IMPORTANT! We have updated info from the specialists at Two Stroke Performance in this vid kzread.info/dash/bejne/gn170raihqW8Xc4.html Seizing and premature wear from lack of oil are mainly 2020 and 2021 models as the mapping uses much less oil. The fix? Use KTM's updated 'extreme' map which goes back to something similar on earlier models... or ideally get a custom remap from a specialist. Oil pump failures in the 2018 and 2019 were often caused by grit getting into the oil tank. The 2020+ models have a screen fitted which should fix this. It's a good idea to regularly check the functioning of the oil pump just to ensure you don't have problems. For full details see this vid: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gn170raihqW8Xc4.html ------------------------------------------ TIPS FROM VIEWERS: Some riders claim they have had 'cold seizes' and say it's very important to follow correct warm up procedure. Never let the oil get too low, you might suck in air on steep climbs, descents, or with the bike on its side. Riders have reported seizes in very cold weather, use the cold start injector, and updated maps! Some use snowmobile oil just in case. Dealers don't like warranty claims as KTM won't reimburse them fully. Do you like your dealer? Offer to strip the bike down and do some of the reassembly. --------------------------------------------- FURTHER COMMENTS: The ride footage features a fleet of 2019 TPI models used for Romanian enduro tours. They immediately remapped the bikes to use more oil and run better across the rev range. Their only seizure to date has been from dirt that fell into the oil tank when topping up the oil. ----------------------------------------------- THE ULTIMATE FIX? According to Gary K's comment, here is the best solution lol "Unaccustomed as I am to posting comments on a gumby site I feel it only right that I impart (again) my feedback into this issue of TPI's seizing. As an engineer, part time aromatherapist and freelance astronaut (semi retired) I'm known in the local area as the Mr. Fixer and so a troubled soul brought me his tpi that had seized solid. Now, you may mock my interest in aromatherapy but I put a few trusty essential oils into a bowl with 2 drops of my secret ingredient, added 5 parts water and placed it under the sump for the night. Sure as eggs are eggs, I could now crank the engine over but it wouldn't fire up. So in with a few drops of the magic elixir into the tank, bounced the forks (naturally the shite x-plorer forks bottomed out) and hit the magic button. Fired up first time. If your repeat this secret trick you'll get another 400 hours from the piston - easy. Just make sure you use synthetic rampant bull jelly cream , its half the price of the good stuff but for a shitty KTM, it will do. If your running a 4 stroke, use rampant bull jelly cream with Aloe Vera. No need to thank me, its all part of the service."

@videosbruno

3 жыл бұрын

It boggles my mind that we pay so much and have to do mods right out the door

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

With a bit of luck dealers might agree to remap the bike as part of their pre-delivery.

@maucina12

3 жыл бұрын

@@videosbruno only problematic models are early 2018 models bought in late 2017. New map was needed

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure about that, there's a small but significant number of 2020 and 2021 models seizing. And that last KTM technical bulletin appears to be their response...

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

This is an interesting vid, these guys are TPI specialists and they said the new mapping in 2020 and 2021 models actually uses 15 to 40% less oil depending on throttle and RPM. This could a long way to explaining why 2020 and 2021 models are seizing more often. facebook.com/283308918403083/videos/87458567663607

I have a 2020 TPI coming up on 2 yrs old, have at least a dozen friends with TPI bikes ktm/husky/gasgas. No problems, in fact, most reliable bike I've owned. I ride 120 days per year, I'm on the third top end.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

It's definitely a low rate overall. But it's interesting to see clusters occurring. E.g. Jordan Schreiner below reports all four TPI models in their riding area failed. And I know of one KTM dealer who says at least 10% of TPI bikes sold are coming back under warranty. But others have seen no issues.

Replacing the oil pump at 80 hours? Good lord my Kawasaki's 2-stroke oil injection pump is from 1974 and it still worked great until I stripped some threads out of it last weekend.

@freddychristensen6706

3 жыл бұрын

On my MTX125R from 1985. Abused for 75000 km and never ever had any probs with almost anything. Never even thought about the pump. Electrics as well. Never seized. Hope Honda will launch a 2 stroke again. Probably not. :|

@manlymantis101

3 жыл бұрын

With the amount of regulations nowadays companies are pushing ice technology to the limit in order to increase performance while decreasing emissions at the same time. It’s making everything less reliable than they used to be 10-15 years ago.

@nickg2431

3 жыл бұрын

Yes pal stay away from these until someone else has ironed out and paid for all the faults and problems....

@JETZcorp

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickg2431 My guess honestly is that the oil pump replacement thing is more a case of legal CYA than actual need. They probably had them set stupid-lean for Euro emissions, plus the classic inevitable oil injection bugaboos like loose fittings and people forgetting to top up the oil tank. Once an "issue" is identified, companies tend to go full overkill. On my truck, some people had issues with towing stability due to the factory 2" lower suspension, so they issued a recall lowering the tow rating down to just 30% of what they originally said. Not because 2000lbs is the correct limit, but because legal wanted to make sure that even the most colossal idiot couldn't mess it up. I bet most of these KTM oil pumps would still be perfect at 1000 hours

@whalesong999

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I wonder what's going on there too. I campaigned Suzuki TS250s from '71 through '79 and oil pumps were dead reliable. I was also a mechanic and service manager at a New York Kawasaki/Suzuki dealership and we never had oil pump issues of any kind. IIRC, they were made by Mikuni. I earned a silver medal at the '71 Berkshire trials in Massachusetts on a new TS250. just one point out of gold - doggone underslung brake pedal damage.

