August-Low Elo Players Will OVERWHELMINGLY Choose DMG/MAIN CHARACTER SYNDROME/Why can ADC's 1 SHOT?!

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  • @XxFlyingNinjaxX72
    @XxFlyingNinjaxX72Ай бұрын

    The main character syndrome bit goes so hard. So many high elo games people just can't let go of wanting to be him

  • @liberphilosophus7481

    @liberphilosophus7481

    Ай бұрын

    Yet a good tank can 1v9 by denying access to your backline and/or ccing their backline.

  • @YuYuYuna_
    @YuYuYuna_Ай бұрын

    I'd be down for them to nerf zerkers boots and give more AS to ADC items. I do like the idea of boots being a highly customizable item slot in general and I wish it was much more flexible than it is. For many mages in mid there are plenty of games you can opt out of going sorcs for tabis/mercs if it's necessary and your damage is still considerably strong. Not going zerkers on just about every crit ADC feels disgusting.

  • @JabBab-xx5dr

    @JabBab-xx5dr

    Ай бұрын

    I have been taking swifties on adcs about half the time and zerks the other half. No amount of attack speed matters if you are dead and outrunning everyone prevents that

  • @comment4t0r61

    @comment4t0r61

    Ай бұрын

    well the sad thing is the boot slot isnt rly customizible anymore as well. Look at melee champs. The onyl viable Boots normaly were Mercs (to not stand still with all the CC in the game and obviously melee champs get hit more by CC) and Tabis (to get 1 shoted 1 autoattack slower by enemy ADCS). Sadly Riot nerfed Tabi in the ground for no reason at all as well as removing every form of tenacity in runes fro the game, and as such Mercs is the only viable boots you can go (except if you NEVER group with your team and need to armor of tabis to win the 1v1 in Split pushing)

  • @jackknox5058

    @jackknox5058

    Ай бұрын

    @@comment4t0r61 they nerfed it for good reason, as their midseason made juggernauts and health stacking characters much stronger and removed the giant slayer passive from ldr. The tabis nerf was needed to make up for that

  • @bookbookbook1

    @bookbookbook1

    Ай бұрын

    @@comment4t0r61 tabi never really got nerfed that hard over the years damage is just way higher and more than half the games champs don't deal damage with autos like they used to

  • @comment4t0r61

    @comment4t0r61

    Ай бұрын

    @@jackknox5058 Juggernauts and Health stacking has never been op. Sry but its just wrong. ADC did melt Juggenrauts and Tanks in pre season as well. ADC does that since the ADC Rework (which was Season 6 I think). SInce then ADC has been op and become more OP every Season. Before the ADC rework ADCs did only buy 4 offensiv Items and 1 Full tank Item (Guradian ANgel gave 40 MR/ Armor back then, every ADC builded it). But ADC Rework gave them so much Dmg and lifesteal that going full dmg drain tank made them more tanky. Also the removing of Giant Slayer passiv on LDR is useles. The passiv did very little and the increased Armor pen does more Dmg if the enemy has around 130+ Armor by what most graphs have shown, which EVERY top laner has. Lastly Ninja Tabis were the only Item that made it possible to survive 1 Autoattack more of an ADC, without that Item buying Defense Items becomes even more useles. Why do you think every top/ Jungle player plays full Dmg or ADC/ Mage nowadays? Because building defens eis useles. And keep in mind in Pro play Tanks have like 10 times the value of solo Queue, because everyone plays "protect the ADC". And even at the Pro Play MSI, which was before the ADC mid season power patch many Games had like 5 ADCS in 1 Game, with both Top laner going ADCs or Assassins. If this happens in pro play, even before the ADC patch you KNOW the Game has a balancing problem.

  • @MrDraehl
    @MrDraehlАй бұрын

    The damage leaning preference is obvious in online gaming in general and how developers tune combat. TTK seems to skew more towards faster exciting fights over perhaps more engaging/balanced slower fights. High max HP relative to all damage/healing/sustain just feels like it keeps games in a healthier spot, but people want number go big so TTK is generally lower :/

  • @medium-unit-onbreak

    @medium-unit-onbreak

    Ай бұрын

    I agree

  • @briancomforti3890
    @briancomforti3890Ай бұрын

    What defensive items need to give players incentive is build paths that feel important. Glacial shroud builds into: Frozen Heart. Noonquiver builds into: Everything.

  • @dylan3746

    @dylan3746

    Ай бұрын

    It used to feel important when they had unique passives and better stats. They removed a lot of that to make the item spikes feel stronger.

