Damn, man. The lighting, set, filming, editing, b-roll, concise content, "on air" personality...all pro. It's like you've been doing this for 10 years. Well done. Subbed.

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I appreciate you saying that. I'm far from a pro, but I aim to keep getting better and better 😁

I like the atoll better because the part that mounts to the camera can be put into a peak design capture clip or be mounted directly to arca Swiss tripod

@gilcarag274

Жыл бұрын

This alone is the reason why I went for the Atoll version. Another reason is if you want to use the camera inverted position meaning below your tripod to have the camera closer to the ground with the Smallrig, the camera ends up upside down given the limited rotation the colar has.

this is one of the best reviews i've seen! thank you!!!

Thank you for the video and the comparisons

fantastic video. very informative. you presented the pros and cons very well

I went with the Atoll because I have 2 different bodies and I use the peak design capture clip.

Fantastic review! Exactly what I was searching for. Thanks! 🙂

Very useful review, good points noted!

Nice comparison! Thanks for sharing!

This is great!!! Never knew these existed. Will purchase immediately !!!

Excellent review and very well produced. I subscribed.

Great review! Thank you!

Really NICE way how thoroughly you described both rotator systems!! I"m a new fan and will follow you!!

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🙏🏿

Terrific review. Thank you.

Very helpful! Going to go with the Smallrig!

You are the Master of your subject. Thank you

Great review. Shd have watched your review before I bought the Atoll

Great demo & very helpful. I'm a monopod user, this will be very helpful when using a large lens. YEAH

Thanks for the comparison. I own an Atoll and glad that I bought it. The smaller size is definitely a plus for me so I can fit it in my bag better. Hope Silence Corner can add that for for lens alignment in the future

Nice comparison. I have the Ulanzi and its very similar to both atol and smallrig, just not a camera grip on the bottom and not manfrotto so it is just ARCA, which is nice.

Excellent comparison! Ordered the SmallRig.

I like that Atoll S is compatible with Peak Design Capture Clip.

Fabulous ! Tks man !

Great video! Awesome info, I have heard of these, but unsure if I really need it! I love your style! New subscriber! Im also a Sony shooter! Wildlife and landscapes!!! Looking forward to your next video!👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🙏🏿

What a great fully informed video you've made. Thank you so much. Unfortunately I have a Canon 1D X Mark III and none of the rotating collars I've investigated can accommodate the 80mm distance between the centre of the lens and the bottom of the camera. I so wish there was something as small as this and available and it's would be so convenient for my conference photography.... no having to remove the camera from the tripod head and reseating it again on the other side of the L plate.

thanks for the video, it made me realize that the Smallrig collar is the appropriate one for my needs, as it fits my manual macro rail correctly, whereas the Atoll would mount the camera sideways, making my rail almost useless.

For not having many videos or subscribers, your production quality and ease on camera is quite good. Keep grinding!

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I really appreciate you saying that 🙏🏿

thx a lot - perhaps the best review of both rotating rings with very valuable tipps about details: small rig is the evolution of the Atoll concept (as the real inventor) .. additionally in some other reviews it was mentioned that the small rig is more stable mounted on the tripod socket, it does not wobble as much as the Atoll...

A great and complete review of both for those not in the know. I got the Smallrig mainly due to all the advantages BUT the Atoll required adjusting the distance to the camera with two bolts that would require some Red or Blue Loctite because no matter how careful you are but mainly temperature variations may loosen the bolts also you have to rotate to get to the lens release button. The one downfall of the Smallrig is the order point store is in China and may take a week or more arrive and also with China flexing its muscles you may feel you are funding their side of confects a terrible weight to bear if something starts up!

thank you. great job.

Glad to see a creator giving props to Silent Corner. I have seen other companies (like Smallrig and Ulanzi) ripping of their design (as far as I know) and it's disappointing to see a company losing to knock offs. I don't doubt the QoL improvements and price makes the SmallRig version great, but I am happy to provide my money to the original creator. I won't say I won't look at alternatives if I need another but glad you gave a nod to the creators. Great video btw 👍👍

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah, copying between the camera accessory brands is super prevalent, but I hear you. I definitely prefer to support the original makers.

@AR-vf7vg

11 ай бұрын

And why did you not check out what you allege ? One would have to see, for instance, when Novoflex came first out with theirs. Then Sunrisefoto, suld be pretty easy. But up to You now.

Great vid. A couple of comments… the orientation of the plate on the SmallRig means it mounts like any L-plate would. So it’s not that foreign. The Atoll mounts like a standard lens foot. So it’s a toss up. Also one thing that wasn’t mentioned is that the alternative to this is an L-bracket but many of them get in the way of the articulating screen so these collars address that problem.

