Avengers: Disassembled - Atop the Fourth Wall
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Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this Patreon-sponsored episode, Linkara looks at the end of the original Avengers run!
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Originally released June 25th, 2024
ORIGINAL DESCRIPTION: The best way to end your long-running series before a relaunch is to piss off all your fans, right?
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Linkara's wholly justified rants about pointless character deaths has inspired me to remind everyone that Bill Foster is still dead.
@GabyGeorge1996
20 күн бұрын
Who’s Bill Foster?
@barryfraser831
20 күн бұрын
@@GabyGeorge1996 Goliath, Loved Black Character killed during Civil War.
@GenericProtagonist118
20 күн бұрын
Oh sh*t really?
@karaoconnoraliasraidra
20 күн бұрын
~sees that Tom Brevoort is an editor~ Well, that explains some things… (For those who don’t know, he’s the guy who recently claimed that continuity & canon were meaningless and the only thing that mattered was storytelling. That might be okay for one-shots, but when it comes to a continuing series why should we care about a story if it’s not going to mean anything or have any impact on anything?) A year or two ago I got the West Coast Avengers: Darker Than Scarlet TPB and it’s a much better storyline. Edit- Sorry, I meant to post this comment elsewhere. 😅
@YourUncleBenis
20 күн бұрын
Which is weird, given how he has both a mainline MCU counterpart, AND a What-If version or two with powers.
Wanda Maximoff is Jewish and Romani. She would not make illusions of Nazis as a defense mechanism
@DeathofInk
19 күн бұрын
And the MCU had her actually working with Nazis for a time. No I do not think changing her nationality to a fake one lessens how gross of a decision that was.
@Rabbitlord108
19 күн бұрын
This reminds me. Speaking of Nazis. Still want Marvel to retcon Hydra Cap into being a reborn Ultimate Captain America. By bringing him back & having him scream "DO YOU THINK THIS LETTER ON MY HEAD STANDS FOR FRANCE?"
@Cdr2002
19 күн бұрын
@@Rabbitlord108 I think the France thing can stay a meme for us and doesn’t need to be in a comic again
@ellnats
19 күн бұрын
that'd be like a black superhero using the KKK as a theme, its just utterly offensively stupid as all hell
@Rabbitlord108
19 күн бұрын
@@Cdr2002 Understandable
The Spectacular Spider-Man comment made me realize a "Top Worst Retcons Caused by Movies" would make for a hell of a list episode.
@DinoDave150
19 күн бұрын
That and retconning Wanda and Pietro so they're not Magneto's kids.
@jadenbryant9283
19 күн бұрын
@@DinoDave150 have they reverted.that.
@amiablereaper
19 күн бұрын
@@jadenbryant9283GOOD.
@ricknuzzy
19 күн бұрын
@jadenbryant9283 Been ten years since AXIS and as far as I know, that retcon is still in effect. Quicksilver is still her brother, though. Can't retcon that creepy vibe. ROLL TIDE!
@Tube23287
18 күн бұрын
@@jadenbryant9283 No, or at least not yet. But for what it's worth, I think it's only a matter of time. The comics still basically treat him as their father anyway (and the recent Scarlet Witch series had a whole issue dedicated to Wanda's sisterly relationship with Polaris). And the whole reason that was done was because Ike Perlmutter was being a little bitch about Fox owning the movie rights to mutants, and was trying to "phase them out." But since the Disney/Fox merger, Marvel has the rights again. Like I said, they still treat Magneto as their dad, so all it takes is a bit of a retcon. Only potential issue is that, according to the Scarlet Witch miniseries by James Robinson, the twins' mother was killed by their father, who has not been revealed (probably so it could be reverted back to Magneto). Although that one's easier to explain as him accidentally killing her when they were fighting a bad guy or something.
Okay, so I might have mentioned this to you on Twitter at some point, but here's the deal on Bendis and the Avengers. I started working for Marvel as part of their Official Handbook team around the same time New Avengers was in its first arc. For the larger part of the ten years I worked with them, our team was sent issue scripts for pretty much everything, even before the artists started working on them - part of this was to glean information for any of our own upcoming books to keep them timely, but we also served to give feedback to editors/writers on continuity hiccups we found; most of the time, these were appreciated and fixed by the writers/editors prior to publication, sometimes they were ignored for various reasons. But the only writer whose scripts we were EXPLICITLY told we could never ever ever send Notes/Corrections back about? Bendis.
@marcovalenzuela5602
20 күн бұрын
That makes a lot of sense, especially when you consider that bendis was a rising star at Marvel at the time
@BodySprayMan
20 күн бұрын
I think I understand a lot of why his books turned out the way they did.
@wikiuser92
20 күн бұрын
Nobody should be above that kind of code.
@GabyGeorge1996
20 күн бұрын
Okay, but why?
@DrMintster
20 күн бұрын
So was Bendis just a primadonna about his own work? Or did higher ups at Marvel not want anything to "stand in the way of his grand vision" or whatever?
Captain America: "Why have you all come here?" Moon Knight: "Well, I was hunting Dracula when-"
@stevenhedge2850
19 күн бұрын
Was moon knight even a avenger at all by this point
@Pinkanator
19 күн бұрын
@@stevenhedge2850 West Coast Avenger, he's very happy whenever he gets to bring that up.
@mumbo_fuze2484
19 күн бұрын
Moon Knight: WHERE'S MY GOD DAMN MONEY?!
@notavailable2590
19 күн бұрын
“So he was running away from you when he died. He was travelling, at night?” *sigh* “I’ll get my cape.”
@TF2Fan101
17 күн бұрын
“I just mainly showed up so I could use my random BS.”
Tony Stark Voice: I wanted Linkara to use the drunk voice again, but not like this. Linkara: NOT LIKE THIS!
19 күн бұрын
Not at all, please. It was never funny.
@andrewbarone3781
19 күн бұрын
Buzzkill
Ya know, Spider-Man's 500th issue saw him stop Dormammu from conquering the Earth and culminated in Dr. Strange granting him one last talk with Uncle Ben, who told him how proud he his of Peter (in a sequence drawn by John Romita Sr. RIP to a legend). Also, what makes this entire storyline funny (and facepalming) in retrospect? The reason guys like Vision and Ant-Man were killed off is because Marvel wanted to stack the Avengers with characters who were either in a movie (Spider-Man and Wolverine), or had projects in the works (Captain America and Iron Man). The ones who were killed were assumed would never be popular enough to be in the films. Whoops.
@Vesperitis
19 күн бұрын
I adore that 500th issue. It wasn't just about Spidey stopping Dormammu. It was about Spidey being sent in time and having to fight his way back to the present, one villain at a time, basically reliving his entire career, all the violence, all the tragedy, all the chaos, and he keeps fighting until he returns to the present and saves the day, because that's what Spider-Man does. His reward is getting to talk to Uncle Ben for 5 minutes, and Peter telling his uncle that he's happy. THAT'S a milestone issue.
@stevenhedge2850
19 күн бұрын
That’s even funnier since Hawkeye is also a character they killed off albeit more temporairly
I love that the example you use for why continuity is important is "If a character blows up and then comes back" because years later in Civil War 2, Bendis had Doc Samson just show up, back from the dead, and there is zero explanation for it.
