The correct response to atheism

It’s really scary that if there is no God you will find that killing other people is not wrong

@miguelatkinson

Жыл бұрын

This is just wrong there are philosophies and reasons why killing a child is wrong and none of them include a God as the reason not to

@illvminatvs3194

Жыл бұрын

It's really scary that a supernatural intangible invisible presumptive agent, rather than just your basic conscience, is the only thing that stops you from murdering your fellow man

@Bill-mq7wr

11 ай бұрын

@@illvminatvs3194a “conscience” in atheism is just a pattern of chemical reactions and electrical signals in a meat computer in a self-replicating meat robot, and murder is just a useless insignificant meat robot breaking another robot

@beanie373

11 ай бұрын

@@illvminatvs3194 But if we take the Atheistic view of there being no God, then what does Conscience matter? Is it not just a bunch of neurons firing in one’s brain? If there was no God, how would we have this pre-conceived notion that Murder is wrong? After all, it only really takes the movement of one’s tendons and muscles to swing a sword and end another’s life, like an Animal who kills another Animal. But everyone would agree that Humans are not on the same level as a Wolf or a Tiger, so what makes us different from them? A Wolf has a Conscience too, but it would not dwell on the moral and ethical consequences of say, stealing food that doesn’t belong to them or killing another animal’s babies for Food. So what makes us different from them? Because we are made in the image of God and our conscience that is within us all comes from Him. God bless, praying for you.

@redsoup2584

10 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@illvminatvs3194You see how the original comment didn't say athiests just go and kill. The original commenter said that they couldn't logically have a reason to believe that murder is objectively wrong. You can have an inconsistent moral belief, and still follow basic morals, mostly if you live in a majority Christian country.

Hey man nice content can't wait for more

@genzcatholic3366

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm actually working on a video right now that had to be put on hold until I finished my finals. I finished my last final today, so I should have a new video up soon.

The problem with this line of argument is that the atheist can always just agree and say your sense of all these things is the result of evolutionary processes programming you with useful fictions. Of course, evolutionary debunking arguments are just so stories, so all you have to do is offer an alternative story where your sense of these things isn’t fictional, and you’re at a stalemate. More cringe atheists deny the implications of their worldview and are extreme shitlibs, but there’s a substantial contingent which accepts the implication that their worldview makes life absurd, but they’ll just point out that doesn’t make it false. I’d rather tell them why they’re wrong instead of telling them they’re hypocrites for pretending things matter when their worldview says things shouldn’t matter, which itself is a fact that doesn’t matter on their worldview.

@augustineforlife

8 ай бұрын

im an atheist and i agree with you. yes, we don't have much meaning. i enjoy that for it means i can live my life how i want to. im an optimistic nihilist. its a lot of fun. let go a little.

*Left*: “us dying matters more because we are human” *Also left*: “ITS MY CHOICE TO KILL MY BABY!!!!!”

@louienasad5228

Жыл бұрын

They believe that it's okay to kill it as long as they do so before the lump of cells identifies as a human

@aguy6771

Жыл бұрын

Again, its very arbitrary what they pick and choose

@platosrepublic6965

8 ай бұрын

@@aguy6771right: don’t kill the fetus cause it’s life. Right: electric chair is fine

@Malachi-Budke

2 ай бұрын

It is. Leviticus 24:17 proves this. Also, according to roughly 1900 years of Catholicism, Holy Mother Church has been in favor of the feath penalty as a necessary part of justice, which God has called for.​@platosrepublic6965

@Ginger_Guy

2 ай бұрын

@@platosrepublic6965 are you comparing an innocent human to a convicted felon who has committed a heinous crime?

Firstly, the title is misleading, since not all atheists are or were coping in that way nor does the definition of atheism implies it. Your showing your own, personal bias. Secondly, you can argue for existence of objective morality in the atheistic world, consider Eutyphro dilemma and the possibility that good and evil exists in the very nature of things and by that inner foundation morality is actually objective, since we can explore and know the moral truths of the reality.