Excellent video. I also have both mounts and much prefer the SmagRig over Atoll. The singular reason why I have the Atoll is my Tamron 35-150mm because the USB port on the lens does not allow it to be mounted on ANY rotating collar except for the Atoll. In fact, Atoll specifically designed their mount to overcome this. It's great for anyone who has the Tamron but frankly compromised way too features compared to the SmallRig as you mentioned.

I have an Atoll for my Canon RP with adapters so they can fit my Olympus E-M1ii and Canon DSLRs as well. It won't fit my Sonys so I got an Ulanzi S-63 for those. Their main competition are L-plates, which are more streamlined when it comes to storage, but are fussier to work with since you have to keep locking and unlocking the mount to switch from landscape to portrait and the L-plate also blocks all the ports on the left. The rotating collars work fine once you lock down the collar to the tripod mount. Just unlock the rotating pin so it can rotate, adjust it to the position you want and you're done. No need to lock the rotation since it pretty much stays in place. You can even leave it at an angle, which you can't do with L-plates.

One benefit of the Atol is if you shoot with your tripod center column upside down, so you can get close to the ground, you can spin your camera 180° so it's right side up again. That would make messing with settings and finding buttons so much easier!

@Nickporter17

Жыл бұрын

Also I like your purple background and orangey wood / shirt color scheme.

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

Ah, interesting! I haven't tried that before. I'll have to give it a shot

Thanks! Did you know Nisi has such a mount too? Got a nice rubber inner layer to protect lenses. And a possibility to attach other accessories…

awesome video! Subbed!

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏🏿

My Atoll has detents at 90 and 180 degrees, if you consider landscape to be zero. The 90 is only in one direction, ccw - looking from behind the camera. You can get 180 turning cw or ccw. The 180 allows the monitor to be correctly-oriented if you reverse your center column to shoot extremely low angle or close to the ground. Also, there is a 1/4"-20 tapped hole to attach a Manfrotto or other QR plate.

I lost the Atol's locking screw - it has/had no total unscrew security. Luckily I had what it needed to replace it (in my "always keep unnecessary parts...". Otherwise I like it a lot. There ARE jet still other brands doing similar rotating solutions (I think Novoflex and Sunwayfoto are some one of them to check out - and stay tuned about).

I got the ulanzi version on sale during their pre order. I think it's great but it doesn't work with my tamron lens but works my other ones. If I didn't get it onsale I'd buy the falcam branded ulanzi version with the F38 baseplate built in.

So I’m browsing the Tube of You as one does and you’re video pops up, not familiar with the product so thought I’d check it out. Very interesting as sometimes use longer focal lengths but not all tele’s have a tripod foot, which means my little Fuji is having to take on all the load. I wonder if this would help? Also how exactly does this mount to the camera body and are they universal or are they camera specific? Looks like I’ll have to go off and do my own research. Lastly, props for great video production. Very informative, well lit, sound, editing, tone etc, must be in the business, very professional. Subbed 👍

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! They both mount to your camera via a quarter twenty thread and THERE ARE specific versions for different camera brands. Sorry I missed that detail. I've only ever used Sony.

Excellent video, thanks! Quick question: It seems that the Atoll S also works for Sony APS-C cameras but not so for the SmallRig one?

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I haven't tried them on an APSC camera (my a6400 is my webcam), but I think that makes sense. The smallrig has a grip extender that's tailored to the full-frame body style, which would make it incompatible with APSC cameras

thanks man

Atoll also has built in Peak capture clip compatibility.

Just gained a subcriber! Keep going!

@BrayGrayy

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏🏿 I'm hoping to get a couple more vids up before the year's out!

@JayWilsonMedia

7 ай бұрын

Me too! @@BrayGrayy

@BrayGrayy

7 ай бұрын

Nice! Just subscribed

@JayWilsonMedia

7 ай бұрын

I appreciate that! @@BrayGrayy

At first I was excited to hear about the SmallRig! But then I was sad to find out it was for Sony and not Nikon... I picked up the ATOLL as a backer on their Kickstarter for only $79 and found that it didn't with Nikon, even though they claimed it did...it would only rotate 240 out of the 360 degrees they said it would before stopping on the grip...I had to mod mine by putting washers between were the camera mounting plate attaches the ring, so it would no longer hit the grip!

@MrPhilbautista

Жыл бұрын

I got mine through Kickstarter too, but for Canon with an adapter for Olympus. You definitely got the wrong one but they did note that there were differences for different brands. There were even differences for mirrorless and DSLRs.