  • @justascomplicated8182

    @justascomplicated8182

    Ай бұрын

    All adcs need virtually the same stats besides jhin and ezreal. Riot has frequently talked about how adc is the hardest role to make unique feeling champions in so I don't think this is a good example of your point.

  • @briancomforti3890

    @briancomforti3890

    Ай бұрын

    @@justascomplicated8182 I think tanks feel just as identical, if not worse because there’s probably one meta tank in a given patch, and then the other tanks

  • @justascomplicated8182

    @justascomplicated8182

    Ай бұрын

    @@briancomforti3890 No Im saying that noonquiver doesn't argue for the point you're making because it's not a good thing that so many adcs have to build the same stats. August speaks to this in this clip by acknowledging how optimal stats on adcs greatly reduce the diversity of itemization. Adcs aren't building noonquiver because it's a jack of all trades item. Noonquiver was made to just be a blanket option because all adcs are roughly trying to do the same thing (deal physical damage) in different ways. Tanks specifically itemize against team comps, so this was just a bad example.

  • @BlackRoseTC

    @BlackRoseTC

    Ай бұрын

    Glacial shroud is 10x the spike of noonquiver though

  • @Belial234
    @Belial234Ай бұрын

    "ADC would not buy defense even if it would be good" -> proceeds to gut QSS because ADCs bought it to defend themself

  • @owsomnus9749

    @owsomnus9749

    23 күн бұрын

    This is a stupid comment especially if you're mentioning QSS as a response to the Zed topic. He has a video explaining precisely why buying QSS to counter Zed was stupid and statistics to prove it.

  • @Setonix1-.-1
    @Setonix1-.-19 күн бұрын

    I feel like he didnt understand question about adc, the question wasnt why adcs deal lots of dmg overtime rather why you cant do anything against them as assasin since they oneshot you faster than you can gapclose and oneshot them, adcs are not suposed to have burst damage, they are not ad mages…

  • @Jiroscopio_
    @Jiroscopio_16 күн бұрын

    Idk from my experience it's the opposite. I've been called out for trying to build mercs and hexdrinker as an ADC because there was a fed LeBlanc one shotting everyone. My teammates were telling me I was trolling building that and just focus on damage. You know the worst part? They were fucking right, I kept being one-shotted anyways just to do less damage. Not saying this will apply everytime, but yeah, there's also a very common over-defense bias and from what I see higher rank players mostly just end up going full damage anyways. My experience: iron-gold: just go full damage lol plat-diamond: omg they are full ad go tabis master+: just go full dmg lol Similarly to how I often see master+ streamers simply don't buy Grevious Wounds against insane 4+ champ healing comps, because they are just too confident about their skills and damage and it does end up working out for them

  • @keeganhand1915

    @keeganhand1915

    4 күн бұрын

    one popular streamer said you only build defense when youre ahead. If you already have the damage, make it so the enemy never has the damaged to kill you. If you dont have the damage, youre not playing the game.

  • @Chryssey_ADC
    @Chryssey_ADCАй бұрын

    as chall adc i need to say that atk boots are really op on adc most metas u usually rush it first item on aph/jinx/zeri and have huge powerspike so its like tradeoff

  • @MatthewTheUntitled

    @MatthewTheUntitled

    Ай бұрын

    Not to.mention yoneyas brothers

  • @billyjoe8185

    @billyjoe8185

    Ай бұрын

    Is it bad that I hold off on getting berserkers greaves on PTA lucian until after 2nd or 3rd item? I take magical footwear to make up for not having to spend gold on boots and usually get navori 2nd to get E faster

  • @rorschac009oo8
    @rorschac009oo8Ай бұрын

    I used to one trick Shen, to support the main carry. Then i realized if there was no main carry i was fked and if the carry was a dumbass, i cant save them. So i went mid to learn to carry instead

  • @DemonerLycan
    @DemonerLycanАй бұрын

    That's funny, after I got tired of always playing support in Dota, when I started to play League with my friends, I've decided I'm going to be The Guy. And then two people in my friend group decided to play toplane and couldn't do jack in other roles, the midlane was always occupied, and the only thing left for me was the ADC role. Alright, the CARRY role from Dota, I'm going to farm like there's no tomorrow and- wait, why am I dead to a support? The ADC was such a humbling course. I felt even more useless, than a pos5 Crystal Maiden, one single mistake and you're gone - unlike Dota, where pos1 is basically a demigod lategame. I eventually learned the role, got good enough to be comparable to a high plat or low diamond on some champion, but it was so nerve-wracking, that I dipped from that role the first chance I got. Learning ADC was (and probably still is) such a miserable experience.

