imo. As much as I love the DoS "modern" franchise and the current content of BG3 they have major flows in my opinion. The way you navigate the world still feels quite clunky compared to many games, the UI is still to this day really underwhelming by moments (even though it's getting better and better in BG3, I particularly like the Character sheet UI now, but the inventory and hotbars in combat in particular are still pretty bad). It also feels like BG3 is going for a much bigger scope and budget than DoS2 did, if you compare both Early Access / first act the content in BG3 feels like there will have a lot more things to do in the end. Companions are handled better than before too. I never liked companion quests in DoS2 they felt really forced into each act (especially the third act, it never made sense to me) whereas BG3 so far companions are interesting and you genuinely want to decipher them and see where it will lead.

I really hope they add Lone Wolf to BG3, that would be a huge plus for me personally!

I’m so fucking excited for Boulders gate. Is it fully releasing this year?

Isn't BG3 in early access, like alpha stages ? How can you even compare them ?

I think you're missing the type of players who do not like DoS-2, but are curious about BG-3. Naturally, I doubt such people will watch your BG-3 streams, because from the first glance Larian's BG-3 it is too similar to DoS-3. May be it would be useful to make a video for the players who dislike DoS-2, but like the whole (A)D&D RPG corpus that evolved in more than 20 years starting from the legendary Baldur's Gate. Is there something in this reface of DoS-2 for those players? Or is it better to continue to wait for the release of Wrath of the Righteous (and may be play the beta version)?

@oxwagon

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's pretty clear that the Pathfinder games are the real heir to the Baldur's Gate legacy. Making Divinity 3, slapping a Neverwinter Nights skin on it, and calling it Baldur's Gate just reeks of cynical, emotionally manipulative marketing. Perhaps they just don't have faith in their Divinity IP, which to be fair is the weakest aspect of DOS2, and see a big established name like Baldur's Gate as the best way to elevate their work moving forward. I'm not convinced that being so blatantly indifferent to the original Baldur's Gate series in their design decisions will accomplish that.

I only wish they give it lone wolf strat asap, don't like 4man groups

@Nick-us8tm

3 жыл бұрын

You can make lonewolf work but holy F you will be reloading saves in some scenarios like mad

@mrEtuthian

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck with all that

Found this video from the other side of the equation :) I got DOS2 on sale last weekend, coming from BG3. Here are my first impressions. (For the record, I'm not a crpg "expert" but I'm certainly a veteran of the genre.) DOS2 is a "classic," old school crpg and a pretty complex one. BG3 now feels like the dumbed down version of DOS2 to me. A more positive way of saying that is that BG3 is more accessible -- and that's a good thing. But the complexity of DOS2 will be a turn off for a lot of people and the simpler mechanics of BG3 might turn off hardcore rpg players. BG3 kicks everyone and everything's bum on cinematic grandeur and immersivity as well as, of course, choices. On that level, I adore BG3 and in many ways enjoy the *experience* of playing it much more than DOS2 so far. And there's the main difference. Both are very much in the crpg genre, but they deliver different experiences. DOS2 seems to be a deep dive into "classic" crpgs, with deep mechanics and gameplay. BG3 is a deep dive into cinematic grandeur and immense immersivity. The graphics and the cut scene art are very old school in DOS2; this might be a turn off for people expecting the cinematic experience which BG3 delivers. Both are amazing at what they do, but they *are* different.

Had a gap of a year that I stopped playing BG3 and they had a HUGE turnaround. Other than crashes, the game itself is evolving perfectly. They made a ton of stuff easier to access and it looks cleaner altogether.

Didnt play BG3 yet, but DoS2 is just super artistic, full of humor, intelligence, and amazingly fun to play with your life partner.