“Boomer” here. Love to see that Gen Z has good creators spreading the Apostolic Faith.

Long time protestant (reformed) here. I'm usually not too interested in RC publications but your channel is a nice insight into common RC perspective so I'm subscribing. I will mention though, despite the numerous theological disagreements I have with Roman Catholicism, I am incredibly jealous of your processions and sacred music. Our hymns are great but contemporary gospel music is really bad music. 😅

@frostbitemansion9610

11 ай бұрын

You should check out a traditional Latin mass! The music is beautiful

As a believer, platonic atheism completely adresses all of this issues, basically, the atheist believes in morality, ethics and the metaphysical but not in a higher mind or in the existence of the aftelife, so it's not materialism but still atheism.

@crunchybroll4731

Жыл бұрын

The only semblance of morality they believe in is the stuff they make up in their minds. Often times they say morality is based on suffering. Something is only immoral if it hurts others, however they will also agree with having gay sex. They never think that one through as to how that would cause suffering. It makes your ass bleed and you can get aids and hurt your own lineage and family members by never reproducing

@derechoplano

Жыл бұрын

Right, this is why I think platonic atheism is a more solid position for atheism. Why is it not popular then? Why is it not promoted? Because the war against religion is not about religion. It is not about God. It is about morality, it is about license. If God does not exist and platonic atheism is not true, there is no absolute morality so we can do whatever we want. And that is the goal. Morality is the enemy to kill in this war. God (and religion) is only a collateral victim. So if you don't have God but you have platonic morality, you are still bound to absolute morality. This is why platonic atheism is not popular. You don't want to get rid of God to do what you want and then ending up with moral rules derived from platonic atheism.

@internautaoriginal9951

6 ай бұрын

There’s no platonic Atheism, platonism is based in God

@damaplehound

6 ай бұрын

@@internautaoriginal9951yup, made this comment very early in my philosophy/theology journey and I've learned a lot, now I see how close platonism actually is to chrisitianity, it just lacks the actual "personal god element", so it's not atheism but it can still be viewed as such. Still, the highest "ideas" in platonism can be viewed through a theistic point of view and it would still work.

Just because we want to live in a caring world, where our suffering is inherently, mathematically wrong, doesn't mean that such feelings are evidence to it. Man has evolved to care for his species, why would the resulting feeling provide evidence for anything besides that?

@OakOracle

Жыл бұрын

Man has evolved to care for one another? That's unrealistic. BC humanity gained cultural and evolutionary advantage by killing rival tribes and taking their stuff.

@DonaldGloveruieie8511

Жыл бұрын

@@OakOracle Perhaps evolution shouldn't have been mentioned. It is a complex academic question, and is perhaps away from both of us. Besides it, God remains unproven by the desire for objective morality.

@OakOracle

Жыл бұрын

Eh, I have multiple degrees in fields such as anthropology, behavioral science, and classical literature. If you truly want to learn, you will discover.

@JoJo___821

Жыл бұрын

Appeal to Authority. Bruh at least provide an example, that’s just low hanging fruit otherwise

@OakOracle

Жыл бұрын

@@JoJo___821 Examples are readily available. I wouldn't cite credentials like that in an actual discussion, but handwaving history as a "complex academic question" and then declaring the comment moot suggests it's not really a conversation worth continuing without some form of compensation.

"in an atheistic world nothing matters" Not true, as someone who argues against atheists all the time this is not the proper representation of them. Atheism is just the belief that there is no God/God's. It doesn't make any other claims about objective morality, meaning, the nature of the universe or anything else of the sorts. You're attacking a strawman (I'm Catholic too btw)

@genzcatholic3366

Жыл бұрын

Right, but nothing mattering is a logical corollary of a lack of a belief in God. Most atheists believe that things matter. But this belief is not logically consistent with the rest of their beliefs, as explained in the video. My point was not that all atheists are secretly nihilists. I hope this clarifies what my position is

