Why don't more channels like this exist?

@beng7716

5 жыл бұрын

Chris Kronkle check out the channel “Richard Atkinson”

@vetlerradio

5 жыл бұрын

Because contemporary music experts are usually older than the ''Internet generation's'' musicians and youtubers. Though, there are a lot of books and articles on these subjects, they are from another era.

@alex_evstyugov

5 жыл бұрын

There are quite a few out there. Off the top of my head, you can check out e.g. Alan Belkin, Seth Monahan, and of course David Bruce who was the one that got me here in the first place. There's more, but it really depends on your definition of "like this". Some are more like this than others. Some focus on specific instruments, eras, or genres. Some, conversely, cover a wider variety of topics but not as deeply. It's difficult to think of a complete carbon copy or clone of Samuel, but then again diversity is a good thing in my book. With that out of the way, here's the thing. Putting a video like this one together is a surprising amount of work actually. It may look like nothing, but it's everything but. You can't just churn it out on a lazy Sunday afternoon. Maybe Samuel can, by now. But it takes time to learn the ins and outs of all the tools and processes involved. It's a trade in its own right. Now add into the equation that the target audience is really tiny. Just going through my list above, Seth Monahan has 5k subs. Alan Belkin is at 12k. David Bruce is at 90k, but it took him a full ten years to get there. Samuel has 23k, and it took him five. If you start from zero, you'll sit at zero for a really long time. Especially for niche topics like this. And you won't be making a single cent off it any time soon. You need to get to at least 1k subs, and build up an impressive library of tens of hours of content first. You won't see a single cent before that. And the figures you'll start seeing after that won't be too many orders of magnitude removed from a single cent, either. So it has to be a passion project. You can only do it as a hobby on the side. And - well, analyzing a Bartók quartet note by note just isn't that popular a hobby to begin with. And indeed only less so among people who're already doing it as part of their day job. In conclusion, I'm actually quite amazed that we have any channels like this one at all. Let alone dozens of them (again, depending on our definition of "like this"). And again, there might well be twenty carbon copies of Samuel out there right now. It's just that nobody has ever heard of them. It took me five years to find this one channel. Those five years that it took Samuel to get to 23k subs. He'll hit 100k eventually, but certainly not tomorrow. And 100k is still nothing in the grand scheme of things. I live in a tiny place in the middle of nowhere whose population is twice that. And you've never even heard its name. Now imagine how many KZread channels with 1k subs are out there that you've never heard of. It's not that they don't exist. It's that we don't know that they do.

@samuel_andreyev

5 жыл бұрын

@@alex_evstyugov Thank you for your insightful analysis. My rate of growth at the moment is maybe 800 new subscribers per month. But that rate is increasing. And I'm happy to be reaching as many people as I am. It's an honour to be of service.

@fulltongrace7899

Жыл бұрын

David Hurwitz videos are very informative.

I am just thrilled that there are, as of 1/22/19, 14.5K views of this informative lecture on a very important 20th century composer. The fact that nearly 15, 000 people are interested in some or all of this lecture is a wonderful surprise. You're doing the heavy lifting, Mr. Andreyev, but it's your viewers building the muscle. Thank you!

@FlyingDominion

Жыл бұрын

Hi, I'm here because I'm in a music appreciation class and this is part of the homework that's been assigned.

@GeoffButlernzmcraft

Жыл бұрын

Nearly 50k now

@andragg

Жыл бұрын

Bartok is starting to become more popular through the years and I believe the reason is because younger music educators are more open minded people, plus the internet has helped too. When I was 16 in 1972 and heard the 5th movement on the college radio station, it changed my musical life but nobody I knew had ever heard of Bartok, even my music theory professor in college a few years later wasn't familiar with his work. Classical Music didn't really get interesting until Bartok, Stravinsky, Copeland, Schoenberg and others came along in the 20th century. And Samuel Andreyev doesn't limit himself to just classical music. He did an extensive analysis of the Rock band Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band, and the album "Trout Mask Replica". He even interviewed all the musicians who played on that album, but unfortunately Beefheart (Don Van Vliet) passed away years before. If you have not heard that album, please listen to it. There's nothing it can compare to.

@henryt9731

11 ай бұрын

@@andragg I’m here because I’m a metal head…

I am a string player myself and fall on my knees before this masterpiece!! And your analysis is amazing - as usual:) thank you!!

