Idk about psychopathy, but she displays pretty realistic identity-disorder in the books, feeling so much trauma and self-hatred for her former identity as Arya that even before becoming a Faceless Man she’s already got a bizarre distorted perception of her own identity, always reinventing herself as new personas like “the Ghost of Harrenhall” or “Cat of the Canals” to escape from the pain of being Arya Stark.

@tymondabrowski12

10 ай бұрын

It's kinda late for DID to form, but I guess it should be still possible, maybe.

@AsAWhiteManMarriedToALatina

10 ай бұрын

Hatred for sadistic or psychopathic people is more common in empathetic people. Psychopaths are literally the least likely people to kill others out of a sense of justice or revenge for innocents who died. Ofc its just meant to grab attention

@tierefuerimmer9635

10 ай бұрын

​@AsaWhiteManMarriedtoaLatina Psychopaths have no empathy whereas Arya still does it's just buried much more deeply. Plus psychopaths usually target innocent people and animals whereas Arya doesn't-well aside from the bird she killed in Braavos but that's for food /survival not for sport/ pleasure

@tierefuerimmer9635

10 ай бұрын

​@@AsAWhiteManMarriedToALatina Some fans that Arya had gone insane from all the trauma she experienced and I disagree. She's become way more hardened and aggressive but she still has a sense of justice. Though who wouldn't at least snap a little if your friends and family are constantly dying in front of you?

@AsAWhiteManMarriedToALatina

10 ай бұрын

@@tierefuerimmer9635 concepts like "empathy buried deep" has no meaning here but I get what youre saying and thats true about Arya. I'm talking about the wiring of her brain. I mean that Arya is more altruistic than the average person. Empathy isn't a trait, it's an action and not always a sign of goodness. But the Lannisters aren't psychopaths either. Joffrey comes close but studying Jeffrey's actions alone is misguided as sociopaths and mentally ill people can commit atrocities too be experience remorse, reluctance and fear. The Mountain and Ramsey are psychopaths even though they don't necessarily inflict more harm and death than Joffrey.

"What the f**ks a Lommy?" - The Hound

@davionmoor524

6 ай бұрын

lol

@edwardlowe3460

6 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂 ,that was funny as hell,wtf a lummy

@Chef.91

4 ай бұрын

😂

@davidtawse6765

2 ай бұрын

'I don't care if he ate your friend' - The Hound

@Veritech

Ай бұрын

I read that as "what the fuck salami".

Imagine putting THAT image exactly when you say her age 💀💀💀 Edit: damn all the pedos really came out of the woodwork here. Read down at your own risk 🤮

@callnight1441

10 ай бұрын

I'm actually more disturbed someone actually made that image

@darthvader0219

10 ай бұрын

The only comfort we have is that Masie Williams is an adult in real life

@halyketarrant

10 ай бұрын

@@darthvader0219I mean she was too in the show when she had the sex scene, she was 18. I was not okay with that either but you know, it’s Got.

@blor3664

10 ай бұрын

@@darthvader0219 she wasnt when they filmed her in Bravos.

@elr6212

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, this channel features some very questionable fanart. Lots of very suggestive artwork for pretty normal lore

People don't seem to know what a psychopath is apparently.

@silver6302

9 ай бұрын

for random people if kills is psychopath.

@Foxtrox7616

9 ай бұрын

​@@silver6302if it enjoys revenge

@silver6302

9 ай бұрын

@@Foxtrox7616it's her actions and behaviours who tells what she is. The killing and revenge makes more complex to classify her traumas

@Old299dfk

9 ай бұрын

How so?

@edmis90

9 ай бұрын

​@@Old299dfk Psychopaths don't feel empathy. Literally. The part of the brain just doesn't function. The assassination method that's described in this video seem to come from a place of her feeling sorry and bad that other person she's revenging. Feeling sorry and pity for someone is just not something a psychopath is neurologically capable of.

She isn’t a psychopath…she’s PISSED.

@fireblizard8366

9 ай бұрын

Amazing how often those intertwine.

@andrewflores5666

9 ай бұрын

No dude, she’s actually a psychopath, or has at least some mental issue.

@silver6302

9 ай бұрын

​​@@andrewflores5666he's not a psychopath, she has empathy. Characters like Ramsay and Euron are more psychopaths than her. This short has a wrong perspective about her mental disorder.

@andrewflores5666

9 ай бұрын

@@silver6302 no your right, she’s closer to a sadist

@silver6302

9 ай бұрын

@@andrewflores5666 maybe

Polliver dies at the Inn of the Crossroads in the books as well. She kills Raff the Sweetling in her Winds of Winter chapter. Additionally, it was the Tickler who does all the torturing at Harrenhall. You should fact check your videos before putting them out

@stephancarlozzi8928

10 ай бұрын

I noticed that too. Also, Arya killing Raff is in TWOW pre chapter. Not sure if it's really cannon yet.

