We also have a great Grey transformation for House Manderly itself as well, being they relocated from the Reach to The North.

Brilliant tracking the Grey King’s Throne. And all this Merling/ Ironborn/ Braavos/ Manderly ties and water-based resurrection.

@sophiawilson8696

5 жыл бұрын

the broken swords what is that about?

GRRM is almost certainly well versed in comparative mythology. I'm pretty sure he's read the work of George Dumezil for instance. The wiki article on him is terrible, as usual, but I guess it's a starting point: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Dumézil In short, Dumezil"s main idea was that there was a common thread in most Indo-European myths, that thread being the trifunctional structure of Indo-European societies: king - priest - warrior. It's interesting to note that the warrior class is almost always represented by two distinct types of warriors: the clever one and the strong one, like Athena and Ares for instance, or Arjuna and Bhima in the Mahabharata (Bhima, the strong one, is the son of the god of the wind btw). Maybe we should look for two different types of warriors in asoiaf... Asoiaf is clearly, among other things, an essay on comparative mythology - well, fictional mythology of course.

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

I am going to have to check that out! I think it might fit well with what one of my friends is working on at the moment. Thanks for the recommendation!

So AA was a Smith and a Warrior, he was also a husband but the text never tells if he was a Father too. If he was then he would cover the three aspects of the Faith, as he slayed NN though he could be the Stranger, or maybe the LB is the Stranger? And NN herself, could we see her as a Just Maid, Gentle Mother and the Crone that turned her back to the Earth? Titan of the Braavos would be the Last Hero actually, searching for the Children leaving in the rainy lagoon of Braavos though he would be Merling King before his transformation. Last Hero himself is also tied to Night's King and Bael the Bard.

Another wonderfully insightful and entertaining video! Can't wait for the next one... But, first I'm going to watch this one again.😍

After listening your daughter asking, I just got to leave a note. Great work, you are brilliant.

Sooo good! So good! So *secures tinfoil space helmet* I’m wondering why GRRM chose the name “Titan” for the Titan of Braavos over say, colossus, Goliath, giant, etc. The reference to the titans of Greek myth seems clear now, but do you think he might also be alluding to Titan, the icy, covered in cloud (kinda like Braavos) moon of Saturn?

@outerpanda2356

5 жыл бұрын

If LmL is right that Euron Greyjoy's first name is a reference to the icy moon Europa, then perhaps both being named after ice moons shows a line of connection betwixt the Titan and Euron?

@electrikjimmy608

5 жыл бұрын

I got to wondering the same thing as I watched this. Why titan?

Oh man leaving off on the Baelish note. Keeps a person eager! Loving the material, great work!

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!!

I'm glad this was in my recommended I'm always hungry for more ASOIF channels. I loved your analysis here. Good stuff.

Livestream with order of the Green Hand would be a hellofa good time.

Fantastic video. After last Sunday with Steven I have a new found respect for the amazing works you guys put on here. Takes a lot of guts. Thank you for all these great videos. And merry Christmas to you and yours.

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks so much!!🤗 Its feedback like this that keeps me going. Very much appreciated!

Your Iron Born analysis is quite amazing. These groups of videos are just so very coherent. If I could subscribe multiple times I would for each video.

Saturday morning treat 😍 Coffee, croissant and DL

Thank you, such a good video. Hugs & sunshine 🌞 N

I can't help but notice that Mother of Pearl is the Grey King's stone like the Pearl Emperor who ruled after the God on Earth. Also, he may be an ancestor of the Starks with his Grey eyes and solemn disposition. Starks also have a habit of coming back from the dead, otherwise they wouldn't need to place swords over their sarcophagi to keep them in. Rob will be back to avenge Jane and his own death. What if a Fisher Queen saved the Grey King's/Pearl Emperor's life by giving him the kiss of life?

