Fascinating Character... Highly Articulate..with a dash of revolutionary fervour ..

@nialloneill5097

Жыл бұрын

And full of figures to back up his arguments!

Is he still squatting in the unions London flat.

Arthut Scargill is a working peoples hero . Unlike politicians, Arthur told no lies . Arthur Scargill is a Legend

@JamesRichards-mj9kw

4 ай бұрын

He destroyed the NUM.

@islandhomer

4 ай бұрын

he was a complete liar. he didnt go hungry !!

@fabdave425

4 ай бұрын

Arthur told NO lies Thatcher lied ! Get your facts right you clowns 🤡

@fabdave425

4 ай бұрын

Arthur never lied ! Thatcher the politician whore lied . NUM executives drew no pay during the magnificent struggle , they donated their salaries to the Miners Strike Fund .

@fabdave425

4 ай бұрын

Get your facts right ✅️ Arthur never lied Anti trade union tory loving rats 🐀 have ruined this country.

Scargill was never likely to win. Why not? 1. Strike began in Spring 2. Coal stocks were high 3. No national ballot held 4. The resolve of his nemesis was too great

@melvyndolby8625

Жыл бұрын

You ain't listed the main reason - Scabby Notts

@nevango0690

Жыл бұрын

As much as I hate to admit it, you are dead right

@mattarcher4345

Жыл бұрын

@@melvyndolby8625 Not every Notts miner scabbed a small minority were solid

@18CDNSNO78

6 ай бұрын

The government’s dirty war was the main cause

@bobmcgahey1280

6 ай бұрын

maybe but there was no choice

Arthur Scargill is now 81 and destined to live a long life because I am 83 and although my walking has slowed me down I remain steadfast in living a long life so too many men our age born during the late 1930s.

@blackhand8903

2 жыл бұрын

Not if you worked down the pit like my dad, dead at 65, started at the pit in 1953, retired in 1993, dead in 2003.

The sad fact about mining is it's not renewable when the coal is gone it's gone and it dont grow back. Unlike farming were you can keep growing crops for eternity.

@pairojeans

3 жыл бұрын

Yes and there are still 200 years of coal reserves down there!

@nifralo2752

3 жыл бұрын

@@pairojeans but would the cost of extraction be worth it? Plus if the mines ever reopen they reopen with robots. Those mining jobs are never ever coming back.

@olivergrumitt8033

3 жыл бұрын

They are still opening coal mines in China to this day, despite climate concerns. Until a new source of energy is developed that can supply a country with a huge population like China with sufficient power, coal, like it or not, will continued to be used, especially like in Germany, nuclear power is rejected.

@Rainbow-oh4jx

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah sack the coal miners and rape the Amazon prick

@jackthebassman1

2 жыл бұрын

@Public Enquiry and cause even more damage the environment.

Didn't Labor close more mines than Thatcher?

@treybryant8940

2 жыл бұрын

i know I'm kinda off topic but does anyone know of a good website to stream newly released movies online ?

@EdwardAveyard

2 жыл бұрын

As PM: Harold McMillan (Tory) closed the most, then Harold Wilson (Labour). In all fairness to Scargill, he led a strike against Harold Wilson in 1969. He was so extreme-left that he would have probably seen Wilson and Thatcher as much the same.

@ronmccullock1407

2 жыл бұрын

Yes at the rate of 30 a year

from an age when the British working man had someone fighting their corner....

@jasonfernee2401

2 жыл бұрын

Scargill wanted to keep pits open, with paid workers, even after the coal had gone from the pit. The man was a lunatic.

@chrisp4170

2 жыл бұрын

From an age when the lunatics wanted to control the asylum. The British working man was led sadly by communists and marxists - Scargill, Jones & Scanlon.

@revol148

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisp4170 By contrast the neoliberal free marketeer winners of the 1980's & 1990's include such people as Ian MacGregor, Maxwell, Fred the shred, Philip Green, Murdoch, Branson, Alan Sugar, John Harvey Jones & Peter de Savary - are you quite sure they were any better? After all the entire UK financial system bailed out by the UK taxpayer back in 2008, British rail sold off to speculator pimps in the city in the 1990's are now being renationalised, food banks, the worst child poverty rates in western Europe, privitisation of the NHS with questionable results: including the worse cancer survival rates in Europe along with MRSA and other super bugs due to outsourcing the cleaners to shoddy cleaning companies. Things had to change in the UK after the 1970's - it was the WAY they changed that I question. By rights we are in need of a new revolution - a new look at the way capitalism operates - sadly most people are either too happy (the baby-boom generation), too apathetic or have just given up altogether through cynicism.

@chrisp4170

2 жыл бұрын

@@revol148 There was a lot wrong with the response, sure, but that didn’t mean change wasn’t necessary as you concede…

@revol148

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisp4170 odd that your first reply to me has been deleted.....LOL

Scargill was unintentionally complicit in getting mines closed down. He danced to Thatcher’s tune and ran out of dance floor.

@bobmcgahey1280

3 жыл бұрын

horses..t

@h.j7469

3 жыл бұрын

i know, fucking traitor

@jackthebassman1

2 жыл бұрын

He was nowhere near as clever as he thought he was.

@dirkbogarde7796

2 жыл бұрын

I once read that you could import coal into the UK 🇬🇧 in the early 80s for a third of the price of NUM coal. My German working class father worked on London building sites around 1969. One story was, that the unions had such a grip and power that only the trades could do their particular job . It was forbidden and adhered to, that you would not say, finish an electrical job on a site without being an electrician. This would lead to entire sites being shut down, because , say the electrician was abstent. Dozens of men would stand around in a half finished building because no one had the balls to simply put the wires together, or screw the fuse box together. It was insane. And he was a loud and proud Marxist at the time having left school at 15 and learnt metal worker in Germany. I think seeing the effect of marxist unions on society sobered him up and he started drifting away from Communism . Later on he was his own boss, had gone to uni and set up his own company. I was 13 when Scargill took on Maggie and saw her crush his balls. Maggie was special. I am privileged to have lived in the UK during her time. What a lady. What a patriot. Can you imagine Maggie with Macron and Merkel ? What a complete joke.