@wilderhund98lastname28

10 ай бұрын

But then he wouldnt get all that traffic by comments correcting him

@natelangston3262

10 ай бұрын

These videos are largely very true and try to avoid clickbait much more so than a lot of other content creators. While yes all the things you said were true I don’t think anyone but avid book lovers will care much ab his small inaccuracies. No need to b mean you can look on alot of other shorts and see that he largely does pretty good work

@BIastwave.

10 ай бұрын

@@natelangston3262 Those aren’t small details. It’s literally different characters. All this dude does is narrate a 30 second video using other people’s artwork and makes money off it. The least he could do is be accurate

@nickthielemier3501

10 ай бұрын

​@@natelangston3262isn't this page for avid book lovers?

Her entire story is about finding a pack, being alone and in so many different packs, she loses her identity. Which is why D&D fucker her up. They always saw Arya as a cool avenger, the smart dhild who can endure anything and will use her Needle to avenge her family. In truth, Needle was her only link the Arya Stark. She was a Mice, Ghost of Harrenhall, Arry the Orphan Boy, a Cat, a Beggar and No One eventually, she is detached from reality and moral values her family gave her. Nothing she was taught as a young girl works in the horrible situations she was forced to succumb, at one point, a woman questions how come she has a horse as an orphan, she just considers killing a defenceless woman on the spot but decides it's too risky with all the other people around. That's how she thinks in the books. It's all about kill or be killed.

@nishaajenkins

5 ай бұрын

Thank you. I just had an argument with a stansa (that's how Sansa stans call themselves) about how Arya doesn't want to be a lady, but an adventurer and how Sansa would make a great queen. While I pointed out that Arya wants family, wants to go home, cares for the common folk, always did while her sister made fun of her for it. The same sister that throws feasts while the common folk are starving lol. But yes, Arya goes adventuring is something they want because then she'd be out of the way for Sansa 🙄

@7PlayingWithFire7

5 ай бұрын

@@nishaajenkins your comment makes no sense whatsoever as a reply lmao. Arya feels powerless, and gains a sense of control by murder. This is really common with serial killers. Arya story isn't about finding where she belongs. In fact, she found a pack with the brotherhood (with Gendry and her fellow northmen, ned dayne, etc), but she abandons them when they are not out here exacting revenge upon everyone she deems deserving if it. She's impatient, has major trauma against not being in control, and priorotizes her moment to moment bloodthirst over anything else. Like how she doesn't name Tywin to Jaqen, but considers random servants who are mean to her. Tywin is an afterthought, after having wasted her names. Clearly you're an idiot or a lunatic Sansa hater cause first of all: Sansa haa never thrown a feast while the poor starve. Cause she's 13, she isn't in charge of any feasts nor does she have the power to. Secondly Sansa is one of the few characters who shows any form of concern for the common folk, and is one of the only characters to show true empathy and compassion to others, which Arya doesn't. So please tell me about ONE feast Sansa has thrown while people starve. It says a lot when the only argument you have against Sansa is a made up lie that literally never happened. Sansa is clearly being built up to become queen and to parallel queen Elizabeth I. Read the books or stfu before you make up stupid lies and spit more dumb wrong nonsense

@7PlayingWithFire7

5 ай бұрын

@@nishaajenkins also arya never shows any interest in adventure. Wtf you on about

@nishaajenkins

4 ай бұрын

@@7PlayingWithFire7 What are you on about? I know she doesn't, that's why I think it's stupid Stansas/Jonsas want that for her and say she wants it. I think you just misunderstood my comments..

@lrlavalais2068

4 ай бұрын

Not a "Stansa" or a "Jonsa" whatever tf that even IS, BUT Sansa has a pretty interesting story too. Sometimes we tend to forget how YOUNG these characters are. Sisters/Siblings fight ALL the time and bully each other. Even when Sansa wished it was Arya that was killed instead of Lady was a sibling fall out. As we know, through their thoughts they love each other. Arya also restored to being physical with Sansa by hitting her in the head with an orange and called her a Liar. They are all Liars. All of the Stark kids are fucked up mentally or dead. Rickon probably somewhere eating people, Bran is ALREADY eating people and Jon don't know if he is dead or alive.😅 It was a deep tragedy what they endured to be so young. Sansa resorted to armouring herself with courtesy. Can you imagine being at the mercy of someone like Cersi and the rest of those deranged MFS in KL AND LF whom constantly ask this young girl for kisses? Sansa is a product of Catelyn. She was groomed from birth for the role of queen. She thought it was her job to please a man and have his children. I actually think Sansa was alone and terrified and still is. Nobody EVER came for her that she knows of. Sansa is the ONE character tht pulled at my heart strings because she is so innocent and scared. She will lie to protect what's left of her, and it's Not her fault what happened to Ned or Lady. When Lady was killed Sansa had already lost a part of herself. I'm rooting for her in the books and I HOPE GRRM doesn't have one of those PREDATORS hurt her anymore.