The Titan of Bravos i think is inspired by the Ancient mythological statue of the Sun in the Isle of Rhodes in the Aegean sea ..The peoples in the island in the Ancient times they worshiped as their god and protector the Sun[Apollo in the Greek Mythology was the God of the Sun]..They build in him a massive giant statue in their port ..According to Archimedes and to Pythagoras this statue was 30-40 meters high and was stand in two bases in his feet so the ships that pass beneath to pass among the bases where the statue was supported ..Was described as wearing a crown who look like with the sun and colored ..It was one of the 7 wonders of the world along with the statue of Zeus in Olympia [was also massive] and the Temple of Artemis in Ephesus ..You should to do a video in the Greek Mythology linked to ASOIAF ..There are many references.

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Mp

Old Nan's story of The Last Hero says that his sword froze and shattered. At Castle Black, Sam reads that he wielded a dragon steel one. My hunch is that it was either the original [pre-Valyrian ] Ice or Dawn. I also notice that the words Dawn, Dayne, Daenerys and Dorne sound a *lot* alike. What do you think?

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

LmL has some ideas about the original lightbringer being dawn. Many good points were made in this essay of his, highly recommended lucifermeanslightbringer.com/2016/03/15/dawn-of-the-others/ . The audio is available on his youtube channel and his podcast. Ultimately I think dawn being the original Lightbringer is a great theory. Although I am quite curious why dawn ended up all the way down in Dorne if it was so instrumental in fighting the others. You would think tradition would keep this sword as close as possible to the wall rather it seems the opposite.

@lyannabanna6917

5 жыл бұрын

I read a theory that Starfall may have been Star*K*fall at first, so maybe Ice and Dawn are the same sword.

@eric2500

Жыл бұрын

There is a Valyrian steel sword in the Tarly family I think. But Sam was not the one allowed to wield it.

Another thought provoking video. As I’m sure your already aware the “Seconds Sons “ banner is a broken sword. Would Brienne fit the Azor Ahia template, her brother Andrew is dead. She becomes a warrior, traditionally a male role. Then wanders Westeros with Oathkeeper , a sword broken then re-forged. As to Bealish , my theory is he is a Plumm. Wears purple and gold , grandfather a sellsword like Brown Ben. A plum hides a stone beneath, then there is the legend of the Plumms manhood and he’s nickname is Littlefinger. Seems to fit Grrms sense of humour.

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Hey @Thunder Clap! Yes, I mentioned the broken sword sigil of the second sons in my Livestream! There are times were Brienne plays the role of Nissa Nissa as well such as in the bath with Jaime when Jaime passes out and also we have our 5 year gap Brienne who is named pretty Merris. Not sure about Littlefinger being a plumm, but really anything is possible in this series so you never know. I have some more thoughts on littlefinger I plan on sharing in a video one of these days.

@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

Жыл бұрын

Isn't Brown Ben Plum of dark skin though?

@thunderclap7154

Жыл бұрын

@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 Ben's mother is a Dothraki, and his grandmother was half-Ibbenese and half-Qohorik.

@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

Жыл бұрын

@@thunderclap7154 oh my gods did you just pull that out from memory? i am still looking for him in the books 😳

Thank you! Just a comment about your channel. You actually help me understand the ironborn and before your channel, I didn’t appreciate them! Your awesome!

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Lesha! I love hearing comments like these, completely energizing and appreciated. Thanks so much for watching!

Petyr also lost to Brandon in a dual. Every time I picture that fight I picture Brandon being a giant compared to petyr

@allyriastark3508

4 жыл бұрын

Brandon was a Giant, tallest and muscular sibling, he also came to his duel fully armored knowing he will win either way. He is compared to The Mountain ;)

Woo hoo for new insights and ideas! Thanks for all the hard work, y'all put so much into these vids and it's greatly appreciated

Great stuff as always. The symbolism and mythology of ASOIAF is so much fun to dig into. Any thoughts on the many eye injuries suffered by the AA impersonators?

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

I think lml has done a really good job of doing this with the eye injuries. I'll have to find the episode.

