Awekeys metal keycap review (titanium black edition)

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Skip to 5:49 for a loud, clicky typing demo.
Skip to 6:48 for a quiet, linear typing demo.
Get them here: awekeys.com/products/fullmeta...
Today we look at another keycap set; something cool again! These are metal (I suspect it's zamak) and have a quite unique feel and sound to them. Hope you enjoy the video!
Intro by Kyle Carter
Outro by Facundo Cabanne
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I'm Thomas and I do videos and reviews on mechanical keyboards ranging from the most sickening modern RGB gaming keyboards to vintage hardware relics, or sometimes keycaps or keyswitches ranging from Cherry MX to Alps SKCM to IBM buckling springs and anything in between.
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  • @ENDESGA
    @ENDESGA21 күн бұрын

    that spacebar sounds like a goddamn guillotine

  • @esra_erimez

    @esra_erimez

    21 күн бұрын

    How does this comment not have more likes?

  • @CaveyMoth

    @CaveyMoth

    21 күн бұрын

    Not quite as wet. Needs more lube.

  • @darkurthe

    @darkurthe

    21 күн бұрын

    @@esra_erimez It really should.

  • @liefhebber6277

    @liefhebber6277

    21 күн бұрын

    yo its the guy who makes nykra and cool palettes yoooooo

  • @ENDESGA

    @ENDESGA

    20 күн бұрын

    @@liefhebber6277 lmao hello, yes I also watch youtube videos and post comments

  • @Rosko333
    @Rosko33321 күн бұрын

    They should have named this the anvil keycap set because hitting that spacebar sounds like the shards of Narcil being reforged.

  • @TowaAkeashi
    @TowaAkeashi21 күн бұрын

    The combination of the the spacebar, the reverb, and the deep clickie sound makes the 8BitDo sound insanely badass

  • @lukeumhoefer

    @lukeumhoefer

    21 күн бұрын

    All of the coverage (intentional or unintentional) is starting to convince me to give one a try my goodness

  • @nickthaskater

    @nickthaskater

    21 күн бұрын

    And they only cost 3x the board

  • @HallsteinI

    @HallsteinI

    19 күн бұрын

    the the

  • @mewserino
    @mewserino21 күн бұрын

    normal keyboard: *tink* good keyboard: *thock* that spacebar: *THONK*

  • @impointr

    @impointr

    21 күн бұрын

    good keyboard: tink topre keyboard: thock that spacebar: metal pipe

  • @arubberroomwithrats
    @arubberroomwithrats21 күн бұрын

    chyrosran never fails to tickle my pickle with his vids 🥰

  • @thorham1346

    @thorham1346

    21 күн бұрын

    Tickle your pickle 🤔

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    @@arubberroomwithrats lol xD

  • @atemoc

    @atemoc

    21 күн бұрын

    You again!

  • @arubberroomwithrats

    @arubberroomwithrats

    21 күн бұрын

    @@atemoc i genuinely love chyrosran's vids just also love posting weird shit

  • @atemoc

    @atemoc

    21 күн бұрын

    @@arubberroomwithrats Same for the first one, can't relate to the second

  • @CaptainShovelHead
    @CaptainShovelHead21 күн бұрын

    The birds are back

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    Yeah I think they're blackbirds. There was a blackbird nest in my garden just last year, too. They sing quite prettily, but also a lot xD .

  • @y00t00b3r

    @y00t00b3r

    21 күн бұрын

    @@Chyrosran22 Birds!

  • @redaffix7320

    @redaffix7320

    21 күн бұрын

    @@Chyrosran22 Birds are nice ambiance to talk over. Personally highly prefer it to channels that have electronic music or even dubstep as the background track to commentary.

  • @thegeforce6625

    @thegeforce6625

    21 күн бұрын

    @@redaffix7320honestly agreed

  • @d33b33
    @d33b3321 күн бұрын

    These caps and that 8BitDo board sound really sweet together.

  • @AlphaMachina
    @AlphaMachina21 күн бұрын

    I had a massive smile on my face throughout the majority of this review. That's a beautiful keyboard.