@superthorc6894
17 күн бұрын
Until Immortal Hulk but that’s just Ewing being awesome
@FixTheWi-Fi
4 күн бұрын
Fancy seeing you here, Professor. "When's the next History of Street Fighter?"
You know, Dr. Doom eventually being responsible for this mess makes it kinda funny that the actual disassemblement started with Tony ranting towards a Latverian diplomat.
@Wanttowrite
19 күн бұрын
I don't know a lot about Doom; having not read much of FF, but from my understanding of both his background and his relationship with his goddaughter, I could completely believe he would help a Romani woman get revenge for the loss of her children. If doing so also helped him remove a powerful group from interfering with his plans, it would be even better.
19 күн бұрын
@@Wanttowriteno, that's not why. He just wanted power and she was the key to it (some kind of 'ultimate power reservoir at the heart of all things' type deal ) Ethnicity means nothing to him.
@fluidthought42
19 күн бұрын
I mean you say that, but he gave Red Skull as much of a stink eye as Magneto did.
@Wanttowrite
19 күн бұрын
If I'm understanding you right, they had a built-in excuse that they could've used, and they went with it was because he's evil and has a lust for power?
@fluidthought42
18 күн бұрын
@@Wanttowrite I mean it is Doom. Although I would've preferred if he at least said it if not earnestly then as a ploy to play on Wanda's mindset.
"No such thing as Chaos Magic." When Dr. Strange lost his connection to his regular sources of power in the late 1990s, he had to replace them with Catastrophe/Chaos Magic. This is another example of Bendis not doing research, just like when he made that ridiculous Inhumans origin for the Beyonder because he didn't bother looking to see if his origin had been established beforehand.
@crapshot321
19 күн бұрын
That is because Bendis has this bad habit of ignoring continuity in pursuit of a story _he_ likes to write. Let him do original work, or give him firm limits, and he is fine as a writer.
@gregcourtney751
19 күн бұрын
@crapshot321 yeah his crime based creator owned books are better. For one his infamous dialogue approach works better for them, his early noirish work especially. His more recent Pearl series, about an Asian American tattoo artist and her dealings with the yakuza, both american and main branches, is good imo. Really he's like frank Miller in some ways. Creative choices like each writers unique dialogue worked best earlier on but were used too often and in stories they don't fit in later.
@Goldfire-tt3dv
17 күн бұрын
@@crapshot321 "hey, if Sue and Johnny weren't actually related by blood, I'd have this awesome story I would like to write..."
@karaoconnoraliasraidra
17 күн бұрын
@@Goldfire-tt3dv Did you mean Sue and Johnny?
@Goldfire-tt3dv
17 күн бұрын
@@karaoconnoraliasraidra Whoops, my bad. Fixed. Thanks!
I love the little panel at the end of the page where everyone explains to Dr. Strange the history of Wanda & her two kids, and Dr. Strange's reaction is essentially "Dudes! *points to self* I'm a literal master of magics... and NONE of you thought to contact me to help you guys and/or Wanda out with any of this?!".
@williamgreci8219
19 күн бұрын
Come to think of it, does anyone know what Dr. Strange was up to around the time this happened?
@kyuven
19 күн бұрын
Mishandling doctor strange is a marvel tradition at this point. Even the MCU isn't immune. The entire No Way Home plot happens because Dr. Steven Strange, a neurosurgeon, doesn't have a pre-op (spell) consultation with Peter Parker.
@williamgreci8219
19 күн бұрын
@@kyuven Got it.
@maakujiten3812
19 күн бұрын
Dr. Strange knew about Wanda's kids. At a check up while she was pregnant, he told her that her baby (this was before she had twins) was completely fine and real. That there would be no side-effects whatsoever from the magic she used.
@Obscusion2
19 күн бұрын
@@maakujiten3812 Yes, but the comic also has a panel (which Linkara referenced) where Strange literally asks all of the Avengers why no one bothered to contact him when Wanda was going through her whole "My children are just a construct of my magic & Mephisto!" crisis. It's not that he didn't know about the kids, but rather it's why no one contacted the Sorcerer Supreme during a major magic-related crisis involving the very same kids he delivered.
This storyline really shows off Bendis's weaknesses as a writer. He's good at writing down to earth street level heroes, but when he's put in charge of massive events with a large cast of characters he fumbles the ball more often than not. It also shows that he hates Hawkeye for no reason
@thatonea-hole
20 күн бұрын
Yeah, Bendis should have just stuck to Ultimate Spiderman
@kingofthegundam7974
19 күн бұрын
I don't think its that, considering his run on Superman was particularly good during the cosmic portions compared to the street level stuff. I think he suffers from the same thing Geoff johns does where he's good with the characters he has passion for (such as Luke Cage or Jessica Jones), whereas once he starts touching anybody else he doesn't pull his A Game at all.
@zemox2534
19 күн бұрын
Bendis was terrible on the Superman books. He ruined Jon Kent as a character and Screwed up the marriage of Lois and Clark.
@arashimiyazawa8165
19 күн бұрын
He writes an excellent Spider-Man. He ONLY writes an excellent Spider-Man. Every character he writes talks like Spider-Man.
@eamonndeane587
19 күн бұрын
@@arashimiyazawa8165Alias and His Daredevil run hold up. Not much else from his portfolio stands to scrutiny.
I love when the cats appear in corner. I can hear them saying “Hoomin! I sense you need emotional support. The comic is bad, but I am fluffy.”
@metalsonic8888
19 күн бұрын
The cats aren't saying that, they aren't saying anything. This seems like a very severe psychological condition and I would see a doctor about it asap
@Wright805
19 күн бұрын
@@metalsonic8888 You do know what speaking figuratively is, don't you?
@metalsonic8888
19 күн бұрын
@@Wright805 I hate to break this to you, but the cats aren't speaking figuratively either man. They aren't speaking at all
@CuppaLLX
18 күн бұрын
@@metalsonic8888 a strange doctor or a fate doctor
@djwilson1993
15 күн бұрын
@@metalsonic8888you must be fun at parties 🙄
The difference between a good writer and a bad one is that a good writer changes the story to fit the character, while a bad writer changes the character to fit the story.
"Hulk feels comic book reviewer's pain, Hulk goes bar to get drunk!"
@thatonea-hole
20 күн бұрын
"Hulk do reunion for defenders. Hulk go find Hercules"
@Rabbitlord108
20 күн бұрын
And speaking of superheroes having kids. It's funny to remember that Bruce Banner's son Skaar (The one he had with his late wife Caiera) is still alive and kicking as of me posting this reply.
@thatonea-hole
20 күн бұрын
@@Rabbitlord108 Huh, weird.
@angrybrony
19 күн бұрын
@@thatonea-hole Jessica drew the spider women had a kid for a while till they decided "eh fuck it" and turned him older and evil in the last run I read a few months ago
@Rabbitlord108
19 күн бұрын
@@angrybrony WHAT! That's insane.
Between how hes treated here, civil war 2, Ultimate End, and the new Avengers run, I'm convinced Bendis hates Hawkeye.
@thegreatstoneddragon9432
19 күн бұрын
I feel like no one likes Hawkeye. Hell, even snow plows don't like Hawkeye. I'm at least glad he had a decent miniseries.