@emiliocamachoerice6380

5 жыл бұрын

Basically it's Odin symbolism for mimir's well Odin sacrifying his eye for a drink meaning loosing a foothold of his ability to perceive this world fully and the present, to gain otherwordly wisdom and knowledge of past and future mimir meant rememberer in old Norse. In our story that otherwordly wisdom is linked to the weirwood net given that it appears with green seer warg symbolism

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

here you go lucifermeanslightbringer.com/2017/03/29/garth-of-the-gallows/

I just read the comments below. Fabulous! The heroic monomyth is the Indo European one +++, and somehow it all has to work with the conflict between the elemental magic forces. I count four, so far - Fire, Ice, Earth and Water, in GRRM's world. They are all currently out of balance, and there is (another) brewing battle between Fire and Ice. Will a fifth element be added to the mix of the main series to break the deadlock? I think so, this might be where George jumps to a more Eastern/Far Easteros/Asian five element symbol system.

I'm so excited this is up!!You always do such a fantastic job!!Thank You!!

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Hey thank you Connie!

Love this channel

Enjoyed the video! Your effort is appreciated.

Nothing worse than breaking your sword while tempering it

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Its okay... It happens sometimes...😉

@jamestaylor8037

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheDisputedLands yeh..can u imagine labouring for sixty days..sixty nights..sweating yiur ass off in a temple..heat hammer fold.minute after minute..day after day.sixty nights..just to hunt a lion for it to shatter..an decide out of the blue u have to murder the woman u love..that fool worked to long and turned into a murdering psycho.poor nissa nissa..she deserved better than crazy azor ahai

Great work Amanda! I love how you brought up Petyr Baelish here; which made me think of a question for you....Is there any history, lore, or symbolism we can refer to concerning Baelish's self made sigil; the mockingbird?

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Booney Mazz, thanks for watching. Yes, I had mentioned the tale of the first mockingbird.

I think I already see Baelish as the merman/ seducer/ lurer figure. Marries and discards Lissa, plans out Sansa's future like a creepy uncle archetype. In the last book and the pre released chapters of WoW, he is encouraging Sansa to use her developing charm and flirting skills to get influence for him - it will blow up in his face, but in a far more subtle fashion than in the show.

Great analysis. Innovative. Very provoking, I have lots to ponder now. :)

Great thoughts here Amanda. Well done. Thanks for sharing :)

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks alicia!

I don't remember if you already mentioned this in a previous video about Abel and Bael-, but Petyr's family name is Baelish. I'm sure this and the Titan sigil are deliberate choices.

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

You are correct, the Bael-ish is deliberate. I'm going to be covering that whenever I get to Baelish as a character. Good job, and thanks for watching!

@sophiawilson8696

5 жыл бұрын

Baelish's family are from Baavos

Yes! Your videos are the best!

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for watching John!

They are diving into Ironborn stuff now and I’d just left a mirror comment on their channel a few days ago recommending a contact with CD.

Nice to see more content.

Very interesting!

Great! Thank you

Jon snow may represent the Last hero, him and his companions including ghost travel north in search of the children of the forest once again. Maybe that’s why, and finally his dog, is so emphasized even more so than the human companions. D&D almost did this too, only to subvert expectations and have Arya kill the night king :/

your work is great!

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks!

You. Blew. My. Mind!! 🤯🤯

waiting for your indepth on davos seaworth and his drowning at the battle of the blackwater

Argoth Stone-Skin. Argos Sevenstar. The Grey King's Hall had a starfish-shaped table. Maris might mean Marish, as in marsh. Fisher Queens with their floating palace on the Silver Sea. Silver Sea, Grey water. Greywater Watch, a floating castle. Fisher Queen, or Frog Eaters? Ancestors of the tall men, who were giants, or just tall in the eyes of small people? Hugor, Uthor. Fourty-four strong sons wearing Iron plate, fourty-four stones on Nagga's Hill. Hightower's sigil is a white tower with red flames, and the original tower was made of timber. Sounds like a weirwood? And the Grey King's ship was made of Ygg the demon tree, was it made of the original Hightower? Was the original Hightower actually a weirwood itself? Argoth Stoneskin, is really Argoth "armored in metal from head to toes"; the emergence of knights in Westeros, which did not come from Essos. It's why the story of Argoth is tied to the first tourney, it is a historic retelling of the emergence of knighthood and medieval society in Westeros.

