Nice work. I loaded your presets today and followed your instructions. Works very well. Thanks.

@matthiasmuller7380

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment :) There are more presets waiting to get uploaded😉

Thank you v much for making this video, good to see more Studio One users

Here's how I always dial in AT5 to sound authentic: 1. Turn interface input vol. to minimum to begin. 2. Set AT5 input slider to maximum. (ignore AT5 input clipping) 3. Choose just an amp and speaker cab in AT5 and dial it in to get the dirtiest unaffected tone you can. (Ie. Mesa, no FX or reverb) 4. Turn on your interface's monitor button so you can hear your clean non-amplitube guitar sound when you use the blue DI option in the chain on AT5. 5. Now turn up your interface input vol knob until your DI tone blends with your dirty AT5 amp tone so it's a 50/50% mix of DI and AT5 dirty tone. 6. Ignore any AT5 input red lights but make sure your interface input isn't red lighting. Adjust AT5 output gain to just under red lighting. 7. Now go to AT5 speaker choices with this distorted tone and see how much better the difference is between the speaker choices compared to before doing this. And now see how by quickly moving the room mikes from close together to further apart while playing, can actually be hearing a difference now (or more than before). Congrats. You now have it figured out. Now go readjust all your favorite presets with this new set-up and start enjoying all AT5 has to offer. And don't believe all the interface snake oil- all you need is 48000Hz, not 192000hz. Ampliube doesn't play nice above 48,000.

@fredfarkel2990

4 ай бұрын

Brilliant. This method works! Balancing DI with a dirty amp half and half using your interface input gain to set your levels, automatically compensates for the differences in everyone's audio interfaces, which is something IK multimedia can never account for. You can never account for differences in guitars so you just have to live with tweaking as per guitar change but at least this is tolerable and sounding a ton better now. Pinch harmonics really squeal now! Well done usta4070- Your efforts are appreciated.👍

@07dhiraj

4 ай бұрын

Means goal is to let amplitube clip but protect interface clipping at any cost 🎉💐 ... And not going beyond interface max input level provided in the manual👍👍

@oinkooink

4 ай бұрын

I dunno what he was doing in this video but all those tones sounded bad. Not sure if it was the playing or his guitar or what. But everything sounded bad.

@lulikastrati5911

Ай бұрын

Hi mate, I know this is from three months ago but I am interested tn your method, as it seems to make good logical sense. Can I please clarify few points? On point 4 you say:Turn on your interface's monitor button so you can hear your clean non-amplitube guitar sound when you use the blue DI option in the chain on AT5. The monitor button gives you non amplitube sound so I dont get the Blue DI AT5 part? Are you saying set the monitor level to match the AT DI level first? Also confused abuot point 5. Wont increasing the input level on your interface also increase the dirty amp level? Wont both keep increasing? Thank you in advance, really appreciatet it if you can advise.

@oinkooink

Ай бұрын

@@lulikastrati5911 None of it is rocket science. There's no voodoo or special weird tricky method. Plug your guitar cable into your interface/ input and give it some gain that you think is about right. Play what you want to play. If you really want to get involved then bounce the track to audio. If it's peaking around -12db you're alright. If it's way more than that or way less then adjust. Seriously this is a rabbit hole not worth going down.

muchisimas gracias 😩

In the beggining i was thinking this was some random ideas but it actually works and it gives a more real sound. It's a YES for me :D

Hi! I didn't found the maximum input level for the Behringer Guitar Link UCG102. Someone knows if there's a defaul value for this model of sound card, and which value I can use? Thanks.

Thanks for the great work, What to do with the gain pedal does they also need gain to work right, just thinking of the links Boost-gain-amp? Gain-boost-amp? Just a question need some pedal boost/gain up to work right like the amps does need some and some don't?