@comicking428
19 күн бұрын
@@thegreatstoneddragon9432 I mean, Hawkeye really wasn't hated by the public, more just dunked on for being on a superhero team with no powers (despite Batman and Black Widow existing) and then people being whiny that Endgame killed Black Widow instead of him.
@zemox2534
19 күн бұрын
Hawkeye Is criminally underappreciated and deserves respect.
@andrewbarone3781
19 күн бұрын
@@thegreatstoneddragon9432 Dude.....not funny about the snowplows.
@Goldfire-tt3dv
17 күн бұрын
@@thegreatstoneddragon9432 Kurt Busiek likes Hawkeye. He had him be the one who got Justice and Firestar on the team during his Avengers run (even going so far as to offer them his spot because he's such a nice guy!), and later had him become the new leader of the Thunderbolts. Busiek's Hawkeye is the guy who always recognizes talent and genuine intent, and is willing to help those who want to become heroes.
Everytime I think about this comic, I remember a line from an interview Bendis did after, saying... "I also hope that when people read ‘Avengers Finale,’ they’ll see the love and care, which’ll help them appreciate the story and they’ll see it was done with the utmost love and respect." What about this was love and respect? The murder, abuse, sexism, demonizing mental illness, and so much more. Where was it? It's like how Identity Crisis was a "love letter" to the Silver Age.
@DarkKnightofAnime
19 күн бұрын
Bendis and Meltzer must’ve been in very odd places in their lives when they wrote these stories cause both Identity Crisis and Disassembled are the exact opposite of their intended purpose at least if what the writers’ say can be believed
@maxxjapan619
19 күн бұрын
So what you're saying is Linkara missed the perfect chance to play the "They just... didn't... care..." clip?
@mattyoung4990
19 күн бұрын
At least identity crisis is ok at best this is crap the only good thing to come from this is house of m
@crapshot321
19 күн бұрын
Even though if one thinks of it, Identity Crisis seemed to be set more in the Bronze Age of comics.
@zemox2534
19 күн бұрын
@maxxjapan619 THEY JUST DID NOT CARE!
You know something is going to be bad when Linkara does his intro holding his head in pain. Oh boy.
@Gaia_BentosZX5
15 күн бұрын
Especially when it's the infamous comic that basically KILLED Marvel Comics. In a way, Vision isn't joking: The lethal interaction of a lack of variety and monopolistic distribution system started HERE. If you have three major publishers to blame for the current media hellscape, it's Marvel, DC, and Archie.
"Spider-Man mutates into a spider-like creature, and gives birth to himself, so that he can have organic web-shooters like the Sam Raimi Spider-Man." What!?
@ghostrouxinol6169
20 күн бұрын
Still not as worst M.J. dies from cancer because Spider-man's sperm is radioactive.
@TevyaSmolka
20 күн бұрын
@@ghostrouxinol6169 yeah Spider-Man reign was a trainwreck that's somehow getting a sequel which i will never understand why that's a thing.
@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527
20 күн бұрын
Okay what the fuck?
@TevyaSmolka
20 күн бұрын
@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 I wished I was joking but nope that storyline is getting a sequel.
@ghostrouxinol6169
20 күн бұрын
@@TevyaSmolka Sometimes i wish writers had more respect for characters.
Linkara, let me break it down for you. *starts dancing*
@andrewollmann304
15 күн бұрын
Will we also have to stop, collaborate, and listen.
@Rabbitlord108
13 күн бұрын
No. I don't think he finds being rickrolled in 2024 funny.
@SidheKnight
13 күн бұрын
Oh but is funny.. especially since nobody expects it anymore.
@CalvinChikelue
8 күн бұрын
@andrewollmann304 Before that however, it seems my good friend Ice is back from his hiatus with another one of his inventions which to me seems brand new
@casperchristiansen2458
7 күн бұрын
Electric Boogalo-esque dancing so hard you bring back dead characters to life like in the hospital scene from "Electric Boogaloo".
Linkara, if I ever meet you in person... I will draw you a picture of Danny Chase holding a Bulbasaur plush in his arms. I'll even make sure it's fully coloured and everything.
@jadenbryant9283
4 күн бұрын
And I would persoanlly recommend young justice season 3 i think.
See, this is why I love writers like Al Ewing. He will dive deep through decades of continuity (something that should be easier now than ever with the internet as a tool), and no matter how obscure, he will make sure to reference it and that it makes sense. And if something on that continuity contradicts what he has planned, he won't ignore it. He will use it to the advantage of the story.
@gentlemanlygeeky4088
20 күн бұрын
Are you enjoying Al’s Immortal Thor?
@louisduarte8763
19 күн бұрын
Does Dan Slott do that, too?
@DeathofInk
19 күн бұрын
@@louisduarte8763 Hardly. Man does whatever he wants and will get petty if something is happening that would clash with his own plans. Like retconing Franklin's mutant nature just to stop Hickman using him for his much more exciting X-Men plans. Slott hates sharing apparently. 🙄
@davidj.medinag.6524
19 күн бұрын
@@louisduarte8763 Nah, Dan Slott at best would make a reference to it to flex his knowledgea and then proceed to do whatever the hell he wants lol.
@JohnnyElRed
19 күн бұрын
@@gentlemanlygeeky4088 Haven't been reading it. But I loved his Immortal Hulk.
This isn't peak "writing 616 characters like their Ultimate counterparts" that's still Civil War, but damn it's a close #2.
@Rabbitlord108
13 күн бұрын
All it's missing is a bit of cannibalism (I know Hulk couldn't do it since they launched him into space)
Me after hearing about the Dr Doom part, "Even Doom doesn't understand why Scarlet Witch came to him for help. He's just rolling with it right now."
@billtenth5805
18 күн бұрын
Some days Doom spends hours crafting the most superb, multi-step, multi-faceted plan to conquer the world; other days, something capable of causing Doom's enemies harm will just randomly show up to say, "hi," and Doom has to strike while the iron is hot.
@karaoconnoraliasraidra
17 күн бұрын
There was an issue of Captain America in which it seemed Bucky had returned, but it was actually a plot by M.O.D.O.K. The “Bucky” was actually a robot made by Dr. Doom for M.O.D.O.K. to use in his plan. How did he get Doom to make it? He challenged him to. He issued the challenge, causing him to ask, “You think that I would fail?” and make the exact robot he wanted. M.O.D.O.K. played Doom like a fiddle.
@mikegates8993
17 күн бұрын
@@karaoconnoraliasraidra Sounds like Peter should've said that to him during One More Day.
"Do you think I've been too nice lately?" Is incredible after following you for decade +
@MichaelHeide
19 күн бұрын
Not wrong though. The Patreon sponsored reviews, while a welcome breath of fresh air, do lack the bite of Linkara's earlier episodes.
@retrofan93
19 күн бұрын
@@MichaelHeide while I do like the earlier episodes a bit more as well, and have learned to try and make my own opinion on certain pieces of media that he covers, I also don't blame him for becoming nicer over the past decade. As entertaining as the anger can be, that shit has to take a toll on your mental state.
@MichaelHeide
19 күн бұрын
@@retrofan93 Oh, you've got to mix things up every now and then.