@fabdave425

4 ай бұрын

But we danced on thatchers bones and celebrate every year

To all those who accuse scargill of being too authoritarian in his approach; I say that he was organising a major industrial dispute mandated by his members, not a fucking luncheon! If he had been "soft" then they would've been crushed in seconds.

Some of his points are valid, some not so. His remarks on using Middle Eastern oil and imported foreign coal for U.K. electricity were correct, it was plain stupid! In years to come we can see the true cost of Middle Eastern oil was a requirement to fund a military industrial complex way beyond actual the countries requirement, the use of young men’s blood and continuing support of some of the worst regimes in the world. Spending so much on the military did little for the U.K. economy. Compare Germany to U.K., forty years on. It was also ridiculous that we imported foreign coal during the 80’s onwards, closing coal mines caused devastation to local communities. An Industrial strategy of closing pits much more slowly and allowing these communities to be part of a newer greener technology was the answer.

@CanadianMonarchist

Жыл бұрын

The trouble was Scargill wasn’t willing to close any pit.

The production cost of domestic British coal was 3X the cost of imported coal. It set the British consumer against the power of the unions.

What a slippery fellow

@bobmcgahey1280

3 жыл бұрын

fu

@pairojeans

3 жыл бұрын

Eel is appropriate

@Mrpublicimagelimited

2 жыл бұрын

Arthur was a nasty little shit and no mistake. I remember him on a chat show here in Ireland (in 1985?) defending the actions of the strikers that dropped a concrete block from a bridge onto a car below - killing a taxi driver driving miners to work. I was only a kid then and it sickened me. I didn't care for Thatcher but I still fully supported her for taking on a direct challenge to the law and democracy itself. Decent hard-working men manipulated by snakes like Scargill to further their own ends.. it was tragic.

@Mrpublicimagelimited

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobmcgahey1280 fu2

@Roscoe.P.Coldchain

Жыл бұрын

Who yer dad?

Look at any interview from them days with Arthur and you can see the media hate.

@jackthegamer4019

6 жыл бұрын

Steve Hillier Everyone hated horrid Scargill. Anyway there should have been a ballot.

@jackthegamer4019

5 жыл бұрын

Charles Farnes Barnes All right , maybe 6.9 billion. Anyway , should have had a Ballot.

@olifuckoffski2400

5 жыл бұрын

Charles Farnes Barnes I’m from a Yorkshire mining family and I despise the cunt with the misery he caused he should have had a ballot

@jackthegamer4019

5 жыл бұрын

oli Fuckoffski Scargill done very well out of that strike, while you lot starved. Anyway he just used the Miners as a battering ram to bring the Government down.

@bobmcgahey1280

3 жыл бұрын

@@jackthegamer4019 bite my crank scum

Ageee with you ricky downing but if I recall correctly he didnt follow the proper NUM procedure on the votng and taking strike action. That was his achilles heel .There was also the question of missing money that Libya contributed to the Miners Fund.

Arthur and I go back to the early 1940's when families relied on coal for heating their homes but these coal is not necessary or it is not necessary to work underground.

@venator0405

4 жыл бұрын

Be sure to tell more of your stories and of your life. You lived through more history than I have by 100 times over, so don't doubt that people would be interested. Cheers.

@hazelwray5307

3 жыл бұрын

These coal is not necessary or it is not necessary to work underground???

@richardsharpe2966

3 жыл бұрын

What is Arthur Scargill like in real life

@nialloneill5097

Жыл бұрын

@@richardsharpe2966 I was told he very gobby when he began at Wooley Colliery. They hung him over a pit shaft to try and quieten him!

He started of a little man with a big union, ended up a big man with a little union.

@insomniacbritgaming1632

4 жыл бұрын

@JCBAirmaster73 he's a millionaire whereas the people he "represented" became poor and made redundant...

@jetpigeon8758

4 жыл бұрын

Now he is a little man with no union.

@colinjennings3661

4 жыл бұрын

But a big house.

Like him or not he was a great speaker.

@th8257

5 жыл бұрын

Most con men are

@melgrant7404

5 жыл бұрын

@@th8257 like thatcher the con woman

@th8257

5 жыл бұрын

@@melgrant7404 Indeed. "The devil always had the best tunes". Neil Kinnock was absolutely right when he said "Thatcher and Scargill deserved eachother. But nobody else did."

@lordsnooty61

4 жыл бұрын

So was Hitler

@johnmatthews3990

4 жыл бұрын

I love Christian Evangelists because they are wonderful speakers. Full of bullshit but good speaker never the less

Thank God for the likes of Andrew Neil that don’t allow the interviewee to waffle on and not go anywhere near addressing the question.

@Knappa22

4 жыл бұрын

People on the vid of the Thatcher interview on this same topic are lauding the interview for letting her clarify her points clearly without interference... so I guess, for many people, it’s down to whether they agree with the person being interviewed or not.

@jamiengo2343

3 жыл бұрын

@@Knappa22 I think there’s a difference between letting an interviewee ANSWER the question and letting an interviewee waffle on. If you waffle on, the interviewer should interrupt. If you are answering the question directly, the interviewer should let you continue. If you are interrupted when directly answering the question, than the interviewer’s a fucking moron.

@th8257

2 жыл бұрын

It's interesting that Alistair Burnett, interviewing here, was Andrew Neil's mentor. Andrew Neil often days he learned everything from Mr Burnett

@liambarry2004

2 жыл бұрын

I see someone has never studied how the media rip apart a government opposition. For future reference the interviewer asks questions and interrupts before the full and often complicated answer. It's common practice and a simple observation these days.

Amazing man who fought for what he believed in

@eightiesmusic1984

Жыл бұрын

100%. Well said.

Never has anyone done more to damage his own cause and all he holds dear than Arthur Scargill.

@YellowTissueBox

2 жыл бұрын

Scab.

@KimPhilby203

Жыл бұрын

You obviously know very little about mining industry or industrial policy during the period..