Incredible analysis. Just discovered Bartok and I’m so pleased that you have done an analysis on his works. These compositions have stretched my imagination of what expressive capacity a string quartet can muster. Truly inspiring pieces. Thank you for this excellent deep dive!

I could listen to you talk about music all day... I'm not very well versed in music theory, but this helps me understand to some degree, or beginning to at least. I love your breakdown of the parts, I haven't had the chance to listen to the suggested rendition yet, but I will at some point tonight when stuff settles down. thank you for your passion in this. I'm getting to the point where I can donate monthly here shortly, I really want to support your videos getting even better (if possible) sorry I'm ramblin'

Fantastic as always. The piano seperations are particularly helpful, aurally and visually. Bartok's quartets are often so densely voiced that it is hard to pick out what each instrument is doing. Thank you for applying your expertise and natural talent as a teacher to these amazing pieces of music.

@samuel_andreyev

7 жыл бұрын

yaarge2 Thank you. This one was particularly difficult to do. Bartók's music is not easy to parse..

Very informative, I feel like I now know better a piece I've loved for years. Thanks!

I've struck gold with finding this channel. Keep up the good work

Can't tell you how valuable this is, and how refreshing it is to see such in-depth, high quality content on one of my favorite quartets. Thank you.

Thanks so much for this video. I really like the way you summary the harmonic progression in to a harmonic sketch.

Crystal-clear and simply fantastic. Definitely earned a sub.

I have just discovered your channel. Thank you for taking time to do this analysis. Looking forward for more videos coming from your channel. Keep up the great work.

@samuel_andreyev

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you! More videos are on the way soon.

I return home from work, listening to Bartók's 4th on my headphones, and find this video waiting for me. What a treat! Thank you so much Samuel for taking the time and effort to make this, it has real worth and value for so many of us. There's only one real problem with it: it ends too soon! (that's not really a criticism, I can only guess at the complexity of the task of creating these videos, let alone one about a piece as dense as this). Thanks again and keep it up, looking forward to the next one!

@samuel_andreyev

6 жыл бұрын

It's simply an honor to be able to contribute in some manner. Thank you so much for writing. I agree that this one could have been longer, but at a certain point I have to stop -- I could talk about this piece for hours :)

@Kitsua

6 жыл бұрын

Well let's just say that if you decide to return to this piece and topic in future, none of us would complain! thanks again for simply fantastic content.

I just found your channel, your work is very interesting and pleasant to watch, keep it up !

Bartok is starting to become more popular through the years and I believe the reason is because younger music educators are more open minded people, plus the internet has helped too. When I was 16 in 1972 and heard the 5th movement on the college radio station, it changed my musical life but nobody I knew had ever heard of Bartok, even my music theory professor in college a few years later wasn't familiar with his work. Classical Music didn't really get interesting until Bartok, Stravinsky, Copeland, Schoenberg and others came along in the 20th century. And Samuel Andreyev doesn't limit himself to just classical music. He did an extensive analysis of the Rock band Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band, and the album "Trout Mask Replica". He even interviewed all the musicians who played on that album, but unfortunately Beefheart (Don Van Vliet) passed away years before. If you have not heard that album, please listen to it. There's nothing it can compare to.

What a wonderful composition! Amazing how Bartók extends tonality. In some bars in the first movement I get the impression of being surrounded by thousands of wasps.

@fulltongrace7899

Жыл бұрын

In some of Bartok’s orchestral music there are movements of night music with eerie insect-like nocturnal sounds.

@ExxylcrothEagle

11 ай бұрын

It's officially 4318 wasps

Great analysis, of this extraordinary work . Thanks

What a wonderful and educational analysis, especially for composers to watch.

Excellent!!! I love your channel

I think both Bartok and Stravinsky are modal composers..rather than staying in a particular key, they are moving modally.

Thanks . So glad this exists . Spent a happy Sunday looking at listening to Quartet No. 2 (much easier to get a grasp and to feel )- displacement is a simple notion . But when to use it . Things have meaning when tied to behavior and needs of music . Bartok is considered important and his influence is easily seen in Eotvos , Sessions , even Copland so I know I need to know how his music functions . His slow music is easily felt while the fast opening movements in Bartok I like to see the page but still don't always feel how all of it says something I readily apprehend like a Beethoven quartet or Symphony .