Thats not Polliver thats Raff the Sweetling, Polliver is killed by the Hound

@videobooks3

10 ай бұрын

The show didn't have Raff the Sweetling

@gregfinkelberg4816

10 ай бұрын

They’re talking about the books. Raff is killed by Arya in bravos. Pulliver is killed by the hound in the inn.

@pastamsaurs

10 ай бұрын

​@@videobooks3ye but in the books arya is not 13, she is 11(maybe close to 12) and she seduces Raff not Polliver

@gregfinkelberg4816

10 ай бұрын

@@pastamsaurs I think she’s actually like 9-10

@schleimhafer3990

10 ай бұрын

@@gregfinkelberg4816 no she is 11 years old

*Raff, also she’s not 13 yet, she is still about 11. Sansa is 13 at the end of ADwD.

@araceli2827

5 ай бұрын

😢 Even worse

@smoothboye4203

2 ай бұрын

Cool. Well. Not cool, but that means my memory was approximately correct about that age being wrong.

Whenever you feel like you're not good enough, remember this video that has 5K likes despite being mistaken about the material it's supposed to be presenting (confusing Polliver and Raff the Sweetling) EDIT: 2 weeks later & it's grown to 31K likes. The KZread algorithm continues to spread false info ha.

@Boyg-

9 ай бұрын

its a common thing people do is to give slightly incorrect informtion to spark higher engagement with their videos.

@isaiahgeorge906

9 ай бұрын

Right? This is basically, 'tell us you haven't properly read the books without actually telling us you haven't properly read the books'

@840happycamper840

8 ай бұрын

I've learned that this guy does it on all his ASOIAF videos. He has to be doing it on purpose

@sarahcha3169

6 ай бұрын

I still feel not good enough lmao but thanks for the attempt at cheering me up

Perhaps you should have made it clearer poliver and raff are combined in the series, as polliver dies at the Inn in both.

@beplanking

8 ай бұрын

Also, it was the tickler who did the torturing, not either of these two

Arya isn’t 13 she’s 11 in the books

@stephancarlozzi8928

10 ай бұрын

Technically true, but most of of fandom, including myself, head cannon each book takes place over the course of a year. So Arya would be 13/14ish at the start of TWOW.

@cogumelo6963

10 ай бұрын

Isn’t she 9 in a game of thrones? If so, that means she is 13

@manofhonor1685

10 ай бұрын

@@stephancarlozzi8928your “headcannon” doesn’t matter thats a crazy argument that your headcannon would matter at all when its georges book and she is 11

@stephancarlozzi8928

10 ай бұрын

@@manofhonor1685 you don't matter!!!!

@rea3045

10 ай бұрын

They age in the books along with the show

I love Arya. If I see my family being unalived the way they were. I won't care about the world or the white walkers, my only path is revenge even if that's the last thing I do. I get Arya.

@DeathnoteBB

10 ай бұрын

For real. Arya is and was my fave. I didn’t even watch GoT but went on clips and fanwiki synopsis’.

@anormalperson7161

10 ай бұрын

I think her arc will end with her sparing/not willing to kill someone on her list, after realizing revenge will only further the cycle of violence. I don't think George is going to glorify this murderous 11 year old's revenge quest. so many people think she's a badass for murdering many and feeling nothing. She's a little child, she's been forced to murder people. It's disturbing as hell.

@galadballcrusher8182

10 ай бұрын

​@@anormalperson7161murderous or not to her is justice and justice can be cathartic and reballancing. One has only to worry and think of psychopathy if you observe signs that the subject got too used to and apathetic towards murder in general beyond the ones allready condemned in her mind because of their actions or if going innapropriately unjustifiably excessively harsh on people wronging her or someone while she observes it and punishment don' t match the crime

@anormalperson7161

9 ай бұрын

@@galadballcrusher8182 I'm not worried about her being a psychopath, I'm saying that Arya is definitely going through an arc, and what sort of arc would that be if Arya just accomplishes what she set out to do 3 books ago? And again, I just don't think that the point of her story is that 'revenge good, kill those who wrong you'. Considering the deadly consequences revenge has had so far, it seems to conflict with the general theme in the books.

@iggyzeta9755

9 ай бұрын

I don't think you do. Her themes and arc are more about identity and how she loses herself to the names and faces she wears for the sake of survival and revenge.

Arya is 11 in 300 AC, which makes it even more icky to read. Try factchecking next time

@fazediamond5671

10 ай бұрын

N it’s raff not poliver

@ToniToniChopaaa

6 ай бұрын

No she’s 13…

@junioradult6219

6 ай бұрын

​@@ToniToniChopaaasry

@DarthSanguine

5 ай бұрын

@@ToniToniChopaaa No, she's eleven. Check the Appendix section in A Dance with Dragons.

