I'm noticing that it seems that many don't understand the difference between having an experience and relationship with JESUS CHRIST and Being the Church; Versus attending Church, religious activities, events, rituals, etc.

@selah6001

2 жыл бұрын

That’s true

@antoniocurryoldchannel9747

2 жыл бұрын

Yup

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

@kareempope6659

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the first question of do you still consider yourself a Christian...the answers were nowhere near yes because I have a relationship with God becaue of Jesus. They seem to name that they have better rituals instead of Jesus. I feel like these are unbelievers or babes who have not been discipled. Also no one mentioned discipleship. Going and making disciples is the call of all believers in Christ. @Tracey Brave...in short I totally agree

@shaylakelly3888

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

So sad I’m a teacher/preacher at church and I feel like we( those of us in leadership) have failed them. Praying for these young people… This is bigger than not attending church! Some on the panel are now unsure mostly because of lack of understanding, wrong teaching, ritualistic behavior, and abuse…

@LivingOnPurpose1

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting.

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

True

@tracey1brave.

2 жыл бұрын

@Blessed One I agree. Yet, so many Church Leaders are blind to it and assume it's consumerism.

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

We can’t put all the blame on leadership because like a student that goes to school when there kid isn’t doing good in school, many parents want to blame the teacher. The teacher can’t make the student do the work if there unwilling to apply the teachings etc. funny how we don’t put the blame on our employers or bosses because we getting a paycheck which causes us to endure our jobs.

@kateasheley7404

2 жыл бұрын

@@calebcranke777 If a teacher comes into class and bullies, ignores or does horrible things to the students then the teacher is to blame. The same goes for church leaders who see or even participate in bullying, stealing, gossiping, making people feel like they don't belong or even molestation. Behaviours like these can drive people from the church and I have seen these things happen in the several churches I have attended.

I feel like a lot of this group doesn’t understand that Christian means follower of Christ. A belief in the Godman who died for the sins of the world. They keep saying the dark side of Christianity but that doesn’t make since being that we are people of the light. They don’t seem to make a clear distinction between Religion or religious groups and a personal relationship with Christ. At the end of the day are you a Christian comes down to of your heart toward the saving Grace or Christ death on the cross.

@jamesengland7461

2 жыл бұрын

True, and partly I think it's because they saw way too much church and way too little of following Jesus.

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

Great breakdown 👆🏿. We often will tolerate\long suffering for employers/jobs or toxic relationship but when it comes to the church 1 offense it’s I’m gone. I think the only difference is 1 gives people a paycheck and the other doesn’t. However the job is only beneficial on this earth and the spiritual relationship, teachings of God reward is eternal life which is greater in the end. I’m not saying to be abused by a person in the church but as the body were suppose to keep each other accountable. Yes being a Christian isn’t easy because of the persecution that comes with it spirituality and naturally. We know that to be a follower of Christ we would/will experience the same persecution as he did. It comes with it. Also I know a lot of people who went to school and graduated and retained nothing. I used that as an example that you can be in the church for years and not open your Bible and seeking God to get his understanding. At some point you have to make a decision to deny yourself and pick up your cross and follow Jesus. Or you will just have a form of godliness and denying his true power. Its a process, continues to seek God through his son Jesus Christ. Also get to know him through his word.

@llb2233

2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand this the bible clearly states Do not forsake meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another-and all the more as you see the Day approaching. Hebrews 10:25. I'm not sure if these people are true authentic Christians or just false converts. There are certainly bad churches out here with all kinds of false doctrine but that doesn't mean to stop going altogether we are all needed in the body IF in fact you are a real Christian.

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

@@llb2233 well said!!! I agree

@troybody115

2 жыл бұрын

@@calebcranke777 but, a job never claims to know the mind of God. Also the millenials are less likely to stay at one job because they see how America has shipped companies over seas to communist China. Also, see the video: "How Conservatism Co Opted Christianity"?

Jesus is looking for a relationship with us all personally. He wants more than for us to go to Church. The more time we spend with Him the more He’ll reveal his purpose for our lives.

@LivingOnPurpose1

2 жыл бұрын

I agree

@drescorpio1114

2 жыл бұрын

That's it!

@captaincori9469

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

@saywhatondat

2 жыл бұрын

💯

@grandmasbrown3804

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, HE wants more than going to church. He wants it ALL because HE purchased us with HIS royal, precious , holy blood. He wants us to spend time with HIM wherever we are. Its amazing that we can spend 8 hours on a job 5 days a week and put up with all kinds of abuse and demands and go faithfully, yet can't go to church once or twice a week. WOW. Stop the pitiful excuses you want to do what you want to do Monday -Saturday and you don't want To feel convicted by the Word of GOD on Sunday .

The younglady with the locs, she doesn't have a relationship with Jesus, she went to church like many people do but don't take the time to read His word, pray and ask Him to reveal Himself. When you're in any type of relationship with someone you spend time getting to know them. It's not about Baptist, Pentecostal, COGIC, Catholic etc its about Jesus who is the Rock, as He said upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. Abide in Him and He will abide in me. Folks need to be discipled.

@siobhansyt

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I feel the same. I don’t believe she was ever likely saved, it doesn’t seem that she ever accepted Christ she was just raised in the environment but never had an encounter with Christ that changed her life. Deconstruction of faith is not bad. It tells you who’s who, where you stand and you get clear on that. But the best deconstruction studies it all the through and those that truly belong to Christ will see there is no other way to God but though Christ. One cannot separate Christ from God as she has. That would mean god would need to separate from himself and he cannot do such a thing. She seems to be going into more of a new age religious direction, which is much more Hindu in nature. But God is not in everything, that is a false gospel. I hope she realizes that. All of those gods are dead, only ONE rose and is alive to back up what he said and that is Jesus Christ!

@ValerieJean757

2 жыл бұрын

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes

@Bantuqueen01

2 жыл бұрын

Do you know that the letter J wasnt around ..please research history of Religion. The first slave ship was call Jesus.

@Peace2dagawdz

2 жыл бұрын

Yall are so judgemental.. smh

@Bantuqueen01

2 жыл бұрын

@@Peace2dagawdz thats because they lack knowledge, wisdom and understanding. Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, because thou rejected knowledge then i will reject thee. Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. The slave massa messed them.up with christianity.

Before We Ask Are You A Christian? We Should Ask What Does It Mean To Truly Be A Christian...What Is The Definition Of Being A Christian?

@k.h.a.l.i.l.

2 жыл бұрын

now this is a word. cause in this new age, the definitions are getting muddy.

@kylemanningjcic1333

2 жыл бұрын

@@k.h.a.l.i.l. Exactly...