@matthiasmuller7380

5 ай бұрын

Hi, thanks for your comment :) Yes, it's the same thing with distortion pedals. Most likely they will have a different calibration level as the amp(model) you are using. I tried to find a way for Amplitube pedals but as far as i remember it got really messy and didnt worked out as hoped/expected, so i stopped. Maybe i will give it a try again in the future. In my tests it seemed pretty accurate with Audiority pedals. (As far as i know) they are calibrated to 1V AC = 0dBFS. But you will need a DAW to load the chain: (Gain Plugin) [1V AC = 0dBFS calibration] - (Audiority) [pedal] - (Amplitube or Gain Plugin) [boost/cut from the list] - (Amplitube) [amp] For Amplitube Pedals I can only give you some "tips" if you want to experiment for yourself. - First calibrate for your interface to 1V AC (or 0dBu) = 0dBFS. - Load the Amp model of your likings and put the pedal with the corresponding boost or cut in the second pedal rack in Amplitube (after the split function/ after the " --> "). - In the first pedal rack load the pedal you want to use and put it between 2 7 band eq pedals. (eg. [7band] - [overscream] - [7band] ) (- If you have a reference, set the pedal to the same settings) - now, start to adjust the volume on the first eq pedal and always compensate on the second one. (eg. -6 on the first / +6 on the second) - In (my) theory this should work but somehow it didnt. As far as i remember, there was a problem with the compensating pedal, so i ended up bypassing it. - you can bypass the amp and cab, so you can better hear and analyze whats actually going on. However, i still put pedals in my ToneNet Presets because you can still use them, they still give you the characteristics of the pedal. But not in an accurate way to the real deal. ... Hope i could help :)

@timec818

5 ай бұрын

@@matthiasmuller7380 thanks for that great answer 👍

@timec818

5 ай бұрын

@@matthiasmuller7380 i will hopefully there will be a standard in the near future for plugin and all the Digital/software stof

Hi, I wonder if this way to set up, is just for Amplitube? Because any other videos I've found on YT are skipping the part where you add +13dB. They're saying to boost / cut a specific value, which varies for each plugin developer depending on how sensitive is the gain structure in the amp sim. I've contacted Nembrini for example, and they confirmed that the plugins needs to see at the input 1 Vp = 0.707 VRMS = -0.79 dBu equals -13 dBFS.

@matthiasmuller7380

5 ай бұрын

Hi, Yes this Video is only for Amplitube, but its based on the same principle. In fact they don't skip the step where you calibrate your interface to a specific value (their reference point), but they skip the next step (getting the right gain for the amp model). On most amp sims you dont need this because once calibrated, all amp or pedal models are working correctly. As Ed already said in comments on his Video (and others), IK dont want to play ball.... They dont give any information and its very clear that they use different calibration levels/reference points all over the place. So i decided to make this speadsheet to (hopefully) give you a good starting point, but only IK can give most accurate and official numbers. Hope i could help :)

@OrangeMicMusic

5 ай бұрын

@@matthiasmuller7380 Thanks for reply, now I got it. Yes, one of the guys I was talking about is Es S. I'm using his spreadsheet with the gain values for all plugins and now they sound fantastic. Your Amplitube gain values list is awesome, it's working. But I stopped using Amplitube just because it's unreliable, setting different gain values for different amps in the same plugin is ridiculous.

@OrangeMicMusic

5 ай бұрын

​@@matthiasmuller7380yes, very helpful. Thanks 😁

Hi Mattias, I have a question about the interface gain that needs to be set to 0. All the way left. Is that on the interface itself or in the DAW? I use a focusrite and Ableton. I have been looking all over and i believe that there is no way to control any interface gain in Ableton itself. When i add a Ableton Utility in in front of the Amplitube plug in and boost that with 13.3 and use the setting you provided in the spreadsheet, it just sounds terrible. I believe that i do something wrong there. The knob on my focusrite it set to 6 o'clock. Thanks

@matthiasmuller7380

15 күн бұрын

Hi, Input Knob on your Interface goes to zero/all the way left. But keep in mind that your current presets will sound different anyway. You will need to readjust them.

Hi Matthias, how would this approach work with tonex?

@matthiasmuller7380

Ай бұрын

Hi, Cant say that much about Tonex since i dont use it much but... Tonex is different and even more complicated/difficult. There is another KZreadr who made a video about input gain with Tonex (Software). According to his video it seems (to me) that Tonex expect a 1V = 0dBFS (or 0dBu = 0dBFS, whitch is quite close) input. But then there is still the problem that everyone is using different levels and different chains for the capture process. Whithout a calibration level for each capture the only thing you can do is to guess and experiment. Best advice i can give is to calibrate to 1V or 0dBu = 0dBFS, start there and then experiment with the input gain:/

damn why such a good tutorial only have this viewer

Hi, just to resume without using a daw. Focuserite 6i6: 1) knob on interface on 'zero' (all the way left); 2) where do I increase 12.0 +0.79=12.79? On input of amplitube? 3) Then from the amp list (example '65 Twin Reverb:+9) without the amplitube Slash booster or amplitube eq , where do I increase the +9 DB? If I use other pedals in amplitube like booster or distortion or any pedal that increases other DB, that do will get some effect about the balancing performed? Thanks N.B. It will be very useful a short video on how setup it with garageband, for the reason that it's free on mac. Thanks a lot