  • @DieSense122
    @DieSense122Ай бұрын

    the main character thing is true to a certain extent. however, I've also met people who always play passively and never test limits (pretty much avoiding any trades in lane), which prevented them from actually learning when/how to trade/fight

  • @solbradguy7628
    @solbradguy7628Ай бұрын

    The guy who said "If only cloth armor was enough" was 100% right. I laughed when he talked about adcs being able to buy Ninja Tabis and be able to survive vs Zed, that is never going to happen. I played support as Thresh or other tankier supports and I would build Ninja Tabis and still get instantly bursted by Zed even with two or even three items. I like being tanky in games and when I still played league it never felt like you could be even close to tanky enough. When I quit league is when I experimented with building full tank items and still got instantly shredded by all the percent health damage that invalidated the entire existence of tanks. There is simply WAY too much damage in the game for being tanky to be at all viable. The only viable strategy is to do enough damage to one shot them first, as boring as that is.

  • @Andre-od5hf

    @Andre-od5hf

    Ай бұрын

    Its like he doesn't play the game when he says an adc should delay their build by 300-1000 gold just to die to zed anyways lmao

  • @boldisordorin9010
    @boldisordorin9010Ай бұрын

    The irony is gojo is not the main character

  • @joacimdavidsson1859
    @joacimdavidsson1859Ай бұрын

    No matter how much attack speeds adc's get they will never to able to buy an item that's no longer in the game.

  • @SirBackPack
    @SirBackPackАй бұрын

    Defensive items don’t stop ADCs from dying to assassins. That’s why ADCs buy more offensive items

  • @javierrodrigueznoguera8611

    @javierrodrigueznoguera8611

    Ай бұрын

    literally. tabis arent gonna save me from zed. destroying him before he reaches will

  • @themegaladon18

    @themegaladon18

    Ай бұрын

    One cloth armor completely nullifies a full items worth of lethality. Early and mid game that would save you.

  • @SirBackPack

    @SirBackPack

    Ай бұрын

    @@themegaladon18 yea and if I keep building 5 armor items along with the 5 pen items that the assassin builds then I’ll be useful as a tank Lucian

  • @themegaladon18

    @themegaladon18

    Ай бұрын

    @@SirBackPack You don't have to do that 4head. The point is you can easily survive early on with it. Depending on the timing you could sit on the armor item that builds into ga and nullify 2 to 3 items of lethality.

  • @SirBackPack

    @SirBackPack

    Ай бұрын

    @@themegaladon18 sit in armor item, gets behind on build, which is expensive, doesn’t do enough damage to be a threat to the tank, lose game. That’s cool man

  • @Ben-zw3vd
    @Ben-zw3vdАй бұрын

    its crazy how high elo u need to get before people even understand how to identify or understand even that you need to play for your wincon

  • @Krasnal428

    @Krasnal428

    Ай бұрын

    Average emerald top lane Volibear crying about jungle diff when he has Draven Leona botlane.

  • @Ben-zw3vd

    @Ben-zw3vd

    Ай бұрын

    @@Krasnal428 wrong guess, but I mean wincons aren’t rigid they are flexible. ofc u hope for that bot to snowball but they aren’t always

  • @liberphilosophus7481

    @liberphilosophus7481

    Ай бұрын

    wincon is always killing nexus.

  • @Ben-zw3vd

    @Ben-zw3vd

    Ай бұрын

    @@liberphilosophus7481 true

  • @cokecan6169
    @cokecan61692 күн бұрын

    Unfortunately non carries suck for solo climbing because often games are on you when everyone else is feeding. This is especially true for jungle and top.

  • @telephonic3600
    @telephonic360017 күн бұрын

    i am a yone main on top but i will play zac or Tank/bruiser when we need frontline or cc , thats why i have postive winrate on both of them

  • @ozmcsween
    @ozmcsweenАй бұрын

    Having an upgradable version of all boots to a defensive item would feel better against all the damage oriented carries

  • @ozmcsween
    @ozmcsweenАй бұрын

    Not true playing zeri as on hit tank was the most fun I’ve had on her

  • @Infinite_War
    @Infinite_WarАй бұрын

    Merc treads and ninja tabi will not save you from lb and zed. They get fed off of bot lane through roams before they can even get the item first of all. Second they buy penetration in their build that completely negates any benefit you might receive. Why do rioters have the worst takes on their own game?

  • @zaine7715

    @zaine7715

    Ай бұрын

    August is a moron 😂

  • @DatsDope
    @DatsDopeАй бұрын

    Low elo needs to pick damage to climb because half your teams just run away when you engage.