@miguelatkinson

Жыл бұрын

​@@genzcatholic3366 funny because when you look at Buddhist they don't believe in a god but they still think things matter almost as if you don't need to believe in God for anything to matter and also I don't see how not believing in God or gods leads into thinking nothing matters instead the way I veiw it we generate meaning ourselves what matters to us is what we make of things so yes atheists can have meaning it just not with a deity

@derechoplano

Жыл бұрын

@@miguelatkinson We are talking in a Western environment. This is not a book, but a short video. Of course, you can believe in absolute morality without a God. For example, platonic atheism, Budhism. These are fringes in the West. But we are talking about the atheism that the vast majority of Westerns have: materialistic atheism. This is absurd. "we generate meaning ourselves what matters to us" Yes, Hitler thought that getting rid of Jews mattered to him and the German race so it was good. With a materialistic atheist worldview, you have no grounds to condemn him. He had his meaning and you have yours.

@harrys919

8 ай бұрын

@@derechoplano i mean nazi germany was pretty christian

@poker8086

7 ай бұрын

@@harrys919 Source: trust me bro

Nice

Amen

This is such a good mix of cringe and Catholic nostalgia. This channel is definitely gonna provide a wash of shame on sleepless nights years from now.

@clouds-rb9xt

Жыл бұрын

wdym?

@zeldascottgc

8 ай бұрын

@@clouds-rb9xt that the guy posting these videos will be embarrased about them later when his brain is fully developed.

We've already arrived at the point in Canada. To them death doesn't matter if its painless...

A child being murdered does NOT have as much significance as a person drinking a glass of water, as humans evolved for the survival of their species. Murder means there is one less, likely important, person in society, drinking a glass of water does not have the same significance as that in an atheist worldview. It is not egotistical to decide that humans are more important, even if we are just moving particles. Doesn't Genesis 9:3 state "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; and just as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything." Is that egotistical? And for killing something in a quick in painless way, it's wrong both from a societal point of view, and an emotional point of view to end human life. Is your only reason for not ending human life is because God said so? Not because it's morally wrong in the first place? Now, here's a question I really want to ask you: Is this judgement attitude, or aggressive Catholic promotion aligning with Christian views? Is the constant disrespect to people aligning with Christian views? This comes from a Christian, I will tell you firsthand, that aggressive or disrespectful promotion or advertising of Catholicism and anti-atheism will NOT bring people to the faith, it will turn people away from it.

@derechoplano

Жыл бұрын

I have evolved this way but I don't feel bound by my evolution. I have got over my genes and I decide that killing children is OK Evolution has no mandatory qualities.

@Bill-mq7wr

11 ай бұрын

in an atheistic perspective, how does a self-replicating meat robot on an infinitesimally tiny planet made through accidental natural selection have “importance?” pointing out the ridiculousness of falsehood is in no way unchristian, it is a tool to get people to question falsehood

@beanie373

11 ай бұрын

@@Bill-mq7wrvery true. infinitely based comment, God bless you brother

youre so correct

I find it sad that you don't inheirently think people have value and need value given to them by the words from a book. I wish you the best.

@frank4491

6 ай бұрын

You think it's sad - but in a hypothetical situation, we're there is no God, no creator, and you just exist as a tower of chemicals and carbon, would you even have extrinsic value?

@brandonf1260

4 ай бұрын

​@@frank4491you don't, but as an athiest i still do my part to improve society. It actually makes you a worse person for needing that reward at the end of life to be a good person.

This video doesn't matter either😎

@derechoplano

Жыл бұрын

Under materialistic atheism, it does not. But under theism, it does.