  • @TeamFortress2SGR
    @TeamFortress2SGR21 күн бұрын

    Ah yes new video from my favorite unintentional ASMR channel :)

  • @thethriftyfawn

    @thethriftyfawn

    21 күн бұрын

    Relatable! 😄

  • @DavidG2P

    @DavidG2P

    21 күн бұрын

    That VOICE! Incredible 😴💤

  • @thethriftyfawn

    @thethriftyfawn

    21 күн бұрын

    @@DavidG2P The "ask me anything" video on this channel triggers me to fall asleep within a matter of minutes... EVERY SINGLE TIME! 😂

  • @DavidG2P

    @DavidG2P

    21 күн бұрын

    @@thethriftyfawn OMG I'm so looking forward to put that video on 75% speed for tonight 💚

  • @thethriftyfawn

    @thethriftyfawn

    21 күн бұрын

    @@DavidG2P No joke, I put that video on every night, and I'm asleep within 3 to 7 minutes!!! I play it on regular speed (then it just plays on its own till the end, and keeps me asleep lol) I've never had such restful sleep in my life! I've been getting up at 4 or 5am every day for months now, and using that extra time for hobbies that I never had time to do before! Second place video for this effect is the IBM Selectric Typewriter video! But the AMA/ask me anything video is guaranteed crash for me and takes first place LOL 😊💤

  • @magoid
    @magoid21 күн бұрын

    2:18 You called their bluff :-)

  • @wira8097
    @wira809721 күн бұрын

    Clink sounds on the spacebar sounds great!

  • @happens4656
    @happens465621 күн бұрын

    I actually kind of love how "heavy-duty" the metal keycaps sound. lol

  • @Mintor94
    @Mintor9421 күн бұрын

    5:50 this is some quality ASMR

  • @Thiesi
    @Thiesi21 күн бұрын

    Holy frell, that spacebar is next level!

  • @det.bullock4461
    @det.bullock446121 күн бұрын

    That spacebar sounds like you should hear a gravelly voice talking about the Riddle of Steel over it.

  • @thethriftyfawn
    @thethriftyfawn21 күн бұрын

    I really like the sounds of these metal keycaps a lot! 😊

  • @dorstefan
    @dorstefan21 күн бұрын

    They sound really good on the 8Bit.

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    It is such an excellent chassis for purposes like this :D .

  • @pokepokepoke64
    @pokepokepoke6421 күн бұрын

    These sound way better than my metal keycaps, I have a set of alumizu caps that sit kind of off on my switches and they feel like they click into place when I push down. It’s weird

  • @qwertyuiop32935
    @qwertyuiop3293521 күн бұрын

    Very nice review, thank you and have a good night!

  • @agrisimfarming
    @agrisimfarming21 күн бұрын

    Anytime the 8bitdo keyboard pops up in a video you know you're in for a good time

  • @WyattOShea
    @WyattOShea21 күн бұрын

    These sound pretty amazing on the first board.

  • @luciascarlet
    @luciascarlet21 күн бұрын

    I want a Typing Demo XL of that 8bitdo… that sounds DIVINE

  • @NiksSofa
    @NiksSofa21 күн бұрын

    Hmm.. The IBM buckling spring keyboards use a seperate "keycap"-cap with the printing on it. If you could get those in metal, that would increase the weight of the keyboard to "need to book it's own seat in airplanes" levels.

  • @smwsmwsmw
    @smwsmwsmw21 күн бұрын

    Not Helvetica; Helvetica has squared off line ends. These are rounded.

  • @YuryKhristich

    @YuryKhristich

    19 күн бұрын

    Helvetica Rounded, then

  • @itsArikfr
    @itsArikfr21 күн бұрын

    came for keycaps stayed for voice.

  • @Danielstigman
    @Danielstigman21 күн бұрын

    Love the tweeting birds in the background lmao

  • @Aeduo

    @Aeduo

    21 күн бұрын

    I couldn't hear them over the tweeting birds outside the window here.

