my man with the beard driving the IPL didn't look too happy at all LOL

@fredwilliams7893

5 жыл бұрын

I will take the Infiniti! Plenty fast and I like my cars to last and be reliable!. 👍

@calvinlang7814

4 жыл бұрын

@@fredwilliams7893 I daily drive a 95 BMW.

I'd take the bimmer, the most enjoyable option for sure.

I've never really been a huge fan of Audi. But man that TT RS looks awesome!

I love how the Audi is SOOO far ahead of the others in many of the shots! ; ) Quattro FTW

The Infiniti IPL started heavy and stayed heavy. The TT RS and 1M started with great potential and built on top of an already good platform.

1 Series M Coupe is Gorgeous.... Love those flared wheel arches

how can you not love the 1M ??

I love how the host drives all three cars at the same time while calmly presenting the cars. Now that's professionalism!

I don't own a TT bro but I can tell you that I have test driven all 3: TT, TTs and the TTrs and all three of these cars handle like they're on rails when you go around corners. And they're real drivers cars....not VW Golf GTI wanna be's like the BMW 1 series.

the infinity has no business being in this comparison...sorry.

@fredwilliams7893

5 жыл бұрын

If it was a reliability contest it would have all the business being there! Those other cars are pure garbage when it comes realibility!

love the wheel shuffling , great driving...

LOL the understeer in the TT RS though!!! Driver in the vid is just cranking the wheel over like crazy and giving it throttle while the front tires are screaming for life. Those lap times will not be repeatable. That car must eat front tires for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Just test drove this car in Mass. What an amazing machine. Great engine, gearbox, handling, acceleration, and fun factor. The RS screams aggressiveness with its swollen intakes and large rear wing. However for an extra 10 grand over my 2010 TTS while sacrificing a harsh ride for more performance, I cannot see the value of upgrading. The TTS offers all of the exciting pleasures as the RS, yet you can use it everyday. Call me crazy, but im sticking with my T(I)TS.

3 nice cars , good performance numbers, different prices, decent quality, 3 furr magnets overall

I bullshitted my way behind the wheel of an orange 1m for a test drive the other month. Dealer must have been betting i was an eccentric or something because the price was $58,000, but I'm 26 and was wearing shorts, blank tshirt and hadn't shaved for almost a week! Amazing car. Amazing car. Amazing car.

I see what you're saying. But I must disagree. Forget about which car model and their performance equivalents seem to match-up. Physically, these cars fit an IDENTICAL niche. I could totally see myself comparing these in order to buy one. They do the same thing, and are the same by all parameter I can currently think of. Seats 4, around same power, shape, and volume (arguably price, too.) This match is more fitting than TTrs, SLK, and Z4M.

so 3 cars that are not even in the same class. doesnt make sense to me to "compare" them.

"the ttrs feels like a more powerful..tts" you dont say huh?

@koukicrisp The Evo's inline four is indeed transversely mounted, otherwise: - It WAS developed primarily as an AWD - It DOES have ACTIVE, MECHANIC DIFFERENTIALS (apart from its electronic diff) - It DOES have AWD suspension - It DOES have near symmetrical weight distribution - It DOES have a far more aggressive suspension configuration - It DOES and even allow you to modulate its rear-axle bias. So, the Evo and not the TT RS is the pure magic...

Looked at the TT RS, BMW M3 & Infiniti IPL for my last purchase. The RS? Nice car but I found it rather unattractive (a personal judgement) and rather uncomfortable/noisy. The BMW was wonderful but *everything* was an add-on with tons of vanity options - ugh. The IPL was a good value & very attractive but, as they say, relatively slow. Fortunately, Stillen has a kit to supercharge the IPL. The result is a car that is faster than any of these, a bit less expensive, and a great daily driver.

its car and driver guys...You already know the winner.

Would choose ttrs its just a better car on the paper and more fun

yeah the 1m isn't exactly attractive but it gives you m3 performance which is always a plus in my books. g37 is the most gorgeous car in the comparo imo.

Both the BMW and Audi are great toys and make very fun daily drivers. I have the TT RS and love every minute of it. It will be at the Dragon in april! Its also hard to beat either one's resale value currently.