Great analysis of one of the finest pieces of music ever written by anyone, especially movement V. Allegro molto, which is a big inspiration for me as a composer and Progressive Rock, i.e. Robert Fripp of King Crimson and Keith Emerson of Emerson , Lake & Palmer, who's first track from their first album is the piano piece, Allegro Barbaro done as a trio with Hammond organ, electric bass and drums they called "The Barbarian". So if there are people from the classical music world who look down on Rock 'n Roll, there are some great musicians doing compelling music. People such as Leonard Bernstein and Alberto Ginastera were surprised at the talent of Keith Emerson who did a synthesizer version of Ginastera's Toccata Concertata .

You can hear Bartok's influence on Frank Zappa in this quartet in particular. Thank you for this analysis. I love learning from you.

I would love to hear the last 5th movement orchestrated for a chamber ensemble, similar to what was done to Shostakovich’s 8th string quartet.

The intermediary section of the exposition uses both modes of the octatonic scale simultaneously, one in the cello and the other in the viola.

Great analysis. Thanks!

You are making musicology great again-thanks bigly!

I think some of the appeal of Bartok is that he does have the 'poles" like you said. I feel completely 12 tone music loses something. Even for the trained ear. I prefer some sort of harmonic background. It gives the listener something to hold on to. Something to relate to. It builds contrast. Which is important to life. Birds and bees. Lion and its prey. When all 12 tones have the same weight the music seems to weigh nothing. It can be exiting, like a roller coaster, but not memory forming. Just my opinion. Thanks for the great video!

@maxmcwhirter5456

4 жыл бұрын

I think this is true to a certain extent but it only pertains to a certain austere kind of 12 tone music. You can have textures, colours, rhythmic patterns, forms etc. which can act as sign posts for a listener to latch on to rather than just the harmony itself. I agree that it often can be hard though, but the same goes for atonal music or even just highly chromatic music. 12 tone stuff can indeed even be full of tonal references innit.

Super! I was looking forward to this

Fifht movement of this quartet inspired the metal generations to come

Excellent! Thank you

Excellent! I’m already using your Pierrot Lunaire video in a music theory class I teach. Next time I teach the class, I’m going to start incorporating this one too.

@samuel_andreyev

Жыл бұрын

Glad it's helpful!

Your channel is awesome!!!

Great video, very interesting.

A very clear exposition of Bartok's techniques.

Great video!! I just recoded my 1st string quartet!! Subscribed!!

Thank you for making this video!!!!! Can't say how much this is helping for my pre-quals at UNT!

This is excellent!

I'm skimming through the Bartok String Quartets as research for finishing a metal album on the recommendation of an old professor. Bartok generally throws in the kitchen sink in a quest for texture both melodic and harmonic. These are amazingly deep works and it goes to show that Andreyev could take a whole composition lesson explaining what amounts to the construction of one movement! They can be so complicated that the great Dr. Walter Piston screwed up his dissertation so badly on the 1st quartet, the under informed argument (and he had just died, and not so much of the ethnomusicology was there for public research of the time) became a work of art in its own right. Can't say enough good stuff about this analysis. This is really thorough and its a must if you are a string player looking to get a handle on what amounts to a really difficult performance piece. Andeyev has a really whole approach to the video essay and got in that important detail about how aware Bartok was in later life of his contemporaries, which completes my understanding of the work. And you see the contrast between the whole tone rows and octotonic scales as they function in the melody.

long ago, friends were playing a coffee house gig and ran out of material. It was very informal so they agreed to play the Bartok again. On a lark, we asked them to play a movement faster. Faster - no - REALLY fast. It was like focusing a camera - everything began to sound east European - the curious little chromatic figures morphed into ornaments and the clashes of tonality, the asymetric rhythms sounded astonishingly like what you might hear at Folklife, accompanying dancers or something. I suppose invaders from central asia and so on brought a bit of the exotic to mix with the triadic oompah. Oh the Cumanity! There are some very old recordings of Hungarian music here on KZread, and the harmonies and rhythm can get a bit interesting

woaa thank you so much for this video !

This quartet has been a favorite since I first heard it in my late teens. I like following the score, but my limited acquaintance with common practice theory is of little use in making sense of what I'm seeing on the page. Your analysis is a giant step forward. This music means something to me and you've enriched its importance, for which I am very grateful.