128 Hours, 1848 miles, original oil pump, piston and rings on my 2020 KTM 300 xcw tpi with no issues. Runs sooooo good. Thanks for your videos.

@crosstrainingenduro

2 жыл бұрын

Most modern two stroke 300s seem to be okay with top end rebuilds at 150 to 200 hours if they aren't being thrashed. 👍😊

I've been a happy owner of a husqvarna te 300 i for six months. I changed the top head at 230h with signs of wear on the 71.86mm intake part. The oil pump is still original with 250 hours. A week ago I mounted the olhins cartridges in the wp are wonderful ... I think I will have a motorcycle for many years

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear it's been trouble-free, David!

Hi Berry I have now had 7 x TPI bikes and not 1 seizure. I have ridden over 1000 hours . I have a 22 model due here in a few weeks. I have needed to adjust the idle screw (out 2 turns) and the 2020 needed a Iridium plug fitted. All have needed the PV out 1 turn to prevent midrange stutter. Other than that never had a problem running up over 175 hours on each one

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds about right. Whatever the failure rate is it's definitely low... so say hypothetically it's 5% you would need to own 20 bikes before it's statistically likely you'll have one seize. Did you bother with replacing oil pumps at 80 hours? Quite a few guys don't even know about this and have run up well over 100 hours without issues. But of course a small number have failed early.

@ReeceTasker

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro No never replaced a oil pump. Unless they got clogged there would be no reson to replace. #8 arriving next week so 12 more to go until a seizure.....more likely my bank account seizing though

@JETZcorp

3 жыл бұрын

Man, I wish I could ride 1000 hours in this many years. I'm at 0.0hrs so far in 2021 just due to work.

I have a 2020 husqvarna tx300i, with 146 hours! Flawless! Haven't changed a thing yet (except air and fuel filters). Mostly technical riding, woods ST and Desert ST (5MOH), with a little high speed. My favorite, and IMO best bike ever!

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Good to hear, Brian! I figure you've replaced your oil pump?

@4D_Chess

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro No, on the oil pump, I've started to consider it, maybe keep one in my pack? As far as I know, the oil pump is the same as the 2T mopeds, and I promise no one changes them at 80 hours. I bet it's a CYA kind of thing. Just like top ends. My plan is 200 hours, new top end and pump.

@appymarley

3 жыл бұрын

A mate has just changed the piston in his 300 ....250hrs 6k miles had no problems piston looked ok...still on original oil pump...bike has been excellent no problems

Premix for the win . If it’s running it’s lubed....

@michail1963

3 жыл бұрын

Wont help in TPI - unless you move the injectors.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Jeff Slavens has done a vid about TPI myths and explains why he thinks adding premix will have little to no effect.

@twowheelpilot

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro hi there, I wasn't meaning for the Tpi bikes. "Premix for the win" was meant as the carb wins. As in I'll keep my Lectron carb'd 2017 KTM 300. Still has a kick start too. Thank the Lord 🙏

@buddylikeguitar

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking of adding amsoil 1:100 universal ratio i know alot of guys who used to run it at 1:100 and never had issue i was thinking of running it as a safe guard

@MrTysonjharris

2 жыл бұрын

I hate videos like this. From a scientific perspective there are too many variables in the real world to attribute these issues to TPI and the reported failure rates are what they’d call statistically insignificant. Also I don’t think you understand exactly what the issue is that bulletin is addressing. When you open up that bike and make it breath more you’re leaning out the map. You need that aftermarket map to adjust to those mods that’s what that map is for. You don’t think KTM bench tested these engines and control for real world conditions? At the end of the day I have 81.5 hours on my 2020. Other than a spark arrestor and no thermostat the engine, intake and exhaust is stock and there have been ZERO issues here. I regularly change my air filter. Keep my oil fill tube clean and run ethanol free 91 octane.

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Noice to see the Romanian landscape and trails. You're always welcome here 😁

@crosstrainingenduro

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! 😃

Keihin PWK Is so good and easy

I’ve had a lot of different motorcycles and will take FI over a carb any day, two stroke or four. Sure, it’s complicated, but so are carbs, and the way the latter works you are guaranteed to have to mess with it at some point if you want a proper running bike. If one is a carb expert, that’s great, but in my experience many people arguing for the serviceability of a carburetor on the trail have no idea how to actually fix or tune one, and are just repeating old timer internet “wisdom”.

@marktarascio3321

3 жыл бұрын

I remember when KTM used Moto plaits and I was pissed because I was stranded in the middle of nowhere I now know that with five sensors on a motorcycle it's going to be almost impossible to keep it running and stranding you somewhere again. Even the fact from going to water cooled from air-cooled bikes caused a lot of problems with overheating in the woods and still does

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

The very simple oil injection system on my Beta is about as complex as I want to go, Mark. And even then I'm tempted remove it and go back to premix.