  • @MatthewTheUntitled

    @MatthewTheUntitled

    Ай бұрын

    You can get to emerald with macro only

  • @DatsDope

    @DatsDope

    Ай бұрын

    @@MatthewTheUntitled You're just wrong. I had to play yi to get out of gold. Then zac to get past emerald. I can't win games on zac in silver half the time because there's no follow up.

  • @SaSo-mk6yh

    @SaSo-mk6yh

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@MatthewTheUntitledlvl of variance for diff ranks.

  • @cokecan6169

    @cokecan6169

    2 күн бұрын

    ​@@DatsDope yeah pretty much. Playing tank engage without burst is a coin toss in low elo. I'd be lucky to get an ult spam yasuo who goes in on every team knock up.

  • @therattleinthebook397
    @therattleinthebook397Ай бұрын

    Its also that low elo players are given the advice that to climb, they ought to buy damage to gain ahency over the game relative to their teammates. But oftentimes those low elos dont deserve to climb because they're not better, so their agency doesn't matter.

  • @fishstks9677
    @fishstks967728 күн бұрын

    Nah bro, it’s not that we like building damage, it’s that we like winning. If I could climb while playing enchanters and pure tanks I would, but I can’t.

  • @JagorM
    @JagorMАй бұрын

    I play supp so its impossible for me to be the main character. I just take the blame for not helping the main character every micro second of a match😎

  • @alexdenslow7095
    @alexdenslow7095Ай бұрын

    Low elo players also have VERY bad team coordination and will often play selfishly to carry the game.

  • @SaSo-mk6yh

    @SaSo-mk6yh

    Ай бұрын

    And if it doesn't work out they stay in low elo.

  • @zaine7715

    @zaine7715

    Ай бұрын

    High elo does same thing in solo queue. Ever seen Nemesis play Kayle?

  • @gromsama5431
    @gromsama5431Күн бұрын

    This will make adc absoulete in toplane and midlane🙄

  • @chancewestonjordan
    @chancewestonjordanАй бұрын

    Weird, they gutted Shieldbow, heavily nerfed Wit's for ranged, destroyed Grasp and they're wondering why ADCs won't buy defensive items. The truth is that they do, Kai'sa players love Zhonya's, Radiant Varus was the most popular build when that was viable, a lot of Samira players go BT + Shieldbow, people gravitated towards tanky Smolder and there's always Frozen Heart on Ezreal. All of the above except Riot's golden child Kai'sa has been nerfed to shit. It's such a shit argument to pretend that players like stacking damage when Riot consistently removes defensive options on ADCs. Tanky Twitch is too strong? Let's not change his base damage, just nerf Titanic on ranged. Graves is dominating high elo? Let's nerf True Grit instead of his E cooldown. Then they sit there and talk about how it's the playerbase's fault for having main character syndrome, it's ridiculous.

  • @chancewestonjordan

    @chancewestonjordan

    Ай бұрын

    MEANWHILE AKSHAN HAS 52 AND JAYCE HAS 59 (was 54 for like 3 seasons) BASE AD HAHAHAHA

  • @Infinite_War

    @Infinite_War

    Ай бұрын

    Rioters? Gas lighting their player base 😲 NeVeR! HoW daRe yoU 😤

  • @Mirro18
    @Mirro18Ай бұрын

    Me, the Samira player: you guys are building Berserkers? (I do find it kinda funny, and I think it is one of the small things that i think makes Samira frustrating for some people.

  • @Typhoeous
    @TyphoeousАй бұрын

    Disagree with the defensive item cloth armour discussion. Anti heal item / Mordekaiser QSS change literally proves why this logic doesn't work, on most websites it shows that delaying your core items to buy a situational item has a negative impact on your likelihood to win the game even if it seems intuitive to. Core items getting finished is the main way to assure you are relevant in a game. If you are ahead you can buy defensive as it simply protects your earlier investments of gold.

  • @owsomnus9749
    @owsomnus974923 күн бұрын

    While I do agree that main character syndrome causes players to lose games, I also think that solo queue itself encourages main character syndrome. What I mean by that is, if you take a player and put them on a team with 4 complete strangers, why would their default mindset going into the game be "someone else on my team will carry"? They don't know these people so ofc they're going to be skeptical. However, if I avoid solo queue and instead only play the game with 4 friends, people I know, like, and trust, the likelihood is greater than I won't have a problem taking a backseat sometimes and letting them take charge of the game. To expect the average solo queue player to have that much trust in people they're meeting for the first time is unreasonable. It's not really the player's fault, it's the nature of solo queue that keeps leading to all these toxic, unproductive situations we observe in League.