I too am a self-admitted bmw fanboy and agree with you, but you gotta say... that TT is pretty cool despite what Clarkson might say...

Thirdly, since I'm a Finn, I'm European and a car enthusiast. I can tell you that the 1-series is never compared to VW Golf. Since the beginning, it's being compared to Audi A3 which is the only competitor in premium hatchback.

My local dealer doesn't mind one bit, so long as you're coherent and well composed. They see people from time to time walk in with sweats to pick up a 6 series.

This is what the comparison videos should be like.

LOL, typical Car & Driver love for a BMW as always!

Sick. Knew that 1M would win. My choice but that Audi is also amazing. Infiniti is great, i think that model is a great competitor for 335is but not really cause it'd lose against that too.

@InitialDAmine I never said that BMW make the faster cars, I said that the BMW's always prevail over the Audi's in performance comparisons. And when I said the RS4, I meant the one from 2007 and it being compared to the E92 when it was released. BMW still came out on top as the better car to drive.

@alernest Most AWD's are setup the exact same way, so I am missing your point. The EVO is setup the same way, and what it does is pure magic.

@EagleWing15 i guess they mean it doesnt require great skill to drive fast around a track or something

@311ZeroCool A few things: 1. It's the 1M....the M1 is the supercar from the past. 2. They compared the G37s because of it's price point compared to the 1M and the TTRS. All 3 cars are in a similar price bracket. 3. The M3 does not have 3x better handling and a much faster 0-60 than the 1M.....you'd be surprised bud.

@lbryan250 i think you're missing the point. the old E30 M3 was pretty easy to drive as well. In terms of ease of input (steering, clutch, brakes) and controllability when pushed hard it is no harder to drive than a modern car. The Audi (and most modern cars, even the 1Mqp to an extent) uses computers to control chassis, brakes, steering, suspension etc. to make the drive easier and less involving. some people like that, the guys from car and driver seemingly don't

@cwx8 As the video says, it's because of the launch control. 5-60mph in the Audi is 5.2sec.

Man, Im so glad the TTRS is coming here

If the TTRS ride is too stiff for you then get the "Audi magnetic ride" option. All decent cars have variable damping as an option these days and all decent journalists should know that.

I'm became Audi fan when i saw R8. I just forced myself to love other Audi but i was blind. BMW is so much better in every way possible. Can't wait for new M5. I'm BMW fan now.

I'm a BMW-fan, I own an E36 328i, but boy, the sound of the Audi is amazing.

Loving the BMW 1series, but i think the TTRS is more a fit for me the aggressive sound is what i love and handles almost as good as the BMW 1M! Great comparison. Sucks the take it down a notch on the US version.

TT 0-60 in 3.6??! Damn. That's crazy quick.

I agree to the test, specifically when they said that the Infiniti was more of a GT car compared to the BMW and AUDI which was pure Sport Cars... better they include a CAYMAN R or a NISMO 370Z instead...

@nagmashot the different between 0-60mph or 0-100km/h 4.5 or 4.6s to 3.6 to 3.9 is simple maual vs dual clutch tranmission + launch controll which works according to car magazines faultless perfect and allows the TT-RS to use every single hp and Nm of torque to be used for accleration not wasted in spinning wheels or getting lost somewere in the drive train

I don't think the Car and Driver guys are big Audi lovers to begin with.

Audi and BMW are both great cars, it bothers me when bmw fan boys and/or audi fans bash either brand. It makes no sense because they're both great car makers.

I just love the sound of the Audi

@darkkieluva it has 40% front 60% rear torque distribution, you are talking about the mechanical Haldex which worked that way in the 80s and 90s.

the 1 series M looks like it went to gim 2 years every day non stop ... all muscle the ttrs may be the fastest and will put to shame at stop lights some exotics but y would still buy the bmw if i had the money ... great review

@SuperchargerFahad infiniti is the luxury division of nissan but is considered american ( in fact US,CA & MX were the only places they sold infinitis untill last year) so by definition it is american like lexus or acura; just luxury divisions of japanese cars for american market, and most of them are built outside US.