@ToniToniChopaaa

5 ай бұрын

@@DarthSanguine that’s wrong

She isn't a psychopath, she's a traumatized 11 year old

@S_047

9 ай бұрын

And how many 11 year olds go on murder sprees? She's a psychopath

@mnomadvfx

5 ай бұрын

Sociopathic behavior disorders tend to be rooted in trauma during childhood of some kind. Childhood is when we learn how to process events in life, when we become who we will be for the rest of our lives at the most fundamental level. So ye - between Littlefinger, the Lannister's, the Frey's, the Mountain's gang and the Hound and all their associated effects on her young life she's more than a little messed up in the head. Sansa suffered a continuous trauma through one individual (Joffrey), and a short spike of trauma through another (aunt Lysa). But Sansa was already older than Arya when the trauma began and she had far more opportunity to recover while Arya has suffered just trauma after trauma after trauma until she just sees the Faceless Men and their path of death as the only viable alternative left in life.

@SaraSara-oe6il

4 ай бұрын

Breedable +

That's not a psychopath. That's justice.

@IronClover15

10 ай бұрын

Nah bro they're both psychopaths

@nos9784

10 ай бұрын

She kills because she loved the people who were murdered. A classical psychapath does not have that kind of emotion. A classical psychpath does not feel empathy for other people, Arya does. She is not a psychopath, she is on a brutal revenge trip out of sympathy for her victim's victims and a sense of justice. A psychopath would kill for fun, or because it's convenient. Some of arya's victims are psychopaths. That said, feudal society does not map that well to modern psychological criteria.

@rikk319

10 ай бұрын

@@nos9784 Yes, and also, psychopaths are born, not made. Arya didn't display any classic signs of psychopathic behavior when she was younger. She shows signs of severe trauma, and I'm sure a lot of people who'd have experienced the awful conditions in Westeros could have turned out like her.

@kaiserdetectivegolden2735

10 ай бұрын

@@rikk319 they are made every child born innocent

@nos9784

10 ай бұрын

@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 how do we know whether they are born or made? We can't exactly experiment on a bunch of toddlers for 30 years and then count the psychopaths. We can propably look at known psychopaths and try to find influences that turned them cold, but that will hardly give us a full picture.

I just finished my reread of the entire book series and I don't recall any of this happening Edith: I just looked it up and nothing of that ever happened. Polliver is killed by the Hound in the books. Also the one who tortured everybody is the Tickler

@Joe-vc3tf

10 ай бұрын

It was in a winds of winter sample chapter

@videobooks3

10 ай бұрын

It's in The Winds of Winter

@turtleanton6539

10 ай бұрын

​@@videobooks3yes😊

@sytwin2476

10 ай бұрын

​@@videobooks3ok haven't read any of them. But Polliver is still killed by the Hound

@weizenbrot4548

10 ай бұрын

Is it worth reading the sample chapters or should I wait?

She is an innocent girl who’s life was taken from her at the beginning of the war of the seven kingdoms. She’s doing it for survive, not for fun. Team Arya Stark!

@Raktasdelespacio

7 ай бұрын

She WAS an innocent girl. She IS traumatised into psychosis. She has become a ruthless killer with a weak notion of self. She didn't have to kill this guy. She didn't do it "for fun", but she sure as hell didn't do it to survive, she wanted to do it. Also show Arya became super annoying. No-Aryas Club!

Bro got seduced by a 13 year-old 💀

@SergyMilitaryRankings

9 ай бұрын

She's 11 in the books 😂

@AD-fc4kq

8 ай бұрын

Who wouldn't?

@maximiliankot6030

8 ай бұрын

​@@AD-fc4kqin mediaeval times idk but these day I'd say any normal person 🤨

@Fizzypopization

8 ай бұрын

​@@AD-fc4kqp3do just told on themselves

@hewhomustnotbenamed9276

8 ай бұрын

Well, he is a torturing monster. I don't think age of consent is high on his priority list.

Imagine tomorow George say Winds of Winter is done 😂

@Edmures_rampant_manhood

10 ай бұрын

Imagine that, then imagine two weeks later, he says some inconsistencies were discovered in editing; he has to do a rewrite.😂

@betelgeux6010

10 ай бұрын

the release date is mid 2024 now xD

We need an Arya Stark spin off about her adventures after GOT.

@freefolkgaming

7 ай бұрын

frr

Arya is my favorite character. She is still a stark inside.

I was 14 when I finished reading the last book, and I was under the assumption that she was 13 too. So I did have some kind of a crush on her (and Daenerys). Now that I'm 25 and the story hasn't progressed at all (thanks, lazy George...), I feel pretty awkward about my childhood crushes 😂

@kingol4801

9 ай бұрын

There is nothing wrong with having a crush on fictional character at the time.