  • @itzshadoow756
    @itzshadoow756Ай бұрын

    so basically what august is sayign is that im gojo? always knew i was special :3

  • @gigaflippz2551
    @gigaflippz2551Ай бұрын

    But I’m literally Gojo

  • @climtz
    @climtzАй бұрын

    On the cloath armor on adc topic : Just don't do it. He believes that it is enough to survive the burst combo from a zed or a talon but it is only worth at equal xp. Zed lvl 9 would decimate a lvl 7 adc even with some armor. On the players like to build damage point, I find it extremely hypocritical : carry players litteraly love including Hp/dmg reduction in their build but Riot is actually against the idea of adc trading some dmg for survivability. Radiant vertue Varus, Triforce Titanic Zeri, Tank Kog'maw/smolder, the rework of shieldbow on samira, yasuo, draven, ashe ect... the removal of BT shield, ranged nerf on death dance and hexdrinker. The only Adc with a decent decensive item that i can think of is Kai'sa. They even removed stopwatch in the buildpath of GA. It is not Adc that don't like building bulky. It is that Riot finds it unbalanced when Adc build anything else than the IE/kraken-zerker rush that they are forced into.

  • @climtz

    @climtz

    Ай бұрын

    If anything, we should ask him why toplaners are always alowed so many playstyles : aatrox lethality, bruiser, offtank; same of Kled or Renekton... Why can they chose between tankiness and damage knowing perfectly that they will get both either ways. Why is it only seen as a problem when botlaners do it ?

  • @climtz

    @climtz

    Ай бұрын

    I don't even play botlane anymore, I just don't understand why Riot would feel the need to gaslight their playerbase like that.

  • @cokecan6169

    @cokecan6169

    2 күн бұрын

    ​@@climtzthe reality of top going lethality is more that bruiser items suck. They are so much more damn expensive, going double lethality items can save up to a thousand gold. That's a huge lead spike.

  • @ihavecrabs56
    @ihavecrabs56Ай бұрын

    what defensive items can adcs build except for maybe shieldbow? u need 4 crit items, boots. and the last one is lifesteal? also it makes no sense that adcs can crit for 2k but enchanters are squishy too so why dont they heal and shield for 2k? they get 1 shot too

  • @gauravshinde6559
    @gauravshinde6559Ай бұрын

    No way you are climbing without doing dmg in low elo.

  • @jasonyang6150
    @jasonyang6150Ай бұрын

    I go face!!!!

  • @hanshysher6266
    @hanshysher6266Ай бұрын

    ADC should never 1 shot people in even conditions, theres no world where 40% armor pen is ok.

  • @MercurialDecree
    @MercurialDecreeАй бұрын

    The armor and PEN sytems in this game are trash. I dont have any solutions, but it's unbalanceable. ADC is broken! ADC is trash! There's no in between because of the items that change how your character interacts with other characters.

  • @zaine7715

    @zaine7715

    Ай бұрын

    Solution is remove crit, boots and runes from the game. Maybe then Riot could actually balance this damage fest.

  • @MercurialDecree

    @MercurialDecree

    Ай бұрын

    @zaine7715 Yeah, I don't think that's gonna help. There's too much scaling on mages, matches will drag on, and mages stomp the end game with a gathering storm. Same issue but with different champions.

  • @solbradguy7628
    @solbradguy7628Ай бұрын

    Really funny that you use Gojo as the example when he is, in fact, not actually the main character of JJK. The comparison is still apt because he might as well be, but you know.

  • @Yvädastra
    @YvädastraАй бұрын

    I'd be down for Riot to just get rid of boots and add MS scaling to champion base stats. :v

  • @MatthewTheUntitled

    @MatthewTheUntitled

    Ай бұрын

    Ever heard of cassio?

  • @herpderp66
    @herpderp66Ай бұрын

    You got the wrong take on this one. I like playing tanks. Amumu, Leona, Malphite, Mundo. The amount of times I start a fight and my team does nothing but walk away is astounding. Your damage has to be competent. You can carry from that role you are relying on other people in the team to do their job. You are coinflipping every game if the guy behind you will actualy do their job. Eventually I stopped playing tanks because I could trust randoms to do their jobs.

  • @einjharrelraca
    @einjharrelracaАй бұрын

    People arent building defensive options because they all blow ass and dont function. Cool, i build a randuins or some shit into zed, now he only overkills me by 1.3x my heathbar instead of 1.6x. Woooo such massive impact, and all it cost me was the ONLY FUNCTION OF MY CLASS. Now the fun one, people dont want to build defence? Thats a fucking lie. We JUST saw radiant virtue on adcs beforw it was removed. Clearly they want to build defence, riot just gutts them any time they do, and then compensation buffs them with A FUCKING CRIT RATIO!