@eastsideapologetics6147

2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@Kris77777

2 жыл бұрын

A Christian is one who has completely surrendered every area of their lives to the ownership of Christ. They follow Him and forsake their own way, their own will, their sin and way of doing things in favor of Him and His ways alone. A Christian has been born of the Spirit (born again) and chose to follow Jesus even if it may cost them their very lives. This is what a 'follower of Christ' looks like in the scriptures, so I'll go with that.

@hunchbackaudio

2 жыл бұрын

Often when people start a sentence with "As a Christian", starting their sentence with "As a hypocrite" would have been a much better choice of words.

I think we can't generalize what experience and stain in to "the church". If you have a bad experience with a doctor, you don't stop going to the doctor completely. You go find a new doctor. You don't look for dentist or a teacher for what only the doctor can do, but you find a new doctor.

@whatshatnin4572

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's what they are doin. Replacing the doctor that didnt work for them with a new doctor. Replacing one beleif system with another belief system. Perhaps for them Christianity is the bad doctor and they are in the process of goin in a different direction that suits them better

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

@gwutv4371

2 жыл бұрын

Yea bro i agree not dismissing their experiences and it true that God gives us different gifts and talents and put us in different jobs in this world but all thee issues they brought doesn't cover all the churches my opinion is that you should find the church that's best for you if you have questions I'm sure there going be someone who can answer them if you unsure about teaching ask the Holy spirit to give you discernment

@Annx70s

2 жыл бұрын

Eventually you stop altogether has church become commercialized? Is that why people have been no longer gathering under one roof? The church is inside you. But what church?

@whatshatnin4572

2 жыл бұрын

@@Annx70s people have stop goin to church for more than just the church being commercialized. These days mythology is not as important as it was in the past. Young folks rather KNOW history than BELEIVE in mythology

It seems that they struggle with understanding with relationship aspect of Christianity.

I was brought up in church my whole life and it wasn’t until 2 years ago (26 now) that I actually understood the true meaning of Christianity and this spiritual battle. 24 years & nothing to show. It’s something I had to seek myself away from church. It’s hard for me to find a church home now my eyes are open so I can understand them. Our elders failed us but we are responsible for ourselves. Jesus is everything. Praying for their spiritual awakening

@chrisyang7411

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Lola. Our elders did not fail us as much as we tend to fail ourselves. By not reading the Bible and depending on others for spiritual growth, it hampers our walk. Remember the words in the Bible that say...Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD. I believe it's Jeremiah 17 My mother warned me to never look at the people, and too look to God. Wish you well on your journey.

@loveyb9090

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisyang7411 no our elders did fail us. Stop trying to take away from her point.

I went to church for spiritual renewal, fellowship, stewardship, to learn and apply biblical teaching. I stop going to church because it mirrored what I need renewal from; the church resembled the world. I choose to study at home, have biblical discussions & questions with friends, sometimes strangers if the conversation permits. Picking up the bible for me instead of taking the word of Pastors, Ministers, Priests, etc is the best way to learn and develop a relationship with God. We all have to go before God for ourself.

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

I used to do the same thing. I did that for 18 years. No church just study the bible. 18 years later I went to church one sunday and the deacons had atm machines ready to take offerings. It was a bunch of shouting, payin and crip walkin goin on that Sunday. Preacher didn't even open the bible.

Yes these people don't understand the relationship of Christ none of them mentioned their personal relationship n how it connects to The Church which is the body of Christ. We do need fellowship it sharpens n strengthens our relationship to Christ. Prayer, study n guidance is needed. There needs to be other nationalities also its not just black people that are disconnected from the body.

@gracefullyguidedinfaith417

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, no one is talking about their personal relationship with Jesus. And also the one young lady says she doesn't open her Bible. If that's the main way He speaks to us although it many ways however he pleases then I think she could try that and be sincere and ask God to reveal Himself to you.... but I glad to hear them but I believe they truly don't know. I pray they learn because they were me.

@naturallymemarie9650

2 жыл бұрын

The girl on the left clearly talked about her relationship with God and how she carries her faith outside of the church and is influenced by her relationship with God. Did you not hear that or were you just quick to jump to the comments and make a concusion without watching the ENTIRE video?

Lisa is such a professional…. such a gracious listener…..

The first clip I saw was them talking about why they left the church. My first thought was that the church probably failed these people; they most likely don't have a proper understanding of the gospel and what the Bible actually teaches. This video confirmed that for me.

@curtiswilliams3272

2 жыл бұрын

Local congregations are often equated with the body of Christ- there are local congregations who are serving the whole family and the whole man. Folks must be transparent and admit that they are not interested in Lordship salvation.

These Youngstas have a lot of courage.. A lot more courage than my generation had at their age. Its good to see young black folks start trying to think for themselves. I hope they find the truths that will give them peace.

@MRKG28

2 жыл бұрын

A lot people judge Christianity based on the person who introduced them to it

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

@@MRKG28 I agree with you and I feel that it is human nature to judge what you have been introduced to by the person or people who introduced it to you. This is why most of us would not take food offered to us by a crackhead. But Black Folks in America were introduced to Christianity by slave masters and 80% of us are still Christian. Seems like the majority of us do NOT judge the people who introduced us to Christianity. That's interesting to me. And all religions and deities are introduced to us by man. I dont know of any deities that has ever personally introduced itself to man. So for me it is interesting to see the light come on and how people start to think for themselves.

@eastsideapologetics6147

2 жыл бұрын

I wasn’t introduced to Christianity by a slave master

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

@@eastsideapologetics6147 If you are black in America then its a good chance that your elders and or ancestors were introduced to Christianity by slave masters.. You might have gotten introduced to bible god by ya uncle who got it from his mom, your granny, who got it from her mom who got from her mom who got it from a slave master. A nation of people who get introduced to their god by slave masters is suspect at best

@eastsideapologetics6147

2 жыл бұрын

@Old School You automatically assume that slave masters were the only people living in America at that time. 1. Not all slave masters considered themselves Christians (if you want proof of this, I have sources I can provide) 2. Not all slaves held one spiritual/religious worldview. Some were Muslims and Christians and some practiced African religions before coming here. (I can provide sources for that as well.

The true followers of Jesus have ALOT of work to do in restoring His church!

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

Amen a lot of work

@anthonydorris9200

2 жыл бұрын

Amen, so true!

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

History says the best way to establish a church or spread the gospels is through slavery or other high levels of oppression. Its hard to establish a Christian church with free healthy people. People need to be jailed or hungry or suffering to make it easier to establish or restore His Church. This is why the Church is so popular in Africa, poor Caribbean nations and in the ghettos of America.. This is why when you look at a map of the slave states in America and then compare that map with a map of the bible belt, you basically get the same map. The bible flourished in the states that had slaves..