People slag Scargill off for what he did, but everything he said was right..... if the government gave in and he won, he’d be a hero in many peoples lives. It’s a shame that a thriving industry is now unknown

@thecinematicmind

4 жыл бұрын

James Henderson Especially in the 70’s

@th8257

2 жыл бұрын

No one doubts that the miners had a good cause. It's the way Scargill led the strike. He could not have been more incompetent. He called the strike when coal stocks were at a record high at power stations and then for some bizarre reason refused to hold a ballot. That in effect meant the strike was technically illegal, it prevented other unions from helping out, it split the miners and meant that the public didn't get as strongly behind the miners as they would have. He destroyed everything he claimed to support

@marymatthews678

2 жыл бұрын

Fossil fuels are energy relics of the past. Thriving industry.....really!

@olivergrumitt2601

2 жыл бұрын

Fossil fuels use is certainly not a relic of the past, certainly not yet anyway. Coal mining may have ceased in Britain, but China, for instance, is OPENING pits every week, not closing them. Would there have been any support for the miners at all had current concerns about the climate been prelevant at the time of the Miners’ strike? It is interesting to speculate about this. But the Miners’ strike did show that shutting mines could not come about without huge job losses and social costs. Reducing dependency on fossil fuels will not come quickly or without pain.

@markcoupe845

6 ай бұрын

a great guy who spoke the truth something the tories , the imperialists, the establishment , worse still the Red Wall hang your head in shame , this tiime do not fall for divide and rule

Conclusion: the government should never have nationalised the energy sector. It doesn't matter whether something is economical or beneficial, the government won't do it unless they have the political will to do it. Also, large numbers of mines were using old technology and methods, because when you're a nationalised industry there's no incentive to improve and use new technology

@HRHooChicken

4 жыл бұрын

One of the many, many problems of British industry in the 70s was that they tried to modernise mines/factories etc which would have improved efficiency and cost jobs. But oh no the unions weren't having that! Strike!

@bluerevolvur2711

4 жыл бұрын

@@HRHooChicken Do you have a source for that i would like to look it up

Where did the nylon hair come from? Is it natural?

@ralphsimpson5230

4 ай бұрын

I thought it was a weetabix.

Despite all his coal industry experience, like so many Scargill was a short-sighted fool of a leader. It was so obvious coal requirements were on a decline, stockpiles were huge & yes, cheaper opencast coal was available on the international market. He really should have focused on all the ancillary industries within coal mining, that could have been developed on regional basis to give his members work after the inevitable mines closure. You've only got to look at Sir Bernard Schrier from CP Holdings to prove there was profits & a future after mines had closed, from estate management, earth moving & plant hire, small engineering works, general contracting & construction, land reclamation & development, H&S & PPE manufacturing & supply...all these could & should have been developed by British Coal with the NUM for it's members.

He took minors out ILLEGALLY which meant in the long run governments closed mines far quicker than they would've as they weren't going to allow the country to be made bankrupt & deliberately brought to it's knees in such a way ever again.... what did he get in return a lifelong free home! Ridiculous & shows what the original problem was, in a nationalised company profits don't matter so people take advantage.

@nifralo2752

4 жыл бұрын

The mines would have ran out of coal eventually or robots would kill the industry.

@hazelwray5307

3 жыл бұрын

Minors or miners?

@liamwatson4540

Жыл бұрын

No he didn’t you quarter wit

Numerous scholars have concluded that Scargill's decisive tactical error was to substitute his famous flying picket for the holding of a national strike ballot. His policy divided the NUM membership, undermined his position with the leaders of the trade union movement, hurt the union's reputation in British public opinion, and led to violence along the picket line. That violence strengthened the stature of the Coal Board and the Thatcher government. Robert Taylor depicts Scargill as an 'industrial Napoleon' who called a strike 'at the wrong time' on the 'wrong issue', and adopted strategies and tactics that were 'impossibilist', with 'an inflexible list of extravagant non-negotiable demands' that amounted to 'reckless adventurism' that was 'a dangerous, self-defeating delusion'. Historian Andrew Marr argues that: Many found Scargill inspiring; many others found him frankly scary. He had been a Communist and retained strong Marxist views and a penchant for denouncing anyone who disagreed with him as a traitor.... Scargill had indeed been elected by a vast margin and he set about turning the NUM's once moderate executive into reliably militant group..... By adopting a position that no pits should be closed on economic grounds, even if the coal was exhausted...he made sure confrontation would not be avoided. Exciting, witty Arthur Scargill brought coalmining to a close in Britain far faster than would have happened had the NUM been led by some prevaricating, dreary old-style union hack

@billygiles3276

4 жыл бұрын

Yep he fell right into a trap that was carefully laid for him.

@mothermovementa

4 жыл бұрын

Thatcher was a FOX on the prowl. A MINXY.

@salamisfamagusta2918

4 жыл бұрын

Hoho you are a master propagandist you should allow your self to listen to Scargils interview instead of labelling him

@john-danson3113

4 жыл бұрын

Completely agree. He had taken the debacle quite personally.

@stephenroche5107

4 жыл бұрын

Hoho Hoho His Union allowed him to take overall control and also to make the executive decision to call out his members.

Scargill would, if she knew anything about him be congratulated by Greta Thunberg for fast tracking the end of coal use in the UK. All those Union Acolyte's who blindly followed this man, all ended up in terrible hardships on strike, losing their jobs at least a decade before their time. He also ended the Trades Union Movement as after the farce of 1970s Strikes, the country could simply not afford to be held to account by a bunch of Lenin inspired Marxists.. Bizarrely the Print Unions thought they could bring the Iron Lady down too, and they went the same way as the miners. Years later it was found out Scargill had a flat in Barbican, in the City of London... paid for by the workers who put their trust in him.

@nialloneill5097

Жыл бұрын

The miner's fight was a good one, seeking to preserve the heritage of the working class, but betrayed on all levels, including at times by Scargill, although he was a tough and clever negotiator. The strike was about stealing the assets of the nation, paid for by working class men, whilst the rich and self-employed often avoided and evaded paying any taxes, but just these people wanted the riches built up in these national industries. And the greedy, selfish, short-sighted Notts lads helped them, only to also find themselves betrayed after the strike, no surprises there . A two tier system of right vs left set up by a faulty class system, which was fuelled by men's arrogance and greed amongst the ruling classes, who treat 'their' subjects like scum. The working class had heart, and many knew how to share, and what else is there in life but to learn how to help and live alongside others in a virtuous way, and build co-operative societies, where people can be trusted, and promote genuine inner beauty. There was nothing beautiful about the Tory gangsters and swindlers, and their rich elite crooks. And that's how and why you finished up with an extreme work base, as a reaction to extreme rulers, who the workers knew, did not give a f-ck about them, nor truth, proven by their many lies and thefts during and after the Strike. And this was the moment when moral consciences and community-minded spirit was lost, and has never been the same since, for society is full of snakes and crooks, including the Tory ranks especially, as has been proven once again in recent yrs.

