Always remember the brave protesters at Tianneman in 1989. I was a student at the time and participated in the candlelight vigil.

@irefusetopaytaxes7558

5 жыл бұрын

This. Comment has been removed by the ccp

@vickyp8000

4 жыл бұрын

I am watching you. Keep your mouth shut.

@huwantamad343

4 жыл бұрын

Hail d red china

@thomasbows1484

4 жыл бұрын

@@vickyp8000 Taiwan number one wumao fuck

@thomasbows1484

4 жыл бұрын

@@hen8527 that's because your a deaf little pink.

Thanks all brave journalists, you did a great and important work

Thanks, Mike, thank you

The truth has started to unveil. Let's see what's going to happen in 3-5 years.

This is so important, the Chinese have to be reminded of this just as much as Americans. I earnestly hope we can heal any gap between our people.

Floyd's death was four years ago, and half a century has passed since Martin Luther King shouted the slogan "I Have a Dream." I don't know when the justice that belongs to us will come.

@raevj

23 күн бұрын

He died of a Fentanyl overdose, it was not from anything the cop did…it just goes against the media narrative, so they will not tell everyone they messed up the story.

Thank you for recording the true history!

非常感谢！非常珍贵的历史记录。感谢西方记者们的付出！

"We must fight for justice and never give up." This is the voice of every person of color who hopes to survive in the United States.

After so many years I have read and watch the documentary from the western media and even wiki regarding this incident I always thought it should be the correct answer of the history When Hong Kong riot happen, this tiananmen incident have become a popular topic on the internet with massive scale of coverage which I find kind of odd. Someone on the internet have share the eastern media documentary very old video footage regarding this tiananmen incident and it is totally different aspect and different angle and different data. Which side of story should I believe? I think I will believe both because the report is done base on the reporter angle and aspect so I respect both. Well what I learn is the so call freedom of press have simply become selective of press to achieve certain of interest could it be eastern or western media. Peoples tend to say propaganda a popular word right now for news media. History should be a fact story for us to understand, learn and analyze not to use it as reason to judge, blame or shame. It is a history and lets look forward. The world is changing, the countries is changing not the same 3 decades ago. Whoever stuck with this tragedy please wake up. Lastly this collabo journalist interview is great and fill in some gap for me to understand more about the history.

@Kevin_102

3 жыл бұрын

Actually there was no massacre that night. Most of the killings probably happened in other places outside of the square.

@WLHS

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kevin_102 mate, you got yourself a nice name Kev, I’d love to see the evidence that convinced you. Here’s an eyewitness account. kzread.info/dash/bejne/nYF_2NqDXa3ZY6Q.html

@WLHS

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/nYF_2NqDXa3ZY6Q.html

Thanks for letting us know the truth.

Good job team. I am proud of you.

Please check "Operation Yellowbird" during the Tiananmen Square

@wheresmyeyebrow1608

3 жыл бұрын

This is a bad thing?

@johnjohnsonsvideoarchive6883

3 жыл бұрын

" participated in the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 to escape arrest by the Chinese government by facilitating their departure overseas via Hong Kong" What's your point? That's not a bad thing.

@Rakkasan06

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnjohnsonsvideoarchive6883After the protest China went into National Lock Down and try to arrest the protesters. How does a Hong Kong politician and bunch of "Businessman" know who to look for and how to evade China's national security agency?

@johnjohnsonsvideoarchive6883

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rakkasan06 Money. Politicians & Businessman have a shit ton of it and wanted to help the protesters, of a country *they don't like* . It's not exactly rocket science

@user-kr7qy2mr3v

Жыл бұрын

@@johnjohnsonsvideoarchive6883 yes，i agree。money is the biggest problem。

Not only Floyd, but we black people also often feel "can't breathe." We should not forget him.

I'm sick and f****** tired of KZread turning off comments on controversial videos.

Damn D D Wong straight thunder doggin that reporter and dats fax

We will miss you Bernard Shaw.

Happy 35th anniversary of crushing an American failed color revolution in Tiananmen Square, Beijing, China. 🎉🎉🎉🎉 熱烈慶祝中國大陸在北京天安門廣場成功粉碎美國失敗的顏色革命的35周年 🎉🎉🎉🎉

too much of interviews , cant follow the objectives of your sharings on Tianamen Squres n what u r focus on!