@Muffiebell

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldschool5 that is an interesting thought. In the Bible, God would often bring trials and tribulations on people as a way to bring them closer to Him. The “black church” has prospered so much that they have to manufacture pseudo struggles and oppression and then seek to rectify it themselves and the end results show up as chaos and confusion ie BLM or Antifa. Anything outside of Christ is dead and doomed. But we are coming up on a time very soon where the the God of the Old Testament is going to shake this planet. He is preparing to judge sin and unrighteousness. Every knee will bow.. but for those that abide in the shadow of the almighty He will hide you😔

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

@@Muffiebell So making people suffer to bring them closer to you is godlike? So when the Christians enslaved us and gave us Christianity was that just god bringing us closer to him?

Also this video points out that when we don’t read and study the Bible there can be no spiritual growth! These dear people are babies in the faith some aren’t even alive in Christ. The lack of scripture coming from them is alarming. The one dear sister with the locks says that she’s been in church for years but couldn’t defend belief in Jesus or Christianity if she wanted to. The lack of discipleship in our communities of faith is the cause of this.

@sarawinardi6745

2 жыл бұрын

That’s the thing. A lot of people believe that because you’re in church or parents are Christians, it automatically makes them Christians,

@dugebuwembo

2 жыл бұрын

So you think that the written word in the bible isn't problematic? I don't get how some Christians preach about scripture and ignore the very issues that lie there...

@deonsmith5183

2 жыл бұрын

Actually they dont lack alot, because they are active in becoming the church in there actions! Some of you all read the word and it still don't transform none of ya, ya still doing all kind of filthy things so we need to stop with the binary arguments and have nuance in this conversation because none of us know it all!

@Bro_Joe

2 жыл бұрын

@@dugebuwembo What's problematic about the Bible? What are the very issues that lie there?

@dugebuwembo

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bro_Joe The endorsement of slavery old and new testament, the idea of a god gifting a people a piece of land that never belonged to them based on the idea that they are God's chosen people allowing them to get away with all kinds of f*ckry, the misogyny & xenophobia. The claim that human beings have inherited original sin from Adam when there was no Adam or Eve or a magic Garden called Eden where these people were tempted and fell as result of eating the apple. The preposterous idea that Noah is humanities paternal ancestor and that he lived till the ripe old age of 950!

The spirit of religion has these people gripped and blinded. Traditions of man are followed over the teachings of Christ, this is a result of that.

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

No one has rally explained what they did at the church etc what was being taught? I often find it that many Christian’s/believers exemplify some of the examples of the biblical parable of the sower and the seed. Many believers get the word chocked out of them or fall in the other buckets. It’s crazy an unbeliever or believer when they ask a person how was church and the person says it was good you should of been there or we shouted all service. Jesus didn’t die for us to do that, he died for us to tell and share the good news of his death, burial and resurrection

@MissMuttonmeat

2 жыл бұрын

What is the spirit of religion? The concept of religion first started with Animist beliefs.

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

@@MissMuttonmeat religion sometimes gets a bad knock. When the Bible talks about pure religion in James 1:27. Thats what the Christian religion or “The way” faith should be like or stick to. James 1:26-27 “If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.” ‭‭ I think when people say spirit of religion meaning the vain traditions of men that aren’t biblical. It’s almost people can’t take the persecution from the world when they identify themselves as a believer/Christian when the Bible speaks we will be persecuted in his namesake. Doesn’t mean you won’t have your trials and tribulations however when those thugs occur you have God to see you through them with his word and deeds

@zijohnson1

2 жыл бұрын

@@MissMuttonmeat The spirit of religion stops the move of God. All throughout scripture we see it, it's rooted in traditions of men and pleasing man over pleasing God and keeping the status quo. It's putting tradition over true relationship with Abba and giving that supreme importance than your relationship with Him. Jesus came to establish the Kingdom not religion, He went against the grain and that made the religious spirit angry, it manifested in the high priest, Pharisees, and Sadducees. Pilate didn't want to kill Jesus but the religious leaders did.

Lord, I am praying for my generation. It breaks my heart that church hurt, trauma and doubts about faith have blinded so many of us to who God is. Fellowship in the church is important, however relationship is the standard. That is what God desires most, intimacy. When you feel lost and have questions you should read your bible, it is the true and LIVING word of God. In Christ Jesus lie hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge (Col 2:3)... all you have to do is pray earnestly that God would reveal himself to you through His word. & just to be transparent I have been where you all are but God reconciled me back to Him and I pray that He would do the same for all of you 💝💞

@LivingOnPurpose1

2 жыл бұрын

Amen!

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

@Legittuber

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly amen

Lol I did the opposite of these people. I disconnected myself from my “denomination” but I continue to go for other people. I feel like there needs to be representation of who a true Christian looks. Since I’ve disconnected it allows me freedom to fellowship everywhere without obligation. It’s weird but I find pockets of people who think like me online but not in person. I wish all church goers questioned why they do the routine of church.

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting perspective. I think denominations muddy’s the waters and makes the gathering of saints confusing because this group does that and this group doesn’t do that. What does the Bible say do which should be authoritative

At the end of the day, they experience religion and never really experienced Jesus Christ. They were not discipled and taught the heart of God as a Father, Holy Spirit the Teacher/Comforter, Jesus Christ the Son, who gave His life...the heart of God is not abusive, cruel, unloving but the exact opposite. And that their identity is not in the church or religion but rather we are one with God. The church and all the traditions of man failed them just like it failed the people in the Bible days. Truly eye-opening and relevant to the culture. Thank you Jude 3. I hope the Kingdom of God, responds appropriately and we come together and repair this breach.

This really highlights the epidemic of biblical illiteracy in America. These dear people are confusing institutions, traditions, denominations, and style for the church. Like someone else in the comments said we have lot of work to do to represent biblical Christianity to the world. Father may these dear people and others like them dive deep into your word and develop a relationship with you through your word. Please active spiritual fathers around them to disciple them, in Jesus’ name.

@whatshatnin4572

2 жыл бұрын

There is no real work for you to do... This is a belief system that mostly was spread to various African nations via slavery. Slavery is frowned upon now and young people rather know things than believe in things. Christians never know enough to have a decent honest conversation about history and these young folks are starting to see that. The best you can do is pray for em and keep the rest of the congregation in fear and in the dark

Hi Lisa i am so thankful to have discovered you. I have listened to a few of your videos and have been enlightened. I commend you for providing a safe place and a listening ear for those who share. I just recently came out of the organization called "church." I look forward to viewing and listening to more of your videos.