@samuel_andreyev

6 жыл бұрын

I'm really thrilled to hear that -- thanks for writing!

very good indeed, thank you!

Superb piece of music.

I. Love. This.

Thank You!

A sublime composer. Stunning.

Thanks, Samuel. It's a very interesting approach for a very beautiful piece!

@samuel_andreyev

6 жыл бұрын

Maryson Borges Great to hear from you Maryson. Glad you enjoyed the video ! Bis später !

This is brilliant

Excellent analysis, thank you for sharing!

@samuel_andreyev

6 жыл бұрын

Flavio Romanelli You're most welcome. Thank you for writing.

how do i reference this video in MLA for a paper i'm writing lols (not a real question but actually a real question)

I am Happy. This is the first of your programs sent to me. I studied music - the teaching was really poor and I studied on my own. Wonderful to continue my education in old age with your programs. I would so much like to support you financialy but at the moment I'm in need of financial support myself. As soon as I see the possibility I'll post some money.

@samuel_andreyev

7 жыл бұрын

Felix de Villiers You have a French name, are you a francophone? Glad to hear my videos have been helpful to you.

@felixdevilliers1

7 жыл бұрын

No, I adopted my mother's name, de Villiers. She was a descendant of the French Huguenots. I love all things French and my translations into Italian of French poetry will appear soon in a book.While I am here, do you know a Canadian composer called Scott Good who is a close e-mail friend.? His music is quite different from yours but I love it all the same.

wow, very nice!

Measure 14 seems to begin a canon on the theme of a squeaky wheel, following a venerable traditional topus.

Bartok completed several folk song collections with Zoltán Kodaly in the years before WWI. Bartok began the ethnomusicology department at the Liszt Academy which Kodaly took over when Bartok emigrated to the US. If you ask the Hungarians they consider Bartok as the greatest composer (even above Liszt) because his music is so influenced by the traditional folk song idiom. Liszt is regarded as being of the European tradition - although he did much to support the next generation by teaching and donating his house which became the first building of the Liszt Academy.

Great

Hi, first of all congratulations for this fantastic channel. Bartok is my favourite composer but sometimes is quite difficult for me to understand his works. for example in these days i'm studying the SECOND STRING QUARTET(1917), and i have found chords like this: a triad C - Bb - E, followed by Db - F - A with Ab in the bass! I really don't know how to classify those chords! Can you help me?

Bartók is the best, I love him so much. Main reason to be a proud Hungarian.

@NickBatinaComposer

3 жыл бұрын

AAAAY a fellow slav, nice nice!!! I think you’d like the works by Schnittke (might i recommend the Concerto Grosso No 1?), and maybe also the American composer Lou Harrison!!

@NickBatinaComposer

3 жыл бұрын

Hope ur doing well buddy!!! Stay safe :)

@suzyserling277

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mate; …You should also be extremely proud of your country’s contribution to Music Education and Musicology both in Bartok’s and Zoltan Kodaly’s work.!!- take care.

Hello, do you have any video explaining or talking about Bernard Herman style?

Someone needs to make a Metal Version of the 5th movement of that string quartet...

@sneddypie

5 жыл бұрын

It already is metal

@Olwehn

5 жыл бұрын

Oh no,, don't get me wrong, I love metal, but please no more metal versions of classical and modern art music. It falls flat each and every time.

@wadsmitter511

4 жыл бұрын

King Crimson already did. Well, sort of. Check out "Lark's tounge in aspic pt. 1 & 2", Level 5, Fracture and Frakctured

@wadsmitter511

4 жыл бұрын

Fracture isn't as "heavy" as the others, but is still bartok-ish.

@davidhowe6905

3 жыл бұрын

@@sneddypie This piece was on radio in an office I shared in the '90s; my colleague's immediate reaction was "This is Heavy Metal"!

So who was creatively using the idea of actual tonal resolution or partial resolution in an extended modern way? Ginistera?

Hi Samuel, after watching a few of your videos I noticed that there is often a let's call it "lip smacking" noise. I have heard a radio host talking about this phenomenon and he said that this can be avoided by taking a sip of water right before recording. Maybe you have noticed this sound as well. Thanks for your videos, I hope this that was helpful :-)

Yeah!!!

Repitition seems to in a way substitute for resolution just because it becomes a landmark or destination repeatedly arrived at? Stamped into our hearing.