@matthiasmuller7380

10 күн бұрын

Hi, 1) exactly 2) yes, on the input slider in amplitube 3) You can use the Graphic or Parametric EQ instead (just the level control), but you will need (in most cases) one of those modules because the input slider in amplitube simply doesn't allow for enough gain. 4) It depends where you put it in your chain. But basically, no it doesn't change the "balancing". If you use any other pedals you can use them just like normal. You can see the pedal/module thats needed for the boost from the list as part of the amp. It's just here to get the simulated amp to behave closer to the real one (because IK messed it up). I already wrote a few comments how it "works" with pedals and that/why they have their problem too. ... I don't use mac and therefore no garageband or logic but its basically the same for any DAW and really not complicated. ;)

@bennimei

9 күн бұрын

@@matthiasmuller7380 Thanks a lot Matthias, now everything is ok: your advice is to achieve as a real deal works, then everyone can add whathever like just as far as in a real deal! Great!

As per manual my interface's instrument input , max INPUT level is +22dBV @min gain ... Shall i add 0.79 dB to it ? How much gain should i set up using Mixtool plugin to bring it to 0 dBFS ..... Thx !!

@matthiasmuller7380

4 ай бұрын

dBV or dBu ? what interface do you use?

@07dhiraj

4 ай бұрын

@@matthiasmuller7380 my manual says it's 22dBV which translates to 17.6 dBU ... Thx to Eddy ..smwhr he commented that 1 dBV = 1.244 dBU 💐💐 ... Also after lot of reading I found out neural Dsp zero = 12.2 dBU .... Now m curious to know wht AT5 zero equals to ? 😀✅🎉🎉💐

@matthiasmuller7380

4 ай бұрын

@@07dhiraj Neural DSP is using 12.2 dBu = 0dBFS for all of their Plugins/ Amp Models Amplitube is using different calibration levels for different Amp Models, some are around +12dBu = 0dBFS, some are around -24dBu = 0dBFS, or something in between. Neural DSP is answering our Questions IK Multimedia dont want to Thats the reason i did this (and why i say that only IK can give the correct values). Its maybe guesswork but better to have this (at least as starting point) than comletely spitballing.

@07dhiraj

4 ай бұрын

@@matthiasmuller7380 if we get that number then only we can proceed with further increase gain on plugin as per your uploaded list for each amp on TG page... Bcz until the interface isn't calibrated on 1 V , 0 dBFS any further dialing of gain is pointless bcz that may not be how the real amp would respond 💐💐👍👍

@matthiasmuller7380

4 ай бұрын

@@07dhiraj If IK would give us these number(s), my list would not be needed anymore. But yeah, using the list without calibrating to 1V AC = 0dBFS will give you results that are not intended.

Wait… so I should be running zero gain on my on my interface input. Then I’m to add 20db(per my manual) input gain via some random plug in or I would guess channel trim in the daw? Then… then again boost for the example used in this video another 24db within Amplitube? That’s crazy 44db of digital gain! I’ve been using about 8-10 for my main guitar via my interface I put gain knob and I need to add another 34? This seems way over the top. I am of course going to try this asap cause I’m curious. I felt like I was maybe a little short on input gain but I was thinking 4db not 34db. Ok well I’ll see you in another videos comment section I guess.

@matthiasmuller7380

4 ай бұрын

Hi, the amount of gain you need is different for each model. As you can see on the list, on some models you will reduce the gain after your calibration to 1V. And yes, the amount of gain for the Zwreck model is ridiculous, but it is what it is.... you can compare to youtube demos of the real amp. Set the amp model to the same settings as shown in the video, take a guitar with roughly the same output and compare if you get close to the gain response of the real amp.

@stevewoodyt

4 ай бұрын

@@matthiasmuller7380 I’ve been experimenting with my setup. I like this better than the way I was doing it before. I’m mostly playing thrash kind of stuff so it’s not all that big of a deal for me. I hear the difference now and I think I understand except for where the number come from for the individual amps. Why is one say -3 but others are +24 and what are they based on? Again, it doesn’t really matter for my application I’m just curious. If it sounds good it sounds good. I was also experimenting with different plugins to do the headroom boost part. Try throwing a clipper in there and boosting the input. This has opened my eyes to so many more ways to shape tones. Thanks.