Yes, Virginia... CNN was once a respected news channel before it went left and drove off the cliff.

@Liverpoolboy01

3 жыл бұрын

W.s, fox will be proud of you 💤🥱💤🥱💤

@WayneTwitch

3 жыл бұрын

Same with NBC

The journalistic integrity is incredible

According to Stapleton Roy, the American ambassador to China(1991-1996), the rioters at Tiananmen Square had gone 'too far' and there is no genocide in Xinjiang province in his speech at Pomona College, California on Sept. 2020.

@Zach.3246

Жыл бұрын

Lol ok

? Lol..its always been confusing to me why people are surprised the things people can do when completely drunk. When all ambitions/fear is gone? Usually with Alcohol. It's ez

20:40 I love this story haha

Four years on, has Floyd's death changed America? Not really! The persistent problem of racial discrimination in the United States is still deeply entrenched.

Yes, it' true. A true history of China that the massacre conducted by ccp in that square.

@IhateCCP

4 жыл бұрын

i wore a 'remember tianaman square massacre' t-shirt. the mainland chinese students in US was furious. Saying I have wrong history.

@sneakycheeky531

4 жыл бұрын

@@IhateCCP you do have the wrong history . no one was massacred in the square its already proven lol

@IhateCCP

4 жыл бұрын

@@sneakycheeky531 lol

@sneakycheeky531

4 жыл бұрын

@@IhateCCP even the people in the square said so lol. only chai ling lied about it and this is chai ling kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z5OTp7Wim8-nYaQ.html

@sneakycheeky531

4 жыл бұрын

@@IhateCCP enjoy being a disposable pawn :)

Even more now than ever Never forget Tiananmen Square. Back Hong Kong, Back Taiwan, Back Tibet, Back the Uighurs, Back the Falun Gong.

@user-kk2tc4he4v

4 жыл бұрын

支持你 妈 笔。

@hailiangchen9388

4 жыл бұрын

back nimabi

@vaggelisvaggelis8218

3 жыл бұрын

we back the ccp as the 93 % of the chinese people do according to a harvard university research. We back the US people and all the peoples of the earth against the US regime

@dannyib94

3 жыл бұрын

@@vaggelisvaggelis8218 hey can u give me some links to Chinese perspective of tianamen sq? Like soldiers being burned alive stuff KZread ai NWO imperialist west propaganda algorithm won't let me see!

@enthufm

3 жыл бұрын

@@dannyib94 worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/amp/ blog.hiddenharmonies.org/2012/05/30/lets-talk-about-tiananmen-square-1989/ Here are some links that offer a different narrative/ perspective about what happened in Tiananmen. Cheers.

@ISqo SEE THIS THE WHOLE SHOW.. AND YOU TELL ME WAS THIS MAKE KNOW TO YOU BY WESTERN MEDIA? @iP3Q SEE THIS THE WHOLE SHOW AND YOU HAVE TO ASK WITH ALL FAIRNESS IF IT HAPPENS IN USA, WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL ARMY BE SENT IN. LOOK AT THE CURRENT PROTEST. YOU TELL ME ?

I do believe after watching this terrific presentation that 'THE MEDIA' died in the year 2000 approx 10 or so years after this event. I sort of remember this happening and the bravery of the journalists and the students of China. We don't have that today at all and it's a shame that journalists today are just mouth pieces for the corporate elites that tell them what to say, so sad to see how time has treated this field. And the Chinese people have all but forgotten this chapter in history. And what ever happened to 'TANK MAN..' Brave soul......

@lagrangewei

2 ай бұрын

tank man stop a tank from leaving beijing. think about that... he wasn't protesting their entry, it was opposing them leaving...

Mike Chinoy is the original Borat

George Floyd--A life from "I will change the world" to "I can't breathe"

mark.

I remember seeing a CNN broadcast where a protester is playing a guitar and singing Country Roads! Every June 4, 1989 Country Roads is on repeat! Another video. Where are you going? To march at Tiananmen Square. Why? Why do you think, It’s my duty!!

after 35yors，Chinese still struggle with ccp system🤷‍♀️

In 1989, the students in Tiananmen square are eager to eat the launch(cakes ,coca cola) from US and now the US president is worrying of fighting for launch with China.