Future break lol. Great video

The Atoll also has the attachment for peak design capture clip.

I'd like the smallrig to have it more expandable with an l-bracket or what not type of thing to expand it out. The screen position with the turning isn't too big of a deal, I'd just want to make sure I'm in frame and then make eye contact with the lens haha. Cool comparison, I like the idea of these things.

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

I do think you can expand the smallrig, but the drawback is you won't be able to use the rotation function of the collar

Omg. I was SOLD until you mentioned the LCD screen being on the bottom when flipped toward you 🤦🏻‍♀what an oversight!! (and THANK YOU for pointing it out!) Since this is several months old I wonder if anyone knows of a lens collar that lets you turn clockwise?

@BrayGrayy

6 ай бұрын

I haven't seen any. I think the problem is the camera grip getting in the way. Honestly, you might be better off just investing in a tripod with a ballhead mount that can turn your camera vertical. In the end that worked better for me.

@slashedbeauty

6 ай бұрын

​@@BrayGrayy I have one on the way! Is that enough to hold your cam steady with larger front-heavy lenses usually? Without an L bracket?

@BrayGrayy

6 ай бұрын

I'm not sure which tripod you got, but it should be. However it's very important that whichever direction you tilt you camera on the tripod for vertical orientation that one of your tripod legs is positioned underneath it because the weight of your camera is being shifted to whatever side you tilt it to and it needs that support

@slashedbeauty

6 ай бұрын

​@@BrayGrayy Thanks so much for the reply!

Compatible with peak design clip was a huge for me

NIce vid king, looking like Kyrie Irving lol

I really like the Smallrig version but they have left Fuji X shooters out in the cold 😢 Only the Atoll has a Fuji X compatible bracket. But now we have a few other manufacturers making them.

Nice vid! Does someone know if the smallrig can be used with the sigma 24-70 f2.8 ?

It would be nice if an extension could be added in case you have a battery grip attached.

Very good review. Just bought the Smallrig for €69

Thanks my friend. Can you confirm if SmallRig is compatible with Sony A7III and Tamron 28-200mm. The inclusion of the lens release button is very interesting.

@DannyLovesana

Жыл бұрын

It is not compatible with an A7III camera. I bought it and had to return it. I tried to make it work for an entire day and it is just not compatible. When you attach the rig to the A7III camera it presses the lens release button all the time, so you can´t actually attach the lens. I ended up buying the LS-63 from Sunway photo.

do a part 2 including ulanzi

How would you propose manufacturers allow the camera to rotate clockwise? It would need to clear the grip (which varies from camera to camera) without interfering with whatever lens you might be using. The only solution I could think of would be a right-angle system that offsets the camera from the tripod head and connects to the lens mount from the left side rather than the bottom.

@StefanKamer

5 ай бұрын

Interchangeable base plates so that you can have a longer one that allows the grip to clear the tripod head edge.

Nice review. Small rig looks better but I'l stick to my L bracket. The reason is that ring takes up space between the lens and the grip, which would reduce my purchase on the grip. This may not be an issue with a small lens or with strong fingers. But for those who have a large lens or weak or arthritic fingers, the reduced ability to have a sure grip is dangerous to camera and wallet.

hey can we use small rig on sony a7iii ?

There is a newer ATOLL S+ (PLUS version). Wondering how this is

How the two collars work on he Nikon Z 6ii? As fas as I could understand, Atoll C and D collars are for Nikon Z 6ii. Does the Small Rig also have a separate collar for Nikon Z 6ii? Please educate.

Question - How many lock positions does each collar have? My understanding is that the small rig rotates at 0° and 90°. Where as Atoll has rotation positions at 0°, 90° and 180°. Can you please confirm if this information is correct? For shooting low, it would be nice to invert the tripod with the camera at ground level. Rotating the collar to 180° would place the flip screen upward. At the moment I prefer for ATOLL for this reason.

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

Correct. 90° is the furthest the smallrig rotates, while the atoll can go 180°

Would love to see how small rug works on a gimbal.

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

I might do a follow-up post on this

Novoflex makes 'these' since ages I believe. And Sunwayfoto, another example. I'm not sure for a fact though

Until they release an Adaper for Canon or Fuji, Atoll is my pick

If you have a Sony A73 then Silence Corner wins a SmallRig don't list my camera as compatible. I use a Small Rig L plate works better when sitting the camera down.