@danchiziofficial2159

7 ай бұрын

​@@kingol4801they definitely something wrong

@jaydenblack7569

2 ай бұрын

@@danchiziofficial2159wtf having a crush on a 13 year old when your 14 is not wrong are you stupid or something lol

@jaydenblack7569

2 ай бұрын

@@danchiziofficial2159we’re you never a child did you never have crushes when you were 14 with your classmates lol your dumb asf

No, if you want a psychopath, look at Ramsay lol

@pandaaddict2756

6 ай бұрын

100% 😂

@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117

3 ай бұрын

Or joffrey, cersei, roose, the mountain, and his sidekicks.

@thomasbullins

Ай бұрын

Ramsey was more of a sociopath ----

In the book chapter Raff's companion is like "Dude wtf that's a child" as he goes off with Arya

Arya is not a psychopath. She only kills people who deserve it

@MihaiAlexandruPreda

2 ай бұрын

Do you kill people who deserve it?😂

In the books, she personally kills The Tickler and snaps a little, screaming "HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW MANY" as she hacks at his corpse. The Hound has to drag her away.

That sus drawing of Arya 👀

The guy who did all the torture in HH was called the tickler

she isn't a psychopath, she's a traumatized 12 years old💀 also, she's still 100% more empathetic and complex than her show counterpart

Someone needs to make an edit of the scene where Chris Hansen walks in and says "Hello, I'm Chris Hansen. How about you take a seat?"

Now this is a sample chapter of Winds and is a really old remnant of George's 5 year time skip. It's very likely this chapter was written with Arya being 16 instead of 11/12 she actually is at the end of Dance

@iggyzeta9755

9 ай бұрын

He gave up on the time skip way before he started writing Winds. This was a scene he wrote after finishing ADOD. GRRM is just creepy enough to write a scene showing an 11 year old girl frenching the man who killed her friend, just like he's creepy enough to write a scene showing a 12 year old girl getting fingered on her wedding night to a massive barbarian in his 30s.

@hyperbannana9262

8 ай бұрын

​@@iggyzeta9755bro who are you talking about in the end? That's alarming AF

Why a psychopath? Arya just seeks revenge. Justice in a world that does not quite have a justice-system - how else would you seek to achieve it?

@kingol4801

9 ай бұрын

…… Hello there, comment 137 with the same misconception. Psychology 101: Psychopath - person unable to feel anything, devoid of any semblance of emotion. Psychopathic tendencies (different thing altogether) - selective ability to suppress sympathy/compassion for others. Anybody who would feel bad inflicting pain on people who they love, but feel indifferent/good inflicting pain on people whom wronged them DOES exhibit psychopathic tendencies. Any de-sensitized person does exhibit some extent of psychopathic tendencies. People who seek vengeance do, soldiers do, sadists do etc. So, they are not wrong.

@frederickscheuer255

9 ай бұрын

@@kingol4801You misunderstand 101 psychology, starting with the fact that diagnosis is supposed to happen in direct exchange between a professional and their patient. This is for very good reason and makes any and all attempts at doing so with fictional characters extremely unreliable. Furthermore, there are tendencies of absolutely every diagnosable mental condition found in pretty much every healthy human being you take a closer look at - it does not matter one bit when trying to assess wether a person does or does not suffer from any specific personality disorder. Arya can most likely be diagnosed with PTSD and is definitely extremely desensitized to violence. Beyond that she shows signs of sadism, though, again, (1) tendencies aren´t proof of a disorder and (2) to move past that in any way, shape or form you´d have to study psychology, get your master´s degree and then spend a couple weeks or months talking on a regular basis with a version of Arya that is cooperative and actually wants to figure it out herself. I don´t see that happening.

That’s not psychopathic. That’s justice.

@sentortv7816

9 ай бұрын

At 13 she manages to manipulate a grown man (a primary ability of a psychopath) and brutally kill him without remorse. Even if someone had killed my friend I think I would struggle emotionally to kill them in such a brutal way. She is certainly a psychopath

@tristancole8158

9 ай бұрын

@@sentortv7816 You probably haven’t had a very hard life.

@sentortv7816

9 ай бұрын

@@tristancole8158 you probably aren’t over the age of 15. Or you just lack proper education.

@renrain1641

9 ай бұрын

​@@sentortv7816people mature depending on their life struggles and experiences.... Most of the children of rich families are spoilt brats and doesn't mature even at 30....

Think you're mistaken here in that she kills Raff the Sweetling while training as a Faceless Man. Polliver had taken Needle from her and she already got that back in Westeros at the fight at the Inn of the Crossroads (just like in the show). So HBO was actually spot on on this one.