@eden5260

3 жыл бұрын

What does that even mean ? There's a mcdonald's every 3 blocks in the US don't worry

too many interviews break up the integrity of the assignment

They got the shot of tank man being safely dragged away by passerby and they didn't want to show it here. Sneaky, Sneaky. 😠😡 Instead they insert a fast line at 1.15.12 (some people came, they grap this guy, they ran off) It was so fast that is was hard to make out. Shady, Shady, Journalist. With sinister motive. Shame on you all. 👎👎

At the turn of spring and summer in 1989, from the middle of April to the first ten days of June, a small number of people took advantage of the tide of school to set off a planned, organized, and premeditated political turmoil, which developed into a counter-revolutionary riot in the capital Beijing. Their purpose in instigating unrest and riots is to overthrow the leadership of the Communist Party of China and overthrow the Socialist People’s Republic of China. The occurrence and development of this turmoil and counter-revolutionary riot has a profound international background and domestic social foundation. As Comrade Deng Xiaoping said, “this storm will come sooner or later. This is determined by the international climate and China’s own microclimate. It must come and will not be changed by people’s will. “. In this struggle, which concerns the life and death of the party and the country, Comrade Zhao Ziyang made a serious mistake of supporting the turmoil and splitting the party, and he was responsible for the formation and development of the turmoil. In the face of the extremely severe situation, the Party Central Committee has made correct decisions and adopted a series of decisive measures, which have won the firm support of the whole Party and the people of all ethnic groups in the country. The older generation of proletarian revolutionaries represented by Comrade Deng Xiaoping played an extremely important role in winning the victory of this struggle. The Chinese people’s Liberation Army, the armed police force, and the public security cadres and police have made important contributions to stopping the unrest and quelling the counter-revolutionary riot. The broad masses of workers, peasants, and intellectuals persisted in opposing the turmoil and riots, closely united around the Party Central Committee, and showed a high political consciousness and a sense of responsibility as a community. Now, I am entrusted by the State Council to discuss the situation of this turmoil and counter-revolutionary riot. We will report to the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress on some of the situations that have taken place in Beijing, as well as the work to stop the unrest and quell the counter-revolutionary riot. www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/

How it is related to today is covered in my forthcoming book, The Trouble With China.

Moving records

This should never happen again. Awesome reporting.

Why do soldier's get medals 🤔 Because the man knows SHINNY SHINNY WILL DO 🤔

@petergriffingaming2994

3 жыл бұрын

lol I like that

@francishughes6313

3 жыл бұрын

@@petergriffingaming2994 😏

@francishughes6313

3 жыл бұрын

What's the first thing the MAN gives you when you SOLDier soul's 🤔 DOG TAGS 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 FUCKING DOG TAGS 😆 you SOLDier soul's and the very first thing the MAN gives you is DOG TAGS 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 . well you get what you deserve .

Never forget those who were fighting for their freedoms...a solemn day

They say there's no atheist in fox holes 🤔 THATS RIGHT THEY ARE NOT THAT STUPID , OR SOULLESS .

After 20 years, I am wondering how the protestors think about it again, anyone?

@peterhuasun

3 жыл бұрын

Well, I happened to have been one of those Chinese students during the protest, and I have since immigrated to the US. I have been a US citizen for over 20 years now. My view is that it was an utter tragedy, but I have to say it was far better than the alternatives. The protesting students themselves were very naive, and the protest leaders were mostly incredibly corrupt. If the protesters had come to power, China would have found itself in a civil war, with millions of people dying miserably. Just look at what happened in the Soviet Union 2 years later.

this is about journalist and very little about the massacre

@sapienssapiens35

4 жыл бұрын

Here are the Droids you were looking for kzread.info/dash/bejne/oWSgycVtlrrRh6w.html

I can’t imagine that Floyd has only been gone for four years. How many “George Floyds” have there been in these four years?