@CanadianMonarchist

Жыл бұрын

@@nialloneill5097Someone might say Scargill treated his subjects like scum. I would be furious if I were a miner who went back to work because I didn’t want my wife and children to starve, was assaulted by thugs, and had to pay union fees to keep King Arthur in a luxurious London flat.

@CanadianMonarchist

Жыл бұрын

Your first sentence made me laugh- good one! 😂

@nialloneill5097

Жыл бұрын

@@CanadianMonarchist The miners knew of King Arthur's ways, indeed, I met some miners at Wooley Colliery who knew him when he first began to work there, and they say a few of them had him hung over the shaft to scare him. He so gobby! Miners were not so foolish that they blindly followed him, I can assure you. All knw in their hearts and minds that the Battle of Britain was looming, between the working-class and the rich elite, and their Tory puppets. Now there was coercion for you, but many riches to be had; hence now why the country is f_cked. For the many assets and silverware were robbed from the masses, and handed on a Silver Platter to the rich, in their pursuit of world rule, for why did they need more, when they had plenty already. SICKOS, who destroyed communities, the relations of man and wife, brotherhoods, sons lost fathers, I could go on. The main pt is that the sickest in society are insatiable, be it riches, power, land; and so must it all end, when East and West destroy one another out of envy and spite. Man needs to learn alongside his brothers though, not destroy them. Read How Dark is My Valley by P Hargreaves, which I am doing now. Only just over 100 small pages. He was from my village, emigrated, and came back, and began writing books. A real incite into the mining communities, and their struggles in the face of absolute ah_les, oft struggling to feed their children, who sometimes died due to lack of nutrition, whilst the rich mine-owners became richer. This world is a JOKE, better still a place of great evil, and as my long gone Father would say...Son, Hell on Earth.

The issue of the national ballot concealed the fact that the Nott's miners etc simply did not believe Scargill's analysis that the issues he was fighting for nationally had any relevance to them as a region...hence the demand for a national ballot (they wanted the strike called off)...in the event of a ballot which had gone Scargill's way, the Notts miners would not have stopped working (they would have voted against strike action) and would have said that we as a region have voted to carry on working and that is what they would have done...and in doing so would have had huge right wing support from key sections of the national media, the Thatcher government...To believe otherwise is to ignore the dynamics of the dispute...

@eightiesmusic1984

Жыл бұрын

Well said and articulated. Nuances are lost on most people but the dynamics you describe are completely relevant. The ballot argument is a right wing red herring.

@nialloneill5097

Жыл бұрын

Well the rich clubbed together to pay for a new union for them, as they knew what was at stake was far greater then the mining industry. Joe Gormley, meanwhile, helped create the divisions between areas to conquer the miners through the bonus scheme, not least as the Notts men were on much higher wages than the S Yorks and S Wales, and also working in much better conditions.Greed begets greed. Also, these miners did not have the foresight to see the bigger picture, as is oft the case of selfish, greedy people who are always short-sighted in their desire for immediate gains. Thus, they did not see what the others were telling them , that if the strike was lost, their pits would soon be closed too, which they could not imagine, as they believed the words of the crooked Tories and senior management in the NCB, and thought to hell with the militant areas, as long as we're alright Jack. With the NUM crushed, the pits closed, the Tories were free to then dismantle all the social enterprises of this once great nation, namely the nationalised industries, and hand them on a silver platter to the rich, and elite...for all time. This also included the vast housing stock of the NCB and the councils. And this is why this country is suffering now, for we have lost all our assets to international investors on the stock market, or wannabes within our own society, and I could quote some examples of how this greed perpetuated in the mining areas. It was all one enormous scandal and a THEFT OF THE NATION'S ASSETS, that was at an enormous cost for the taxpayer, who was usually the working man who cannot evade taxes as do the rich and self-employed through tax loopholes, or tax havens abroad. There was the cost of destroying these mining communities, the cost to the social infrastructures and other businesses, the police costs, loss of taxes, redundancies, high loss of investment of equipment left on coal faces, loss of infrastructures that had taken yrs to build up within the large national industries, and the loss of health and safety mechanisms, to name but a few. The ruling elite did not complain, nor care though, as they made billions for private investors and shareholders, who were given these industries literally free, making a killing out of their acquisitions, whilst those who really owned them, the industrial taxpayers only received poverty and ridicule. And there was no thought of ecological improvements back then as a few have tried to lie about, if there were, why were they still using increasing, copious amts of oil. BULLSHITTERS!!!!!! I awoke to the fact that the working man cannot trust his govt, politicians, nor the rich elite, as they have only a few things on their mind, power, fame, and MONEY!!! Therefore they are not fit for purpose, and this can only end in disasters they do share the cakes of wealth and health amongst all the people. This country is screwed now due to the reckless and abusive nature of the Tories and rich doing this period, and we have no assets to fall back on now, as they were all gifted to perverse, greedy fat cats, who have no moral or social conscience, only the selfish desire for money, and more money. If certain authorities are now really being serious in arresting Putin for breaking international laws, how about these same people charging Thatcher, and her govt and cronies,, such as the coercive business leaders, who committed the GRAND THEFT, of the GB, whilst murdering and butchering many jobs and lives, for they murdered the hopes and dreams of many a community in the industrial heartlands. A decent person would have sought to develop other industries and technologies to replace these gradually, mindful of the ecological needs for the future, but this was NEVER in their thoughts. Only the destruction of the Unions and Working class was of paramount importance to them, so they could get their greedy hands and talons on the nationalised industries, and feather their own pockets and those of their mates, on so many levels! Thus a great nation was lost, for it lost its heart, conscience, strength, and sustainability, and with it went all hopes of equality and equity, and more importantly, moralistic means of living, and TRUST!!! No wonder people have turned away from churches and voting for political parties, and listening to politicians, as they have all been sussed.