The prince of pentos also reminded me of Garth but it could be the grey king pregreying too

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Im hoping I will get a chance to discuss the prince of pentos in the next video. Im planning on including him, but Im always finding myself cutting things out. Ive got my fingers crossed because that was some really great worldbuilding George did with this tradition.

@emiliocamachoerice6380

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheDisputedLands I think it might come from contact with the ghiscari or bravosi

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

When you are not super busy with the Uni, if you ever get the chance, read the golden bough. The author is doing a spin on the sacred king with the Price of Pentos.

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Prince of Pentos rather.

@emiliocamachoerice6380

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheDisputedLands I will

More more more!

Do u think the duality relationship of the lord of light and the great other has its origins in garth greenhand and the grey king

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

In a broad sense... yes. Although i do think the magic associated with both ice and fire may be derived from the same or similat sources and grrm has alluded in the past to gods not being actual real dieties who will manifest. I feel historical events influenced religion in the same way they influenced the drowned god religion. So with the lord of light and the great other we have similar opposing forces so i think the possibility is likely they may relate back to the battling brothers.

@jamestaylor8037

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheDisputedLands id like to see a video on the origin of house stark..the guy who loved the red haired lass of blue lake an slaughtered so much cotf they renamed it red lake..also..what is it with grrm and the symbolism of broken swords..I think hes trying to tell us something

I broke my KZread and Facebook hiatus for this

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Awe thank you Emilio!! Sending much love you way.

LittleFinger=Azor Ahai PROVEN!!!

Miss I understand your comment about Iittle Finger and his vidoes about him but what about the broken swords? what does it means? (The Broken Swords)

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Sophia, thanks for watching! Have you watched the other three videos in the Ironborn myth and legend series and the video about Garth and the Grey King? Basically it does not mean that he is Azor Ahai if that is something that was on your mind, not what I am referring to, but instead rather I am to the symbolism surrounding the character. It will also inform you about the character of Azor Ahai which was the main concept with the mockingbird...probably not that great and moral of a character.

I have an idea. What i Asorha high is multiple people

Could the maimed hand also be a broken sword symbol? For example Jamie, Jacelynd "Ironhand" Bywater, Davos, Qhorin Halfhand, and burned hands like Jon Snow and Victarion.

@TheDisputedLands

3 жыл бұрын

This is going to be your tyr, nodens, fisher king symbol. The idea of the maimed hand fits within this collection. The cripples bastards and broken things is a huge theme within the asoiaf world, when i look at the brother dichotomy, it seems clear to me that the younger of the two served as a "hand" figure or a second in command. This younger brother was also probably maimed or disfigured in some sort of way. This is why victarion has a burned hand, why davos is missing fingers, its why jon has a burned hand. Its why the "second sons" has a broken sword on their banner, it's why florian greysteel was the yonger brother of lord moontoon of maidenpool, its why the younger brother of house hunter will be killing his elder brother, its why jaime with his missing hand is probably the "valanqar" or "younger brother". Its why orys baratheon lost his hand ect.

@TheDisputedLands

3 жыл бұрын

Oh and archmaester emma has a good essay on cripples bastards and broken things. Both bronsterys and archmaester emma's essays can be found on the red mice at play wordpress site.

@TheDisputedLands

3 жыл бұрын

But if you think of the sword as a metaphor for a person... like azor ahai rather than an actual sword then the maimed hand would also fit. Maybe the forging of lightbringer is a tale about a person rather than a weapon... that could make sense since the first forging was in water and we do see evidence of a hammer of the waters drowning of AA.

@jonhauge-evaldsson783

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! More to dig into!

😃👍❤

what is a monomyth?

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

A monomyth is something where there is a phenomena of several different myths and legends that pertain to the same person or the same event just told by different cultural points of view. For example, the flood myth is a monomyth found in several cultures.

TALOS HATES ELVES

Skyrim belongs to the Nords

This echo Effect Sounds so strange );

@TheDisputedLands

5 жыл бұрын

Well, thanks for watching anyway.

Your Iron Born analysis is quite amazing. These groups of videos are just so very coherent. If I could subscribe multiple times I would for each video.