As a Chinese ,we all konw it was really. ButI think the government has done enough restraint, because this incident is a hundred times more serious than the Capitol Hill incident in the United States.But I am curious, why people condemned the government in this incident, and condemned the mob in the Capitol incident? Why are the "democrats" besieging Tiananmen Square and the "thugs" besieging Capitol Hill? I am still a student, born after 2000.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests

@ste6826

3 жыл бұрын

Because in Tiananmen Square it was the government (CCP) that was violent towards the protestors despite weeks of peaceful protest (they even had mini debates and made decisions based on majority votes which showed their incredible maturity and patience, opposite to the CCP which even groomed and lied to their own army that there was a violent revolution to be crushed when none existed), while in Capitol Hill it was a flash mob led by Antifa (pretending to be Trump supporters) that orchestrated the violence for the TV cameras, while even the Capitol Hill police bizarrely waved in the protestors into the building via side entrances.

@lagrangewei

2 ай бұрын

@@ste6826 no, read the US embassy report the day before the crackdown, many unarmed soldier were attacked and killed, their bodies burn and hang on the street, there are literally picture of this happening. once the protest start killing people it not a protest anymore, it a mob. yet the western media never reported the truth. the western media is corruption, evil, and dishonest. #FAKENEWS #CIA

READ MORE: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJ562bONkqu_e84.html

When we look at the colossal achievements China has made with it pluralist economy with 1.3 million mouths to feed we can get Tiananmen Square into proper perspective. Sure, it was a tragedy for those who died, students and soldiers, but history often moves forward painfully. China has its legacy of terrible tragedy: the horrendous famines that occurred there in 1810-49 (45 million); 1850-73 (30 million); 1876 -79 (13 million); 1907-11 (25 million), and those far outweigh the suffering at TS. Add to those the floods and earthquakes, the failure of the Great Leap forward and the Cultural Revolution. Only Sinophobes would deny China its proper due for all it has achieved in the past three decades.

@IhateCCP

4 жыл бұрын

that's revisionists apologist for a massacre.

@svendbosanvovski4241

4 жыл бұрын

@@IhateCCP What part of it isn't factual?

@thetrinh4269

4 жыл бұрын

SvendBosanvovski Leo Liu yeah, you can find it online and we learned about it in my history class. Can’t say the same about Tiananmen Square with the Chinese people. Ask a Chinese citizen about this in China or search about it over there, you’ll get nothing. Difference between free press vs communism regime. When facts are hidden, history can easily repeats itself. Look at Hong Kong, just wait...

@svendbosanvovski4241

4 жыл бұрын

@@thetrinh4269 Don't get carried away with the assumption that all is well at the heart of capital. The US, although a great and wonderful influence in many profound ways, is not without its human rights issues. From the lynchings in the late 19th century through to the 60s, political assassinations, poverty and homelessness, the corrosive political institutions, the largest incarceration rate of any major nation, a very poor welfare safety net, diminishing educational opportunities, wealth and income inequality - many low paid workers get less than the poverty line - and so on.

@thetrinh4269

4 жыл бұрын

SvendBosanvovski I never made an assumption that all is well with capitalism. I’m quiet aware there are flaws, like any system. In the end of the day, you just have to ask your self which system is inherently less evil.

西方媒体扮演了什么角色，这些人有脸说平和和正义，整个80-90年代整个世界媒体都是西方掌控，东欧剧变，苏联接近解体，这是西方所谓民主自由颜色革命大胜利的时期，在这个关键时期，他们怎么可能放过当时社会和经济矛盾突出的中国，89事件是中国至关重要的事件，如果当时政府妥协了，以后的中国将永远不能摆脱西方资本，思想在中国的影响，共产党甚至会像苏联那样丢失政权，最严重的就是造成分裂，社会阶级断层，当时的中国经济很糟糕，没有资本玩西方的那种民主政治，西方特别是英美的民主基金会推动整个89六四事件的发展，他们是最可耻的人

我是一位中国学生，我想说的是今天中国的青年对这些已经不再关注了 I am a junior high school student from China mainland ，I want to tell you guys that most of teenagers in China don't care this

@jaredgarbo3679

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@WayneTwitch

3 жыл бұрын

You should care these people died to try and give you freedom

@angusyates828

Жыл бұрын

They should.