  • @Continental0p
    @Continental0p21 күн бұрын

    I actually just put these same keycaps on a keyboard. It's definitely a stabilizer issue, but these keycaps seem more likely to have a tolerance issue than others. My only complaint with them is the lack of homing keys; "F" & "J" are just normal caps. Same issue i had with the ceramic set, but I just saw that they now make homing keys. Maybe these guys will be able to add them to the lineup later too

  • @NEEDbacon

    @NEEDbacon

    21 күн бұрын

    I mean, given that they're metal I don't imagine at all to make them homing would be hard at all.

  • @jammies701
    @jammies70121 күн бұрын

    Nice vid mate

  • @x9x9x9x9x9
    @x9x9x9x9x921 күн бұрын

    Brother needs a desk pad to mute out some of that table rumble.

  • @urdnal
    @urdnal21 күн бұрын

    The spacebar thunk made my cat start looking around the room.

  • @pyrojinn
    @pyrojinn21 күн бұрын

    this behemoth of a keycaps kit should really be used on the most obnoxiously loud and venerating keyboard, that spacebar got some thump to it

  • @reptilespantoso
    @reptilespantoso21 күн бұрын

    Sounds Heavy Metal. 😛

  • @esra_erimez

    @esra_erimez

    21 күн бұрын

    🤣

  • @snarfbot
    @snarfbot12 күн бұрын

    Sounds divine

  • @wkgmathguy218
    @wkgmathguy21820 күн бұрын

    The more metal a keyboard is, the better! I'd love to have caps like these on the repro f77 :-) Great to see you Tom .

  • @groggyme
    @groggyme21 күн бұрын

    That spacebar is so nice!... HNNNNG! I love the machanical sound. Its so ridiculous.

  • @Rekettyelovag
    @Rekettyelovag14 күн бұрын

    Alright that space bar sound might be my new notification sound.

  • @redcroft308
    @redcroft30821 күн бұрын

    This thing sounds like heaven.... I'd dull that spacebar a bit tho. Otherwise it's so clickyty metally clacky I love it. Way better on the 8bit rather than the keychron.

  • @myselph1761
    @myselph176121 күн бұрын

    Spacebar sounds reminiscent of professional fencing

  • @HansBezemer
    @HansBezemer21 күн бұрын

    I'll like the industrial sound the spacebar makes. One should play Rammstein in background while using this.

  • @Sm00k
    @Sm00k21 күн бұрын

    I need those to sit on my 150g switches. I need that rebound inertia in my life.

  • @RobertBoerner
    @RobertBoerner21 күн бұрын

    Very interesting sounds. I’m very curious what these keycaps would sound like when used with a Wooting 60HE with Gateron Jade switches.

  • @meowcula
    @meowcula21 күн бұрын

    that space bar ... damn

  • @YuryKhristich
    @YuryKhristich19 күн бұрын

    The second typing demonstration sounds like an Middle Age sword fight. If my memory serves me well.

  • @BrianMcKee
    @BrianMcKee21 күн бұрын

    On the 8 bit do the pings sound like shells from a gun dropping on the ground.

  • @B-a_s-H
    @B-a_s-H21 күн бұрын

    Dang that sounds nice. Should be a lot of fun in the office too :D

  • @sarreqteryx
    @sarreqteryx21 күн бұрын

    Dayum... That is a reverb MACHINE

  • @maidpretty
    @maidpretty21 күн бұрын

    This nano-something is probably just a common DLC/PVD coating.

  • @blackjack8957
    @blackjack895721 күн бұрын

    Heerlijk!

  • @fonseca898
    @fonseca89821 күн бұрын

    Woo!

  • @ARVash
    @ARVash21 күн бұрын

    The atoms that make up the coating are nanoscopic unlike the bose-einstein condensate coatings.

  • @michaelkolano8686
    @michaelkolano868621 күн бұрын

    i wonder how these fare for picking up grime, and ease of cleaning. that's honestly my biggest issue with keycaps in my experience. i was considering looking into some form of ceramic kinds, but the pricetag on them is pretty imposing. and i think i prefer metal somehow

  • @Tilaton
    @Tilaton21 күн бұрын

    I think I might have to get 8Bitdo keyboard now.