I can understand their reasons for leaving the church, but is it anyone who could have stayed and became the person they wanted to see? For church is simply the body of Christ and we all dependent on each other to keep the body strong.

@antoniocurryoldchannel9747

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

Thankful to be apart of a ministry that has really simplified things and have basically taken the religion out of it. No titles (other than Pastors). No dress code. If God puts it on your heart to serve in some capacity and that’s what you want to do, cool. You can do it with no hassle. Lot’s of community outreach because that’s a huge part of who Yeshua was and is. Serving the community. Church itself is around two hours. Part of it is worship, part of it is the word and part of it is fellowship afterwards then we go home. People aren’t guilted into multiple offerings or shamed if they aren’t tithers. It’s stated at the end of service if you feel compelled to give, you can drop money in the basket, give online or through a text number. The focus though, is on outreach, worship, the word and fellowship. Trying to see souls saved. It’s true Kingdom building. It’s LOVE!! It’s very much relationship over religion and it has been an amazing experience. I’ve never been to a church like it.

Jesus asked his disciples "who do men say I am" and then he asked them "who do you say I am". We immediately highlight Peter's revelation but we fail to acknowledge the struggle the others have. If those early disciples, who walked alongside Jesus in the flesh, struggled, why are we shocked that those of us today struggle? It was Jesus who told an impulsive Peter that "I have prayed that your faith fail you not" and that's the ultimate issue for us all - that our faith fail us not. Lest we forget,, those same disciples left the cricified Jesus in the midst of their own struggle and returned to what they "knew" before returning. Questions will always arise and our prayers should be that "that our faith fail us not". Rev. J

There are soooo many good churches in every community. I pray that all of these young folks visit, do research and get planted somewhere. Sounds like there's a little church hurt amongst the group, but more so sounds like they've gotten a hold of the world and don't want to let go.

This people have no clue what being a Christian? Host: are you still a Christian? Them: yes of course, I listen to gospel music, I go to Easter on Sunday etc. Me: huh? Seems like they are confusing being a Christian with going to church

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

LOL LOL LOL!! you right

@mrsbdubc2174

2 жыл бұрын

Facts!

A very interesting conversation and public comments too, thank you Jude Project. As an older Christian there are things that I see and experience as a "church member" that I can only put down to lack of biblical understanding and uniformed teachings that have allowed inappropriate behaviours to pervade within the church. However, I still know I that the church is filled with beautiful and bountiful "wheat" and right in and amongst the wheat are parasitic life threatening "tears" - this is what Jesus said would happen. The priority of the believer is to be planted in good soil "in The Word", to have our lamps trimmed "in The Word" and to remember that we are the salt of the earth and a light set on a hill, Our Creator God of the Bible cannot be "refined" He is unchanging and there is no failure in God. It's about finding your "grip" through the Holy Spirit and holding on to that in Jesus' name. Be blessed young people!

@curtiswilliams3272

2 жыл бұрын

Very well stated Denise. Thank you

10:19 the other two listening turned to each other and said, "that's true". Boy, listening to this is humbling. I'm honored to be to listen to their honesty

Great, Awesome discussion

Wow... we are so far from what God wants for us...

@agriff624

2 жыл бұрын

Say this again !

The host of this is so inspiring, I hope these videos are listened to and learned from!

Let’s all pray for each person in this video personally. I feel it’s my duty as a follower of Christ to pray a prayer of intercession for those who have a spirit of confusion. Let God speak to their heart and the Holy Spirit minister to them. I know personally I have had many days of “God are you there?”. With nothing. And I had to pray and fast and remember that God is always with us and will never forsake us but that the enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy. It’s a battle and Satan attacks our minds and any weakness we show in our spiritual walk with God that’s why we need faith to please God and allow him to move in our lives because we will be tested. God bless you all and remember God will never leave you nor forsake you, we all fall short of the glory of God. No servant is above the master, if Satan went after Jesus he will go after believers of Christ.

It's not about what makes you happy alone it's about eternal life in Christ.

Yooooo this is the season I’m in right now . Having a hard time “ functioning “ as a Christian with customs. When the customs I’m familiar and comfortable I don’t believe in at all . So where do I find community .

I’m just curious about these participants’ relationship with the authority of scripture. Is the scripture authoritative? Is God authoritative?

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

To say scripture is the authority is to say that man is the authority being that scripture was created and given to us by man. And how do you say god is the authority if we all got our gods from the literaure of men Men say that his written words are the words of a god and when we believe man then we make man the authority. Nature says that men come from women. But man said that god said that the first woman came from a man... I would say that nature should be the authority because man is not to be trusted when speaking on behalf of a god.

@curtiswilliams3272

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldschool5 I clearly see your position, which differs from a biblical worldview. Man is capable of producing what is contained in scriptures, which are divinely inspired (2 TIM. 3:16). I’m not sure if you believe in God or not, but anyone or anything considered to be a good other than the self-existent and Sovereign God who created this universe and made provisions for the salvation of humankind. Be blessed.

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

@@curtiswilliams3272 you say god created the universe. Which god.. man has written in his books that Krishna created the universe but I cant verify that. Man has said that Odin, Bible God and Nut created creation but I see no evidence of anyone of those gods creating anything. What evidence do we have of bible god creating creation. If you had a tribe or nation of people who have never seen a bible how would they know that bible God created the sun. They been using the sun for generation after generation but without them ever seeing a bible what about the sun would tell them that the sun was created by bible God. ..

@curtiswilliams3272

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldschool5 Listen, our world views are radically different and there's no real value in this debate. Concerning the tribes, not sure of which tribe you're referring, it's not about know about a Bible, but rather the existence of God. There are in the ballpark about 2 billion people who have not heard nor had the opportunity to accept or reject the gospel. Yet, scripture let's us know in Romans 2 that there are many who have not a written law, but they have law within, and by it, obey the Lord more than those who have written law. In terms of evidence, archeological digs have excavated the following, the land of Goshen, where the Jews live in Egyptian bondage, golpher wood found at the 14,000 feet level of Mt. Ararat, which is where the Bible says the Ark landed. Fossil evidence has found animal life in parts of the world places of which they are non-indigenous as a direct result of the flood. Chronicles of Babylon, Persia, and Rome validate the existence of the Jews who spent 70 years in Babylonian captivity, Persian records document the existence and record of one Hebrew by the name of Daniel, a Jewish captive and Josephus in many of his works validates the historicity of Jewish history from the Maccabees through to the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Blessings to you Sir, continue to make a difference.

God help us!