Very interesting video. I feel like an in-depth analysis of almost any Bartok quartet would require about 20-30 hours of video! That said, I'm glad that your video isn't that long, as I'm currently knee-deep in trying to make sense of Myaskovsky's String Quartet no. 1.

@samuel_andreyev

7 жыл бұрын

I started getting concernzd about the length of the video when I realized that it was taking almost a half hour to adequately explain the first 3 or 4 bars.. ! So I've had to restrict it to a few carefully chosen examples.

Currently practising his second violin concerto...I think it's the greatest violin concerto in the 20th century, could you analyze it?

Brilliant analysis. I just don't get, if the whole tone pitches between C-F# are tonic and between Eb-A are dominant, how does Bb-E serve as tonic?

OH MY GOD!

@samuel_andreyev

7 жыл бұрын

John Appleseed Try to stay calm :)

@johnappleseed8369

7 жыл бұрын

Awesome video, thanks :))) One of my favorite string quartets

@samuel_andreyev

7 жыл бұрын

Me too.. in fact this was one of the first pieces of 'modern' music I discovered as a teenager. So I have a certain debt towards Bartók.

@UrMom-kr5jx

5 жыл бұрын

John Appleseed hey john whats up i see you everywhere on videos like this i love you so much

What is the piece you played at the ending of the video?

thanks for a wonderful analysis. what is the composition in the outtro section of the video (at 38:09ish)?

@samuel_andreyev

6 ай бұрын

That’s my piece ‘Strasbourg Quartet’. You can find it on Spotify etc

What is your favourite recording of each movement?

@samuel_andreyev

7 жыл бұрын

HanBurritoz The Hungarian String Quartet -- and that's the version I used for the examples.

@HanBurritoz

7 жыл бұрын

Samuel Andreyev Oh I adore their recording of the 3rd movement. The Cello part is a little sharp some times but that gives so much more intensity to his 'night music' style.

Where do you see the role of the Futurist music of Luigi Russolo within the development of the Atonal or non root based, chromatic movement? Would you see the futuristic´s manifestation as random or a gimicky, Dadaist, tongue in cheek commentary on the contemporary music or his attempt to create automatic composition?

@samuel_andreyev

6 жыл бұрын

offisk dahl I don't see Russolo as having had any role at all in the development of composition. I see him as an offshoot of mainly pictorially based art movements, even though he worked with sound. I have however read and enjoyed his text on the art of noise.

It would be nice if you would use more sound fragments when you explain the structure of a piece. For example for this, a cello player would have been great.

So this tonic dominant allegory is based on the whole tone scale (which is autistic i.e. incapable of resoulution). So this axial thing isn't in any way based on resolution just destination. It's a system to organize traffic flow in a sense?

@woejinslow

Ай бұрын

Never heard that definition of autistic before

What's the piece at the end? With bass clarinet, flute etc. It sounds really good, and quite similar to the Bartók in some ways.

@samuel_andreyev

3 жыл бұрын

That's my piece Strasbourg Quartet, available on the disc 'Music with no Edges' from Kairos Records (also on Spotify, etc)

@nigelhaywood9753

3 жыл бұрын

@@samuel_andreyev Great I'll check it out.

Could I get some information about the closing music? Is it yours? so cool

@samuel_andreyev

10 ай бұрын

Yes, it’s my piece ‘Strasbourg Quartet’

Rite of spring vibes

So look I am stuck with this idea of a tonal nomans land (for lack of a better set of distinctions) between advanced tonal harmony and 12 tone music so I've lumped lots of stuff and composers into this bag. As a Jazz pianist I've experienced the phenomenon that this no-mans land is extremely hard to keep your footing in because the pull of tonality or free atonality is so strong that it is extremely difficult to occupy this ground without slipping either way; much less find whats compelling. So this program is frustrating for me. Ah good work I suppose.

What's the name of the song that plays at the outro?

@samuel_andreyev

3 жыл бұрын

Strasbourg Quartet, it's on my album Music with no Edges (on Spotify, etc)

Thank you for this. However, I came here because I needed an analysis of the third movement, so I'm afraid it didn't help me this time. Like someone suggested already, it would be nice for the title to be a little more accurate. But thanks anyway, amazing material and you make it very easy to understand.

Is it true that his music influenced the birth of heavy-metal indirectly? I know that Robert Fripp was influenced by him, even though that isn't quite metal.