  • @robr640
    @robr64021 күн бұрын

    New sound description unlocked: Thunky...

  • @MrChomiq
    @MrChomiq21 күн бұрын

    That spacebar sound, Jesus Christ!

  • @Xingqiwu387
    @Xingqiwu38719 күн бұрын

    So all you who've tried the Cerakeys and the Awekeys, which would you ultimately prefer?

  • @inzyster
    @inzyster21 күн бұрын

    Did your set actually include all the ISO keys? I’m asking because the photo on their product page doesn’t 😅

  • @yuhwryu1234
    @yuhwryu123419 күн бұрын

    the birds are a little quiet, is there any way to make them a bit more audible?

  • @xzzdm
    @xzzdm21 күн бұрын

    It looks awesome! Does it get oily after a period of use?

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    Not after a week for me but it may vary per individual.

  • @Kvantum
    @Kvantum21 күн бұрын

    Did you try them with a Kailh box switch? I'd be worried with the prongs getting stuck in the outer edge of the box stems.

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    I haven't, and one commenter said it didn't, so I'd be apprehensive about it.

  • @jacksontaylor7448
    @jacksontaylor744821 күн бұрын

    how are you liking the clickiez switches? I am looking into the switch for my first clicky switch keyboard and look very promising if i dont want to go into a alps board.

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    Check out my review of them!

  • @1carusGG
    @1carusGG21 күн бұрын

    These keycaps are expensive, but I can only imagine their manufacturing process. Each of the keycaps need to be presumably milled out of a solid block of Titanium.

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    Nah, they are almost certainly cast.

  • @1carusGG

    @1carusGG

    21 күн бұрын

    @@Chyrosran22 Isn't that really difficult though? I believe that titanium does take a lot of heat to be cast and is quite unstable as a compound.

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    @@1carusGG I'm pretty sure it's not titanium, I suspect it's zamak.

  • @P4GrAnGeR
    @P4GrAnGeR21 күн бұрын

    I instantly thought much worse of my keyboard after listening to that. Holy shit!

  • @mithikx
    @mithikx19 күн бұрын

    I'd like to see someone do a build with these keycaps with the goal of making a keyboard as heavy as they can.

  • @xard64
    @xard6421 күн бұрын

    Is it a good estimation that these keycaps weight around 6 times more than a same layout set of PBT keycaps? I'm just wondering about the overall added weight.

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    Sounds about right, yeah.

  • @jesuszamora6949
    @jesuszamora694920 күн бұрын

    Interesting. I wonder if they affect the resetting of lighter keys. 5x as heavy as a normal cap is crazy, but a 30g space bar is bonkers.

  • @pessie83
    @pessie8321 күн бұрын

    The design of the 'power' light above the 'Pause' key looks a bit like that of the Commodore 64 keyboard, or I must be mistaken.

  • @mattcrowley8993
    @mattcrowley899321 күн бұрын

    What was the practice sentence for those demos?

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    Dunno, I made it up as I went along xD .

  • @kornaros96
    @kornaros963 күн бұрын

    The spacebar sounds like the HK G3A3 that I shoot with the other day.

  • @Lemon_Inspector
    @Lemon_Inspector21 күн бұрын

    New keycap concept: keycaps so heavy they perfectly offset the actuation force of the switches.

  • @Parker_Noodles
    @Parker_Noodles21 күн бұрын

    I have a set of these I tried using with Kailh box switches and they would not fit inside the box. Solid keycaps but don't buy them if you use box switches.

  • @cheater00

    @cheater00

    21 күн бұрын

    good warning, thanks

  • @darkurthe
    @darkurthe21 күн бұрын

    220 dollars... How much is that in metric money?

  • @censoredterminalautism4073
    @censoredterminalautism407321 күн бұрын

    Not seeing any bumps on f and j.