There was 3 surface drifts in the Barnsley area, which was linked underground to 3 or 4 pits, the cost of these drifts was paid for by a loan from the banks, no help from the government directly, once 1 pit shut, the onus was put on the other 3 to repay the loan, which in turn put the remaining pits under pressure, and🎉 sent them into the red, after that, they fell like dominoes, once all the pits had been closed, only then did the government intervene, and used taxpayers money to reimburse the banks.

House Coal is now £800 a tonne retail!

Have a look at what this so called working class man is today,

@nifralo2752

3 жыл бұрын

They already are all closed. There are more blacksmiths than miners in this country.

Hey bro is that Reginald Bosanquet?

@markemark449

4 жыл бұрын

It's Alastair Burnet

@carolinestallard6165

4 жыл бұрын

Tis Alistair Burnett

@jasonsmith1158

3 жыл бұрын

ALASTAIR BURNET !!

@fabdave425

5 ай бұрын

A tory lover

They weren't fighting for more money better conditions less hours just fighting for there jobs the met police should be ashamed this is where the north south devide started, THATCHER

@th8257

5 жыл бұрын

You clearly know nothing about history if you think the north south divide started with Thatcher. For example, the Jarrow marches were in the 1930s, protesting about poverty in the North. The divide was there long, long before you or I were born.

@MarineAqua45

4 жыл бұрын

gav omes It wasn’t just from the Met, it was others from all over the Country. In Greenwich, during the Olympics, some parts were policed by the Grampian Police, from Aberdeenshire & thats probably, how it was in South Yorkshire in 1984. Thatcher brought in, a strike force, from all over Britain.

@insomniacbritgaming1632

4 жыл бұрын

North South devide started in Medieval times!!

@MarineAqua45

4 жыл бұрын

gav omes Scargill hijacked his union & became militant & crossed the line. Why would a PM, like Thatcher negotiate with a communist-sympathising, twat, like Scargill for? All that was needed, was to have presented the facts to Thatcher & be willing to negotiate the way forward, not wild-cat strikes & bringing down the Heath government, etc. When you’re a copper, you don’t HAVE A SAY in what jobs you’re assigned to, you follow your orders & thats it.I know that, as my mates dad, used to be a copper in the Met, in the 70s. I worked for a local authority & had to follow their orders & their procedure, concerning waste & I upset a few people, but thats life. Yes, the Met were one of the worst forces in South Yorkshire, because they lorded it over the locals, but most coppers, back then, were oiks anyway-even in cities like Manchester, Liverpool & Leeds.

@markcoupe845

6 ай бұрын

@@MarineAqua45 keep bending over for the imperialists you complete idiot , the police the media , vote for your spiv mates again lol the working class tories the worst of all time

No one is infallible. The same happened to Polish Lech Wałesa, the leader of the coal miners and the man who helped bring down communism; it was revealed in 2007 that he had (in some way) co-operated with the state intelligence and now his reputation is crushed-it's a shame-people do make mistakes, Scargill maybe wanted to have a 'bit' for himself. Don't be so myopic, think of the larger picture, what was achieved and by whom.

@MarineAqua45

4 жыл бұрын

Duke John This bastard wanted the communists to crush Lech Walesa in the Gdansk shipyard strikes, but moaned when his militants got crushed during the miners strike of 1984.

Stoic, but Arthur failed to accept that a British 7 pound per ton was a pound dearer than 6 pounds, including shipping - from South America.

@Withnail1969

4 жыл бұрын

i supported the miners at the time but now i realise there was no future for the mines and the strike was pointless.

@fredwalker1733

4 жыл бұрын

That doesn't factor in all sorts of things, such as the hidden cost of relying on other often dodgy countries for energy.

Scargill was a hero. Today people just do as they are told and wonder why the country is in such a state

@wattage2007

Жыл бұрын

Nah, he was a communist lizard.

@CanadianMonarchist

Жыл бұрын

You mean the way Scargill expected his workers to do as they were told and get assaulted by flying pickets if they did not?

Like him or not Arthur was very eloquent and knew what he was talking about regarding the coal mining industry. How things have changed since this interview was. br oadcast.

@neils4886

4 ай бұрын

So was a certain painter from Austria.

@JamesRichards-mj9kw

3 ай бұрын

@@neils4886 We should have helped the anti-Communist side.

@MarkHarrison733

4 күн бұрын

@@neils4886 The greatest man of all time.

i was a 25 yr old striking miner in 1984 ,the events of that year shaped my politics and hatred of the establishment the media and the tory party for life.......still here hating :)

@cBearTV-

4 жыл бұрын

You don't really think taxpayers should've continued subsidising an industry that wasn't economical and a fuel type that was becoming outdated as new cheaper and more environmentally friendly methods of fuel were found, as a taxpayer you must see that?! Look change is never easy especially for the people directly affected,but society and commerce changes as technology evolves that very issue would have had to have been tackled whether by Thatcher or someone else. I hasten to add that if the fool above hadn't illegally called a strike & declared he was going to bring the government down Thatcher's response wouldn't have been as it was, that blame lies with him as in that situation the whole UK economy was wrecked no government could allow trade unions to do that again. I feel awful for honest hard working people who were affected and couldn't find other work after mines closing but society evolves this idea that Thatcher acted unfairly when put in context is more than a bit of a stretch. Scargill caused most of the miners problems and was rewarded with a nice fat pension and lifelong free home!! Can you imagine if all businesses acted in such a way?!

@andrewh5457

4 жыл бұрын

davopen.Does your hate for the tories for closing pits extend to the Labour Party, who closed more pits than the tories, and during 10 years of Blair being in power, not one pit was kept open or one new pit opened.

@markcoupe845

6 ай бұрын

well said comrade

We know it now, but coal was never viable long-term energy solution. The tragedy of these times, is both the NUM and government became bitterly engaged in an idealogical confrontation, rather than working towards longer term plans for miners and their communities, post-coal. The clues were there for all to see (e.g. West Germany), in terms of creating new industries and retraining the mining workforce, but for Thatcher, destroying trade unions (whatever the cost) was an idealogical crusade, with no consideration to what would happen to the communities effected.