If you find yourself in their situation, I highly recommend you read, study and research the Bible for yourself. We see Bible prophecy being fulfilled everyday. The Bible proves itself to be true. I hope this helps someone . God Bless you all.

@MissMuttonmeat

2 жыл бұрын

Studying the bible through and learning church history has made many atheists.

@thadobster

2 жыл бұрын

@@MissMuttonmeat I disagree. The condition of this world, and the actions of the people that are in this world proves the Bible to be true. Skeptics often study to find fault, and they don't understand that the scriptures compliment each other.

Not to be rude but you could go to church all your life but if you don't take the initiative yourself also you won't know anything. That's like just sitting in a pew. Don't just depend on the pastor to feed you it's your responsibility also to be equipped. What happens if you miss service and don't receive the word, you have to feed yourself so you don't starve.

I understand their frustration but a lot of this steams from the lack of sound expository doctrine in the church today.

For me I'm no longer a Christian because one the word came from paganistic people trying to catagorize the early church. Now you can be a Christian and be a witch, be a Christian and still practice Buddhism. I'm a believer, I believe in the virgin birth of Jesus, the death of Jesus and the blood of Jesus and the resurrection of Jesus. Before coming to God I practiced witchcraft heavily until one day I realized even in that I'm not satisfied.I gave my heart over to Jesus and I'm so glad I don't have to recite meaningless incantations to get demons attention. All I have to do is call His name and He shows up ready to engage my petition.

Let's pray for them

I’m new to this series and I’m gonna give it a chance. However, I’m not sure what the end point is? I get we gotta listen but it seems like there are practical and sometimes even obvious responses that can be given. But I am gonna give this a chance and listen.

I love ❣️ it.

As a 37 year old I’m grateful for the church and I’m a product of the church and the church has not failed us… I’m grateful that my pastor taught me the ways of holiness as a child even when i didn’t want to hear it. I’m grateful that my pastor taught us not to lean to our OWN understanding but in All of our ways acknowledge the Lord and he will direct our path. The Lord isn’t leading us out of church and out of his will that’s us and that Adam and Eve sin nature mixed with Satan and his manipulative ways… And the devil is a liar there’s so many young people that’s coming to Christ and to church. John chapter 4 speaks even concerning this spirit that’s on these young people. They have a form of godliness… and the two dear sisters clearly said they don’t know what they are and what they believe. Jesus told the woman at the well the same thing “you know not what you worship” BUT those of us that do know our God it’s on us to be strong and do great exploits and instruct many. Daniel 11:32b33a it’s Go time praying for these souls in the name of Jesus

This is so sad to watch. I’m hurting for them. I didn’t grow up in church so I didn’t get the religious experience. I received Christ shortly before I turned 16 and the church I attended taught us the importance of having a personal relationship with God and knowing him through knowing His word, prayer, fasting. Investing my time to know God and not relying on someone else only which most of us are now conditioned to only go to church to hear his word only. You should also spend time alone in prayer and reading His word. It’s like when you date someone wouldn’t you rather you spend time with the person and get to know them for yourself better or would you rather someone else told you about them alone? I go to church because I love to be with other brethren and worship with them as well and hear the Word of God but, I also invest my personal time to know God for myself as well.

We are the church...as believers and followers of Christ

I relate to the gentlemen and the woman with the red locks A LOT.

“And let us consider one another in order to provoke love and good works, not neglecting to gather together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day approaching.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:24-25‬ ‭CSB‬‬ ““Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and don’t do the things I say?” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46‬ ‭CSB‬‬ A few verses I thought of watching this.

This breaks my heart. I haven't heard any of them reference Jesus in regards to their Faith. Which then begs the question, what were they being taught all this time (since they all grew up in church)??I really want to know what theology (if any) is being taught.

I need to be on this show

Do you do podcast interviews about the organization?

I can relate to all of them. I currently don’t attend church, but I want to. I think a lot of my trauma makes me afraid to be open and vulnerable to attending church. I need help in healing to see God’s church as a safe place in order to let people in.

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

You dont need people. Why you need people to help you get closer to god. You dont need no more middlemen and distractions to get closer to god. Fast and study ya bible.. Focus on you and what you reading in the bible.. Focus on what kind of thoughts you are having and remove the negative thoughts and ride out on the positive thoughts. Sleep and laugh. This aint about people.. This is about you and your god. Then when you get strong enough the right people will be available.

@ericaallen1799

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldschool5 you do need people. that's why we are all here. Life would suck if there were not opportunities to be able to love other people. I do read my bible and have my own relationship with God. But God wants us all to have healthy relationships with each other as well and I still believe the best place to do that is in the church.

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericaallen1799 Yeah we need people... I'm not talking about lovin on folks.. Im talking about dealing with god.. Yeah we are social beings so we need each other, But we dont need people to deal with god. Man always tries to insert himself as a middleman between man and his creator. Man wasn't there when your creator was creating you. You dont need man to get sunlight. And you cant live without it.. And man was not there when the sun was created. You have to go within to get god. Hard for god to talk to you when you digesting a cheeseburger. This is why fasting and a good diet is mandatory when seeking god. If you let people control how you feel inside, you will always suffer.. Your insides should control the things around you

@ericaallen1799

2 жыл бұрын

What you’re talking about has nothing to do with what I am talking about. I’m talking about healing in order to feel like I can be in church community.

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericaallen1799 I feel like i understand what you talking about.. You saying you want to heal so you can back in the church. You have been through too much with the church to feel comfortable in the church

Sometimes you have to do what's best for you. I commend them for a decision that they feel is best for their lives. To each its own.

@mrsbdubc2174

2 жыл бұрын

Do we really know what's best?

@Unphazedandunbothered

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrsbdubc2174 I do.

definitely hard for me to watch the first few episodes. i dont go to church but not because i dont want to. I dont think anybody sway you from God thats something you do on our own.

I hear them and some of what they’ve said I’ve even thought myself. HOWEVER, when we don’t assemble with other believers in the church, we’re not using our gifts as much as we could/should. It’s a selfish move to me. We’re leaving our brothers and sisters hanging if we decide to not go to church. I keep hearing I I I, what I get and don’t get, what I want, etc. It’s ok to have preferences but at the end of the day God says not to forsake the assembling of the Saints. We can absolutely fellowship in other community settings but it makes no sense that someone would purposefully avoid a meeting with likeminded people that are seeking the same God. Sometimes we do have to take a break to make sure we’re going for the right reasons. Praying that everyone gets a clear revelation of their place in the body.

@darweshiblackwell3298

2 жыл бұрын

True.rightful living too

How does this help if no one answers the questions?

I think ppl have yet to see how the church is supposed to operate so they leave.

Interesting

I know Mr. Berry! We served in Impact together!