  • @Keurgui1

    @Keurgui1

    Ай бұрын

    They function but they wont always save you just by the virtue of having them (sides maybe zhonyas cause lolinvulnerability). Imo ADC's shouldnt build shit like randuins and tank a Zed combo

  • @mhdgamerpro4131

    @mhdgamerpro4131

    Ай бұрын

    bro why build raunduins against zed? randuins are for crit based champs death dance is a better option Guardians revive is a better option these option help you have sustain or literally ''' dont die button'' on each item. now you can build defensive items with 100% crit more damage overall . ''''OH I AM ADc I AM WEAK JUST BEcAUSE I AM ONESHOTTED BY A very FED ASSASIN even tho i deals 1000 damage per auto attacks ''''

  • @aurumludum3695

    @aurumludum3695

    Ай бұрын

    did u listen to the part where he said “people build defense when it’s strong” the radiant on adc thing was only because it was so broken. people will go against their nature if it’s meta

  • @yeah-yeah2249

    @yeah-yeah2249

    Ай бұрын

    I've never seen an ADC other than Varus top build radiant virtue lol.

  • @Wildcat12

    @Wildcat12

    Ай бұрын

    Building a Randuin’s shouldn’t allow you to survive a full Zed combo lmao. Randuin’s is anti-crit and Zed at most only has 25% crit chance if he goes Collector. And having a single defensive item shouldn’t be enough to stop an assassin from killing you reliably. Build GA, build Death’s Dance, build Maw, build Shieldbow. You have options. Grab items that will actually do something instead of a Randuin’s

  • @Andre-od5hf
    @Andre-od5hfАй бұрын

    How in the world does cloth armor stop zed from killing you? Ngl august can sound stupid at times

  • @ArkeniusTV

    @ArkeniusTV

    Ай бұрын

    In mid stops him from 60>0 you with RWQE Same with Fizz, some high rated midlaners sit on Null Mantle to not 70>0 from Fizz R, depending on matchup Prevents lethal windows

  • @Andre-od5hf

    @Andre-od5hf

    Ай бұрын

    @@ArkeniusTV he's talking about adc, adcs don't lane vs zed

  • @pretzels1208

    @pretzels1208

    Ай бұрын

    Zed does physical damage. Cloth armor gives armor. Armor reduces physical damage. He even acknowledged that 1 cloth armor wouldn't be enough to stop Zed.

  • @rnakdbtl
    @rnakdbtlАй бұрын

    Its concerning that people should trust an emerald player on balance issues.

  • @DatsDope
    @DatsDopeАй бұрын

    This dude really just blamed adc's for not building defensive items, then said "we tend to nerf them when they do." Like what the hell man? You're causing the problems you're complaining about!!!

  • @MrKykyks
    @MrKykyksАй бұрын

    oh yeah i love cloth armor as adc to counter zed that can deal 3 times my hp bar in 0.2s remember when shieldbow was built by nobody because of shit it was after several buff and is still built by nobody while it give 50% of your hp as shield now ? thats cause its shit if enemy zed can deal 3 times your hp bar and worst of all, if you build it, you know cant deal damage effectively

  • @huntersuper98

    @huntersuper98

    Ай бұрын

    Bad faith argument+Raw HP is shit if you don't have resisitences.

  • @AnniePee

    @AnniePee

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@huntersuper98adcs don't know how to engage in good faith most of the time

  • @homyachock

    @homyachock

    Ай бұрын

    How to detect crybaby? He complains about Zed. Works every time Next time at least chose good assasin like Khazix, not Zed

  • @JabBab-xx5dr

    @JabBab-xx5dr

    Ай бұрын

    @@homyachockI don’t mind the AD assassins much, it’s usually the AP assassins where they usually can one shot any squishies with just one or two spells. Ap assassins are mad annoying