@Goldfire-tt3dv
17 күн бұрын
@@MichaelHeideSieh an, dich gibt's auch noch? I agree, angry Linkara is more entertaining, though I do like him delving into good material too every once in a while. Would love to see him cover Kurt Busiek's Astro City at some point, the ultimate superhero homage series. Though I'd also like to see him review the comics I sent him over a decade ago - namely the three-part "Zero Hour" tie-in crossover between all three Justice League titles at the time, "Return of the Hero" (aka the debut of Triumph), as well as the 1990s German comic "Helden", which had an official English-language print release. Both are bad and present a lot of opportunities to make fun of them. "Helden" was later continued online... barely. There's like two new issues that were published since the title's original cancellation, even though the website promises at least four more issues. Pfffft.
There’s a good idea in here somewhere. A fun character concept. What if the avengers had never beaten the odds? She-hulk succumbs to more hulk-like tendencies, Tony’s alcoholism reasserts itself, vision never becomes anything more than a new body for ultron… it’s interesting. You could get something out of that. Like a fight against all the deaths they managed to cheat. Heck, it even works with scarlet witch’s motivation. She didn’t get her happy ending, so no one else can either.
@angrybrony
19 күн бұрын
@@Fluffkitscripts so kinda like that dark universe thing DC had?
@alexandrefrauches132
19 күн бұрын
You summed up most this era of Marvel (2000 to 2010). All this events (disassemble, civil war, secret invasion and others) are all great ideas, with major story potential, but sadly, most of them failed bc of poor retcons, bad writting and awful representation of characters, with the focus being more on shock moments than good story. The fact that some of those stories were used in adaptations (civil war and some elements of dissamble/house of m in the MCU/ Secret Invasion in Avengers EMH) and were better than the source material shows how the problem with those comics was the writting then the concepts.
@Wanttowrite
19 күн бұрын
@alexandrefrauches132 I once saw a meme that compared adaptations as 'Oh God, they changed it!' vs 'Thank God, they changed it!' A lot of Marvel was in that second category.
@fluidthought42
19 күн бұрын
@@alexandrefrauches132 I mean even outside of Avengers stuff, technically lots of more modern adaptations of Spider-Man stuff have included plot points from both Clone Wars and One More Day, and _not_ suck! It's kinda amazing when you think about it.
@karaoconnoraliasraidra
17 күн бұрын
Talking about Scarlet Witch and possibilities reminds me of that scene near the end of the Darker Than Scarlet storyline in which glimpses of other realities/timelines are seen. Some are positive and some aren’t. For instance, one reality has Hank Pym’s first wife miraculously surviving while another has Pietro and Wanda getting burned at the stake.
Well at least we got Young Avengers out of this storyline. And a relaunch that served as inspiration for Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. Hey gotta stay optimistic, right?
@zemox2534
19 күн бұрын
Still no excuse for Bendis ruining the Avengers
@daelen.cclark
19 күн бұрын
Exactly! Comics are tricky to stay optimistic over, but not impossible.
Spidermans rebirth and origin of organic web shooters feels very Lovecraftian
@dastvan8002
20 күн бұрын
Well if my knowledge of that particular event is up to scratch, you're not far off.
@thatonea-hole
20 күн бұрын
@dastvan8002 I know there's a what-if issue about the story where Venom basically takes over Peter's body & goes on to make a resurrected Gwen Stacy/Carnage hybrid
@Rabbitlord108
20 күн бұрын
Funny how Alan Moore (Who did stuff for DC. Including For The Man Who Has Everything. A story that was adapted for an episode of Justice League Unlimited) did a Lovecraft based story with Neonomicon. AKA the one with fish rape.
@stevenhedge2850
19 күн бұрын
@@dastvan8002 it’s where Morlun from the spider verse comics came from so you’re not wrong
15:30 My introduction to Hank Pym was in Earth Mightiest Heroes cartoon, which is much more interesting and of course, not problematic as comic version. But its also why i love this moment when Hank arrives and sees injured Wasp being cradled by Sam. There is none of that angry boyfriend from Ultimates personality. Hank starting to pick up Sam, and just telling him "Hold her steady, Sam" conveys so much trust and maturity from Hank. He trusts Sam to keep her safe, and he uses his powers to get to hospital as soon as possible. This whole comic may be awful, but i love this moment.
That rant about continuty errors and when they are acceptable or not was glorious.
Hawkeye being unable to ditch his quivers when they catch fire is so dumb. Especially considering the rucksack I used in basic training a decade ago had quick release tabs on the shoulder straps, allowing you to immediately drop the pack off your back to engage in combat.
@robinmohamedally7587
15 күн бұрын
also, he's done that exact thing before, in at least one previous story. Someone at CBR linked the panels from the old story where he almost instantly took off his quiver and hurled it when it caught on fire
17:52 I get it Clint you’ve had a terrible horrible no good very bad day now shut the fuck up and let’s see if we can salvage it. Also insert Jokers One Bad Day joke here if you got one.
@tfmaster96
19 күн бұрын
joker to clint: jeeze, dude, even *I* think you're overdoing it with the "one bad day" spiel.
Man, am I glad Jack of Hearts is in the excellent new She-Hulk run. He and She-Hulk have had a great little romance together.
19 күн бұрын
Yeah? Is it good? Maybe look into that then
@stelmaria8991
13 күн бұрын
It's really fun, definitely worth checking out to see if you're into it.
12:49 Cap “Hey Sam. On your left.” “Gives him the bird.”
Cap's "dull surprise" at Scott's death reminds me of a Robot Chicken skit involving going to a funeral for a superhero
Hearing how Marvel pulled a Chrono Trigger on Scott Lang makes me wish I was playing _that_ game instead right now.
@eamonndeane587
17 күн бұрын
Also RIP Akira Toriyama, the Character designer for that game.
Hoo Boy, it's THIS storyline. The one that began Marvel's current event mania. Yes, DO IT, Linkara! Release your anger! Let the HATE flow through you!
@wikiuser92
20 күн бұрын
Strike the comic down with all your hatred!
@thatonea-hole
20 күн бұрын
@@wikiuser92 *USE THE POWER OF THE DARK-SIDE!!*
@anarchomando7707
19 күн бұрын
@@thatonea-holeWE HAVE THE. CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES!
What gets me about stories like this is it's not difficult to make a version of this story that doesn't villainize Wanda for having a mental breakdown exacerbated by her incredible power. You mentioned a bunch of other villains and scenarios where a bad guy gets in the heroes's heads. Imagine someone screwing with Wanda's awareness of reality to goad her into a breakdown or something. Or something something, long term effects of having her head messed with previously results in her powers going haywire.
@jadenbryant9283
19 күн бұрын
mayybe you could have used the villain nightmare to do all of it.
@peggyliepmann5248
18 күн бұрын
@@jadenbryant9283 I mean, swing a cat in the Marvel universe, there's a villain that could do the trick here. Plenty of options.
@christopherbennett5858
17 күн бұрын
Honestly, if you wanted to keep the magic thing, Selene would be a very interesting one to use. I mean, she’s a 17,000 plus year old, immortal entity who was around in Conan times. Give her a hot woman strong enough to kill her and she’ll hound her to the ends of the earth,
@robinmohamedally7587
15 күн бұрын
@@jadenbryant9283 or D'Spayre
Honestly, your review of Avengers: Disassembled has me further convinced that, for all its issues, the MCU has handled Wanda going evil FAR better than the comics.