BMW faster than audi around the Hockenheim track Porsche Cayman R PDK 1:12.4 BMW E46 M3 CSL 1:13.5 Porsche 987.5 Cayman S PDK 1:13.9 Porsche 987.5 Cayman S MT 1:14.0 BMW 1M Coupe 1:14.1 BMW E92 M3 ZCP DCT 1:14.2 Audi TT-RS Coupe 1:14.3 BMW E92 M3 6MT (Cup+ Tires) 1:14.3 Audi RS5 Coupe 1:15.3 BMW Z4 35iS 1:16.1 BMW 135i Coupe 1:17.4 And guess what? BMW has a manual trany.

3.6 SECONDS!!!?? amazing, IPL sounds like an insurance company for over 50 people

The fuck is this? The worse the car handles, the better it is??? Audi TT RS clearly FTW !!!!! It's a beauty!!! And the sound, oooooooooh (love)

The video is quite interesting as the comparison is between the top models. I have seen these cars on road they are good.

Even in dry roads those two RWD already sweating. What if the test is on wet or snow..:) another point to be made here, the 0-60mph time on the TT-RS is 3.6 sec. That number already in supercar territory. Even the big brother M3 cannot beat that.

@swansmeister

10 жыл бұрын

Its clear that you know nothing about cars. Like unabated said its not all about numbers, and even if it is the 1M/// pulled more G en was faster on the lanechange also so......Bmw steers better, looks better, is more pratical and is probably cheaper too so why wouldnt it win. Ill take the m/// above anu ttrs any day, it's a drivers car, you are only interrested in being the fastest (in a straigt line) wich tells a lot about you, you probably a douchbag.

@eivyereli2715

10 жыл бұрын

swansmeister man chill a little, no need to call people names. we're no kids (41 yrs here) you may know cars more than me, but i got 20 good years in drag racing and rally. and just FYI, did you even see my post about wet and snow?? i wasnt even talking about straight lines..lol I'm just making a point that AWD does better than RWD, if road is not dry. everyone has it's own personal taste and views about their fave cars, if i offended you, my apology. Don't get too emotion man, cheers

@swansmeister

10 жыл бұрын

ok maybe i was a bit harsh there but 0-60 time is in my opinion in a straight line or do they messure that time on a twisty line these days. Btw the tested numbers in real life of the m/// are 4.2 secs wich is a half a second slower wich isnt that much. If you have that much experience in rally driving then you must appreaciate a good steering and reacting car no? I think everybody knows audi quattro is indeed superior and sticks like glue but the best steering car in terms of reaction speed and balance and not too forget the most rewarding car to drive is the 1M///. I drive an audi s6 myself (old c5 model) and had 3 m5's before that and ill take the M/// before the S or RS models anyday, ok the traction of the audi is unbelievable definitely with my setup but the M///'s steering is so direct and precise, also its ability too consume little bumps in the road is way better then the audi's. Ok thats about it :p Didn't mean to be that harsh before but i just hate it when people use numbers instead of what a car is realy about. Cheers

@eivyereli2715

10 жыл бұрын

swansmeister No worries..I may have said over the line myself. We love our fave cars and fave brand. We know them so well that we defend hard enough to make arguments. just so you know, my experience with BMW is limited only to e30 and e92. the e30, I used to own the 325i 4door. To this day, its still one of my fave car and if I ever gonna buy BMW again, it would be e30. and for the e92, i've driven the car due to work related. With stock setup, the car still look like it's been lowered. anyway, gl man!

@Lythunder

10 жыл бұрын

Wrong statement imo. If the winner is to be decided by the paper facts, then Audi TTRS is better than its bigger brother Audi R8 which is almost 4 times expensive. There are more criterion other than 0-60 acceleration my friend.

the design of the Audi really stands out ...

@clarifaco i didnt mean to be aggresive but your statement is from your own perspective. i admit that bmw is a lot of fun, and i have driven the 3 series. however, i am a s5 owner and with the audi drive select in dynamic, it is not boring at all.

@TheEryk03 Early TT models gained press coverage for a series of high-speed accidents in Europe. Reported crashes and related fatalities occurred at speeds in excess of 180 kilometres per hour (110 mph), during abrupt lane changes or sharp turns. Both the Coupé and Roadster models were recalled in late 1999/early 2000, to improve predictability of the car's handling at very high speeds. Audi's Electronic Stability Programme, and rear spoiler were added, along with suspension modifications.

how can you possibly be sportscar testers when you hold the wheel like that?