@PaulRGauthier

8 ай бұрын

I bet you're loving BG3. Just a hunch :D

@dribbens91

8 ай бұрын

@@PaulRGauthier me and my wife.. We just need the time for it.. We have a kid now lol

@PaulRGauthier

8 ай бұрын

@@dribbens91BAH! Excuses...... Give the kid a tablet and go (the new version of "stick em in front of the TV) :P

@dribbens91

8 ай бұрын

@@PaulRGauthier he is 10 months old I can't let him just yet.. XD

Wish they would have litteraly made it a DND5e game. With every spells , class and ability available . What a dream

@Prince_Smugarina

3 жыл бұрын

Umm, they basically are. The Races, Classes, and Spells of the Base Fifth Edition will be available on Official Release, with obviously Githyanki(a non 5E base race) there too.

@HackerArmy03

3 жыл бұрын

@@Prince_Smugarina Most people nowadays just can't read the word "Early Access" nowadays lol

Does BG3 have level and loot-level scaling? Or does static loot mean that it will be exactly the same item with exactly the same properties? I honestly hated the level scaling mechanics of DOE2, the old D&D Games (and pathfinder kingmaker) did it perfectly imo.

Crazy concept, okay both!

Martial classes having extremely limited abilities feels like a step back for Larian. I recall the issue of few people wanting to play Martial classes in Everquest for this exact same reason.

@clangauss4155

2 жыл бұрын

I look forward to more of the 5e class levels being added because of this. in the TTRPG Martial classes have good impact on the battlefield and get options to facilitate that impact. In BG3 a few core class components like being able to make a mainhand attack multiple times in one action have yet to be implemented, while Wizards and such have a good chunk of their low level spells in the game already.

Timestamp champion! Thanks!

Waiting for both BG3 and Solasta

I'm interested on playing Baldurs gate 3 because Divinity original sin 2 is an amazing game. not to say that the graphics on baldurs gate 3 looks stunning and the cutscenes makes it so much better.

for me best comparison is: I can run DOS 2, BG3 I cant! so ...

I do enjoy how the bg3 beta so far emphesizes pretty boldly how badly wizards screwed up with the classes in 5e. the crazy over nerfs to the martial classes really sucked hard, and the barebones archtypes dont really help much. I do really hope that they can make martial classes actually worth playing in bg3. (outside role play obviously)

@jforozco12

2 жыл бұрын

you need to wait to higher levels for fighting classes to get better , but I get what you mean.

Fextralife! About the dialogue, when we create the character how does this works? do we set up main voice to the character or the dialogue are just muted?

@caspertrog1046

3 жыл бұрын

The player character is muted in conversations, although they'll sometimes make voiced comments (or "barks") about their surroundings while out in the world. It's a little bizarre; you'd think they'd pick either fully muted or fully voiced and stick to it, but it is what it is.

@culpinha

3 жыл бұрын

@@caspertrog1046 Oh, i see. Thanks for your answer Casper!

@eastin9899

3 жыл бұрын

The main character will be fully voiced by the time of release. Currently we only have a single cutscene/interaction where your character actually has a voiced conversation, other than that they only speak in quick blurbs every now and then

@caspertrog1046

3 жыл бұрын

@@eastin9899 Really? That's interesting. And what cutscene would you be referring to? Now I'm curious. I don't think I've encountered it, unless you're referring to that short "let's set up camp here" when you rest for the first time.

@rickc-arelsii6276

3 жыл бұрын

@@caspertrog1046 the other they're referring to is after you've chatted with Edowin. Your PC turns to the companions to discuss a bit about the Absolute.

BG 3 map is much more vertical - you can climb/jump almost anywhere. In DOS 2 you could do it with some skills too but BG3 builds its gameplay on it and pushes freedom of movement to a new level (I haven't playd BG 3 yet - I've seen several hours of gameplay though)

Or choose the best rpg instead. It's called Pathfinder Kingmaker.

Both games are sick from what i've seen. I've only played some of DOS2 but the i like the music for both games a lot.

I really like D&D lore and this immersive dialogues from BG3.