@gameguy20100
10 күн бұрын
Yeah, the MCU has it's lame moments and weird stuff. But when it's good it's REALLY good.
It's worth pointing out that as part of the Krakoa era of X-Men, Magneto accepted Wanda as his daughter again and Wanda did some Weird Magic Stuff to basically "fix" her mind. Which is pretty handwavey on that latter point but at least now we can have Scarlet Witch stories that aren't "Wanda Be Crazy".
@crapshot321
19 күн бұрын
Another recon to fix the mess that was "Avengers Disassembled".
@christopherbennett5858
17 күн бұрын
Honestly, I really liked that Trial of Magneto story and Xfactor. Leah Williams is one of the few writers that actually seemed to know what she was doing when depicting a bipolar episode from Polaris. I know many people didn’t like her X-terminators book for a certain page but I found that Endearing Grindhouse theatre aspect fun.
One thing I don't like about this era for the Scarlet Witch is how underutilised Vision was. He was the father of her children and had a past relationship with her, you would think he would have a role to play in this comic, House of M and Children's Crusade? Instead they put him in a box.
@stevenhedge2850
19 күн бұрын
at this point, he was just vision II, and was part of the young avengers. I liked Vision 2
@rixarts14
19 күн бұрын
@@stevenhedge2850 Jonas was only apart of Children's Crusade. My point being that any subplot connecting to Billy and Tommy, Vision is no where around from what I see.
@karaoconnoraliasraidra
17 күн бұрын
@@rixarts14 Dang, they really made Vision a deadbeat dad!
@christopherb501
17 күн бұрын
Ditto the complete absence of even a MENTION of him in Multiverse of Madness.
@christopherb501
17 күн бұрын
Ditto Multiverse of Madness
08:22 That comment from Tony is funny considering Dr. Doom has his own long-running amusement park ride at Universal Studios.
Doctor Strange: Chaos magic does not exist!!! Wanda: *Tilts head* What retcon?
@christopherbennett5858
17 күн бұрын
Sadly, it’s weirdly in character for Doctor Strange to declare the magic of Romani women isn’t real. Look at the issue which had Amanda Sefton and Margali.
i've noticed that is a trope for bad comics, specially when is Crossovers: Characters suddenly loosing their mind to complain in the middle of everyone else trying to think what's going on; most importantly, Characters who are usually the one who would go "hold on, let's take a deep breath & think What just happen"
@thetruedryer
19 күн бұрын
Well yeah. It's a crutch for weak writers. If you understand your characters then you don't need magic to destabilize their minds. You just place them in stressful situations and let the person quirks of each character cause additional tension.
I don’t remember if this came before or after or even during DC’s Identity Crisis, but it seems as if both companies were competing in the superhero misery porn contest.
@koneheadcokehead4981
20 күн бұрын
Actually this storyline began two months after Identity Crisis had already start and lasted one month longer than Identity Crisis did Identity Crisis started in June 2004 and ended in December 2004 and Disassembled started in August 2004 and lasted till January 2005
The worst thing is, not only had she dealt with her kids before, but the entire 'Wanda goes evil/crazy' storyline had been done before back in about Avengers West Coast 44 - 50, and it also dealt with the full extent of her powers. I loved your rant about Wanda's character assassination, because it's how I've always felt about Hank Pym. Everyone knows and remembers that he hit Janet. I don't know if he ever pointed out that happened when Janet was caught spying on him, then put her hands on him after he'd asked to be left alone (giving a LOT of credence to Shooter's statement that it was supposed to have been an accident). What really bothers me is that Pym had two breakdowns (I think a third one was retconned later, to after Maria was disappeared) - both of them happened after Ultron screwed with his mind to erase his memories, but no one ever noticed that. While I tended to enjoy Bendis' stories, this is a perfect example of what was wrong with his writing - he never let things long established as fact interfere with his desire to tell a story (look at Age of Ultron which completely ignored years or precedence about how time travel works).
To be fair, Peter isn't wrong. If he ever dated a robot writers would probably use it to call him a loser and have characters constantly mock him for it then spend countless volumes building up their relationship, before making her dump him off-screen. Still inappropriate for him to snark there though.
I cried reading this book in a library. And not in a good way. I was devastated by the thought of the avengers being forever over in comic form.
I love how the patreon sponsored reviews go from great to god awful. P.S. I'm sorry, spiderman disassembled does WHAT!!!
@Jarakin
20 күн бұрын
There's two kinds of patrons. The ones that want to share something they honestly love, and the ones that want to light up the hot coals and watch someone dance.
@DarkKnightofAnime
20 күн бұрын
Look I love Sam Raimi’s spider-man films but even I gotta ask: “WTF!?” That is the most demented way you could do something like that
@justanotheranimeprofilepic
20 күн бұрын
@@DarkKnightofAnime since house of M was clearly in the works already we could've just had the organic webs be part of the universe change and for some alternate reality techno babble have it not revert back
@lordofuzkulak8308
20 күн бұрын
@@justanotheranimeprofilepicdon’t even need the technobabble justification really; the universe at the end of House of M is different to the one as it starts anyway (eg the wiping of most of the mutant population, Wanda and Vision’s kids being alive and teenagers, etc), so no need to explain one more minor change. 🤷🏻♂️
@Rabbitlord108
20 күн бұрын
@@Jarakin I initially wanted to request the Kamen Rider Zero One comic to see if its writer Brandon Easton (Who wrote Transformers Deviations which Linkarra had previously reviewed) could do something decent under different circumstances. But now I'd request Weapon Plus because of the fact that it features BRUTE FORCE! And I know Linkarra would LOVE to talk about another comic with them since he expressed disappointment in them not appearing again after Deadpool Bianual #1.
At the big rant about Wander, I will add this: You can get away with big continuity issues no matter how little sense they make; Linkara has mentioned in the Blue Skying Retrospective: Ted Kords death in Countdown to Infinite Crisis is hurt by the fact the way everyone treats Ted doesn't fit with the continuity; he had long since stopped being a jokey jokster type character, but everyone acts like he was a goofball yesterday, but the story does work because the character drama is strong and it ultimatley goes to a good place with future stories. The big issue with crap like this is it's a god awful story full of constant errors who's problems absolutley fail to make the story anything less then a crappy spit in the face that activley hurts other characters and stories.
What is such a bummer for me at this time was that Vision and Scarlet Witch were always my favorite characters within the Avengers. Volume 3 was VERY good to Wanda. Kurt Busiek and George Perez LOVED Wanda. They made her such a wonderful and truly powerful and intrically important to the Avengers. It just hurt that she was the culprit. Ironically, when Multiverse of Madness came out, it was the same weekend Perez passed away. I can't think of Perez or Scarlet Witch without thinking about the other.
@Vesperitis
19 күн бұрын
Wanda was so powerful she was a sort of trump card in the JLA/Avengers crossover, which was written by Busiek.