@matthiasmuller7380

4 ай бұрын

@@stevewoodyt As i said, each Amp model is calibrated differently in AT5, so each amp needs different input gain to respond like the real counterpart. Thats why we need different values for different models. I compared each model to the real amp (mostly to video demos) and came up with a number where the model behaves the closest to the real deal (with same settings on both). Its not the perfect solution because there is a lot of guesswork involved but its the best we/i can do. A more accurate way would be that IKM tells us these numbers (but they won't...). And even better would be if they would use a consistent calibration level for all pedal/amp models and just tell us one number. Like NDSP or other companys. Maybe in the future.... . I'm glad you like it and it sounds better for you :) ,but the main reason for this is not necessarily that it sounds "better", the main reason is that it sounds and react more like the real counterpart. So feel free to re - adjust the settings on the amp to where you like it, but now you know that some amps are maybe not that hot as you thought (or vice versa). If you use a clipper instead of a normal trim plugin you would get basically (kind of) a distortion pedal infront of the amp, but my method would not work like intended. Don't be afraid to get red lights. This is not "clipping", its just an indicator. Modern DAWs and Plugins can work with so much headroom, its ridiculous. BUT! Don't go in the red on the way in and out of your interface!

Basically solution is to add gain from external like a gain plugin to compensate the gain loss ? 🤔

@matthiasmuller7380

4 ай бұрын

No, not really. - When setting the input on your interface to zero you make sure you have a known headroom (which is different from interface to interace). - With this known headroom you can calibrate your interface to a specific value. - For most amp sims this would be enough but since every model in amplitube is calibrated to a different value, you need to change this value for each amp model to get the correct response from the amp. There are different reasons why to add the gain inside the software and not on the interface. In short, it's just the easiest way...... which prevents you from clipping, not requires to always change settings (and doing maths for each change), meassuring with multimeters, etc. ....

Basically just follow your ear Until sounds good because what people assume sounds good is subjective

@matthiasmuller7380

3 ай бұрын

I agree that good tone is very subjective. Thats the reason i said in the beginning of the video that this video is NOT about showing how to get "good tone". Your approach is fine if you just want to achieve some tones you are happy with and don't care if the actual amp would be even close to it (or you know exactly how all the different amps react and know what to expect from them). But then,.... IK's marketing claims that they have the "most realistic amp sim", they have officialy licenced amps and they recreate the picture of the real amp on their GUI to push this marketing strategy. If it's not their goal to make a faithful emulation of the real amp, then why would all this even matter? (It would only be very confusing, right?) (One) Problem is that a lot of people buy amplitube because they want to explore all the different amps and see how they sound and react (without owning the actual amp). but going after your approach means that they have to be very familliar with the real amp at first, before they can get a realistic response from the amplitube model. This leads to people thinking that you always have to push "amp x" with an distortion pedal and crank the gain to get enough distortion. Or other way around, they think "amp y" is not capable of a clean tone, even with gain at ~1. Both is probably not true with the real amp. Now back to the "good tone topic": With this method you will have a starting point how the real amp will react and also what impact it makes when you change guitar, pickup height etc. . After that its completly up to you what guitar you use, if or what pedals you use, how you set the settings on the amp, how you place the mics, etc.,etc.... . These should be the things to craft your tone and in my opinion this is a fun process. Fiddling around with input gain and hoping that it's right is not very fun (in my opinion).

You are using always the same 2 recorded wave files. I don t understand

@l3b0wzki

3 ай бұрын

The recorded files were clean tones straight into the audio interface. Amplitube is just like a pedal on a board, so you can turn it on and off to try different amps on the same direct line file 💪🏻

Welp I know what I’m gonna be doing for a few hours tonight. Again, no writing just fiddling.

@jameslightningappleby

Ай бұрын

Great this amp sims init. Makes it so much easier 🙄🤣

@stevewoodyt

Ай бұрын

@@jameslightningapplebydo huh?

"What has the room mics to do with a realistic responce from the amp? " Nothing and nobody said it will. You're reading wayyy too much into this bro. The room mics is an example of how AT5 becomes more responsive and changes are more apparent once you have a hot enough input signal. When your input is too low, it's less apparent what center of speaker vs edge of speaker mic'ing does and stereo speaker spread is less apparent within AT5. In other words, it livens things up within AT5. The only thing AT5 makers tell you is don't clip your interface. Even their own presets are all over the map. This is a journey everyone must take on their own and one size doesn't fit all.

a me non funziona .

@matthiasmuller7380

3 ай бұрын

I cant speak Italien. What does not work?