@nickg2431

3 жыл бұрын

@@marktarascio3321 I totally get and agree with what you’re saying Mark in terms of simplicity and “get you home“ measures. I have to say though that my husky 450 fuel injection which isn’t even a new bike at 2008 is head and shoulders above the old stuff in terms of rideability performance and fuel delivery. Very little experience with the two-stroke injections I will trust others words on that

@shinyribs2178

3 жыл бұрын

I've got carb'd and fuel injected bikes. I've never had either fail on me. I haven't found a fuelie that has as smooth a throttle as a carb yet, so I still prefer carbs for tight hard woods riding. Otherwise, yeah, "old timer wisdom". Kinda like how cable clutches are more reliable. Sure, let's go back to cable brakes while we're at it 😁

Great video, My 2020 300 seized at 22 hours straight after I picked it up from the dealer when they were tying to fix the common cold idle issue, It was covered under warranty. Faulty crankcase pressure sensor will also cause cold start idling issues, GOOD ADVISE, read the owner manual !! it tells you to follow a cold start procedure for the first couple of minutes, TSP told me if you dont your more likely to foul the plug. Cheers guys

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Great to see they covered it under warranty without any arguments, Phil. 👍 Did they say what the likely cause was?

@philipsmith6152

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro They said it was a failed oil pump ? I think they forgot to prime it, I only got 300 mtrs down the road when it seized ?? who knows ? Fair to say KTM were GREAT, the dealer told me at if it was any other brand it would not have been covered at 22 hours !

Man, thanks. I have 21 Husq TX300 that just arrived to 110 hrs and I have a piston kit for. Your video awoke me to get an oil pump also. I bought the warrantee being nervous about TPI. That said, I need to keep up with recommended maintenance. Great bike no problems except wife complaining of my seat time.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

As per the vid, quite a few riders just ignore the oil pump and they can last a long time. But sometimes they don't! Thankfully there is a warning light on the dash apparently. If your shop is doing the work it might pay to ask them to reflash your ECU to the same mapping as the earlier models which uses more oil?

@1trackmindsantos

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro Thank you, I planned to do the work myself. I like the re-flash idea.

I personally know of three intake seizures last winter here in Washington state. My 2020 at a 190 hours, a friend's 2019 at 110 hours, and another friend's 2020. My crankcase pressure sensor was bad and I also plan to try snowmobile oil this winter. The shop we went to mentioned there was a trend of failures in the Midwest where temps are colder than here.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Do you think the crankcase pressure sensor actually caused the seizing, Bob? I was under the impression it would normally make the bike run too rich and could just stutter and foul plugs?

@huskybob4277

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro I'm not sure if the bad sensor was the cause and the dealer didn't know either. Yes, a bad sensor will cause running issues and will foul plugs. I was getting poor fuel economy with the bad sensor so one theory is the excess fuel was washing the oil off the piston. The clutch side seal was bad as well. We'll see how it does this season, so far it's been running well!

My 2018 was perfect no problem at all. My 2021 got problem with the CCPs after 16h. Was unridable at part time throttle. It now got the idle mod screw and a new CCP and works awesome. The idle mod screw makes the bike run a little more rich as you can turn the regular idle screw almost to the bottom instead of standard (2-2.5 turns, out).

Good video and you bring up some valid points. While I’m no expert in this arena, I would be interested to see which area most of those failures take place in. When I look at most videos done in Europe, I see almost no smoke when the guys are riding, which leads me to believe the bikes in Europe run very lean for emission purposes. In South Africa, all the bikes in my riding group and my observation on other tpi’s is that they all smoke, some to the point where “spoog“ runs out of the exhaust. It might be that our bike runs richer, also note that if the guys don’t do the idling screw mod and just turn the air screw this will also run the bike lean. All the guys in my group complain of the bikes not idling properly so everyone has done the idling screw mod. One last thing, with the angles that we ride in hard enduro whether we are going up or down a climb, it is important to always make sure the oil reservoir is full and that the bike never gets to a point where oil is not available for the pump. Geez that was long….but so far, touch wood, no issues on my 250 and 300 tpi yet….

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Good points, Gordon. I appreciate the detail and I'll be adding stuff like this to the pinned first comment.

@lukefish7562

2 жыл бұрын

I’m getting a 2022 te300i today and am nervous as hell now. My Honda dual sports are not sensitive. You think I’ll need the idle screw mod? Thanks for any help?

USA, 2018 250i, replaced the piston at 80 hours and it looked good. Over 100 hours now and still running strong, added the TSP kit (head and reflash) a couple months ago and very happy! Now I'm more worried about dialing the suspension, wish I had gone with an XC instead of the XCW, but I'm getting there. Bottom line - I'm happy with my TPI.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Good to hear, I spoke with one TPI tuner who said it's strange that there's so much variation... a few bikes seizing early but then others going as high as 200 hours before doing a top end and it all looks fine even with the stock mapping. It's good you went the reflash though.

beta 2 strokes and ktm tpi are using the same mikuni oil pump. Never heard that oil pump should be changed at 80 hours on beta

@Cross-Country-Biker

3 жыл бұрын

Beta pumps have failed here. Thankfully mine 2016 300rr is still 100%

@DiDoSvK

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's bs, you don't need to replace the pump if you use proper oil and you're careful to not drop a dirt inside.

This explains the amount of new Yamahas im seeing on the trails. I think part of it anyways.

@maucina12

3 жыл бұрын

What yamahas? This if about 2 stroke enduro bikes, yamaha doesnt even have one

@rafy600

3 жыл бұрын

It's about FI in T2. Yamaha has the YZ used by many around the world for cross country and enduro. Also Betas and Sherco making a move with their carb enduro bikes. Better bikes I made add 👍

@BrianK-pd4bu

3 жыл бұрын

Yz250x 2 stoke Yamaha enduro bike

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Where is that, TC? I'm interested because we used to see the blue bikes everywhere 20 years ago but haven't seen one in our riding areas in recent years. The two stroke would have been popular if you could register it and it had electric start....