Well, Arya is 12 at most, during that chapter. I think the most interesting part of the chapter, is how crazy Arya comes across with her acting. Creepily singing "Mercy, mercy, mercy" as she walks through Braavos.

13 swr she is 11😭

@mrj.kottari8453

10 ай бұрын

Yup. Arya is 10 or 11 in the books by the end of "Dance With Dragons", not 13...

@Daniel-ug4pu

10 ай бұрын

Sansa the one that's 13 at the end of a dance

Does the narrator even knows what a psychopath is?

@kingol4801

9 ай бұрын

Technically she exhibits psychopathic tendencies. Psychopath - dull/immune to notion of human emotion. They kill with the same attitude as eating breakfast, and they torture not because of some gratification (they cannot feel any period), but because of curiosity without breaks. Psychopathic tendencies - ability to selectively suppress sympathy. Sympathy - ability to relate to pain of others. Brakes that stop most people from inflicting severe pain onto others. Ability to empathize with victims etc. Any vigilante or soldier, de-factor, is de-sensitized and exhibit some extent of psychopathic tendencies. But that does not make them psychopaths. Psychopathy is predominantly born condition. It cannot be developed. But psychopathic tendencies/patterns of emotional response/behavior can be developed.

@junioradult6219

6 ай бұрын

Except she shows emojion left and right. Its literally what has got her in trouble by killing someone she wasnt suppose to. She did all that bc of emojion, sry but thats the opposite of a real psyco. She has shown emojion since the first time we saw her

Given her trauma, who can blame her? Besides, her killing them was justice even if that was not the motive.

Managed to get Poliver, Raff and The Tickler confused in one short

This Is not Psycho, this Is Justice.

@blackbird45

10 ай бұрын

No it's not justice.

@cottoncandy807

10 ай бұрын

@@blackbird45lets pretend we agree and It was not Justice, what would Justice have been according to you? Letting him go around killing innocents? Killing him without the same cruelty he used ok Kids? I am curious, about your opinion, really

@blackbird45

10 ай бұрын

@@cottoncandy807 you confuse justice with revenge. Justice is to punish according to the laws in force, the culprit after having clearly demonstrated his guilt, without possibility of doubt. Revenge consists in compensating oneself for an affront or prejudice suffered, such as an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, as the saying goes. No revenge can be just. When one takes revenge one does not judge, but one responds to a suffering received by a suffering inflicted. Passion (for revenge) is opposed to reason (for justice). This would be the essential and fundamental difference between revenge and justice, which you are confusing. And sorry if they have fault im not an englishspeaker.

@cottoncandy807

10 ай бұрын

@@blackbird45 i think Revenge Is unfair if the guilty One Is Sorry. He would do It all again... So... I dont understand if we are talking about law or morals. For sure his mum wanted him forgiven, for sure the kid's mum wanted him dead. I can understand both, but psychopathy Is what he had, not she. Also, She was not connected with the guy, so It was not Revenge, i think. What She did to the family that killed her mother Rob etc was Revenge. This was you get what you give, no matter to who, he went around killing Kids and the pshyco Is the One that stops him? In the way he had fun killing others? I think we Will agree to disagree XD :)

@cottoncandy807

10 ай бұрын

@@blackbird45 i am not an english speaker too XD i cant really tell if there are faults but i understood you.. i Hope .. i am really thinking about what you wrote. It was not Revenge and was not forgiveness. It was also definetly perfectly balancing the scales, and actual "you get what you gave" ... I dont understand what would have been Just according to you, and i would like to. Therapy? For his awful brain? Calling the cops "which he was"kinda? Letting him go away After he laughed while killing a boy? None of them sounds right, not even therapy since he was having fun, and that makes him a total pshycopath...

Arya was Faceless Man. A defacto Priestess of Death. This should've been explored more in series.

@kingol4801

9 ай бұрын

Not really. She was a delusional assassin, that is all.

Like in the show, Arya's tought process is basically: "So, a trap for pedophiles..."

There's no way possible they could have made the series the same as the books. There are these people called "censors" who would have a huge problem with that. Also, writing about an 11 year old girl roaming about killing people (and seducing) and having an 11 year old actress portraying such thing would not fly.

@Bustaperizm

9 ай бұрын

Ssshh. You may inspire people to read more.

She's sociopathic and not a full blown psychopath! She does care about things other than herself and she's not immune to fear, disgust, shame, etc. to the level a true psychopath would be.

if anyone has the right to go off the deep end its her - go Arya keep reciting the list of names girl!