@robik8652

3 ай бұрын

praticamente mi rimangono tutti gli amplificatori puliti con un rumore di fondo impressionante, neanche se alzo il gain al massimo della mia presonus68C fa tutto quel rumore. tu hai fatto un tutorIal ben definito , non capisco dove sbaglio. sulle specificeh tecniche mi da questo : Line Inputs Maximum Level +22 dBu (balanced, Minimum Gain)

@matthiasmuller7380

3 ай бұрын

@@robik8652 You want to use the Instrument Input on your Interface, not the Line input. (Even with active Pickups) Inst Input specs for your Interface are: Maximum Level: +15 dBu (unbalanced, min gain) If you do this correctly there should not be much noise/hum/hiss added from the interface itself. But there could be other reasons like grounding issues, etc. . Also the amp models itself are adding Noise, but thats not really in our hand to change.

@robik8652

3 ай бұрын

@@matthiasmuller7380grazie mille ci proverò.

Am I understanding this correctly -- I am using a Focusrite Solo 3rd Gen interface which is +12.5 dbu at Gain 0 So following your advice , I would have 12.5 + 0.79 = 13.29 So I have interface on Min (instrument input full left) However I am using the Brit8000 amp which your chart states has an amp input value of -12 This ends up being Focusrite Gain (minimum- far left on dial) Amplitube Iinput gain = 13.29 - 12.00 = 1.29 on the Amplitube Input Slider This is almost a "wash" cancelling each other out. Is this correct ? This is a pretty weak input signal With a Fender Strat the interface input HALOS barely light green at all unless picking hard. Many passages are played without the Focusrite Instrument input lights turning green at all. And this is almost no added input gain inside Amplitube The resulting INPUT signal is only about 45-50% in the software Did I understand your instructions properly ? This seems to produce a very thin tone and weak touch response -------- the tone seems much fuller and the "feel" is more chunky if the Amplitube input gain is at 0.0 and the Focusrite gain is adjusted to the point where the input is GREEN .. but never crosses into orange or red at all Thanks for your reply and feedback on my question ?

@matthiasmuller7380

7 ай бұрын

Hi, i already answered your question on TGP but i will do it here again so other people can read it too. Yes, looks like you are doing everything correctly. That the numbers nearly cancelling each other out is only the combination from your interface and the Brit8000 Model. If you use a different interface or amp model this number could look completely different. I had to find a way thats useable for all kind of different interface/amp model combination. So, even if it sounds "stupid" because the numbers are cancelling each other out in this example, i think overall its the best and easiest way. Even if your lights on the Interface doesn't light up, your Input level is still not THAT low. As long as you don't get any problems with high noisefloor (which should not be the case) you are fine. I think -12 is pretty close to the response of a real JCM800. Of course it sounded fatter and louder with your "regular" gain staging but not accurate to the real deal and of course, if you want the same amount of gain as before you would need to compensate with the gain knob on the actual amp (or with a pedal, etc...). Maybe you also need to play with the output to match the loudness you had before. (with a different amp model it can be exactly the other way around) You can think of it like you always played with a boost pedal (with unknown settings) in front of your amp. Now, with this method you removed this pedal. ;) (Of course if you liked the sound, feel free to add it back in, but know you know (and see) this is the sound of a fender into a jcm800 with a clean boost in front and not the amp alone) Hope i could help :)

@07dhiraj

4 ай бұрын

haha ..exactly thts what i thought after this math ..here in Dr Z we were adding the gain so it was sounding nice in demo ..but what if we have to minus the gain values as in your case of amp chosen ..The gain will be nearly zero producing very weak sound . Seems really confusing regarding what we are trying to achieve .... Pls explain to me also what you ve understood so far from this video. Cheers !

@matthiasmuller7380

4 ай бұрын

@@07dhiraj We try to achieve to get the correct response from the amp model, when you set your gain to, lets say 4, you should get the same amount of gain in amplitube as with the real amp. The goal is not to boost every amp so it has more gain as the real counterpart (or before calibration). Because it seems that each amp model is calibrated differently, we need different values for different models.

@07dhiraj

4 ай бұрын

@@matthiasmuller7380 yep got it .. after calibrating to 1 V , 0 dbFS we can anyway later increase gain frm amp knobs instead of messing with interface gain 👍👍🙏

my easy way is just crank up my audio interface gain knob at 11 o'clock

@fpcawolff

Ай бұрын

did you even watch the video?

You can't use it wrong.This is Amplitube 5 and you can't expect super quality.This is ONLY Amplitube 5.This is not the best amp sim in the world.This is an average sound people.That is that.I prefer single amps from different amps maker.One good amp is better than all Amplitube.

@Separade

6 ай бұрын

ok

@RYVENANT

5 ай бұрын

This is like saying "you can't gain stage wrong... levels are levels"

@johnk7147

5 ай бұрын

i think you're missing the point of this video...which is very helpful