@arashimiyazawa8165
19 күн бұрын
Yeah, it was coming so soon after the incredible Busiek/Perez run that made this really hurt. The preceding Chuck Austen run did the series no favors either.
@avenger1340
19 күн бұрын
@@arashimiyazawa8165 Oh yeah that Austen run was awwwwwful after a pretty good Geoff Johns stint.
@eamonndeane587
17 күн бұрын
@arashimiyazawa8165 The short lived Geoff Johns Avengers run is also underrated.
@avenger1340
17 күн бұрын
@@eamonndeane587 yeah it is. Funny story about that. I went to a convention that Johns was at and brought my Avengers books with me to get signed. I told him how I really loved his stories and how much I was looking forward to what more he had and that's when he told me he signed the exclusive with DC. Womp womp.
Bendis is a destroyer so enamoured with the notion of making an earth-shattering change to a book that he never stops to consider the long term ramifications to that book. Disassembled/House of M/Decimation at Marvel and his entire run on Superman at DC.
@JamailvanWestering
20 күн бұрын
Except out of Dissassembled comes his great on New Avengers. House of M was great, Decimation is mostly Quasada to blame for. Since he wanted to reduce the mutant population
@angrybrony
20 күн бұрын
I will never forgive him for what civil war 2 did to carol and her reputation.
@jacobsedlack1173
20 күн бұрын
@@JamailvanWestering Yes but you can point to these things as the diminishing of the X-Men in their importance at Marvel even before all the contentions about the movie rights began.
@louisduarte8763
20 күн бұрын
Oh, he knows 1 long-term ramification: his continued employment.
@MoojinBoi
20 күн бұрын
@@angrybronyCarol has far and away bounced back from anything that happened there in universe, the only people who hate her are those who never are gonna give her a chance, meanwhile I'll never forgive Civil War 2 for making Tony so horrible, and for wasting the Inhumans, who many never fully recover in any media really
"The Avengers and The Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day" 😅 Iykyk
An AT4W and an AVGN episode on the same day within minutes of each other. Nice. Nicer than the story at least.
@farmerproductions9869
20 күн бұрын
Decisions on what to what first….
@thatonea-hole
20 күн бұрын
@@farmerproductions9869 Which to watch first?
Hearing how they gave Peter the organic webbing made me want to both laugh and put my face to my palms. That is simultaneously one of the funniest and stupidest choices I think I have ever heard.
@monstercombo007
20 күн бұрын
Why not simply say that the spider powers evolved and gave him the organic web shooters instead of....whatever that was?
@TevyaSmolka
20 күн бұрын
@@monstercombo007good question I wonder about that as well.
@zangetsu134
20 күн бұрын
The worst part is the give time the organics TWICE WITH TWO DIFFERENT REASONS HOW HE GOT THE.
@wikiuser92
20 күн бұрын
That description he gave honestly made me feel a little sick. Yuck. Why do mainstream comics believe they have to be so disgusting to be successful? I almost forget that good superhero comics still even exist when I hear stuff like this.
@davidj.medinag.6524
19 күн бұрын
It also wasn't a very good story. Paul Jenkins Spectacular Spider-man isn't very good
Maaaan, that rant from Hawkeye around 18:00 was giving me some MAAAAAJOR Cry for Justice vibes...if that's the level of bad we're at, then oooooh boy...
@SpawnRevenge92
19 күн бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing.
You know Danny Chase actually got a his TV debut in the third season of Young Justice. He was turned into a Father Box I think. I can't remember.
@wikiuser92
20 күн бұрын
The device's name was Kaiser Thrall, if I spell that correctly. He was kidnapped and taken to Apokalips, where Desaad cut out his brains and stuffed them into a box. Y'know, for kids!
@keyblademasterclark
20 күн бұрын
@@wikiuser92 I remembered a box was involved lol
@eugenideddis
19 күн бұрын
@@wikiuser92Season 3 isn't for kids with the level of blood and guts it has. I think 4 was more child appropriate, but it was aimed at an older audience
@fluidthought42
19 күн бұрын
Oh man, third season was _rough_ with its pacing
@keyblademasterclark
19 күн бұрын
@@fluidthought42 oh yeah
You know it's kind of a shame Brian Michael Bendis has made so many bad comic books and storylines because he can be a decent writer at time and truly be capable of making something super interesting and amazing but man can he screw something up.
@TevyaSmolka
20 күн бұрын
agreed
@samflood5631
20 күн бұрын
What other bad comics has Bendis made?
@joshuaingobo1559
20 күн бұрын
@@samflood5631Superman, Action Comics, Young Justice, Event Leviathan, Checkmate, Legion of Super-Heroes, Justice League, and Naomi
@samflood5631
20 күн бұрын
@@joshuaingobo1559 What was so bad about each of them?
@joshuaingobo1559
19 күн бұрын
@@samflood5631 The dialogue, retcons (i.e. Rogal Zaar destroying Krypton), storylines that take over a year to resolve (i.e. Red Cloud and Invisible Mafia, Symnar Utopica, Rogal Zaar, Naomi’s origins, Bendis Legion replacing the original Legion), and character development (i.e. aging up Jon Kent), barely having spotlight on characters (i.e. Jinny Hex, Teen Lantern, Amethyst), etc.
You know at this point i'm pretty sure Marvel just hates writing Avengers comics that are milestone comics like 200 or 500
@arashimiyazawa8165
19 күн бұрын
400 at least was a neat rematch against Loki which features Jarvis outwitting him for the win after he divides and checkmates the rest of the Avengers. A good solid story (though the last page is an Onslaught tie-in which signals the godawful story about to begin). 300 introduces one of those wacky lineups that Avengers was known for before becoming an A-list title: Thor, Cap, Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Gilgamesh. 100 was an invasion from Olympus led by Ares, not an exceptional story but not a bad one either.
@christopherb501
17 күн бұрын
Not looking forward to 800.
Lord I hate this story! It began a long history of character assassination on poor Wanda that she's only just now FINALLY broken free of! Bendis has a history of using "hysterical women" as a device for his conflicts and stories, and I find that so gross of him. And that's not even getting into what he did to Tigra.
@mattyoung4990
19 күн бұрын
What did he do to tigra?
@andyenglish4303
19 күн бұрын
What did he do to her?
@superthorc6894
19 күн бұрын
@@mattyoung4990if I remember correctly he use her to hype up The Hoid where he proceeded to strip her naked and beat her up and threatened her family. All to give him the Reputation of being a big shot supervillain. There is other case of the other heroes hating her and Jarvis hating for real even though they’re actually friends even when we learn that he was allergic to cats.
@DeathofInk
19 күн бұрын
@@andyenglish4303 He had her get ganged up and beaten horribly by The Hood and several C to D list Supervillains he was leading. And the only reason Bendis did that disrespectful mess to her was to show how much of an "underdog supervillain" The Hood was. Bends had a strange fondness for that creep which is appalling, especially since he'd mistreat a woman superhero so shamefully for the sake of building the guy up as the "new cool" supervillain of Marvel... Thankfully, later writing helped Tigra get the best revenge ever on The Hood. So there were writers who respected her a whole lot more than Bendis did.
@daelen.cclark
11 күн бұрын
@@superthorc6894 … allergic to cats? Really? That’s a horrible joke if it’s true.