She can't be considered a Psychopath if her motivation for killing Polliver is because of Lommy. Psychopaths wouldn't feel sorrow or compassion for anyone other than themselves. Arya exhibits mannerisms more in line with trauma and PTSD. She is someone who only stopped crying from the anguish she endured because she cried so much that she ran out of tears. But the sorrow and painful memories are still there, her ability to feel that pain got fried out and numb. Thats what you see when she kills Polliver, someone who is numb to the pain of her past. And Polliver isn't a psychopath either, he is a sadist. A Psychopath would have just left Lommy to his fate. They are more arbitrary about the lives of others. A sadist shows enjoyment for murder and relishes the how personal it is to take a life. Polliver showed more signs of being a sadist than a psychopath.

@Vexarax

10 ай бұрын

she's genuinely going insane in the book though. she's warging into Nymeria every night (which is destroying her mind) and tearing innocent people apart including babies and kids

She kills Raff the Sweetling in the books. Polliver was killed by the hound at the inn at the crossroads. Also, Arya is about 11/12

This isn't what makes her a psychopath. The fact that she feels happy after killing a person for the first time, in King's Landing, makes her a psychopath.

@DeadlyAlienInvader

10 ай бұрын

You mean that time she accidently killed a boy that tried to take her to the queen?

@MrBell-iq3sm

10 ай бұрын

@@DeadlyAlienInvader Yes. She felt giddy afterwards. Not confused, stressed, disgusted, angry or bad. She felt good.

@SeviathTheHumanDrago

10 ай бұрын

​@@MrBell-iq3smWhat makes her a Psychopath to me is that she goes out of her way to put the person in a situation where they die like her friends were killed. Like in the books she kills the tickler while asking him what he would ask his torture victims when he was introduced and she damn near goes crazy with rage.

@DeadlyAlienInvader

10 ай бұрын

@@MrBell-iq3sm I don’t remember that from the book. I remember she did felt confused and kind of guilty. Did the second book explained that she felt giddy?

@DeadlyAlienInvader

10 ай бұрын

@@SeviathTheHumanDrago psychopath or sociopath?

I wish we had a spin-off based on her. She’s great.

"what the fuck's a Lommy?" -The Hound.

Still really want an arya centered sequel series about her journey west.

We really need to have a chat with ol' Georgie boy about some o' this shit 😅

I thought she was 11 in the books

It's Raff the Sweetling she kills in Braavos, not Polliver. And she's 11, not 13.

That does not make her a psychopath. If it was a random innocent dude she pulled off the street then yeah, she'd be a psychopath. She had very good reasons to kill Polliver.

I adore her. The daughter I would wish for.

Arya killing enemies (celebrating ) >> Arya kissing genry (Vomitting)

She is 100% messed up, and has been showing signs of it for a lot while now in the booms which probably makes sense considering all the trauma she’s been through from a young age

You don't need to be a psychopath to take pleasure in taking reveng on someone. Book Arya Stark is a deeply traumatised person wracked by rage, grief and shame.

People who say it's justice have a fucking problem. It's crazy not knowing the difference between justice and revenge.

@kingol4801

9 ай бұрын

Agreed. Finally sane comment after 200+ insane ones. Anybody who seeks vengeance exhibits PSYCHOPATHIC TENDENCIES (not to be confused with being psychopath). Psychopathic tendencies: Ability to selectively suppress sympathy/compassion for others. So, a person who is ok to inflict pain on one group (people who wronged them), but not others (their family/loved ones) exhibits such patterns of psychopathic tendencies. Which is the anti-thesis of being a human (compassionate creature) and not an animal. But I guess people would rather justify and rationalize vengeance than retain their compassion, it seems.

Wtf is a lomi

Psychopaths are incapable of having usual human feelings. If Arya were a psychopath, she wouldn't revenge Lommy, for vengeance comes from unjust loss or pain, and a true psychopath wouldn't be able to feel that.

The thing she did Raff was completely justified. That man was a monster who tortured and killed children with pleasure. Some people deserve to experience same thing they did and they deserve no forgiveness and mercy. It is pretty weird that the 11 years old child who went through many torture and literally saw the innocent people,not to mention many of them were the people she loved, being killed brutally is called psychopath just because she wanted to make them pay. Why should she feel remorse for it?

She is not a psychopath. She is a Sociopath. Psychopathology is a genetic condition. Sociopaths are made as a result of there environment.

@emackenzie

10 ай бұрын

Both stem from the same condition- antisocial personality disorder

@seekeroftruth45

10 ай бұрын

It's not this simple

@rikk319

10 ай бұрын

She's not a sociopath, either. There are more mental illnesses caused by trauma than sociopathy.

@ronin2963

10 ай бұрын

@@emackenzie she isn't antisocial. She is more a vigilante or just an assassin. But she clearly doesn't feel any guilt because she believes this is justified.

@ronin2963

10 ай бұрын

@@rikk319 I'm not sure she really has any mental disorders. I think she feels totally justified in her actions.

It wasn't Polliver. It was Raff The Sweetling.

It's not Poliver, it's Raff isn't it?

The fuck's a Lomi?