Well the G37 is larger, I'd say a 40 year old man with a family would enjoy it more than the other cars

Infiniti= Luxury, but fun to drive Bmw= Stiped M3, with the M badge Audi= A little luxurious,Super fast and takes u places in style

@KaiserSoze7 Have you driven either of these cars? Let me tell you that DCT matter QUITE A BIT ... The base specs show they are pretty much identical : TTrs : 3320 lb / 335hp 1M : 3296 lb / 335hp (~375hp with 10sec overboost) That gives the 1M a tiny advantage, and for 0-60 / 1/4 a bit bigger one, but I will grant that the TTrs finally solve some of the issues Audi's have getting off the line. Popping a DCT in either of these cars will give you a 0.2-0.3 0-60 and 0.3-0.5 1/4 time.

The fact that the TT dosen not need a skilled driver to run fast should say it all. TT for life

The Infiniti IPL is getting an AMG based engine from Mercedes Benz which will filter down into many IPL cars by 2013. So I wont pass judgment till later down the road. IPL is so premature to judge right now, but the G37 sure is sexy. For right now the IPL G Coupe is not intended to hunt M3s. It was never meant to. The IPL G37 coupe simply provides an incremental step up in performance and style beyond products that are already badged "Sport." Its more comparable to the likes of the BMW 335is.

As for the remark that the Audi has a 'droning engine on the highway' . . WTF?? The Audi's TTRS 5 cylinder engine noise is a hark back to the great Audi rally cars of the 80's . . universally acclaimed as one of the greatest race car noises ever . . R&T you really need to do your homework!!

@TheEryk03 Car and Driver is a BMW loving company. That's why it won.

Car and Driver can't go out of their way to make enough excuses for the BMW. The TT-RS with a MT6 will still absolutely ROCK the 1M...and will do so while not looking hideous. The complaint that the TT-RS doesn't take a lot of skill to drive is a classic example of C&D grasping at straws to favour a BMW.

@TheEryk03 Obviously you don't know much either. Torsen would mean having full time AWD instead of Haldex's "Awd only when slip is detected"..

damn.. that 5 cylinder is amazing.. all torque is available at around 1500 RPMS... no wonder that thing has such a great 0-60.. the sound is just amazing too.. sounds like a mini v-10. well partially due to ti being just 5 cylinders, but it does sound mean.

idk i think i would pick the audi because the AWD will come in handy when the snow starts falling since i live in NY. the 1 series m is a slightly better handling car but i disagree with it being more practical. when snows starts falling i don't want to be sliding around like a whipped dog because of RWD. if i could i would get both lol since they are so close in performance.

Our "CLEAR" winner - nuff said btw.

you were running the infinity with the AC on......could see the light on.

Audi has got to have the best interior of the three

This review is based on DD standards. The driver enthusiast needs to pick the best car for current AND future driving needs and desires. The TT-RS wins this category because of its insanely capable RS engine. APR performance was able to slap on a 72mm turbo (prob Garret Signature Series) as well as ECU tuning and full exhaust work, and crank 600hp, 560 to the wheels. I doubt the 1M or G37 can hold that much power in the cylinders, unless you want to replace the heads or bottom lol. The TT's Qua

Compared to the TTRS and BMW i'd be ashamed to get stuck with that specific Infinity and any poll votes toward the Infinity IPL after getting slane in that match must own an Infinity.

The infiniti I think is by far the nicest inside despite not being as fast, but it's not a performance car, it's a sporty luxury car. The 370z would be a much better comparison, at a much lower price. :P

@boramkiv I believe they gave the win to BMW because it's more of a drivers car, not to say the Audi is a bad car because obviously it's not. He says a couple times throughout the testing that the Audi doesn't give a lot of feel to the driver. That's my opinion why they gave the win to the BMW, regardless of faster 0-60 and 2-mile test.

It was confirmed 3 days ago that the 2014 Infiniti G coupe will compose a 3.7-liter direct injection, twin-turbocharged V-6 that will generate upwards of 530 HP targeting the likes of the Mercedes C63 AMG and BMW M3. According to Infiniti the next IPL G coupe should be priced on par with the Mercedes C63 AMG. Mercedes Benz and Infiniti are now partners so you guys can expect similar pricing & smaller platforms from Mercedes Benz filter into Infiniti.