@maucina12

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrianK-pd4bu not available in europe. And comparing yz250x with 5 gears, cable clutch, no counterbalancer, no estart to modern ktm doesnt make sense. You probably never tried ktm tpi, it is really good

We have had very good luck with our tpi bikes we sold. No failures, some small operator errors when servicing their machines, air filters, wrong oil use, and overheating/ crash damage failures.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Good to hear, Rudy. It almost seems to happen in clusters around he. One dealer said he's had 20% of two strokes back for warranty claims, other say only one or two. Are you getting guys with 2020 and 2021 models asking to go back to the previous mapping?

good advice . my son has a 2020 300 . and has had idle problems now sorted by the dealer , ill stick with my 2011 250exc . for the moment .

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

I knew the 2018 and 2019 models often had problems with idling, I'm surprised to hear it still occurs in the later models, Steve.

To combat all the rumors about the not enough oil being fed in I went with the TSP remap and billet head. Small price to pay for some piece of mind. (2021 TX300i)

@chrispederson4157

3 жыл бұрын

Me also but did it at 80 hours on my 20 250xc-w and piston and cylinder looked great on stock setup. But TSP high compression head ecu refresh just works so good it worth it.

@dnrg62

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrispederson4157 ,yes TSP are very good to deal with ,love their aftermarket heads d

I have a 2021 exc 300. At 6.5 h the engine started working bad. My mechanic opened the engine only to see the piston and cylinder were like in your photos. It was minutes away from total seizing. KTM referred me to the new dealer in my area ( the old wan lost its license a month after I bought my bike) and they said since it had the race map and 30 days passed after the purchase I was not eligible for a warranty coverage. The cost was almost 900 EUR (at my mechanic, not the dealer, that would have been much more) for the new cylinder + piston kit and a 3 month waiting to get the parts, since you cannot find it anywhere in stock in the whole of Europe, and believe me I tried to get one at all costs.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

That sucks. Is this in the UK or the US? I'm getting quite a few stories about warranty claims being rejected in the UK, but generally the US is good with support.

@prowler13prowler

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro Europe

I own a 2020 300 exc i purchased new, it's got 100 hrs on it now, I replaced the top end at 88 hrs and it's been awesome. I've added a TSP ecu & head package also. Best bike I've owned.

@YilgarnRallye

3 жыл бұрын

how much change did the TSP ecu & head package make ? what compression head insert did u get ? I'm not looking for more power just smoother throttle response so thinking about the TSP gear upgrade

@clintanthony1779

3 жыл бұрын

@@YilgarnRallye it made a considerable difference mate, mine was unresponsive and sluggish from new. The TSP totally changed it, it's now responsive & has smooth power delivery. I went with the medium comp. Highly recommend it.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

A remap certainly can help, Garry. I rode various 2019 TPI bikes in Romania and they had them all remapped by their local guru. Great linear power delivery, it felt just like all the Betas I have ridden in that respect.

@YilgarnRallye

3 жыл бұрын

@@clintanthony1779 my 2020 300 TPI is not bad, quite a bit better than the 2019 one I had, but could still do with smoothing out the mid throttle in particular....thinking the TSP Low compression head insert and reflash may be worth a go

@YilgarnRallye

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro stock my 2020 is a lot better than my 2019 TPI bike, but could still do with more refinement in throttle response

I just did a top end on my 2020 KTM 300 XC TPI at 150 hours and it looked almost new, could have gone much longer. I did replace the CCPS and that cleaned up a little sputter at low revs.

If you really want to go the extra mile, remove the air filter and do the oil pump purge with the dongle and look down the airbox into the throttle body. You will be able to see and hear the oil pump work before going out for a ride.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Handy tip, Chris!

I just picked up my xc 250 tpi last weekend. I know the guys in my local ktm dealership quite well. I asked the question about the tpi failures they have had come in and the most were for pressure sensors failing but one major seizure. Was told the new map was is ktm’s answer for the seizure issues

@ryanpackbiers454

3 жыл бұрын

When did they send this map out? I recently bought a 2021, will it have the map or should I be asking the dealer. Tia

@rtimetoride7645

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 21 and it had the number two map in it. You have to take it to the dealer and as soon as they plug it in it will update and you cannot go back

If you take it to a ktm dealership they can put a updated map in it that give the bike more oil down low. its called the extreme map. no extra power just more lubrication

2:10 5% is a massive failure rate in a new mass produced product!

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

We don't know if it's 5% but we figure it is a low but significant rate. One dealer reported 20% of his bikes are coming back seized, but others say only one or two. Some rider groups say none of their bikes have issues... one guy told me 4 out of 10 TPI bikes in their group seized. It's hard to know what the real failure rate is.

@carlatamanczyk3891

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro Remember that KTM only gives a 30 day warranty.. That itself shows lack of manufacture confidence in their own product. And the motocross version is still carbed......

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

It can vary from country to country. In north America it's 30 days for any bike designed for competition use. Road bikes and bigger adv bikes two years. Some mid sized road and adv bikes are one year... I agree 30 days in pathetic if the bike isn't being ridden competitively.

@carlatamanczyk3891

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro in our group of a dozen riders, 2 of them got rid of their TPI KTMs because of problems and purchased a carbed Beta 300 and Sherco 300. All of us others still ride carbed 2 strokes. TPI was not brought into the market to make riders happy... it was brought into the market to satisfy asinine European environmental regulations.