I really want to to try out this game (I will when it ends early access and releases fully) but I'm really concerned about the dice roles being implemented, it seems to me that this will hinder any over powered end game characters? (Or the opposite, making enemies unable to land an attack due to needing extraordinary high rolls) Can anyone break down the die rolling a little more, or perhaps tag a video that explains it? Thanks in advance, also, have my sub

@smartmagis

3 жыл бұрын

Here you go: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4WlwbmsgKnPdNY.html D&D Dice 101 Also your stats and class features will give you modifiers to boost your dice rolls. It's no different than in a pokemon game or KOTOR (or any number of JRPGs) where you hit or miss with your attacks, it's just that BG3 puts the dice on the screen instead of hiding it. A +1 modifier on a D20 is the same as saying +5% attack, or a class saying you crit at 19 and 20 instead of just at 20 is that same as saying +5% crit chance, for example. For additional math: let's say the low level enemy has an Armor Class of 11 (you have to roll to hit an 11 or higher). You roll a D20 and add your modifiers. If say you have modifiers that give you +5 to hit, you only need to roll a 6 out of 20 to hit that AC 11 enemy (6+5=11). That's a 75 percent chance of success. So you should have good chances. Even as enemies get harder, as long as your modifiers are increasing with your levels (which they should automatically) or you get advantages on attacks (you choose the higher of two dice rolls), say by attacking your enemy when they're prone on the ground or grappled by vines, your OP character should do just fine. Also, lots of Area of Effect and poison/necrotic/charm type attacks/spells as well as traps require the enemy to roll dice to "save" instead of your own character rolling dice. So the dice rolling goes both ways. *I've only played D&D, not this video game

I didnt like the physical and magical armor systen in DOS 2, it was so annoying!!

@InsidiousRat

3 жыл бұрын

It's annoying only on low levels. As you progress, it makes sense. Otherwise you could'v just stunlock enemies forever since turn 1

@Megenos

3 жыл бұрын

@@InsidiousRat Yeah. If you played DOS 1 then the introduction of armour in DOS 2 makes a lot of sense as to also remove the constant save checks in DOS 1. It streamlined it but at the same time removed a bit of the rpg mechanics.

@Atomo24

9 ай бұрын

A but late to the party, but I had the same issue, I started DOS2 recently and hated the armor system and the stunlock meta. There is a mod called divinity unleashed that completeley change the armor system and skills and fix this, is the base game for me now

An arpg using this engine would be amazing.

@Slappaccino

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

As someone who owns both games but hadn’t played with either series before dos2 or bg3 I’d say this is a pretty good summary of both of them. One point I’d like to add though is that, for me personally dos2 felt a lot easier to pick up and learn as I went along. Bg3 is much more complex of a game and it’s systems are much more involved than dos2 felt at any point to me. Loving bg3 so far in early access but not gonna lie, I’m still struggling with understanding all of its various rules and systems.

@X3n0n182

2 жыл бұрын

Really? I found BG3 more simplified than DOS2 (in terms of combat anyway) lol BG3 just needs more skills and abilities to mess with, and RNG loot and it all good. I feel like static loot makes it lose more brownie points

@Bridenbrad

2 жыл бұрын

@@X3n0n182 It’s more of the mechanics that make it more complex to me, bg3 has long rests and short rests, a ui with a lot of stuff on it, as well as things like those turns you take at the end of combat etc. idk dos2 was fairly easy for me to pick up and learn without any help. But bg3 I’m STILL struggling to understand how everything works lol

@X3n0n182

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bridenbrad Ye I see what you mean cos BG3 more DnD rules in there, DOS2 less RNG for the stat checks in general. Pretty much everything you do in BG3 is a dice roll Long and short rests are in a weird position atm cos you can spam those as much as you want, and the fact that some dialogue is tied to it means you end up missing out on stuff should long rests be somewhat limited or if you just end up just being conservative with them. Hmm maybe a day and night system that forces you to long rest or something idk

My frustration here is how much BG3 is looking like DOS2. They're just not hiding it at all. Even the fonts etc. I get they are using the same engine but they need to do more to make BG3 it's own game.