@th8257

5 жыл бұрын

Affected

@kailashpatel1706

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry Scargill was never faced with a choice between a humane rundown of the industry or the closure programme...that was never the choice...In Germany they phased down the industry over a decade or more with no redundancies..they humanely ran down the industry..The NCB/Thatcher government never gave the miners that choice...

@CanadianMonarchist

Жыл бұрын

@@kailashpatel1706He wouldn’t have agreed to a humane rundown of the industry; he refused to concede the closure of any pit. A fellow trade unionist said Scargill would have kept the mines open until the coal was so expensive it would be made into jewelry.

What I always struggle to understand, was 1. Why wasn’t a ballot called and 2. If the first pit voted not to strike, how come they went on strike?? I’m a union member but this always ties my head in knots??

@MarkHarrison733

4 күн бұрын

He knew he would lose a ballot.

"Ahhh, Russia. All them corn fields and ballet in the evening."

Whatever happen to...all of the heroes

@nialloneill5097

Жыл бұрын

I am still here, have no fear! Yes, and I was there, in those days of the strike, and one thing I can state is that there were many heroes in the coal industry, particularly in the Yorkshire, Scottish and Welsh areas. These men were courageous, strong, and kind, and looked out for their communities. Sadly, the Notts and midlands lads were not made of the same mettle, and not so communal minded, nor brave, prone to yielding to base instincts, and thereby easier to be bought off by the govt and rich elites. Yes, it seems all the heroes have gone now, with the destruction of the old working class, through the loss of the heavy industries where most of these men worked. I can sense with these losses, the strength of the nation has waned, as men are not meant to work behind desks all day, on phones and laptops, it's not manly. Hence, why I feel as though I am surrounded by zombies, and cowards, who do not have the backbone to stand up for a genuine cause. Well, we did a yr, and would have continued in Yorkshire, but a few areas were wilting under the pressure, as homes were lost, wives were lost, children barely fed, cars gone, etc. I would really like to write something about this period, and how so much changed afterwards, and how we lost all our heroes, the working class heroes, who oft were first in the line when the wars broke out. I don't see so many queueing up now. Thus, it will be up to us old 'uns, to once again roar our lion-hearted courage across the land, and awaken all the heroes. Perhaps, even King Arthur will stir, in those days of strife, when the inevitable wars and conflicts break out again. So as a new age beckons, as does a time of woe, it will not be easy, but once again we must call upon our heroic hearts, for as Tennyson: We are not now that strength which in old days Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. And the S Yorks miners never yield, mark ye well!!!!! For the heroes are still there, awaiting their calls, and the fates that destiny has in mind for them!

Total arse🧻! Miners were striking and getting f* all, yet he was on full pay and laughing behind their backs! Why not strike on one or two days a week to start with instead of downing tools full stop?

@john-danson3113

4 жыл бұрын

Love the emoticon. It is only, and I say only when you speak to affected miners that you get a scrap of truth. Scargill might sound more educated than Burnett, but they are both two shapes of tit jiggling around people's lives.

@williamletford8368

4 жыл бұрын

Arthur scargill took no wages throughout the length of the strike. Fact.

@nigelkthomas9501

4 жыл бұрын

william letford Who told you that? Father Christmas? Tooth Fairy? Scargill would not have gone without!

@MrDavey2010

3 жыл бұрын

Scargill lived in a huge house with a chauffeur driven car provided by the union! The miners were thrown under the bus by him.

@nigelkthomas9501

3 жыл бұрын

MrDavey2010 Exactly! Scargill is what’s known as a two-faced arsehole!

In my opinion Arthur Scargill made a mistake in calling the strike at the wrong time 1984 was the warmest and driest spring for nearly 10 years also it was the warmest and hotest summer since 1976 also the autumn was the warmest and driest in year's also a mildish winter to in 84/85 you me calling a strike at a time like that was ridiculous

@jasonsmith1158

3 жыл бұрын

AND ......... There was already 1,000,000 tons of mined coal ALREADY ABOVE GROUND !!!!!!!!

iv said coal will come back one day for long time now . magie lied to the whole country about how many mines were to close im only pleased the scab pits closed with the others

@olifuckoffski2400

5 жыл бұрын

keith scott your wrong more pits were shut because of the strike

@alanbrown1563

5 жыл бұрын

@@olifuckoffski2400 By the labour party

@rsturbolad26

5 жыл бұрын

why do we need coal now please? Smoke free zones (nothing new there) but National Grid shutting down coal power stations... do you get it yet?

@th8257

5 жыл бұрын

That's cloud cuckoo land. Nobody uses coal anymore and nobody wants to. The coal industry was in decline for decades before Scargill. Most of the coal that was economic to extract had been dug up centuries earlier. Coal is not like wheat or corn - it doesn't grow back once it's dug up.

@andrewh5457

4 жыл бұрын

Keith. Labour was in power, Blair, for 10 or so years, never kept open, or opened a new colliery.

I have never liked Scargill , but he made perfect sense there. I'm wondering if the interest the mining industries had to pay on money for investment wasn't because the government weren't allowed to fund the mining industry because of EU rules. I know the EU have prohibited government help in other areas, on the pretense of having a level playing field whilst all the time funding their own industries.

@th8257

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely bollocks. The mines were closed because Thatcher was against subsidies, full stop, and much of the mining industry was absolutely dependent on government money. It was nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.

@juzzlookin

2 жыл бұрын

@@th8257 scargill implementing stoppages left right and centre made prices high. They signed their own demise. The union was nothing short of thug rule by a few bullies on the many. Typical of socialism.

Scargill effed up the miners union, and Maggie did the same to him. Good riddance, RIP Maggie.

@sthp2484

3 ай бұрын

Yeah RIP Maggie there is plenty of coal burning the fires were she now resides😂

@ralphsimpson5230

3 ай бұрын

The fire that burned in her would exceed the the paltry flames you wished. @@sthp2484

It was unanimous decision any more axing of pits they would stay out until they stop pit closures king artur was right and will always be right

@th8257

5 жыл бұрын

Sooner or later, the pits would have had to be closed. Coal isn't a crop - once it's gone, it's gone. It doesn't grow back. The coal industry had been in massive decline for decades. Most of the coal that was economical had been extracted long, long before. Pretty much every government in the twentieth century focused on how best to run down the pits as they were becoming increasingly costly. The disaster with the Thatcher government was the brutal way in which it was done, and the complete lack of focus on training workers up to work in different industries once the mines had gone. There is no dispute though that at some point the mines would have to close.