@carlatamanczyk3891

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it is....

Meanwhile in Catalunya..my 2018 gas gas 300 that looks absolutely battered has just turned 400 hours..had 1 piston and small end and 2'clutch covers...for me this has been a fantastic bike...

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

The original and best Gas Gas, Marc! Great to hear. You will see Coxy in our vids occasionally on his old EC300, it's been very reliable except for the occasional problems with the dodgy e-start design.

Thanks for the info. Have a 2019 250 TPI with 50 hours on it so I’ll keep an eye on it. If I have any issues I’ll let you know.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure you'll be fine, we don't know what the rate of failure is but it's quite low. Replacing the oil pump at the recommended 80 hours is probably a good idea for peace of mind. Just priced them in Australia, AUD $300. Ouch.

@MrKaxid

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro yeah, I totally agree. I know of bikes going well over 100hrs, but a $300 fix at 80hrs is a heck of a lot better than replacement. Also a good time to check and replace piston if required.

I had a 2020 KTM300 XCW fail at .10 hours. The cylinder was scored. The bike still ran but ran poorly and would not develop full power. It took a few trips to the dealer before I pulled the exhaust off and looked in the cylinder and found the scoring. KTM and the dealer treated me well and replaced the top end, oil pump and oil tank. The bike has run great since the rebuild. This was in February of 2020. I got the bike back in April. KTM did say the had a few failures. Failures can happen to any brand. KTM did the right thing and took care of me and supported my dealer.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Good to hear, there have certainly been plenty of guys who haven't been looked after because they fell outside the tiny 30 day warranty. Did they remap the bike to the older mapping?

@Motojo459

3 жыл бұрын

They remapped mine to the version 2 mapping.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent. Apparently it's still quite lean but very few of the 2018 and 2019 models seized.

450 hours with my EXC(XC-W) 250 TPI 2018 here,never had a engine seized or a big problems with the tpi system and wouldn't go back to carb. I'm changing pistons every 150 hours. Oil pump replaced after 300 hours of use only as preventive maintenance. But many guys claim the oil pump could work up to 1000hours because it's very simple design, it could only seize if it's faulty from factory or if you drop dirt inside, so when you top up the oil always clean it thoroughly. 2T oil that I use is Motul 710.You need oil that is lower viscosity like Motorex, Motul 710(not the thick Motul 800)and it needs to be made for oil injection systems. No oil in gasoline tank!

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

The TPI specialists we spoke to said the mapping was better on the 2018 an 2019 models but the later models used even less oil and hence the seizing issues starting to emerge. They still feel it's too lean on your model, they usually richen the oil mix by about 20%. Possibly some oil pump failures are user error, but I think there's enough evidence to suggest there were problems with the actual pump... we'd really need KTM mechanics to confirm this but they usually keep their mouths shut.

I had a Suzuki 120 CAT 2 stroke in the 70's. It had a oil injection system. My other 2 strokes was a 250 CZ. I ended up saving time and just use premix and tied off the injector system. I wonder if you can do it to the KTM's? My 2016 300XC uses a Carb and glad it does. Jet for 4,000ft and is good in So Cal.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Looks too expensive to delete the TPI, Erik. Replacing the barrel and entire electrical system would be very expensive, before you even started on the other bits...

I reckon these issues are Sherco's greatest advertising campaign. After years of KTM.Husky ownership my next will be a carby 300. I guess my concern is that if there was an oil pump failure then that's it for the motor basically. Almost every other car/bike on Earth has an oil pump that will last for the age of the vehicle so I do not understand how KTM cannot do the same.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know how many oil pumps fail, Glenn. But like the seizures themselves I think it's a small but significant rate. Mind you, Sherco have plenty of issues with stators and ECUs randomly failing... but at least it's not seizing the engines.

Hello i live in spain and have a enduro renting company and bought 7 ktm 300tpi 2020, 4 of them dont have good Power. And the other 3 seizing within 500km. Dealers answer was no garanty anymore after one month. I had to buy 3 new cilinderkits. All bikes where on the dyno when they where new because i feel the difference in Power between them. And i was right, there was 5hp difference between the bikes. But ktm dealer can do nothing they said.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

This 30 day warranty with KTM is very disappointing, Robin. If the bikes aren't raced, they should have a six month warranty like other brands. Many owners are getting the ECU mapping changed back to the original mapping of the 2018 and 2019 models which uses more oil.

@hardendurospain9966

3 жыл бұрын

Oke i am going to ask the dealer if he can change to 2019 Software. Thank you

I'm going to guess that the number one mode of failure on TPI bikes is people not using the recommended motorex 2 stroke oil. Different oils have different mix ratio and different viscosities. The ecu would not know what oil has been put in the tank and potentially meter out the wrong ratio for the non recomended oil creating a lean situation. I would love to see the statistics around the oil brand/failure rates.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

An interesting point, Glenn. I suspect if that was the issue, or part of it, then it would have mentioned in that last KTM Technical Bulletin... or an earlier one.

2021 KTM 300 XCW Erz edition (friends)- oil pump failure at less than 10 hours - replaced entire engine 2021 KTM 300xcw - (mine)30 hours - no issues

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Any chance you saw wher the oil pump was made before it was installed, Jake? Or still got the old one to check? I know fuel pumps for KTM's four strokes are made in China, I wonder if the oil pumps are made there too and are simply cheap nasty products? In so many other bikes oil pumps simply last the lifetime of the bike, whereas KTM recommends replacement at 80 hours... but in some cases they don't even last 10 hours.