  • @comment4t0r61
    @comment4t0r61Ай бұрын

    I feel like Riot sometimes lost their connection to their own Game, as in theory what they say makes sense, but not to the degree it is applied. His take on ADCs: Yes, ADCs have a role and are supposed to do constant high Damage, as their Role is to be the constant dmg threat that if not answered will over time kill everybody. The problem is that there is a difference between something called "sustained Damage" and just constant 1 shoting. An ADC will always be able to deal constant damage, that is why they counter mroe tanky roles like Tanks/ Bruisers, which can survive burst dmg, but not constant DPS. --> THe Problem comes when the constant DPS is to high. For years now the constant DPS of ADC increased every season, they always do more and more DPS, and it is a big difference if an ADC can kill a Tank in 8 or 2 Seconds. In theory in both cases the ADC still fullfills the role of applieing constant DPS, if he can do this DPS constantly, but if the Tank dies in 10 or 8 seconds he has enough time to fullfill his own role, as he survives long enough to create space and control for his own team. How ever if a Tank dies in 2-4 seconds there is no time for a slow Tank/ Bruiser to full fill his role. As a result less and less people do play Tank/ Bruiser in top/ jngle, bcs its useles. Its basicly the same he said about AAtrox/ riven / Bruiser i the bruiser lethality videos. If ADC does to much damage, then the role of Tanks gets removed from the Game, as a result normaly tanky roles like tanks/ Bruisers buy full damage instead, as the best way to survive becomes 1 shoting the enem ADC before he 1 shots you. If they would remove A LOT of the dmg of ADCs, then Roles like top/ Jngle could start building tank items again, as then these Items arent useles. Then they could also remove some Dmg from the Abilities of tanks/ Bruiser/ Mages (which all had DMg power creep in their abilitys over the years to counteract the powercreep in ADC Items) and then an ADC doesnt need to be 1 shoted by a full tank anymore. But atm, a full Tank needs to be able to 1 shot an ADC, as if he doesnt the ADC 1 shots them. --> and that is the reason why the only viable tanks are once like KSante/ Zac/ Malp which can 1 shot an ADC as well as the fact that even in pro play we see games with 5 ADCs in which both top laners and some mid laners/ Supports pick ADC. bcs the ADC dmg is so insane that playing anything that needs to be able to take some hits isnt able to fullfill its role and as a result the role stops existing.

  • @RobotboyX2

    @RobotboyX2

    Ай бұрын

    funnily enough if they were to do that, tanks would run rampant again because everyone plays assasins / assasin type builds and gets dunked on by tanks and then they complain about tanks being op, even though it is literally a tanks job to counter assasins. i do think the game would be in a healthier game where tanks are a viable pick again and picking bruiser top would make u wanna have a tank in jungle etc

  • @Junomybeloved

    @Junomybeloved

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@RobotboyX2boy you sure about wanting tanks to be viable? Cus that would be shit for everyone

  • @RobotboyX2

    @RobotboyX2

    Ай бұрын

    @@Junomybeloved im certain as can be, tanks were very viable in season 3-4 and people were ready to pick them for the team and actually attempt to teamfight etc. nowadays everyone wants to be the superstar and 1 player picking a tank and then being able to 1v1 all the superstars is the issue that people have with tanks nowadays. Tanks interacting in a normal way with the game can only be seen in pro nowadays imo

  • @Junomybeloved

    @Junomybeloved

    Ай бұрын

    @@RobotboyX2 you know what changed since seasons 3-4? Everything Tanks rights now are assassin's that can take a lot more dmg look at ornn his main combo does 2/3 of your max HP as magic dmg(w ,r ,and passive) and when you add to it grasp, q and e He deals soo much dmg he fells like an assassin + Right now the only thing that's holding the game from tank meta is liandrys which only certain champion can buy Pls for the love of god look at old videos where fizz or other mages would build tank items and still one shot You rlly dont want another tank meta

  • @comment4t0r61

    @comment4t0r61

    Ай бұрын

    @@Junomybeloved then read my post. tanks are "assassins" because they need to be. If you cant 1 shot the enemy ADC as a tank then you cant tank anything, because the Enemy ADC 1 shots you. thats also why tanks arent playable for years now if they cant 1 Shot you. if you make ADCs damage Balanced to a degree at which they dotn 1 shot Tanks but instea slowly but surely take down tanks (as they should), then tanks can actually survive for a few seconds and "tank damage" again. --> THen tanks dont need to 1 shot ADCs anymore and you can remove damage from tanks as well. Then you also can remove dmg from bruisers and mages and so on. But atm everything in the Game needs to be able to 1 shot each other, bcs the roles that are supposed to not get 1 shoted (tanks, bruiser, juggernauts, fighter), do die way to fast by ADCs and as a result the entire Game become about burst Dmg. Because if tanking damage isnt possible then the only value a champ can provide is Damage.

  • @santiagojara8056
    @santiagojara8056Ай бұрын

    Ah yes, the Phreak cope. Lethatlity + armor pen nullifies anything a dmg character could build while still being a damage character.

  • @CD-zi6rb

    @CD-zi6rb

    Ай бұрын

    I mean not really. Most lethal items will have around 15-20 lethality. So just buying a Deaths Damce will nullify all the lethality for TWO items ad assasins end up buying. It's definetly not fun at all playing an ADC into an Assasin, but that's kinda what they were built to do in the first place. High Elos will rarely play Mid Assasin's pretty much because they're just useless if they don't get a head from your teams mistakes. The only viable "Assasin's" tend to be ones that offer utility even when they're behind or deal sustained damage like Yone.