@herefordguy

4 жыл бұрын

interesting how you didn't actually listen. The unanimous decision of the left wing committee that lead the organisation. Not of the coal miners themselves

@23rdjune

3 жыл бұрын

More mines were closed under Wilson than were closed underThatcher, and in a shorter period of time.

“with respect” == “i’m not listening”

The truth will come out in the end and reveal whose side Scargill was really on.

I'm in the process of creating my dream government. Who thinks Scargill would make a good Secretary of State for International Trade and President of the Board of Trade?

@insomniacbritgaming1632

4 жыл бұрын

Nobody... ha

They aught to have put them on Button Rate and 50% Bonus, because they'd stand for the egg under the cap.

Thatcher was a formidable to Scargill. Maggie had coal stockpiled in 84'. She also learned from Ted Heath's dealings with the Miners. Scargill did not have the full support of his membership.The coal industry was heavily subsidized by the taxpayers. Arthur could blether all day.... Maggie won the war.

@liamwatson4540

Жыл бұрын

Imbecile

Scargill was a leader in a way that Jeremy Corbyn is not...Jeremy is too nice...

@olifuckoffski2400

5 жыл бұрын

Kailash Patel both undemocratic wankers

@fraser4982

5 жыл бұрын

oli Fuckoffski oh no not democracy I love lies and workers oppression

@eliseomalatesta

5 жыл бұрын

You have all rigth. i'm from Chile, we learn about he in history class. He (and all miners) was a real hero . Take this book, for more info. library1.org/_ads/32DDD885C93B56E99CDBE0355F0C5A34

@donthasslethahoff

4 жыл бұрын

Corbyn for PM!

@jetpigeon8758

4 жыл бұрын

Socialism is dead and unwanted in the UK in 2020.

I told you i was right

I thought Arthur was dead. He's 80. It's nothing less than staggering looking at the hostility of the interviewer, (Sir James William Alexander Burnet). He's dead.

Opencast coal was cheaper than a traditional coal mine

@stephenbrentnall623

Жыл бұрын

And significantly more environmentally damaging than deep coal mining. I worked for the Opencast Executive as a very young man and before I ever graduated as a Biologist, I could see the damage being done. Fossil fuels in their entirety are clearly environmentally disastrous, but we now see from the Ukranian disaster that we are still both dependent upon them and vulnerable to effective blackmail by unscrupulous dictators. Thus, it is difficult to pursue environmentally acceptable and, of course, desperately necessary policies from a position of energy shortage. Politics took over all reason on both sides and we sit today, at the end of September 2022, desperately worried about meeting our energy needs, atop coal reserves which we so desperately need in the short to medium term. People like Scargill and the Tory party were, as are al politicians, entirely self-serving and horrifyingly myopic.

AS was right. regards Tony

@th8257

2 жыл бұрын

Shame he completely bungled the strike and led the miners into a well laid trap. His suicidal vanity was catastrophic.

It turns out we still need that coal to keep the lights on, Come back Arthur!

Arthur Scargill = national working class hero.

@thecinematicmind

4 жыл бұрын

Toxic Thor Where the hell is he for a working class hero?!

@CanadianMonarchist

2 жыл бұрын

A working class hero who lives in luxury in London while the miners starve?

Scargill was a hero

@olifuckoffski2400

5 жыл бұрын

комиссар из чики брики no he fucking wasn’t he’s despised by a lot of ex miners

@alanbrown1563

5 жыл бұрын

@@olifuckoffski2400 yea scabs

@gaygambler

5 жыл бұрын

oli Fuckoffski SKAB

An absolute creep, full of his own importance. Reminds me of Lynch today. It’ll all end in tears for the workers.

@carlaconnor8347

9 ай бұрын

Lynch is a legend!

@JamesRichards-mj9kw

5 ай бұрын

@@carlaconnor8347 Lynch and Scargill both campaigned for Brexit.

@sthp2484

3 ай бұрын

It will all end up in tears for the workers! You realise it was the workers who set up unions to defend their rights, pay and conditions. Would they be better off without them? I think you care very little about the workers anyway.

Most union leaders lead a very wealthy life.

@andrewhirst2944

3 жыл бұрын

And so did UK company directors

Unions in Britain had too much power at a time, but the pit closures were a terrible idea, ripped the guts out of so many communities. . . .

@balthiersgirl2658

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's why the working folk have no power because of greedy business

@CanadianMonarchist

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the pits could have been replaced with nuclear power plants?

Couldn't have a circumcision because the surgeon couldn't find an end to the prick.

A typical tory interviewer and and an extremely competent and thorough explaining Aurthur Scargill.

Scargil wanted to keep the pits open 'at unlimted losses' because the state should guarantee the jobs of the workers, even if the mine produced coal at a price no one wanted to buy it at (which was the situation for the 20 or so mines Thatcher proposed closing). Think about that. If you are going to go down that Keynesian road (and thank god Thatecher didn't), just pay them to sit at home, rather than send them pointelessly to do one of the most dangerous and unpleasant jobs on Earth. Its a sort of demented welfare system where you ensure your your payees achieve nothing but also have no chance to learn another trade whlst having a horrible time. He was also genuinely a communist - it figures.

@YellowTissueBox

2 жыл бұрын

Scab.

This was more than 35 years ago..If Scargill and the NUM had been offered a humane deal to run down the industry over a 10-15 year period offering long term redundancy to the oldest miners this could have been the basis for a readjusting of those areas...It never happened..the Germans closed its industry region by region with such a generous plan in effect..Such an approach would not have served Thatcher's political purpose of the closure programme...

@Aan_allein

2 жыл бұрын

Thatcher owed those who wanted her destruction nothing.

@kailashpatel1706

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aan_allein so she destroyed the country in the process..we are dependent upon gas imports..great is it not..?