  • @napalmballwipes
    @napalmballwipes20 күн бұрын

    Think would slap on super heavy linears sounds good already tho

  • @5ll3x
    @5ll3x21 күн бұрын

    I was about to buy a Ornata V2 on sale.Maybe not

  • @sandorbence2067
    @sandorbence206721 күн бұрын

    Always wanted a good metal set but never could justify it. Not just the price (you can get regular plastic sets over a 100 dollars) but the limited compatibility options (need a set with 1U modifiers), and the heavy keycaps are somewhat of a setback when most of the key switches are too light anyway with the regular weighing keycaps.

  • @mr6291
    @mr629115 күн бұрын

    As someone who purchased these and the tsangan upgrade (7u spacebar), the stems are terrible. Unless they super cherry-picked them for you, or I got the worst version out of all of them, they fall out just by breathing on them (okay, turning the board upside down, pressing too quickly on them, etc). Their recommended method of tightening the stems (using a metal screwdriver and bracing from an inner corner) lead to breaking a few stemsand me getting free replacements because of this. Honestly, I used as little force as was physically possible due to this fear but it still happened. The snapped stems revealed how porous the metal is under the coating. They sit in my closet, collecting dust. A damn shame.

  • @jacksonhall3151
    @jacksonhall315121 күн бұрын

    it would be cool to try these on Model F Labs Beamspring keyboard

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    Hahaha now we're talking :D .

  • @braisedtoast9002
    @braisedtoast900221 күн бұрын

    What's the keyboard itself?

  • @thethriftyfawn

    @thethriftyfawn

    21 күн бұрын

    The first keyboard is the 8BitDo, the second keyboard is Keychron

  • @braisedtoast9002

    @braisedtoast9002

    21 күн бұрын

    @@thethriftyfawn thank you

  • @thethriftyfawn

    @thethriftyfawn

    21 күн бұрын

    @@braisedtoast9002 No problem! Thomas did full video reviews on each of those keyboards in recent months 🙂

  • @SeraphimKnight
    @SeraphimKnight21 күн бұрын

    They definitely sound good but the sound of the stab wire hitting the keycap with a ping would drive me crazy if I used them as a daily driver. That and the price tag on metal keycap sets, oof... GMK is already kinda preposterous paying double that for metal is rough.

  • @an2qzavok
    @an2qzavok20 күн бұрын

    Copper or silver would be a good choice due to their antiseptic properties

  • @cheater00
    @cheater0021 күн бұрын

    pretty sure the coating is cerakote

  • @ramen6236
    @ramen623618 күн бұрын

    Looks like arial rounded mt bold

  • @bewilderbeestie
    @bewilderbeestie21 күн бұрын

    Those sound amazing, but... how can you make a range of metal keycaps in different colours and _not_ do a brushed stainless steel version? The closest Awekeys has is silver, except it's chrome silver and just looks wrong. Of course, given the incredible price I wouldn't get them anyway, but it's the principle, dammit.

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    I think these are plated over zamak, brushed steel wouldn't work bery well over that, I think.

  • @NEEDbacon

    @NEEDbacon

    21 күн бұрын

    @@Chyrosran22 Zamak huh? That's the same stuff they use for Hot Wheels. And having fallen down custom Hot Wheels rabbit hole some years back, I know you can get some decent looking "Stainless" look from it. And if they are indeed using just some clear coating on the caps, it wouldn't be any less durable.

  • @SuryanIsaac
    @SuryanIsaac21 күн бұрын

    never knew you were a nanomaterials chemist, do you work in catalysis or something?

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    Yes, that is the main theme of the group I work in. I did my PhD in heterobimetallic heterogeneous catalysis.

  • @hyperturbotechnomike
    @hyperturbotechnomike21 күн бұрын

    They sadly don't have international layout options for some reasons. *sad äöü€ noises*

  • @TheLukemcdaniel
    @TheLukemcdaniel21 күн бұрын

    If it's not 120% pure marketing bs, the "nano" coating might be some oliophobic and/or hydrophobic to keep them cleaner longer? If that were case tho, that's a pretty good selling point to cover up with "I don't know"...