@JakeTiesler

2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro I hate to say but at 40 hours mine seized this weekend, did I overheat it, oil was too low? I'll check it out and get back - He had the shop do his work and didn't get any "feedback".

Do you have a link to the Technical Bulletin? I tried googeling it with the bulletin number but coudlnt find a "official" document. I would like to speak to my dealer about this (and getting a richer/ oil richer mix for free).

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

I just googled 'ktm technical bulletin tpi' and it pops up in a few places.

Another TPI problem, in Central, Idaho USA anyhow ---> I can't fill my chainsaw off the tank! My 2018 KTM 300 xcw has been incredibly reliable. It is in the shop right now though. Haha

@ian9toes

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t a chainsaw want more oil anyway. I use to use my bike fuel for a leaf blower until I seized it. I reckon 60:1 is a bit lean for a machine that’s held at full revs for extended periods of time.

@RadicalEarth

Жыл бұрын

@@ian9toes TPI has no mix in the fuel, so if you ride with a chainsaw with a TPI you need to bring a fuel bottle, and a bar oil bottle. Non-TPI you can fill right off the tank before it goes in the carb. I run 80 to 1 with amsoil in my ktm 300, and in the chainsaw.

I have a Husqvarna TE 300i 2020, and used it as supermoto, (no engine mods what so ever) Ive absolutely ripped the living hell out of it. Only issue ive had is a small powervalve cover leak. quick fix. cost lest than 10 usd. I use Motorex Cross Power 2t oil.

I would c if it’s possible to swap out that 21 century electrical tpi and put the good old fashioned carburetor from the motorcross bikes. I’m sure some adjustments and mods will need to be done and may not meet emissions I’m sure but u could probably just put it back on for when it comes time for emission inspection, Then pop it off afterwards.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

It looks as though the barrel is very different, haven't heard of anyone successfully going back to carb as yet.

rmx450 2016 model huge hours including fink etc, not a single issue never had to even do valves clearances.

@ShupNride

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah mate I have a 12 rmz450 with over 200 hours, not a prob, Same with my 98 rmx250s with 22,000km, zooks for the win ktm are just an under engineered fashion statement

I wonder if you can pour premix in to the tank and bypass the oiling system?

@crosstrainingenduro

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently it makes little difference due to where the injectors are placed, Rob. That's according to TPI specialists.

I've had propblems from the start. 2020 EXC150, seized at 35hrs and ran like crap after about 10 hours from new and seized again at 95hrs. I think the seizing is the check valves in the oil pump getting stuck, after the last time I pulled the pump apart and modified it to pump 20% more oil and it seems OK now. Just started running crap again (CCPS) like it has a way to rich needle, had been fine since I glued them around Xmas time (longest its ever gone properly). Wash the mud off today and try swapping CCPS over and see if it fixes it. Thats my piston in the video at 35hrs :)

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

It's a shame they don't really iron out all the potential issues before releasing new models. I know most owners don't encounter problems, but it's real hassle when you start hitting multiple problems.

@zxcvbnmnz

3 жыл бұрын

Going again with a CCPS swap, they seem to last me 10 hours before it starts to get the rich spluttery feel off idle. Have a selection of China/ford ones as well.

2019 300Tpi , just changed the piston at 80hrs. It looked perfect and measured within spec. Going to let it go 100hrs for the next piston change. Are any of these seizures caused by not warming the bike up first before being ridden hard? Pistons dont like it when they expand quicker than the barrel

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

I never publicly recommend this, Trevor, but I know when a two stroke 250 or 300 is well lubricated then top end rebuilds at 200 hours are common... assuming you aren't riding the bike aggressively. So 80 hours is very early for normal riding. Some guys have had cold seizures, but I don't know how common it is. KTM did release a mapping option that runs richer while cold. I think a cold start injector was introduced on later models too.

@trevorharper5151

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro First New 2 Stroke I have owned and 80hr piston replacement for normal usage was what the owners manual said so thought I might as well do what was recommended. Plus I was fitting a TSP cylinder head and ECU remap at the time. But yes 80hrs for the type of riding I do was early for a replacement.

My mate had his 2020 husky 300 fully rebuilt under warranty, it was getting 40-50klm out of a tank of fuel and leaked oil from the power valve cover, was running crap. He went to the dealer and they reckon it was the running in at the factory which caused the problems and got it done under warranty, I was very surprised it was 6 months old.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Do you know how many hours he'd done before taking it back, Eddy?

@EddyOtway

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro 50 hours

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting... I assume some dealers are very supportive and much push the case for a warranty claim with head office, I've seen a few 'good will' warranties. But then some dealers are trying to wriggle out of warranty claims as low as three to six hours.

I dunked my 2019 te300i 3 times and ended up having to rebuild at 120hr more from my own stupidity. when the oil pump went next day after the 3rd dunk it stalled and wouldn't start so I tried bump starting it down a mountain turned out the oil pump quit and when I replaced it fired right up but the damage was done I now have 2 oil pumps extra, a new top and experience.

My 2019 300 XC-W seized at 4 hrs. KTM warrantied it. I kicked in some money to offset labor at local shop...and brought breakfasts.

@crosstrainingenduro

Жыл бұрын

Good one, Chris. If KTM is anything like Beta they usually don't fully cover the bike shop's costs with most warranty repairs.