This is a video about what you'd like to be true. You don't like the idea of there being no objective morality. Just because the alternative doesn't sound as good, doesn't mean that it's false. Also, what would the objective morality even be? Christian morality? Which christians? There are like hundreds of different kinds and they all believe in different moralities and they all can base it on your weird book. Because it's open for interpretation. Even with the bible as a basis, you can have wildly different perceptions of morality. Yeah, there is an overlap, but that overlap exists with sources outside of christianity too. Like you said, atheists feel bad too if a child is murdered. That's because we have all been taught that it's bad. For good reasons. We live in a society that ensures our survival. That society relies on an amount of trust between piers. You can't trust people that murder. So it makes sense to punish and exclude murderers to ensure our own survival. So it makes sense for us to see murder as wrong. Murder and other wrongdoings break trust. Breaking trust breaks community. Without community in the past, survival would have been harder. So people that were able to trust each other and for communities could survive easier. Evolutionary morality. It's not that hard to comprehend. It's also not objective morality. It just explains common overlap in different moralities

@genzcatholic3366

Жыл бұрын

My point was not that an absence of objective morality would be bad, therefore God exists. My point was that morality is impossible in an atheistic worldview, yet Atheists act as if morality is true anyways. Also, Christians disagree. But that doesn’t mean they’re all wrong. If I asked three people “what temperature is it outside?”, one of them says 45 degrees, the other says 86 degrees, and the other says -4 degrees, can I then conclude that temperature does not exist because people can’t agree on it? There is an objective temperature of things, even if people can be wrong about it. And there is an objective morality, even if people can be wrong about it. Also, you’re still operating under a framework of objective morality being true. Why is it better for humans to survive? Is it better because it’s objectively better? Or is it only better because we made it up, and for no other reason? If it only matters because of evolutionary feelings, then it would be true that the worst crimes imaginable have no greater consequence than me drinking a glass of water

@ljossalfsindri4617

Жыл бұрын

@@genzcatholic3366 Morality is still possible in an atheistic worldview. It's just not anything supernatural or objective. It's about what we want the society that we live in to be like. We don't need some long dead guy to tell us what he thought his god thought what's right and wrong. Morality is a natural function of society. Ok, yeah, but how do you know which christians have the right god given morality? They all claim to have it and they all can base it on your book. There is no thermometer for which christians are right. It's like having these three people telling you the temperature, but you don't have any way to measure it with a thermometer or to go outside to feel for yourself. I'm not operating under objective morality. I'm not saying that survival is morally good, I'm saying that people who developed a morality were able to live in groups and were therefor more likely to survive. I'm saying that people who couldn't operate under some kind of morality were excluded from the group and died without procreating in most cases. Survival is not morally better, but only people that could live in groups could procreate and give their genes and knowledge that link to a sense of morality to their kids. Like, this is how morality could have formed naturally without a god. And sure, that way things don't matter in a supernatural sense. But they still matter. They matter to the people whose lives one affects, they matter to oneself and how your own actions affect your own life. They matter for overall society. If murder is seen as wrong by most people, murder is less likely to happen to you or your loved ones. Everyone benefits from that. And acting good and compassionate still has a function. It forms new bonds with new people. Like yeah, you think if an atheist doesn't know that child, why would they be upset if it dies so why would they intervene? There are still many reasons to do so without a god. Firstly, you reinforce that murder is seen as wrong, setting an example for everyone who hears about that story. Secondly, you now have an opportunity, to form a strong bond of mutual care with the family of the child further strengthening your personal community. It might seem cold to put it in those functional terms. But it really isn't. Those are just reasons why it makes sense for us to have the emotional responses, that we have without some supernatural power having to dictate them to us. Like, nobody is standing there infront of that murderer, making these cold calculations. These calculations are just the line of reasoning that leads us to how it might be evolutionarily benefitting for us to be able to form a morality and act emotionally if someone acts out of line with this morality.

@UEU_555

4 ай бұрын

best comment

So what you are saying is you don't think anything would matter if morality isn't commanded or pronounced from a God. As if you can't think of any good reasons to be moral without a God, I think this probably reflects more on you than anyone else.

@genzcatholic3366

2 жыл бұрын

No, that’s not really my point. I’m sure you can think of lots of reasons to have a sense of morality without God. But other people will have conflicting senses of morality. And neither of you can prove that either of you are right because you’re both just pieces of matter making things up and deciding that they’re true. You can have 1,000,000 reasons to be moral without God. But not a single one of those reasons actually matter in an atheistic world.