I would luv to see a discussion between the black church & the Nation of Islam. Points we agree on & points we don’t agree on. How can we move forward in peace

None of the man made religions mean nothing- all that God asks is that we are Holy, this I had to read and learn for myself, and it was eventually brought to me to a preacher of the True Word of God, ......... I feel so, for all of these individuals. I really, really do. OMG in Heaven. Speak to them.

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

Christianity is not a man made religion?

@afropress

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldschool5 Baptist, Catholic, seventh day Adventist, Methodist, Presbyterian, all and many more are man made religions. Christianity isn't a religion it is a term to describe how one is to be like Christ. Smh

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

@@afropress No need to shake ya head at me. I just see that everyone can see how other religions are man made but no one can see that by definition their own religion is man made as well.. No god handed the Indian The Vadas - No god handed the Arab the Quran and no god handed the European no Bible re·li·gion the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods a particular system of faith and worship

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldschool5 many religions cannot be verified with geography or places etc. also many denominations or religions when you hear the origin stories you can see how they are made up.

It’s sad that those young people left the church. While I don’t blame them for wanting to walk away from there local church it is the Pastor and church leaders who did not teach them Doctrine and what it really means to be a Christian. We all have our issues with The Church and as a Pastor it is very important to share the information that I am getting taught at a Bible College and Seminary to the lay people so that they can become stronger in the word of God. I really do hope that this new generation of young people seek Bible Believing Churches that will teach the word of God.

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

Also people have to approach and read the scripture themselves. Can’t spoon feed your whole life.

@teshaboyd

2 жыл бұрын

@@calebcranke777 I agree with you. A lot of people who have been spoon fed by churches and Pastors don't truly have a relationship with Christ. A lot of them look to their Pastor or other church leaders for all the answers when that's not what we're supposed to do at all. Pastors lead their flock to Christ; but it's up to each individual to desire and cultivate a personal relationship with Him.

@calebcranke777

2 жыл бұрын

@@teshaboyd Amen.

The attitudes reflected in the condescending undertone of a lot of these comments is one of the primary reasons this generation of Black youth is leaving the church. What's contradictory is that a lot of critics are saying these young people "misunderstand" Christ, but can't realize that whatever misunderstanding the critics think these youngsters have about religion, Christianity, or the church's version of God are "confusions" that obviously weren't remedied or clarified by the churches that they once spent the majority of their waking hours in. Therefore, why would I fault them for no longer going someplace that was NOT equipping them with the understanding that you think they should have?

I think it interesting how they mention God and abuse in the same thought. Man is abusive sure, but has God abused us? Also many of these thoughts are said to be "new".. They're not. See 5 percenters, Pan-Africans, etc. Ages of these thoughts. If ones eyes are shifted from man to God by studying His word for yourself, and building a relationship with Him then many if these questions are easily answered, concerns quickly addressed.

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

Of course not - God has not abused us. We get god from man.. No one on that couch was introduced to god by god.. Everyone was introduced to god by man. Man speaks/writes for god. No god gave us a bible.. Man put the bible in our hand.. No god wrote the bible.. The bible is copywritten by man.. Its just some of us believe man when man tells us that his written words are the words of a god... But none of this has much to do with god.. These youngstas have a problem with the ones who speak and write for god. The people who have a problem with God deal with things that are created by god.. Taking seeds out of fruits is an indication of having a problem with god.. Spraying chemtrails to alter the influence of the sun is having a problem with god.. Altering things created by god is having a problem with god and questioning things created by man is having a problem with man

@elizabethdanner3681

2 жыл бұрын

That is good.

A Christian is a person who believe Jesus Christ died and rose from the dead

We need to go back to the basics, starting with what the church is for.

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

No.. we cant afford to do that

gret questns- im prayng...

Don’t blame the church the church is a building of believers that come together to hear the word pray spend time together..yes some pastor really do teach the word that you may grow .the church I attend this pastor teaches us like we in school I had to take a break lbs but what he doing is preparing us so we can know the word for ourselves but your real relationship starts with you and God every day all day .we have to draw to him spend time with him in reading his word praying knowing his voice allowing him to speak and tell you what’s the purpose and calling on you life .we are called to serve him and not just in the church go visit the sick ,the prison ,homeless,widows do the work .a lot of believers don’t do nothing but attend on Sunday and that’s it and we asking where is God in this evil world when God is saying where is his people in this evil world .

Well the question on the table do I need Christianity to serve God and worship him in spirit and in truth??? Who did God make a covenant with a religion or a people and who is that people???

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

Worship?!? Who said we even need worship.. No matter what god one serves we all know that no god that man has ever introduced to us does for mankind than what the sun does for mankind.. But there is nothing in nature that worships the sun.. In fact, the creator created creation without any concept of worship.. The ONLY time you see the desire for worship is with man and the gods that man creates.

It's so much bigger than the church thing that most try to throw out there... Many saying they don't go church also saying they read the bible only from time to time see that's the problem many are being lead astray ,because of a lack of communication with the Lord... if your relationship with the Lord not strong you want be neither... that means you want be wise or mature enough to know why you truly leaving the church... most are leaving the church off their emotions/feelings.... the church is not supposed to be your God/ comfort, only Jesus christ is... the church is for fellowship with other saints... what 1 church not doing that you agree with doesn't mean other's don't ...its so important to seek God first and let him place you in a church home that's for you instead of not going at all...see that's good as what the devil wants division and confusion don't be deceived🙏🏾

It's interesting how many young persons have left the church because of the people they have encounter as if the world outside of church is perfect. Mom taught us never to look at peope in the church, you are there to worship God. She also said not all in attendance were there for sincere worship. It reminds me of how the Bible said that the wheat and the tares are mixed, but will be separated. Matthew 13:30 I also remember the words in 2 Tim verses 1-3 4 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage-with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. There is hypocrisy in all humans, outside, or inside churches. To call people in the church hypocrites is so strange, when the person who is doing the calling is a hypocrite too. We are all imperfect. When a real friend calls us out for our imperfection outside of church we might be more incline to hear them out than when we are part of a church group. Strange how we respond to being called out. It's like when we get angry with our parents for correcting us, but then give a pass to a teacher, a friend, or even a complete stranger. My fellow humans...aren't we a strange paradox of contradictions? When I hear people on these forums give their reasons, I think we have to look deep under the surface, but these kinds of videos, and platforms don't allow us to. We have to know these individuals personally. How much of the Scriptures do they know? How do they relate to others, and on what levels for example.

@whatshatnin4572

2 жыл бұрын

People are also leaving because the bible is full of mythology.