@chrismicallef1276

Жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro ....now, do I install the TSP head and IRK...? 🤔

@crosstrainingenduro

Жыл бұрын

😂

@CROSS TRAINING ENDURO I put 190 hours on my 2020 TPI bike and the only issue was the leaking PV cover. I never did change the oil pump. My thinking is if it's still working at that point the chances of putting in a new one that is faulty is higher than the original pump failing. The number of other issues on new tpi's I'm seeing now is a big part of the reason I switched back to a carb bike.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

I'll be considering a new bike in the next six months and a TPI model was on the list but I've taken it off now. I know the failure rate is low but I've always preferred bikes with less complexity... hence a DR650 for my adventure rides.

Just made 30hrs on my TPI... Runs just as new. No complaints at all. I bet the faults are 90% caused by the rider. Not doing normal maintenance or warming up the engine, stuff like that.

@crosstrainingenduro

Жыл бұрын

No, various specialists have confirmed that the stock setup can use a little as a 150:1 oil ratio. It's no wonder some riders are having early seizures and/or premature wear.

Would wish to highlight mroe under guidelines, how important it is, to heat up the engine proberly before you give load and revs.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

I did see quite a few guys talking about 'cold seizes' but I didn't find enough evidence to make it a solid point... so I just referred to the correct warm up procedure as a sub-point. But if I get some good cases reported I'll add it to the pinned first comment.

@alexths

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro Understood, it will be difficult to figure out what was to actual root cause of the damage. Enclose a link which I found very helpful to narrow down possibilies of piston failure: www.ms-motorservice.com/en/technipedia/post/piston-damage-and-causes/

I’m about to to buy a 2019 300exc and not sure to get it now, it got rebuilt under warranty at 20hours the bore was already scored. Recommendations ???

@crosstrainingenduro

2 жыл бұрын

If you buy it I guess just get it remapped to use enough oil... as per this vid?

Husqvarna tpi 2022 consumes a lot of gasoline ,,,can someone help me ?

Always keep in mind there isnt an emissions control system that exists for the benefit of the machine or process. They're not all perfect by any means. Growing pains around new emissions standards are common place for literally every machine in existence. As far as problems around this in the ktm world they are rare as could be especially compared to other shortcoming that have happened to other brands/companies experiencing the same pains. (Not always motorbikes - typically cars)

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

A common criticism of KTM is letting riders be guinea pigs for innovations. I looked at this in a recent vid and it's hard to know how true this is. You look at almost any aspect of technology and you see the similar growing pains with new models... kzread.info/dash/bejne/nax3qsWoeKircqQ.html

How can you know if the oil pump stops up or quits while riding..you don't until the entire engine is destroyed.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure where you heard that, Bryan.... there's an oil warning light on the dash. However one guy said it can easily slip out of its mount then you won't see it so it pays to check it's secure.

Bestdualsportbikes company explains this phenomena as those failures are occurring when you start the bike cold. The oil doesn't have the time to dissolve and mix in with the gas so for the first couple of seconds you are running that piston dry with only gasoline, which wares out the piston and cylinder walls. Dave of Bestdualsportbikes shows this with his TPI KTM cylinder and piston on his KZread channel KTM Husky. Here is the tilte of the video to search for " Why KTM/HUSKY TPI bikes wear out so fast ". He fixed this by putting one ounce of oil in the gas tank and doing a relocation block so the oil is injected after the reed cage so that it will mixe with the gasoline better. He also fixes the lean fuel issue so it runs richer.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

I've read quite a few debates about that Christian. It would be interesting to see a KTM engineer's take on it.

@christianwilliams1136

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro That would be interesting in deed :-)

@PNWEnduro

3 жыл бұрын

The piston is not dry when you start it, pull the pipe off or take the cylinder head off a week after you ride and you will see there is still residual oil on the cylinder wall. The KTM/Husky guy is known for manufacturing problems that do not exist in order to sell is products. I did a piston on my TPI bike at 150 hours and I've never seen a piston come out looking so good, could have gone another 100 hours and been fine.

I'm coming up on 80 hours on my 2021 KTM 300 XC. Four desert races, and lots of hill climbs and trail riding. I'm am starting to experience poor idle upon startup, and bogging at times I would not expect to experience bogging. I will definitely look into the crank case pressure sensor first. Thanks

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

I hope that's all it is, Kyle. Relatively cheap fix. And lots of them are failing in recent models.

@purtnearperkins

3 жыл бұрын

Kyle- have you changed your small in-line fuel filter inside the quick disconnect fuel line coming out of the petcock on the fuel tank? Those bogging and idle symptoms sound just like a plugged filter. I had the same issue in two TPI bikes I’ve had and changing the fuel filter fixed it.

@kylehumpherys

3 жыл бұрын

@@purtnearperkins, yes, I did replace it. The old one looked pretty clean though. My next step will be to do the idle screw mod. So I can adjust it.

@dnrg62

3 жыл бұрын

Kyle go to Tokyo Offroad he has a vid on the crankcase sensor and an aftermarket coupler to reduce some of the issue, worth a look d

I had an expensive warranty issue with my Husky, right around the 29 day mark, manufacturing error in the engine case. Dealer took the bike in, and told me a week later the claim was denied. I called KTM USA immediately, had the rep on the phone in 10 minutes, who told me no, the claim was approved. Dealer complained the whole time that they were going to lose big money on the job, and KTM doesn't pay enough to cover their actual time... It isn't always KTM who puts up the fight. Give them a call directly if there is any issue.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Beta dealers faced the same issue with main bearing failures. Beta head office only pays for five hours labor which isn't enough. Plus the dealer has to pay for non-labor costs such as engine oil, radiator fluid, any gaskets etc. I did ask Beta why they don't properly reimburse their dealers and was told it wasn't my business. 😂 KTM, and I assume most manufacturers, try to offload some of the cost to dealers. If you have a great dealer, help them out by stripping the bike down as much as possible for the repair.