Loots not static i reloaded and got different loot a few times

@stephenc.4319

3 жыл бұрын

Every item that actually matters is static though. All the magic / unique items are in the same spots. The only stuff that changes is junk or low value items.

Tbh, i just want to try out the character customisation... for.. reasons..

good video

10:20 The Spiffing Brit 😂 He's everywhere

Aside for the obvious ramp-up in visuals and production value, "No shitty randomized loot" is arguably the single biggest improvement of BG3 over DOS 2. When it comes to the rest of the core game mechanics, it tends to be more a matter of taste which one you prefer. To BG3's defense, the extremely low level tier currently included in the alpha build is notoriously where D&D struggles the most to give you tactical options and remain engaging. From level 5 going up things should improve decisively.

@axellacaze9115

3 жыл бұрын

It's funny because I am the exact opposite. i actually enjoyed a lot the randomised loot, because it added a lot of replayability and huge power spikes. On the other hand, i find BG3 loot system very plain and it doesn't add a lot to your character. As you say I hope loot is going to get more interesting beyond level 5.

@TucoBenedicto

3 жыл бұрын

@@axellacaze9115 Randomized loot adds only volume to the trash bin.

@axellacaze9115

3 жыл бұрын

@@TucoBenedicto I mean it can definetely be improved. Like the gane could detect the main stats of your character and influence the loot to reflect that. But always having the same loot in the same place really kills the replayability for me. Or they could let people choose between the two, that could be nice too !

What's similar: They're both freaking amazing.

@debrickashaw9387

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. DOS2 is one of my top 5 games of all time. Can't put BG3 there yet though

@justicar5

3 жыл бұрын

Considering I can't make myself even get off the island in DOS2...sounds like they have ruined the BG franchise as well :(

@debrickashaw9387

3 жыл бұрын

@@justicar5 hint, the first two BG games have not been altered by larian studios

@justicar5

3 жыл бұрын

@@debrickashaw9387 true, but it looks like we won't get an actual successor anytime soon either.

@debrickashaw9387

3 жыл бұрын

@@justicar5 it had been 20 years, no one was planning on reviving the BG series as it was back then. The old bioware died many many years ago.

Slightly off topic but if you like Larian and these games check out the Wasteland series by InXile games. They differ from fantasy but they are awesome turn based RPGs

I played DoS2 for less than 30 hours now. Never played game of it's genre before, been huge Warcraft 3 fan, played Path of Exile, but never played turn based game like this. And overall my experience is positive, i started it on classic, and so far i had my moments of frustrations, but working with guides did help. I just finished act 1, and i dunno what else game has for me, so far it's been hard, i won some fights by working outside the box, it feels different from games i played, i play to my strengths and their weakness, at times it feels like i am almost breaking the rules for games i got in my head. Tried Baldur Gate 2 and i couldn't do it, ai felt all over the place and combat felt, well felt bit broken. Tho i did hear Steam version is all over the place. But i wanna see Divinity 2 to it's end, i already have over 100 hours on games like Dragon Age Origins, which took some cues from games like these. And i wanna see if Baldur Gate 3 will be good. But i did hear it's graphical demands are through the roof, so will see. Prolly gonna optimize it some more as it goes from alpha to proper release.

I would argue that Baldur's Gate 3 looks visually much better or improved a lot tbh. More details on the character models, especially since the game provide close up dialog system & cutscenes that simply didn't exist in DOS2. Also, Baldur's Gate 3 art design is "less cartoony" & very much aims to be a bit more serious dark-ish high fantasy themes.