Them taking the Tickler from her was a crime. That scene in the book is so amazing.

@Vexarax

10 ай бұрын

so many of the scenes in the book are amazing. then in the show most of the time they completely remove them to replace them with sappy romantic fanfic. I couldn't watch after season 5 and everyone said I was crazy and it's the greatest show in existence.. lol

"Despite being a 13 year old girl" (puts up half naked AI art)

Imagine not actually reading the books For those who do not know he is wrong, polliver dies at the inn of the crossroads just like he does in the show

That's not psychopathy. That's vengeance.

This guy got the entire thing wrong U had one job bro

She kills raff the sweetling, poliver is killed by the hound at the ale house in ASOS Arya doesn’t kill raff the sweetling until TWOW

She kills Raff 'the sweetling' in Braavos. The Tickler was the torturer. Both he and Polly die at the crossroads inn.

I just now read that part of the book. The hound kills polliver in the crossroad and then she escapes and goes to bravoos...

It wasn't Polliver in the books but actually Raff the Sweetling, one of the Mountain's men. And the Tickler was the one who handled all the torturing at Harrenhal. 🤓

In the book it was Raff the Sweetling. Not poliver

Raff the sweetling is killed in the books

Movie Arya is more of a psycho than book Arya.

That's just justice baby

The tickler did the torturing at Harrenhall

Psychopathy isn't a general term just to throw around. Arya in the books, clearly has empathy and loves her family. If she has any disorder, it's not one of personality, but a mental disorder caused by immense stress & anxiety caused by all the trauma she has suffered.

Not a psychopath. A psychopath wouldn't be able to form a close relationship with other people - Arya's actions are motivated by deaths of people she cared about. Psychopaths also have poor impulse control and struggle to plan their actions or act with foresight. Arya on the other hand is in total control of herself and most of her kills are the result of extensive planning.

@kingol4801

9 ай бұрын

….. Psychopaths are EXCELLENT planners. You confuse psychopathy with sociopathy.

@randomguyontheinternet8345

6 ай бұрын

Shes slowly becoming a psychopath. It started out as vengeance. By the time she leaves the faceless men she lacks emotions. You can see it in the show she is almost void of emotion but still loyal to her family.

Arya had the saddest ending in the TV Series. She is going to wander off on here own to see what is west of Westeros. WHY? She is a faceless man, a hired assassin and knows that it is only a matter of time before she gets hired to kill a family member. So she wants to be as far away as possible so she won't be hired to kill those she loves.

I wouldn't say she's a psychopath. She's ensuring justice is done in a world where there is no justice.

the one scene where I probably love it more than the books is the "give me two chickens" absolutely love that scene.

If Dany did this we'd never hear the end of it.

No she isn't a psychopath cause the whole reason why she has her list is she's tired of evil people hurting or killing people without any punishment. She saves Sam, when she could've just let him get mugged or stuck up. The only reason why she killed the insurance broker was because she was told he's stealing money from widows. She clearly has empathy and while she can act on impulses, its usually due to the fact her whole world was uprooted and destroyed, and she had to leave the relm as a whole because she had nothing or no one left there she could realistically get to. She is more confortable in killing people, but its when she believes they deserve it for their crimes with values instilled in her by her father. And with her contemplating killing people like Gendry or Hotpie, its because if she is outed as Arya of House Stark, her being served to Joffery and Cersei on a silver platyer will be one possibility of what can happen to her.

I thought the Tickler tortured everyone at Harrenhal.....

Not only in the books!!! What she did to the Freys was super gruesome, but show framed it as an awesome character moment. They didn't even understood the story they were telling.

That would’ve been Raff The Sweetling she killed in Braavos

Age of consent in Westeros is as respected as the the man Geoffrey turns into a jester in the show

Point of Order: This happened in a WoW preview chapter. That means it's not canon yet; GRRM may decide to make changes before publication.

Sounds like vengeance to me, not psychopathy.

I’ve been wanting to ask every time I see these shorts, which are awesome by the way. Who is this doing this bad ass, artwork for these clips ??!! I’m not a reader of the books, not yet at least, but I legit googled to see if the books had the illustrations bc they are that good and realistic. Kudos to whoever is doing them.

That's not psychopathic that's justice

In the books It's not polliver she kills in bravos, it's raff the sweet king. Polliver does at the inn of the crossroads with the tickler. That's when she gets needle back.

Arya is the closest thing we’ll get to a villainous Stark. A person who, over the books, has evolved into the worst version of herself. She also is technically a cannibal through her direwolf as she eats the flesh of men in the books.

@olivialim7541

9 ай бұрын

Wait til you read Bran chapters

Imagine telling people a character is a psychopath, while not knowing what the definition of a psychopath is, with an explanation of the differences of books and series while not correctly explaining the story and when being called out on it, being told that the series didn't have all the characters...