This is awesome! Radiohead, please!

That was very informative! Could you analyse Bartok's 5th quartet please

@samuel_andreyev

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment. I'm always interested to receive requests, but please bear in mind that each video takes between 2-3 weeks to do, and I have to fit them into a very crowded schedule. Also I have a lot of composers to get to, so it may be a while before I can do second works by composers I've already covered. Best regards.

@slateflash

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. Thanks to you i've discovered even more things in this piece that i've missed previously

Sweet 8)

Something about bartok's music strikes me as incredibly rock n roll. Totally a subjective take

20:41 Just to remember where i djd stop

Luv ! This channel . why is Kurtag so important . I look at his work on the page and see only what is invisible too me . A page of Elliott Carter Messaen . Ligeti or Boulez , Stravinsky -almost everyone immediately thrusts its personality & originality at me . Like Webern there are small things present in the look of his pages and radical stuff happening historically , musically etc. I have no idea what Kurtag is about . Bartok said something that always stays with me . If ou can't see whats happening on my page - you don't really know what's happening in Beethoven . So ifyoure not a musicin and have some expertise in theory we are just humming tunes and sentimentally following .

@sebastianzaczek

5 жыл бұрын

Why do you put two spaces between every word ? (Sorry...😂)

@punkpoetry

4 жыл бұрын

I hope that once the global pandemic subsides and everything is back more or less to normal, you can get the psychiatric help you so clearly require. Ask your nurses what’s the deal with Kurtag, I’m sure they’ll humor you.

I liked this video before I watched a second of it.

what is the name of the piece used as the tag at the end of the video?

@samuel_andreyev

6 жыл бұрын

It's a short excerpt from my piece Strasbourg Quartet, which has just been published, and will be recorded in a few months for a new CD on Kairos Records (Vienna).

@evanbils

6 жыл бұрын

looking forward to being able to hear the full thing, sounds great

could you do an analysis of Gyorgy Ligeti's double concerto? that would be very interesting

@samuel_andreyev

6 жыл бұрын

Ligeti is perhaps the composer for whom I've had the most requests. I will certainly do a video in the next few months. Thanks for writing.

You should pronounce Karol's name "Shymanowski" ;)

@samuel_andreyev

7 жыл бұрын

katja niklas Thanks for letting me know :)

@kibic12

7 жыл бұрын

A funny thing is, the Hungarian way to read the sign/letter (a double sign actually) _sz_ is "S" and Polish is "Sh". However, Hungarian _s_ is pron. as "Sh". What strange people are they... ;)

Contrary motion is not a contrapuntual technique... if anything its the fundamental idea for counterpoint itself. Suggestion: The video should be really named "An overview of the first movement of Bartóks String Quartet No. 4".

Why dont you make a video on "understanding Bartok" instead of just reviewing one of his pieces?

Gonna be tuning into this one. Jordan Peterson's channel sent me here.

The information is good, but from an educational perspective, but too much talking, and not enough examples. Make a point, play example, point-example. Bring the video down to 24 minutes, 8 3 minutes sections Part 1, 2, 3, 4...etc...much better.

dont this guy like 19th and 18th century music?

I think if you cut out all the canons in this work, you’d be left with about three notes-an exaggeration, but not by much.

you sure you studied analysis at uni?

Ingenious, interesting and persuasive but I am left with the impression that if Bartok were working with words we would have Het tac ast ohten tam which I could explain but which actually conveys nothing to the sane mind. I enjoy Bartok in so far as his music almost accidentally coincides with some of the aspects of the human condition which are common to us all across time and space but the ingenioius technique is his business as composer rather than mine as listener. With Bach, Haydn, Beethoven, Wagner - to take the most obvious examples - there is much ingenuity of structure but we can respond via our ears without a NECESSARY analysis. The "noises" of Bartok's String Quartets are sometimes only "made sense of" by an analysis, as is the case with my verbal sentence. Interestingly, I think Shostakovich solved the problems inherent in Bartok: in his quartets we have total access via open-minded unprejudiced ears.

Come on, man! You're in a room with a piano. Can you not spare us a handful of notes to help illustrate what you're describing? I'm 12:30 in, and I am overwhelmed by the front-loading. When you finally get around to playing us the quartet, as I must believe you will, I will have no way of recognizing the principles you've described.