@jakeanglada4662

2 жыл бұрын

As a owner of a 2014 Q60... I can confirm that was a lie LMAO. Beautiful car though! love every second of it

a car such as the audi, it deserves more than 2160p

Gotta love that Tail.

My mother in law drives an M1.... Which is why I'll stick with my 911! It is a hot little car though.

so you're telling me a Civic Si coupe with Mugen package and the Camaro ZL1 is not in the same class? fuck. i was looking forward to that comparison.

The bmw 1 m couldn't look more boring if it tried. TT RS actually looks like a sports car, and has the numbers to match.

Id definitely go with the Audi out of the three if i was looking for a small 2dr coupe. Best performance and bang for your buck! The older Audi TT was definitely a girlie looking ride and with the more aggressive body styling and performance, I could definitely respect anyone who drives one. The BMW 1series is a tad fem, but its a M class so you get a pass.

@KaiserSoze7 You did not pay attention at all to the video? The TT-RS came with DSG ... 1M with manual ... 1) You do not get DSG in US, 2) BMW might not? offer DCT in 1M ... both with manual, or dual clutch, and they will be pretty much identical around that track. Part of the reason they picked 1M ... People just do not understand the advantage of dual clutch on track ... and I would bet you might be one of the people saying 'I want manual' ... well if you get manual ... then you lose ...

Audi has a turbo 5 and awd!! Why would you not! It's just a superior car. But personally that motor/sound just about does it for me.

My mom has a G37s and liked the IPL....but it's not worth the extra $15k. The Audi and the M are far above their base models and for that reason, make them more reasonable for the extra money.

That TT-RS is mighty mighty fine and beats the other two in all aspects hands down. The //M is more purist, but C&D shouldn't have knocked Audi in points because it's more technologically advanced and can help the driver in certain situations...I hate that comparison of a car helping the driver just as much as I hate when people say why spend $250K on a Lambo when you can buy a GTR for 90K and beat 99% of cars on the road. All kidding and fanboy drama aside, the TT-RS is the better car.

I'm seriously impressed by the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times of the TT RS. Low 12's in the 1/4 mile? Holy shit.. That thing will run with a base model Vette. Out of these 3 cars I'd definitely take the 1 series M coupe. The G37 IPL is nice, but it just isn't nearly different enough than the regular G37. I think they should've tested a Nismo 370z against the other cars instead of a G37. Plus you should run faster than a 13.9 when trapping 104mph. Bad driver on the launch.

@phantomgamer678 of course they are japanese; I never said they werent they have nissan engines but still they are CONSIDERED american like the buick regal which is a rebadged opel insignia or many other cars.

@Airmaster167 TT-RS doesn't have true Quattro system. it uses Haldex, just like most of the VAG-lineup.

I'd take the 1M because of its traditional BMW strait 6, 6 speed stick, and because it reminds me of both the 1980's M3 and the 1960's-70's 2002tii

The guy in the infiniti looked like he lost in rock paper scissors and couldn't drive the bmw or audi

1M as a product from BMW doesn't make any sense at all....so why have an M3 and an M4 (new product) the 1 is not a good looking car either....It's another way for BMW to overcharge North Americans for what is really BMWs answer to a Golf in Europe and especially in Germany.

@TheEryk03 technik? it shares same AWD system with Golf and such, how is that better? if it doesn't have TORSEN differential, it's not a Quattro, nor worthy of RS badge.

I'd pick the TT-RS, best sounding and looking car in my opinion.

Infiniti: We make the cars that look ridiculous or are just plain boring to look at... we make no compromise!

TT RS is the best, is a small R8, the traction quattro and his technology make it the best

0:32 Look at the drivers faces. Audi bored, BMW huge smile on the face, Infinity very bored.

BMW wins because of its over all package, the engine, the handling, and the DRIVING EXPERIENCE. Audi only has speed and the look with no real driver-road connections. Plus, this TTRS equipped with DSG and a very good launch control which will not reach America. And if you read the magazine, they said that the manual TTRS will do 0-60 exactly the same as the 1M which is not that fast after all. I will ignore the G37 here...