@Vatican_Banker

Жыл бұрын

This can be distilled down to a power struggle between what you think is moral vs what I say. I’m going to shoot you in the head - oh you don’t like this? Well I do. Checkmate

Sorry for commenting a year late. What you are demonstrating here is simply that if god does not exist then morality does not exist either; you are not proving that god exists. Just because you don't like a conclusion doesn't mean it's false: the argument "god doesn't exist therefore morality doesn't exist either, then god must exist" is equivalent to saying "The doctor said I have a malignant tumor, I don't want to die so the doctor must have misdiagnosed." If you're not trying to prove the existence of god with this video then I genuinely don't understand what else is needed other than to say that atheists live with an ethic that even they don't understand; which is the case for the rest of humanity it seem, christian included. Having said that morality is not an easy subject and neither I, if I have to be honest, don't know it that well. One can see ethics in its historical context and also as a social contract between the parties concerned. Obviously this doesn't sound great but it seems that is what often happens. However, a morality can be built on postulates such as avoiding making other human beings suffer and trying to tend towards prosperity and rationally arrive at the desired result. There must not be a god or a law of the universe to allow us to do this, the consent and understanding of the civilization in which one is inserted is enough. It must also be considered that human can be altruistic for evolutionary reason and therefore we are not always selfish. Finally we have to ask ourselves if the Christian god is truly moral, because he doesn't seem just to me. Sorry if i have a bad english it is not my mother leanguage.

@resvero8342

Жыл бұрын

God is existence, the rational, unified existence from which all other assistance is derived. That bs you call morality is utter nonsense, either somethings follows our purpose in which case it is moral, or it goes against it and is evil. Nobody cares what you think, if the source of existence is not rational then we can't have a purpose and so there is no morality. If there is no purpose then I will do whatever I want, "human rights" and "consent" be damned

@lorenzocrespi6668

Жыл бұрын

@@resvero8342 Ok than do what you want and go to prison since the rest of society, religious or not, will not enjoy having you around. Social morality is relative but not bs as you say, it can do very concreate things. Also what if god is actually against us and our pourpose in the universe is against our well being? Everyone think god is antropocentric but what if he is not? Also correct me if i am wrong because i am not sure but your definition of god is more or less the same of that of Spinoza, am i wrong? in which case spinoza's god is totally different from any other deity and one may even say it is not a god. Either way it isn't important it is just curiosity. Anyway i don't think we need a pourpouse given by a sort of logos to have at least relative morality. Indeed it seems to me that all sort of society have their own form of ethics.

@Juan-qu4oj

Жыл бұрын

He wasn’t proving God exists he was just proving by atheist standards good and evil (morality) do not exist and are just man made social constructs.

@lorenzocrespi6668

Жыл бұрын

@@Juan-qu4oj Than i may be fine with it

@vinnyv949

Жыл бұрын

@@Juan-qu4oj exactly. This is a “morality is completely subjective without God video” and not a proof of God apologetic. Because regardless of the logical points you may raise to construct an objective moral code without God someone can just say it I don’t care or disagree. And there’s no ultimate arbiter to punish him/her. Morality is basically based on majority vote and will differ between cultures and even people within a culture. Laws only matter because we have an ultimate government to declare they do and enforce them. An in anarchic state people can cry all they want about morality but no one has to care as they won’t be punished and can just disagree with your protests. But it’s worse because if atheism is true then we don’t have souls and are just animals. And there’s no moral system in the animal kingdom. It’s as ruthless and merciless as anything on earth. Atheist delude themselves that they matter when their own belief system says they don’t and it’s egocentric to believe humans are better or the center of anything. Who cares if you live another second or die right now without God? So you can experience more pleasure in your chemical meat-bag soulless body? That’s completely objectively valueless. But then again everything is subjective without God so they can do what they please I suppose.