89 6月19號 美國做了些什麼

@kcirtapecreip4155

4 жыл бұрын

"what the United States did on the 19th of June 1989"....? I guess you are saying all we did was report, or what? At least CNN wasn't communist back then

CIA senior bush was there? Again just like in JFK? wow

WHATS ABOUT AMERICAN NATIVE ??? WHERE R THEY NOW ??? 6 FT UNDER GROUND !

@eden5260

3 жыл бұрын

And do you think that isn't learned in amrican schools that it is banned from t.v , that people are trying to justify and twist against the natives . What type of a cheap argument is that. "You have murder in your history so don't judge me for murder"

@WayneTwitch

3 жыл бұрын

FAKE NEWS NATIVE AMERICANS GET TAXED FREE LAND HERE IN AMERICA AND EARN $1500 a month is they are even only 1/2 NATIVE GO LEARN

Kent state shooting

@brennencox516

4 жыл бұрын

context requested

@thetrinh4269

4 жыл бұрын

Leo Liu yeah, you can find it online and we learned about it in my history class. Can’t say the same about Tiananmen Square with the Chinese people. Ask a Chinese citizen about this in China or search about it over there, you’ll get nothing. Difference between free press vs communism regime. When facts are hidden, history can easily repeats itself. Look at Hong Kong, just wait...

@brennencox516

4 жыл бұрын

@@thetrinh4269 nothing about the idea of communism states it must/should be ruled in an authoritarian style. It just happens that every communist state has been led that way. The PRC's constitution states there shall be freedom of speech, and freedom of the press, but that right has always been suppressed. Their constitution also says that Taiwan is part of the PRC, so legally speaking, it's worth as much as toilet paper.

@lagrangewei

2 ай бұрын

@@thetrinh4269 the chinese know more about tiananmen than you do. your narrative is just wrong which is why they disagree with it. the protest isn't about democracy, they were singing communist song because they don't want capitalist reform deng xiaoping was pushing for. but it had to be done, people have to lose their job, the market has to be liberated, that was the only way for chinese people to have a good life which they do today. ending the protest was the right choice especially after mob has already murdered unarmed soldier. the soldier did not start the fight, the US embassy reported on the killing of soldier the day before, they KNEW the day before that the government must take action to avoid more people from getting killed by rioters. a protest is no long a protest once people start dying, the Trump insurrection is an example of it. you don't threaten the police and expect not to be shot and charged.

law and order is the most important matter in any time. riot should be tamp down , in this way most people could be protected. look back 1989, when I was young, I don't think this kind of movement is right.

@Liverpoolboy01

3 жыл бұрын

b.W.. that’s right do as your told and keep any opinion to yourself?

@lagrangewei

2 ай бұрын

@@Liverpoolboy01 ya the white man always tell asian not to speak, that the white man get to write the history book and lie about historic event. it is how the white man control the world.

the man in front of the tank demonstrate CLEARLY the restraint of the Red Army. if it was a massacre what is one more man?

@thomasbows1484

4 жыл бұрын

that man has been missing ever since that video was taken. I'm almost 100% sure the Chinese secret police murder him. There is your restraint.

@enthufm

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasbows1484 so is this still speculation? I wonder why would you reply with something you are not even sure and have no proof of?

@thomasbows1484

4 жыл бұрын

@@enthufm because the whole world has been looking for him but he's missing.... it explains its self.

@enthufm

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasbows1484 explains what? So anyone that the whole world is looking but is "missing" is murdered by secret police? Do you see how ridiculous this sound? It does not prove anything.

@thomasbows1484

4 жыл бұрын

@@enthufm strange though, and China has plenty of missing doctors recently.

This is sooooooo objective , one or two Chinese people among an all American cast... in the video about their historical event. Unbiased PLUS! Let me get a bunch of Aboriginals now to talk about US politics....sounds about right.

@thomasbows1484

4 жыл бұрын

your right, a nice bit of murdering your own children, painting your own streets with blood of their own people. sooooo objective.