Hard to watch this honestly. Will be interesting to see a real live conversation where some of their views are challenged because most of them sound ignorant of what it is to be a believer and a child of God.

The answer is we can consider ourselves whatever we want, the lord through is word determines whether we make the cut.

How do you expect perfection from human beings

My friends, please, you must study the Scriptures.

@whatshatnin4572

2 жыл бұрын

What does the name double back represent

If you want to get saved pray the following prayer audibly. “Dear Lord Jesus, Thank you for laying Your life on the cross for my sins. I ask you to forgive me. Come into my life. I receive You as my Lord and Savior. I confess with my mouth that You are Lord. And I believe in my heart that God raised You from the grave. Now, guide me to live for You the rest of my life. In the Name of Jesus Christ, I pray. Amen.”

If you left the church because of hardships, hypocrites or reimaginations of how you think God should be and should behave, which is different from what is currently being taught......you left for the wrong reasons. And you are now in no better shape than before you left.....you just have more free time. The only Good reason to leave church is to Find God.

I do agree that with the way the world is now, all these denominations and different doctrinal beliefs and practices can surely discourage people from church and seeking God but as brother paul constantly reminds us that the crux of christianity is the cross of Jesus christ and the meaning of that for us today, if we but turn repent of our sins and place our faith in him. Sometimes church traditions can be overwhelming, I suggest that you try to find a small group or a community group where you study the bible and have conversations with fellow believers. Iron sharpened iron. As humans we really are truly easily influenced and you have to decide the influence you want over your life

I think the show challenges with bad church teaching and what can happen in unhealthy environments. However, even though they say they are searching, I would like to know how are they searching. They also struggled to articulate there position now, which makes me think this is not something they think about often.

😢

@TytusJones

2 жыл бұрын

💔💔💔

What does church have to do with being a Christian?

So at minute 4:31 Daniel mentioned "7 mountains of God", umm book/letter and verse that supports this is where in the bible?? At minute 2:17 Latisha facial expression was funny. I've been on those lines too in the past, but I know much better now. Spiritual knowledge, growth and maturity. At minute 7:38 Trayonna mentioned a thirst that she has for having a relationship with God; good, stay thirsty my friend. Matthew 5v6 “Blessed [joyful, nourished by God’s goodness] are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness [those who actively seek right standing with God], for they will be [completely] satisfied. Also at 7:59 Trayonna mentioned that she's "still trying to figure that part out". I pray that God will answer you and open your understanding of himself. At minute 8:35 - 8:44 Jazmine admitted that she "don't have the knowledge to argue with somebody about it [Christianity] and so part of the reason for this is because she admitted in minute 8:13 that she doesn't open her bible. Jazmine, open up your bible and start over! Just you and the Lord. 1 to 1.

@christopherbarr3385

2 жыл бұрын

Open her bible Yes. But to be alone and do it without any guidance from outside sources that aren’t the Holy Spirit is a pretty bad idea. Bc she doesn’t even know if she is a follower of Christ. So she would be like the scholar that studies the New Testament but is still an atheist and so read with a blinder on.

@LivingOnPurpose1

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherbarr3385 In time she'll need some help but as for right now because she wants to prove God for herself and tomorrow's not promised, I'll trust the Holy Spirit to meet her where the rubber meets the road. He's taught many people who didn't know who to turn to for help. He's the Author of the scriptures so I'd put my trust in Him to come through and or put the right persons in her life to help her.

@christopherbarr3385

2 жыл бұрын

@@LivingOnPurpose1 I trust him too. But that would be based on her heart towards Jesus. She as far as I can see has misunderstood what a Christian is and doesn’t seem open to the truth. Her whole attitude was I don’t know nothing and I don’t read the Bible. From the heart the mouth speaks her reading without guidance or at least someone to confide in would be at least seemingly like a waste bc of that mind set. Pursue God and reveal himself. That pursuit would have to start in her “mind” or heart even before read. But also understand we have to start some where and reading the Bible even without much comprehension is still better than not reading at all. Does that make sense? If I’m bugging lmk.

@LivingOnPurpose1

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherbarr3385 Nah, you're not bugging, you're points are well valid, I feel you. Well brother, let's both pray for God's will to be done in her life. He alone knows our heart's more than anyone else.

@christopherbarr3385

2 жыл бұрын

@@LivingOnPurpose1 Word, His will be done on earth as it is in heaven

Wow! The last two responses by those young ladies were heart wrenching.😢 They don’t know? Wow! Parents and pastors have failed their children when it comes to the faith.

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

Idk about that. I think parents of old might have failed their kids. Making it a goal to believe is weak. We should be aiming to know. We raise too many believers who have a ton of faith and believe alot but dont have any knowledge therefore thet dont know too much... You cant believe and know at the same time and we praise believers... but dont raise knowers.. we are forced to believe that the shot will help us but we dont have any scientist in our community who knows if maxine I'd dangerous or not These youngsters ain't worried about believing like the old heads.. they more concerned with knowing. And you got to respect that

@Jquarles1973

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldschool5 I could say so much in response but it would take a video. All I know is by the grace of God we didn’t raise our children to be churchy. Or else they would be on this panel. We continue to disciple them to know Jesus. That’s where parents have failed.

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jquarles1973 Jesus ain't really a knowing concept. Jesus is a faith based concept. Christians are not called to know. they are required to believe.. I think we spend so much time tryin to believe in jesus we dont know nothing about the old testament or the history of how this religion was introduced to us Black Folk in America. We dont know about the authorship of the books of the bible. There is so much that we dont know but that's not a problem when the whole concept Is based on beleif. Christianity is a beleif system... not a knowing system

@Jquarles1973

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldschool5 Bruh.. you must be a Hebrew Israelite. I’m done! ✌🏾

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jquarles1973 naw Bruh. I'm far from a Hebrew. You must be an unusual Chrisitan because most Christians offer prayer THEN run when they come across some facts they cant deal with. Christians running from a respectful fact based conversation that challenges their beliefs is the reason why some of those youngsters are on that couch. Yall really need to stop running from uncomfortable discussions and topics. Tellin folks to believe in jesus and take a nap ain't cutting it no more Bruh. Peace and Love

What came to mind while watching this was, the traditions of men have made the Word of God of none effect. Sounds like what they've experienced is man's traditions, which are religious and can be abusive. That's why Jesus told those that had been under such burdens to, "Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light.' My prayer is that those that run from the abuse of religion are running to Jesus so that healing, deliverance, and whatever else is needed for the spiritual growth necessary to be able to stand and endure the disappointments we will find in mankind, regardless of the status, can be had.

This group has been hurt by the people in the church. And that is so tragic!