Atoll has a small extension so you can rotate it clockwise.

both great, of course small rig is the winner. it just depends where your limitation with lenses or adapters will start. Or do they have the same inner diameter?

@StefanKamer

5 ай бұрын

Only the Atoll can support all the new Tamron lenses with USB-C port. So if that's important to you, only one option. HOWEVER. If you do this. You need to push the collar far back towards the body of the camera making it annoying (but not impossible) to press the lens release button. Lenses we're talking about here are the Tamron 28-75 G2, Tamron 50-400, etc. no other rotating collar supports these lenses, full stop. If the above is a big issue, or you have even bigger lenses like a 600 or 800mm, Atoll makes the Atoll X which has a 93mm diameter. HOWEVER, in truth, if you're using a lens that big, you should probably be using the actual lens collar that comes with the lens because stability may be an issue due to a massive shift in center of gravity (even Atoll suggests this).

@ArminHirmer

5 ай бұрын

@@StefanKamer thanks, my 150-600 has its own mount :) I thought about smaller lenses

@StefanKamer

5 ай бұрын

@@ArminHirmer makes sense. Other than the super big ones the Atoll has the best compatibility of any of these brackets. In my opinion, the Atoll is the best option for most cases. If you're invested in peak design system, this is amazing for compatibility there. It's lighter weight than most other options including most L-Brackets. It's customizable and can be adjusted for supporting smaller cameras, stacking ontop of l brackets and cages, etc. and of course supports more than just Sony cameras (through different models of course). I find the smallrig and other options too limiting. Adding peak design base adds more weight and reduces the practicality of a bracket of this type. Not supporting modern high quality lenses (even nearly a year after launch) through updated versions is a big L for the others. And finally, no 180° rotation for most other than Atoll. 180° is amazing to have for if you're shooting extremely low on a tripod like with wide angle landscapes (and not have to have your camera upside down). Personally, the Atoll is perfect for me, as long as I'm not doing long exposures with my Tamron 50-400 (the stabilization in the lens is more than sufficient to handle the ever so slight imbalance). If I will (at like 300-400mm), then it's the lens collar of the lens itself 100%. Far more convenient this way in my opinion

I don't think the Atoll is sturdy enough. I have the Atoll S and used a 70-200mm lens, tried to capture full moon but can't get sharp images because it shakes. Lol. Never using Atoll again with zoom lenses. 😅😅😅

@DesertPackrat

Жыл бұрын

I use the Atoll with a 70-200 and it is just fine. The build is very solid. Your experiment was extreme and if truly problematic could have easily be cured with the original lens collar. The Atoll does not obstruct men. Using a 70-200 for moon shots: hmmm?

@ralphliguid3696

Жыл бұрын

@@DesertPackrat yeah moon shot as part of experiment and it was shaky as hell 🤣 maybe the tip is bit heavy 😅 so now I just use the lens collar for the 70-200 since it’s more steady but I still use Atoll for my other lens😅

Not being able to rotate clockwise is a HUGE problem, especially if you're using an external monitor (large 24" monitor on VESA mount) - it will always rotate the wrong way!

Does this also work with the new Tamron lenses? Doesn't the usb port on the lens bind there?

@BrayGrayy

7 ай бұрын

From what I've heard, the diameter of the new Tamrons might be a little too large. However, I don't own those lenses, so I'm not 100% certain.

@StefanKamer

5 ай бұрын

The Atoll DOES support the new Tamron lenses, but using the lens release button gets pretty tight. No other rotating collar supports these lenses.

How about the NiSi Wizard?

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

I hadn't heard of that one. It looks nice though! It looks like it will be more similar to the Atoll S than the SmallRig

What is the camera you are using for recording in this video?

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

A combination of the ZV-1 and the Xperia 5IV

Regarding the clockwise rotation, Silent Corner now offers both the Atoll D and Atoll X which provide more clearance between the ring and the camera body. This also fixes the issue of hard-to-access lens release buttons. m.youtube.com/watch?t=5m32s

@viviennenoble4035

10 ай бұрын

And I can now use my shutter release with the larger fitting. I love it.

I haven’t tried the Atoll yet but both ulanzi and smallrig versions won’t fit my tamron 28-75 g2 because the ring is so tight you can’t get the usb c port on the lens into the emount

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

Interesting....I still have the v1 of that lens and I haven't run into that issue with the SmallRig. I just checked and the Atoll collar ring is a little thinner, so it might give you enough clearance.