@jasonpfeilsticker5692

3 жыл бұрын

wumao

@abc-hi6df

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonpfeilsticker5692 USA dog

@jaredvennett4036

3 жыл бұрын

@@abc-hi6df brainwashed piece of shit. Keep defending your shit government and your beloved Xinnie the Pooh. All the students who died in 1989, are rolling in their graves because of disgraces like you.

@abc-hi6df

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaredvennett4036 STFU dog. Go fetch, ya master throw you a bone loser!

搞一个摸仿纽约自由女神的雕像完全是自取其辱！知道为什么吗？1882年美国国会通过”排华法”（Chinese Exlusion Act），知道这个法想干什么吗？就是不准中国人移民！纽约自由女神的雕像是 1884年建成的。干什么的？欢迎移民来美国。讽刺吗？

先正视自己，再评论他人，美帝国！

@cuscardo

3 жыл бұрын

not american...China is a dictatorship...you should be ashamed to lick authoritarian boots you coward

@user-vt6xl3tj7e

3 жыл бұрын

五毛添主子来了

@christinedowd1820

3 жыл бұрын

China BRI is new imperialist regime. Minerals from Africa, tech and pork from US, milk from New Zealand, etc.....

@halogeek3784

2 жыл бұрын

你的社交信用从中升起了多少？

印第安人怎么样了，黑人又怎么样了，200多年的国家对5000多年的国家指指点点？！👎👎👎

@zimmywang5843

4 жыл бұрын

中华人民共和国到现在也就71年... are you still okay?????

@J-G-S-F

3 жыл бұрын

Zimmy Wang 说的对、中共代表不了5000年

@christinedowd1820

3 жыл бұрын

Long live ROC!

@user-gk6rz3yz7t

3 жыл бұрын

智障

@halogeek3784

2 жыл бұрын

你的社交信用从中升起了多少？ 矿井需要改进

US liars lol

@halogeek3784

2 жыл бұрын

你的社交信用从中升起了多少？ 矿井需要改进

"We must fight for justice and never give up." This is the voice of every person of color who hopes to survive in the United States.

Not only Floyd, but we black people also often feel "can't breathe." We should not forget him.

Floyd's death was four years ago, and half a century has passed since Martin Luther King shouted the slogan "I Have a Dream." I don't know when the justice that belongs to us will come.

Four years on, has Floyd's death changed America? Not really! The persistent problem of racial discrimination in the United States is still deeply entrenched.

George Floyd--A life from "I will change the world" to "I can't breathe"

I can’t imagine that Floyd has only been gone for four years. How many “George Floyds” have there been in these four years?

"We must fight for justice and never give up." This is the voice of every person of color who hopes to survive in the United States.

"We must fight for justice and never give up." This is the voice of every person of color who hopes to survive in the United States.

Not only Floyd, but we black people also often feel "can't breathe." We should not forget him.

Not only Floyd, but we black people also often feel "can't breathe." We should not forget him.

Not only Floyd, but we black people also often feel "can't breathe." We should not forget him.

Not only Floyd, but we black people also often feel "can't breathe." We should not forget him.

"We must fight for justice and never give up." This is the voice of every person of color who hopes to survive in the United States.

@wngmv

22 күн бұрын

This was our fight against a brutal dictatorship. Can you just for once not make it something about the US?

Floyd's death was four years ago, and half a century has passed since Martin Luther King shouted the slogan "I Have a Dream." I don't know when the justice that belongs to us will come.

Four years on, has Floyd's death changed America? Not really! The persistent problem of racial discrimination in the United States is still deeply entrenched.

George Floyd--A life from "I will change the world" to "I can't breathe"

I can’t imagine that Floyd has only been gone for four years. How many “George Floyds” have there been in these four years?

I can’t imagine that Floyd has only been gone for four years. How many “George Floyds” have there been in these four years?

I can’t imagine that Floyd has only been gone for four years. How many “George Floyds” have there been in these four years?

I can’t imagine that Floyd has only been gone for four years. How many “George Floyds” have there been in these four years?

@bobjensen4051

22 күн бұрын

While You completed your work,you could get bed rest in your cell.😂I know who you are.

"We must fight for justice and never give up." This is the voice of every person of color who hopes to survive in the United States.

Four years on, has Floyd's death changed America? Not really! The persistent problem of racial discrimination in the United States is still deeply entrenched.