DOS 2 is the one to buy and play - because the story is finished, stable and the bugs are addressed. BG3 is in Early Access - Not finished, unstable and buggy. The experience pales in comparison to DOS 2 but is decent. I believe BG3 will become the favorite of the two... about 8 months after its release. For now, DOS 2 is the better choice.

@jodyboles8208

3 жыл бұрын

why 8 months after release instead of when it releases?

@SnarkOne

3 жыл бұрын

@@jodyboles8208 I expect that the game of this size will have an insurmountable amount of bugs that need to be hotfixed a few days after release. This will be the period where we see a lot of buyers remorse in whatever media outlet we consume for the feedback of BG3. Larian will probably fail to address all the noteworthy bugs of the game right away and might change the files to increase performance and smoothness. Perhaps 3 months after the release the game will be smooth, but there will be a little bit of a piece missing, which is where modders come in. I think 5 months is what will be necessary to get a collection of various mods that will make the game feel more personal and easy to invest in for the player. I love the vanilla experience but modding makes this game so much better. It's just an opinion :)

Whats your outro Song? Thx in advance

Regarding multiclassing. I feel they (Larian) will need to implement a very good help/tip for people who are not familiar with dungeons & dragons and their rules (in this case 5e). There are so many good and bad turns you can make here that this very complex thing needs to be explained very well to people who are not familiar with this.

@ben5056

3 жыл бұрын

multiclassing can easily make you weaker, but I wouldn't say it is very difficult to learn once you have a handle on the basic mechanics.

@orarinnsnorrason4614

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. You can make as many good choices as bad ones. That's why they, imo, have to make it clear to newbies what multiclassing means.

@ben5056

3 жыл бұрын

@@orarinnsnorrason4614 maybe they can have it be an option you can select in the game menu. Off by default but available once you are ready to mess with it. Not sure what they normally use for tutorials (text box) is going to be sufficient. Players need to know how the basic classes work first

@orarinnsnorrason4614

3 жыл бұрын

@@ben5056 Not just that. You also need to know what feats or spells work with the build you're going with. This is a really tough nut to crack because this is something that you don't do on the fly (like in a video game). When making a character at a table top game you want to plan ahead. In a video game is really hard to convey that in a meaning full way. Some classes/subclasses and multiclass builds have a limited number of spells you can pick from for instance. Which means you really need to know what you're doing or else you will pick something that will do nothing for the build you're going with.

@ben5056

3 жыл бұрын

@@orarinnsnorrason4614 definitely, and to that end they really need to give us a level by level summary of class and subclass features when selecting them.

Sounds like BG3 is gonna be quite awesome! Simple classes, spells, no random loot and trillions of talents and other options. Let's hope that the story is gonna be engaging, as that's the main factor for many people.

I can't help but notice that, whilst this game is constantly compared to Divinity OS and sometimes compared to Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Neverwinter Nights etc... it never seems to be compared to *Baldur's Gate or Baldur's Gate 2.* Weird.

@nyxnightmare3542

3 жыл бұрын

Because BG1 and BG2 aren't of the same genre. BG3 is a turn based RPG. BG1 and 2 are real time RPGs. This is a MAJOR change between the games, which is why they could never be compared to it. That system change alone separates it entirely from the rest of the BG series. Then there's the fact that BG3 has Dragon Age dialogue. Up close and more personal. But it does (or will) have the same exact party system of BG1 and 2 which apparently everyone forgot about. In BG1 and 2, if your whole party was LG but you were CE and started killing everyone you meet, your LG party will literally leave. And if you don't do something fast enough for your party member's, they'll get pissed and also leave. BG3 is going to have this exact system, which will react the exact same too. But no one seems to even remember BG1 or 2 lmao A game that's more like BG1 and 2 is actually Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2. And they aren't in the D&D world either, but their systems are also the exact same as BG1 and 2, and are real time too. It is a bit weird, but honestly I don't see an issue with Larian changing the game up

I adore and have put a lot of time into both

Are you guys not doing your website anymore?