@BrazilPhillyCapoeira

Жыл бұрын

@@BrayGrayy does the v1 have the same usbc port that kinda drops down? That’s what seems to be causing it not to fit. I’ve never used the v1 28-75

@BrazilPhillyCapoeira

Жыл бұрын

@@BrayGrayy I can confirm after just receiving the Atoll both the Tamron 28-75 g2 and the 50-400 tamron work using it. Now comparing the Atoll to the others I can see why. Especially with the ulanzi. It uses a elevated ring that can’t be adjusted like the Atoll which is causing the ring around the censor to hit the lowered usbc port. If you have the Atoll and put it vertical you can adjust the 2 screws which allows the ring to move closer and clears the USBC ports by like 1/32 of a inch. I wish I could post photos to show the comparison but I might just need to make a video about it.

@WildanAuliaR

8 ай бұрын

⁠@@BrazilPhillyCapoeiraplease make some videos to show if the tamron 28-75 G2 can fit with Atoll, please🙏

Theres also a Ulanzi version. Are they swiss arca compatible.

@videoyoplait

Жыл бұрын

There’s a new version coming out under the Falcam brand. I tried one and what is cool about it is that on the ring is a nato plate to attach a hand grip to. I think it’s on the Ulanzi site as pre-order. Unfortunately, like with many of these things, Sony only…which sucks because I shoot Canon. The cover the lens release button is a no deal for me, so my options for Canon are limited. I did see one from Fotopro that doesn’t use a full ring, but rather 1/4 of one for a universal fit. Might try that one.

@markshirley01

Жыл бұрын

@@videoyoplait Im Sony (was nikon recently changed)

@PaulFeinberg

Жыл бұрын

@@markshirley01 Oh so you don't shoot on Potato's anymore? LOL

Smallrig loses in my opinion based on lens compatibility and weight. Atoll can fit just about every lens you can throw at it aside from some larger telephoto lenses. The new Tamron lenses with the usb-c ports are not compatible with any of the other vertical to horizontal mounts out there other than the Atoll.

Damnn they dont make the smallrig one for Canon huh? 😓

Love the Small rig, but it's not compatible with the new Tamron lens with USB.

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, some others have mentioned that as well. I only had the v1 Tamron lenses to test with and it worked for them.

Hey does SmallRig work on Sony Alpha A6400🤔

@BrayGrayy

11 ай бұрын

I think it might be a little too big. It's designed for the newer full frame sony cameras. I'm not sure if they have an apsc version yet.

@kitusan

11 ай бұрын

@@BrayGrayyThanks for replying, i just trying to figure out if their is Any L bracket that are designed to Sony alpha A6400. If I use a regular L bracket can I use a wireless mic to my camera?

@BrayGrayy

11 ай бұрын

@@kitusan Ah, I see. I'm not sure about an L-bracket, but a cold shoe relocation plate might work for a wireless mic since the a6400 has the flip up screen

Well, the Atoll is way better because it's not only for Sony cameras but also for other brands! Therefore who cares about the Smallrig version (Sony only)?

ULANZI Horizontal to vertical is better than Atoll and SmallRig. Ulanzi takes it to another level, where you can add a handle for video, like a video rig.

@PaulFeinberg

Жыл бұрын

Love my Ulanzi one I agree. Then the Falcam one even takes it a step further than that and there is another addition spot for a top handle too.

@whatthefitt

Жыл бұрын

Ulanzi’s one seems to be only for Sony system.

I have an Atoll. Terrific! But, I’ve found that if you want to use a panorama slide rail, it doesn’t work because you attach from behind. The small rig, because it attaches from the side, should overcome this. Is that the case?

Smallrig not available for Olympus cameras. Bummer

U didnt show n talk in depth about lens. Because ive read not all lens work with this because of the rig gonna hit the lens because lens too big

None of them ! I rather prefer the tripod ring, does the same movements and is cheaper 😊

@viviennenoble4035

10 ай бұрын

The tripod rings are only on long lenses though. You can put this on any size lens.

Atoll was the first and actually holds a patent on this product. Small rig copied it.

smallrig .... sony only?

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

As far as I know for now

Hi. Why does everyone of these videos from KZreadrs concentrate on Sony Cameras only.

@BrayGrayy

10 ай бұрын

Haha, I can't speak for others but Sony is the only brand of mirrorless camera I own 😅

@kevindickinson1541

10 ай бұрын

Thank you. I think I have found a good work around. @@BrayGrayy

No good to me because I am a Nikon user

@BrayGrayy

Жыл бұрын

Atoll does make versions for Nikon (Atoll C or Atoll D). I'm not sure which Nikon you have but those might be some good options.

@Twin2Lens

Жыл бұрын

@@BrayGrayy Thanks for this update