  • @henriquepacheco7473

    @henriquepacheco7473

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@CD-zi6rb or junglers. Kha, nidalee, rengar and others have been among the best jungle picks at several points in the game's history

  • @pearse2944

    @pearse2944

    Ай бұрын

    @@CD-zi6rbyeah but if you try to get any more armour they build percent pen and you’re fucked. Most people aren’t gonna build more than one ‘resistance item’ towards a certain thing because pen is so fucking atrocious at the moment There is a reason everyone is building hp DD would nullify the lethality of two items sure but they still have insanely high AD and AH stats typically so it doesn’t effect the enemies build while building a resistance damage item completely destroys your ability to do damage in your build

  • @animeanime7849

    @animeanime7849

    Ай бұрын

    @@pearse2944If an assassin if full build with full Armor pen and lethality then they should win that. At the end of the day you aren’t a tank but especially early and mid game a some armor can go a long way

  • @bohomazdesign725
    @bohomazdesign725Ай бұрын

    The funny part is that considering how absurdly OP Marksmen are right now they could easily incorporate a tanky item or even straight up a tank item into their build and still have enough damage to kill anything, but instead of 3 autos to kill a squishy they would need 4 autos in exchange for being tanky. I truly believe that Marksmen players are the worst players in the League community. It took them a couple seasons to figure out that Ghost is absurdly strong on ranged character that need to play the spacing game (core Marksmen mechanic btw haha)

  • @Trevan2412

    @Trevan2412

    Ай бұрын

    I never took Heal for the heal, it was always about the move speed. Now I don't know why you start with ad hominem attacks, there are defensive options in the ADC item pool and we're using them. But 400 more HP won't save us against a Kha'Zix.

  • @YuYuYuna_

    @YuYuYuna_

    Ай бұрын

    "I truly believe that Marksmen players are the worst players in the League community. " Yeah you're not a hardstuck low elo support main/player at all. I always laugh reading comments like this. It's literally just "hurr durr ADC just right click and win!!" Okay play the role if it's so absurdly OP and broken and freelo. Oh right you won't because then you'd have to lane with 80% of the time a bad support that does nothing or ints your lane, pray that come 15 minutes your top side of the map isn't a collective 0/20, and pray to god you don't get tower dove on a stacked wave that you can't stop because your support has no pressure for you to be able to touch the wave. Also yeah ADCs can add randuins into their build.... when they have their 3-4 core items already and don't need anything else to survive. That's the only tank item adcs are buying. Show me an ADC that isn't below masters building thornmail, spirit visage, locket, sunfire, deadmans, jak'sho, and I'll paypal you $50. Are marksmen "strong" right now? Relately speaking sure, Jinx is a massive outlier though. The only time ADCs are 3-4 shotting squishies is if they are fed double axe draven/fed lucian/fed kaisa or it's late game and they are 4+ items in which yeah, they're going to deal a lot of damage as a class that is designed to be a strong late game carry threat.

  • @MrKykyks

    @MrKykyks

    Ай бұрын

    factually false, adcs who build defensive item lose more game because they dont have enough damage to kill the enemy team if they build defensive, and they still get oneshot from zed that will deal 2 or 3 times their hp bar depending on what def item they got you're the reason the role is shit, you think players are bad, like 20% of the league community is bad at the game, across all elos, and go on a single role max delulu always think adc are bad and doesnt understand they take ghost now cause it was buffed and heal was nerfed

  • @huntersuper98

    @huntersuper98

    Ай бұрын

    @@Trevan2412 The vast majority of players aren't using their defensive items. And 400 hp doesn't matter when you don't have any resistances. You called him out for an ad hominem but you're making a bad faith argument here.

  • @huntersuper98

    @huntersuper98

    Ай бұрын

    @@YuYuYuna_ ADC is at best the middle child of the roles when it comes to difficulty. Jungle being the hardest and mid being a close second. Support is by far the easiest and I'd argue ADC is the second easiest however I can see an argument being made for top being the second easiest. Also easy doesn't mean free LP. Garen is insanely easy to play, that doesn't mean playing him in freelo though. You're really sounding like a hardstuck high plat/low emerald player with some of these arguments.

  • @Pucnchii
    @PucnchiiАй бұрын

    lmfao i buy jack and plated shoes and i still get one shot on adc why go armor if it doesnt fucken work when i could just build more damage and maybe win its fucken insane a yumi player cant see that

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