@epa2349

2 жыл бұрын

@@kailashpatel1706 She destroyed nothing. She brought UK out of an utter mess that was created by relying 30 yr of pro-socialist model. Britain was the sickman of Europe when she got here, it was declining fast. She tore down those post war settlements, ushered a new era of economic prosperity in UK that eventually contributed to the success of John Major & Tony Blair later. Without Thatcher, UK today would be another Spain. Also what's choice other than gas import. Coal? In today's world of climate change, even pro-fossil fuel people would move their nose on coal.

@chrisp4170

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds good, but in fact...The original action was to close Cortonwood pit, when mining became uneconomic there and redeploy people in exactly the manner that you prose and in exactly the way that the Germans did. It was Scargill who was looking for the fight. Maggie certainly obliged when she'd realized that he'd chose the wrong battlefield at the wrong time. Shutting down the vast majority of the remaining pits through strike action for a year ruined many pits, lost customers and destroyed confidence. It greatly brought forward the subsequent closures. Listen to Kinnock on Scargill...

@kailashpatel1706

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisp4170 So if that was the case why did they announce the Corton Wood pit closure along with several others in March 1984 with immediate effect..?

He is wearing a black tie for the British democratic process.

its a shame scargill could not get all the miners behind him then asked the biggest union to back them which was the transport & workers general union the the country would have come to a stand still with their backing & they would have beaten thatcher

@JamesRichards-mj9kw

6 ай бұрын

A national ballot would not have ensured the Nottinghamshire miners would have gone on strike.

Scargill began a fight he could not win. Coal mining should have been phased out during the 1960s.

The chickens are coming home to roost

On tv Arthur Scargill voice is softer

He kept saying that we produce the cheapest deep mined coal in the world, but there is an issue with this, and that is that no one uses coal anymore.

@davopen

4 жыл бұрын

uk coal imports about 10 million tons

Although it's easy in hindsight, France did invest heavily in nuclear power over coal and that's why we've had to sling a 2 gigawatt cable over to them to buy their cheaper electric as a result. But NO! Let's keep the uneconomical pits open just to keep folks in a (dummy) job.

@mboyvickerz

5 жыл бұрын

Is that why the Conservative government aimed to shut down 70 or more mines illegally? ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/72021000/png/_72021237_capture.png You cannot justify just decimating these communities of working class people, there should have been more security given to these workers so that they at least had time to prepare.

@MarineAqua45

4 жыл бұрын

rsturbolad26 Those towns were built on coal. Coal was their life-blood, for at least 200 years or so, just as Steel-production was Sheffields & Rotherham’s:metal-smithing & Engineering. Gun-smithing, Jewellery,etc was Birminghams. Thats how the town made its money & what employed people. Everything has a knock-on effect. Why can’t we produce British-branded: cars, guns, ships, etc,like how Germany does? The aim of the game is to work with the towns & make sure that there is sufficient employment, for people there. Force corporates to keep production in places like Newcastle for Toyotas, etc.

@juzzlookin

4 жыл бұрын

Oh you mean like our government who no longer run the country, why do they still have their noses in the trough. We haven't got a single MP who has any idea how a country should be run. None have ever done it since we joined the EU.

@MarineAqua45

4 жыл бұрын

juzzlookin Really? Then how comes Germany, France & even Holland, have all done well out of being in the EU & being serious manufacturing bases then? Did they do, what we stupid Brits, failed to do, which was to work together. In those countries, there is a lawful requirement, that everyone has to find common-ground & work together & failure to do this, is a criminal offence. Unions & staff-council members, sit on the board of directors, during meetings & on employment panels, unlike over here.

@CanadianMonarchist

Жыл бұрын

@@MarineAqua45In terms of the car industry, employees went on strike at the drop of a hat and cared diddly squat about how good their final products were.

When you look back it’s actually quite hilarious that a half with like Scargill thought he could take on Thatcher and win. He was more interested in lining his own pockets anyway. My sympathies go to the miners being led by this useless creature.

History has proven Arthur Scargill to have been on the right side of the argument.

@MarkHarrison733

11 ай бұрын

He destroyed the NUM.

Scargill is a working class hero. Tories deindustrialised Britain. All we are left with today are vaping shops and barbers. The Tories are a disgrace the TUC should call general strike to get rid of these comedians.

@MarkHarrison733

4 күн бұрын

Most deindustrialisation happened under Labour.

WigFanny

The interviewer is creepy.

A very great man. 👍

@stephenroche5107

4 жыл бұрын

James Henderson And you probably praise nuclear power instead you silly arse.

@stephenroche5107

4 жыл бұрын

James Henderson Astma and breathing difficulties are up and increasing yeah.

@MrDavey2010

3 жыл бұрын

Great spelt grate surely?

@stephenroche5107

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDavey2010 You are the enemy within.

@bobmcgahey1280

3 жыл бұрын

the greatest leader of the working class in my lifetime

I must say we could use Arthur today arguing for fossil fuels. He's certainly not a modern lefty

Is scargill dead yet?

Typical union bloke from the 70’s tried to justify jobs for life, his philosophy was “ its perfectly acceptable to keep mining coal at a loss until the last piece was mined”, incredible statement which he actually believed in, the man was a menace & Thatcher finished him.

@Mod-rw9cw

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Evans you need educating on the miners strike it was a personal Vendetta by the witch to destroy the miners for defeating Heath in 1972 and driving your scumbag Tory party out of power

@robbibittybob20

4 жыл бұрын

@James Henderson because the strike of 74 demonstrated that an organised union could defeat a government. No prime minister, especially one where intent on privatising public industries, would tolerate that.

Scargill was a lunatic

Unions got to strong

@mboyvickerz

5 жыл бұрын

Not strong enough sadly.

@Mod-rw9cw

4 жыл бұрын

No Scargill didn't ballot the miners if he had we would of won the strike

Utterly despicable man. He did not have the mine workers best interests at heart - he had his own self serving interests at heart!!!!!!..... he DESTROYED many coal mining towns almost single handedly!!!!!

@pureevilhotsauce6490

4 жыл бұрын

You talk bollocks dickhead. He did have unanimous support, scab tory.

@liamwatson4540

Жыл бұрын

What a car crash of a post

I couldn't stand him then and I still can't stand him. He was a grub.

Thatcher again