...wow. I havent watched this show for a while (sorry Linkara). And then I click the notification and he seems so annoyed at me the first few seconds in. Like "Oh, so ya FINALLY decided to show up, did you?!"
@sscool100
20 күн бұрын
His knows what you did lol
@gracekim25
20 күн бұрын
@@sscool100he knows what you did this summer😂
~sees that Tom Brevoort is an editor~ Well, that explains some things… (For those who don’t know, he’s the guy who recently claimed that continuity & canon were meaningless and the only thing that mattered was storytelling. That might be okay for one-shots, but when it comes to a continuing series why should we care about a story if it’s not going to mean anything or have any impact on anything?) A year or two ago I got the West Coast Avengers: Darker Than Scarlet TPB and it’s a much better storyline.
@lagozzino
19 күн бұрын
I remember following a Marvel editor on tumblr years ago- I'm 90% sure it was Tom- and when someone sent in a question asking why so many mistakes were making it past the editors and into the books at the time, his response was something along the lines of "Catching those things is not part of an editor's job". To this day I'm still trying to figure out what he thinks is part of an editor's job if not that...
@arashimiyazawa8165
19 күн бұрын
The big problem with ignoring continuity here is that they're trying to have their cake and eat it too. "We can't let continuity get in the way of a good story!" "We're not going to explain who any of these villains who show up for two pages are, you already know who they are, we're relying on that continuity to provide the impact here!"
@fluidthought42
18 күн бұрын
@@arashimiyazawa8165 Not to mention the stories suck ass
@Goldfire-tt3dv
17 күн бұрын
Aaaaaand seeing Andy Schmidt's name among the editors... oh wow. For those who don't know, Andy Schmidt later went on to work as an editor on IDW's Transformers run, and he did display exactly the same attitude to his role as an editor. On top of plot discrepancies and annoying retcons, he even went so far as to let artists play fast and loose not only with art style, but characters' designs in concurrent titles (and sometimes even within the same title!). Bumblebee's design and even alternate modes would vary depending on the artist (to the point where an in-story upgrade to a different design and alternate mode was ignored by a fill-in artist), Blurr would alternate between an Earth alternate mode and a Cybertronian one, Bluestreak appeared in two different places (and two different color schemes!) in concurrent titles (with the plot in those stories not allowing for him to be in both places)... and Schmidt even openly decried the fans' "obsession" with silly concepts like "canon" and "continuity", even explicitly arguing that during his tenure at Marvel, nobody gave a turd. Imagine Hulk alternately being depicted as green, gray, dumb and smart over the course of a few issues of the same title, with everyone else acting as if there was no discrepancy, not because of some in-story reason like "reality is breaking apart", but simply because the editor thinks that writers and artists should have the liberty of depicting the character whichever way they like. And then Schmidt wrote an infamous one-shot that was intended to summarize IDW's Transformers continuity up to that point, but featured a lot of gross misinterpretations, I mean, "simplifications" of events (notably, the events of "Megatron: Origin", where he essentially started out as a blue collar worker that protested against a layoff, were reinterpreted as him being a revolting slave worker, because "kids understand the concept of slavery better than the plights of a lower-class worker"), screwed up the timeline and order of events in several instances, and overall was such a huge mess that Schmidt actually became the laughing stock among the IDW staff. Additionally, Schmidt apparently screwed over artist Don Figueroa, who created a new design for Megatron as a stealth bomber as part of a story pitch. Schmidt never got around to use the pitch, and thus, Figueroa was never compensated in any way. Instead, Schmidt just used the Megatron design for a different comic anyway, and later Hasbro even turned it into a toy, again without any sort of compensation for Figueroa's work. Not cool.
24:36 "I'm the government, I'm the government, I'm the reason why nothing works"
@louisduarte8763
19 күн бұрын
"I AM THE LAW!" I just wanted to say that. And ask of Linkara reviewed an JUDGE DREDD comic books.
The Amount of Writers and Pencillers this storyline had is honestly pretty insane and it kind of shows in the end result with how terrible the comic is
@wikiuser92
20 күн бұрын
There's a saying I've become familiar with that roughly translates to, "The bigger the number of cooks, the thicker the soup." That's definitely the case here.
@thatonea-hole
20 күн бұрын
@@wikiuser92 *TOO MANY COOKS THEME SONG PLAYS*
@daelen.cclark
19 күн бұрын
And it still looks too lumpy and red to enjoy.
I feel like this story is very much representative of 2000s big two comics: the shock value deaths and heel turns meant to get word of mouth buzz online and drive people to hate-buy the comics, the attempts to reset the status quo back to the '60s/'70s/'80s (House of M with "No More Mutants" and the returns of Hal Jordan and Barry Allen are other examples of that), the endless retcons that seem to exist just to say "Man, this writer's take on the character, their backstory and/or powers suck, let's just throw it away" (retcons of course, that were bound to be retconned themselves)… In hindsight I think these kinds of stories may've gained a short term boost in sales, but did a great deal of damage to both companies and comics as a whole in the long term. And man, this was really the beginning of the end for Hank Pym, huh? Previous creators had always tactfully avoided that particular bit of backstory, but that whole generation of writers like Bendis, Geoff Johns, Mark Millar, Joss Whedon, and Kevin Smith just loved to poke at this kind of controversy. Never mind that the scene was completely botched and wasn't *intended* to be Hank abusing Janet, let's comment on it over and over again, let's put in tasteless jokes about Hank being an abusive husband and make it the one character trait that anyone associates with the character. Man, if there's one character that shouldn't be brought back it's Hank Pym. It's over for him. They should just retcon him out of Avengers history.
Mephisto: What would you do if you had one really bad day
@thatonea-hole
20 күн бұрын
Mephisto: Would you sell your marriage? Your soul? Give me your rare card collection?!
@stevenhedge2850
19 күн бұрын
@@thatonea-hole Mephisto: "Blow yourself up when your harness gets on fire instead of taking it off?
Drunk Iron Man voice return!! 😂
@joshuaingobo1559
20 күн бұрын
It’s not drunk Iron Man voice, it’s more of Iron Man getting dizzy via Wanda’s Chaos Magic, since Linkara only uses the Drunk Tony Stark if it’s set before Demon in a Bottle.
@theamericanwhovian5678
19 күн бұрын
@@joshuaingobo1559 awww that’s right! Well still I love it when he makes fun of Iron man this way! 😂
I understand why Comic Book writers kill off characters you know you kill off a character to create intrigue and potentially get more people to check out a Comic than you probably would of gotten and maybe your sales will increase after a time but do you have to do in such a terrible and ugly way that you want to puke afterwards from it being so bad
@louisduarte8763
19 күн бұрын
I'll be honest, that's how and when I started ED Brubaker's CAPTAIN AMERICA, with Bucky Barnes becoming one of my favorite characters.
@christopherb501
17 күн бұрын
*would HAVE!
Dear god, I'm starting to see why people think Bendis hates Hawkeye.
Felt like there have been very few bad comic reviews this year, glad we have this to make up for it!
“Oh-ho-ho he’s pissed!”