  • @CaveyMoth
    @CaveyMoth21 күн бұрын

    I want to build an aluminum keyboard with an aluminum plate that has raised edges that come into contact with the keycaps at the bottom of the keypress, leading to a crisp metal to metal contact.

  • @losbergs2
    @losbergs221 күн бұрын

    i wonder what he thinks of the sketch controversy

  • @arutezza
    @arutezza20 күн бұрын

    200$ aint bad considering how expensive some of the GMK sets are, that are just plastic that doesnt sound good

  • @impointr
    @impointr21 күн бұрын

    That spacebar is amazing but the rest is just... Meh. I'll definitely keep using GMK and KKB ABS caps in my builds lol

  • @SpiceFox
    @SpiceFox21 күн бұрын

    Those keys are large and in charge.

  • @Jones5121
    @Jones512119 күн бұрын

    5:51 it's a tf2 keyboard😂

  • @Stackali
    @Stackali21 күн бұрын

    maybe the will learn like the ceramic key maker and just glue in a plastic stem.

  • @Atilolzz
    @Atilolzz21 күн бұрын

    Man I would love those keycaps! But as a gamer, the r e i n g keycaps would smudge immediately #JustGamerThings

  • @alpacamale2909
    @alpacamale290921 күн бұрын

    why is he so passionate about letter positioning? Top center makes more sense for shine-through keycaps.

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    Only because of the technical limitations of the MX platform.

  • @alpacamale2909

    @alpacamale2909

    21 күн бұрын

    @@Chyrosran22 ROG switches allow Leds in the center. Too bad those keyboards suck.

  • @Chyrosran22

    @Chyrosran22

    21 күн бұрын

    ​@alpacamale2909 Montereys allow top left, and those are better than anything produced today :D . Anyway I'd take good lettering over RGB backlights any day of the week, myself.

  • @rohitdoestech
    @rohitdoestech21 күн бұрын

    clickies sound way better and are very thocky imo

  • @BigDrewski1000
    @BigDrewski100021 күн бұрын

    Never really been a fan of metal keycaps. Yea, theyre durable as hell, but any legends on them tend to wear off pretty quickly.

  • @xaytana
    @xaytana21 күн бұрын

    The 'nano coating' probably isn't anything special. I would imagine this is how they're getting different finishes, glossy and matte, on the same base keycap, layered coating would also fill the laser ablated legends, plus acting as a longevity coating, easy cleaning, finger oil friendly, etc.; essentially what polycrylic or lacquer is to woodworking. It's probably either an aerosolized coating or a liquid self-leveling application. At least that's how I would personally go about this, considering humans are very grungy creatures that're nothing but a machine for creating paste out of secreted oils and dead skin cells, it gets even worse once the cheetos dust gets involved, having a proper finish that easily just wipes off is the way to go, even on metal surfaces that see high touch use. A finish like this would also keep the original polish and finishing of the metal itself, not to mention these kinds of finishes can be quite durable long-term, and be fairly neutral to oils and sweat. Personally, I can see the stem mount being problematic, especially if these are molded and not machined, the latter having much tighter tolerances and especially across hundreds of sets. Personally I wouldn't go for this approach anyways, mostly due to metal on plastic, I'd rather see a plastic stem as an insert that a metal shell goes on top of; it might affect the sound profile slightly, but it's objectively a better solution from basically every aspect. I see this kind of approach as an endgame novelty where you're not likely to ever mess with the switches or caps on a board again, not your typical general use set where you can pop the caps on and off at will with no foreseeable downsides; again, metal on plastic is a nasty combination, especially if care isn't taken to make the metal component as blunt and smooth as possible with a loose but not wobbly fit. Hence why a molded-in or epoxied-in plastic slug for the stem makes more sense long-term. And speaking of lacquer, from the analogous example earlier, I'd love for someone to make a set of true to form decorative lacquerware keycaps. Lacquerware is one of the few things that I outright collect.

  • @BeansEnjoyer911
    @BeansEnjoyer9118 күн бұрын

    your channel doesnt support tips (Thanks)?

  • @MegaRotors
    @MegaRotors20 күн бұрын

    thanks i actually hate it

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