I see all your guests mentioned God and not Jesus which separates Christianity from the other two monotheistic religions. If you don’t understand that then it would be easy to follow other religions that God doesn’t want.

Pride is a big issue here. Thinking you are standing and falling

Remember we has brothers and sisters in the lord that don't go to our local church.fellowshio is not limited to local church

Question .what is the purpose of this show? Deconstruction is what it is called. In the last days there will be a falling away proof The Bible is being fulfilled. I pray that they each come to know JESUS in a personal way.

Do they still read the word of God, do they still pray, do they still do the works. This brother speaks of ordination and marrying people. One has nothing to do with the other. Marrying people is on the authority of the government. That is not what the Lord has called us to do. God ordains his ministers and equips them for their calling. Not he that commends himself is approved of God but whom God commends. Someone said that it is one thing for the boat to be in the water but another thing for the water to be in the boat. That being said, one can readily see why Christians have left their congregations. May their steps be ordered by the Lord. Grace Peace.

Jesus wants us to be saved, but he never stated from what I read, now in addition to that, be Pentecostal, be Baptist, be Apostolic…🤷🏽‍♀️ I’m not focus on that honestly. I just want to follow the gospel to the best of my ability and to continue to seek God. I am saved and studying the gospel more.

@teshaboyd

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with this wholeheartedtly. Denominations can be very divisive within the body of Christ. I don't focus on them anymore and I don't teach my kids according to ANY denomination, just God's word and Holy Spirit's guidance. I pray for us all.

@tonicrawford375

2 жыл бұрын

@@teshaboyd Amen 🙌🏽

@tonicrawford375

2 жыл бұрын

@Gwendolyn Robinson Sure. Thxs

There is ONE way for these young people and all of us. Read God's Word and believe every Word and DO every Word. The root of this is that there are some things that The Most High says in his Word that they do not want to obey. The question should be "What part of the Bible do you not want to believe?"

I appreciate the loving behavior they exhibit, but for the people who say they're still Christian, I heard nothing about putting their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. An intellectual belief in God and following the rules doesn't provide salvation. In fact, Jesus scolded the religious people the most. The people who thought they were keeping all the commandments but didn't realize they were just as much in need of a savior. I think the term Christian which means follower of Christ has been simplified to someone who just does nice things and has positive emotions toward people.

Do you believe that you are a sinner? Do you believe that Jesus came to earth and died for your salvation? Do you believe that there is a hell that being a ‘good person’ or your most ‘authentic self’ will not keep you out of? It’s not much more complicated than that to be a Christian. Going to church can be a LOT more complicated, but it breaks down to earnestly seeking fellowship. There is no perfect church because there are no perfect people. Church hurt is real, but don’t be putting THE CHURCH in air quotes, excuse me, but no. The gates of hell will not prevail against it…better recognize.

@whatshatnin4572

2 жыл бұрын

It seems simple but many young folks these days are not aiming to be believers.. They are aiming to be knowers. There are no facts to support hell's existence. And these young people know that.. Older generations did not need facts to accept things. But that has changed with younger generations. Outside of the bible, there is no proof of hell. Hell is something one must accept on belief and we are in a time where folks would rather accept things on facts over belief

@LivingOnPurpose1

2 жыл бұрын

@@whatshatnin4572 I agree with everything you stated, everything. People today want to be knowers and not doers. " But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves."~ James 1v22

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

I will be a sinner as soon as I see a talkin snake. Until then I'm good

If only churches today have these conversations with their youth. Back in the day, churches were taught to obey what the PASTOR SAID. Read the Bible for yourself don't rely SOLEY on your pastor. Pastors don't put you in heaven. They are just guides.

We need to get away from "religious labels." Stop labeling ourselves based on denominations. Just say, "I am a saved believer of Jesus Christ." Those denominations, titles and organizations are not important in heaven/kingdom. Even though I left COGIC and go to a Baptist church doesn't mean I'm Baptist. I go to that church "hospital" because it was more equipped to handle my issues; ministries that me and my children are involved; teachings that deal with the word of God applied in everyday life. You're not giving praise to a bishop and a bunch of anniversaries days, or man-made rules and regulations. I am more spiritual and not routinely religious.

What’s so interesting about God is He closed the churches last year and we had to see that the church is us, not that building! We gotta do the footwork, Jesus and His Boys did and most of the people in the Bible! We r the Church, and must tell people about Gods Love!

The young lady with the red locks (all of them really) needs a lot of prayer. She has stressed numerous times she has questions, but has also admitted to not reading the 1 thing that holds the answers. 😓 Also, if the young man understood RELATIONSHIP with Jesus he absolutely would be comfortable with being identified as a Christian. There is only 1 true way to be a Christian and if he understood that he would realize that would be a great moment for him to testify and witness to another person who had a misconception of who the Savior truly is.

@TSman1024

2 жыл бұрын

As a black ex-Christian, reading the Bible honestly just drove me further away from Christianity. The more you study the religion, the more ridiculous things you find

@nowfaithis9799

2 жыл бұрын

@@TSman1024 I've deep dived and studied and found nothing ridiculous. Most things that begin ridicous to folks have explanations if they know where to look. But what did you find that you just couldn't get with?

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

@@TSman1024 now you telling my story

@oldschool5

2 жыл бұрын

@@nowfaithis9799 we can start with talkin snakes. We all know snakes dont talk. 500 year old man building a boat. We all know there were no 500 year old humans walkin around the year 2300 bce.. Noah is one of the newer flood myths. Before noah we had Zeus kill mankind with a flood. And way before Zeus we the gods of Gilgamesh cause a world wide flood. But noah is the only flood story that has an African baby being born into slavery. Why is is that the slave master gave us the flood myth that has an African baby being born into slavery. Why the Zeus flood myth don't have black babies being born into slavery

@TSman1024

2 жыл бұрын

@@nowfaithis9799 first off, the entire concept of Christianity…. If I gave you a “gift” I.e. christ’s death, and then give you the ultimatum, either accept my gift & Praise me forever for giving it to you, or suffer for all eternity…. Is that something that makes sense? It wouldn’t be acceptable in any other context. But we are supposed to let it fly because it’s an invisible sky man that does it. Makes no sense.

For me. I question if I am a Christian by strict definition. Along the same lines one of them. I question how a black Christian and white evangelical can both claim the same faith and reach vastly different social conclusions. It lead me to exploring the Baha'i faith and seeing that maybe Christians just haven't seen a new revelation designed to answer this problem. Christian faith has in no way inspired the majority of white America to see black people as fellow believers and those whom they should defend. Maybe it's because it is time to move on to something like the Baha'i faith. I don't know yet. But I am exploring it.