The heck was up with Wasp in that flashback!? Ignoring that Wanda doesn't remember her kids (according to this comic) Why the heck would she tell Wanda off for WANTING kids!? Imagine if Wanda had always remembered and Wasp KNEW that! She just brought up a horrifying moment for no other reason then to throw shade! What the hell!? "Superheroes shouldn't have kids! Thank goodness your kids died! You must have been an idiot to want two!"
Okay the thumbnail for this one is absolutely hilarious
19 күн бұрын
Go Viga!
Wow, with a cold open that depressed you know you're in for a dozy of a video review. I missed this.
@mattyoung4990
19 күн бұрын
Well with all the good stuff hes been reviewing its about time we gets some bad stuff eventually
Of course the great comic this storyline gave us at least was Stormbreaker: The Saga of Beta Ray Bill
By the way, Jack of Hearts had died like...a few MONTHS before this storyline. This was FRESH.
I love when Linkara review modern comics
@caesar0frome950
20 күн бұрын
It’s like around 20 years old
@torrencesampson3584
20 күн бұрын
@@caesar0frome950 now you made me feel old 👴🏾
2:59 Oh yeah, Man-Spider.
@thatonea-hole
20 күн бұрын
Hey, I remember that episode of Spiderman: The Animated Series, it was very weird. Had the punisher & Kraven the hunter
It baffles me that no one remembers that the Thor tie-in to this book actually killed off Thor and all of the Asgardians in Ragnarok, in a story that was surprisingly better writen than the rest of the event.
@arashimiyazawa8165
19 күн бұрын
The main problem with the Thor tie-in is that it was very meta, equating the all of the retcons reboots and resurrections of the series as being an in-story function of Ragnarok. The outcome of the story was breaking the cycle forever and freeing all of the Asgardians from the endless rebirth. It was an incredible story, worthy of being the final Thor story. The problem is that is can't be the final Thor story, because they eventually have to bring them all back because they can't not because comic books. So now it kinda reads as an epic exercise in futility.
I recall in anticipation for the Seige event comic, Marvel did a weekly look back at the events leading up to it on their KZread. When they went over this event, Bendis admitted, "Yeah I thought I was doing something novel and ambitious, but I ended up being the kid destroying sand castles and toys on the playground, sorry..." EDIT: if y'all are interested in that video, it's called, "Marvel Hotline: Bendis on Disassembled."
The most baffling thing for me about the reveal is that Vision of all people got killed. Like, some characters in the background also sound baffled by it, so I think it was intended to be confusing or maybe a red herring? As far as I know, no explanation is given for why Wanda would kill her husband after finding out her children no longer existed. Like, I would think she would want the kids' father alive once they're brought back?
Back when this came out, I absolutely loved it. It was such a massive shakeup (Scarlet Witch went completely insane, Hawkeye and Antman died, and chaos magic never existed) that it didn't occurred to me how none of that would stick. The story's legacy is nothing but an ugly smear on Marvel's biggest heroes.
Oh great, Hawkeye has a crush on a Nazi 💀
An AT4W episode on my birthday? Sweet.
@thatonea-hole
20 күн бұрын
*HAPPY BIRTHDAY* 🎂 🥳 🎉
NGL I grew up a Marvel guy and this comic really soured Marvel comics for me for a long time
@Transformers-gb5jx
20 күн бұрын
Same
@daelen.cclark
11 күн бұрын
Did anything get you back into it?
@jagger2313
11 күн бұрын
@@daelen.cclark Kamala Khan and some of the newer Moon Knight stuff but recently I’ve become disillusioned again so I’m not reading Marvel or DC. I’ve gotten more into Image comics and the recent Ghost Machine label that just came out
you know if they ever brought back the Dexter's Lab spin-off segment the Justice Friends as an Adultswim Show seeing Kronk get drunk would be a good episode.
"NO! NO DISASSEMBLE!"
@thatonea-hole
20 күн бұрын
Insert *Lego falls apart noise*
@arashimiyazawa8165
19 күн бұрын
NEED MORE INPUT!
I feel like this comic is one of the best examples for why the 2000's for Marvel and DC were at times so bad and so horrible with they're comics that it was kind of laughable to a point
@JamailvanWestering
20 күн бұрын
Marvel in 00s was fairly decent mate. Marvel’s shit years were the 90s
@christopherbennett5858
17 күн бұрын
@@JamailvanWesteringThe Grant Morrison Xmen was mostly a fantastic step forward. Shame editorial didn’t want to continue that when they left.
@robinmohamedally7587
15 күн бұрын
@@JamailvanWestering nah. The early 90's were bad, but the late 90's were better than most 00's comics.
@justinarzola4584
15 күн бұрын
I disagree, Marvel had great stuff in the 2000's, just ignore the events and some of the spiderman stuff like Sin's Past and One More Day.
The "continuity doesn't matter if it suits the story" philosophy is all well and good... except in a case like this where the whole story hinges on multiple layers of retcons dating back as far as 20 years.
Heh. Avengers #200 and avengers #500 aka disassemble is basically the equivalent of One More Day and Sins Past. It's hard to tell and debatable which of this pick your posions is worse.
"Do you think I've been too nice lately? I can't remember the last time you burnt a comic book. This one deserved it.
13:48 I mentioned in a previous review where Danny Chase was name-dropped (I believe the third part of Heroes in Crisis review; will check later) that the character has been dead pretty much since I was born. It’s heartwarming that Linkara still remembers Danny Chase, and though I can’t exactly miss a character I never knew, I hope he gets his due someday soon.
About Jack of Hearts though, he's alive and well now. He technically came back in the recent She-Hulk. They're dating now.
@DinoDave150
19 күн бұрын
Good for them both.
"I'm Brian Michael Bendis, and I don't have good stories and bad stories. I have *extraordinarily* good stories and I have *extraordinarily* bad stories. "This was an extraordinarily bad story." 😮💨
You know you’ve been watching this show for a while when you say “that can’t be good” exactly when Linkara does lol
Linkara’s Opening monologue already promises something AMAZINGLY BAD P.S. Yep it was bad like WTF were the writers thinking kind of bad in a lot of moments
@TevyaSmolka
20 күн бұрын
fun fact actually this was written by Brian Michael bendis who surprisingly wrote ultimate spider-man which that book was good, but this was a trainwreck from beginning to the end in my opinion.
@DarkKnightofAnime
20 күн бұрын
@@TevyaSmolka I guess got a little better…? Ya I dunno how to describe what happened here
@TevyaSmolka
20 күн бұрын
@@DarkKnightofAnime yeah i can't describe it either, but unfortunately history has shown bendis has really fallen off over the decade especially because this is the same writer who also wrote civil war 2 which was also a really bad storyline in my opinion.
The awful random asides, bad dialogue, bad jokes, long meaningless monologues, are all pretty classic Brian Michael Bendis tropes
@arashimiyazawa8165
19 күн бұрын
"We're having the Bendis conversation." "The Bendis conversaion?" "The Bendis conversation." "The Brian Michael Bendis conversation?" "The Brian Michael Bendis conversation." "And we're having that conversation right now?" "We're having it right now."
Only thing missing was Clint yelling "JUSTICE!" with the whole proactiveness bull...
21:09 "Khonsu has judged you are in need of my help. Lucky me."
Ah, at least we have proof inappropriate jokes for the mood of the story in MCU are inspired by the comics...