@plkracer

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro good to know, I would have gladly helped, but I asked what they wanted done, and they said to take off the skid plate to get a better look at the defect, that was it. I found my repair paperwork, 7 hours for a full teardown and rebuild is what they were approved for, on a 4 stroke... 1734 USD for parts alone (Ktm paid for the oil, filter, and coolant), but I come back to the dealer quite often for gear, oil, etc because I got to know half of the staff through the process 😆

Friend of mine bought a new 2020 250 tpi (EU)oil pump failure after 20 hours. But all my other tpi friends 10+ never had any issues with there bikes

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Did it seize... and was it fixed under warranty?

@enduridou

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro Would have been nice, the crankshaft bearings got it first 1800€ No warranty

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Bummer. 😢

I almost think I’d rather have a smart carb. I have one on my GPX and I love it

@kameronleitzel8109

3 жыл бұрын

Was thinking about one for my beta 300rr mainly for gas savings

@LCARSADV

3 жыл бұрын

@@kameronleitzel8109 plus elevation and air temp changes too, it adjusts to those which is nice

@joshpashia637

3 жыл бұрын

@@LCARSADV my YZ has a lectron on it does a really good job ride all day on a single tank great power

Why shouldn't you pressure wash a TPI? Oil filler cap not being fully sealed is one area I can think of but are there other reasons? I have 40 hours on my 2020 XC300 without any issues. Running whatever map it came with but planning to get that updated soon (I didn't even know about bulletin until now). How do I know if I need the extreme map with more oil? I don't race but trail ride single track. Some steeper hill climbs and I'm 250lbs without gear.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Many argue it's not good to pressure wash around the engine of any bike, Daniel. There's just more complexity to a TPI so more potential for water ingress with electrics and components etc. The 2020 and 2021 maps run extremely low on oil... around 100:1 to 150:1 according to the TPI tuners, who argue it should be more like 80:1. Nonetheless, some are getting good mileage from late model TPI bikes, others are seizing.

@danpluso

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro Okay, thanks for the info! So not just TPI but with any fuel-injected bike, you should be cautious of pressure washing around the electronics and engine. I guess I could ask for the extreme map and see how it goes. Is there an easy way to tell if it's getting too much oil? I've heard of issues with plugs fouling on some TPIs so I wonder if reducing the amount of oil was their answer to the plug fouling issue.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the 2018 and 2019 used more oil but then did sometimes foul plugs. 🤔

A right warm up of the engine is very important in tpi,and lots of rides don’t do it correctly! 😉

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

👍

@unfunny2258

3 жыл бұрын

yep, if I let my dad use my bike he would start it, give it a few blips of the throttle and then do a hill climb

Not KTM related. But I recently replaced the main bearings in my 2020 TM en 300 FI. 20 hours on the bike. I was told low fuel quality. What I'm thinking is it's the plastic caged main bearings where the problem. They got hot They melt it then they fell apart. My solution was to run 80 to 1 premixed and the oil injection system together. So far so good

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Plastic cages? I'm no engineer but that sounds like a problem waiting to happen! Are they used on other brands of bikes as well?

@hackertheslacker

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro I don't know about other brand motorcycles. I do know they are used in snowmobiles as well. SKF has two models of the same bearing one has the plastic cage The other has the steel cage. I replaced them with the steel cage model number. I'd send you pictures if I could but I don't know how to contact.

@korrutustabel

3 жыл бұрын

@@hackertheslacker it used to be an option when tuning scooters. They were called polymer separators or something like that. The plus side was supposed to be that when separator fails the polymer doesnt harm the cylinder.

@unfunny2258

3 жыл бұрын

well the 20s did have main bearing tolerance issues, no?

Some KTM fan boy said I don’t own one cause I’m too broke. “No no man it’s cause if I did own one I WOULD be broke”

@supertedogpriken

3 жыл бұрын

or the bike would be broke

@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953

3 жыл бұрын

Bullshit. I’ve owned four KTMs since 2007 and NONE required anything but routine maintenance.

@manlymantis101

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve never had a single issue with any of my Austrian bikes. My dad puts more mileage on his bike than I put on my car and besides regular maintenance the bike has been flawless.

@ScottGummels

3 жыл бұрын

@@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953 no he means ktms are overprized asf

@robertkuegel4194

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve had great luck with KTM’s, Yamaha’s, Kawasaki’s and Honda’s over the years. Not so much Suzuki but probably fluke electrical issues. Looking forward to trying a Beta or Sherco next. Ive always felt my KTM’s were every bit as reliable as my Japanese bikes.

Mine had a light seize at 80hrs, 2018 tpi, I've had lots of different bikes over a 18year period and first time one of owned has seized 😔

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Did the mechanic say why?

@Huda88754

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro I rebuilt it myself, looked to be lack of oil. Put a tsp head and tune on it so will see how it goes

Im seeing mutterings on Reddit of the mighty DR650 being unavailable in many countries due to newer emissions controls, even Australia seems to be on the list. Any comments from your end?

@brianh8484

3 жыл бұрын

Australia/NZ and maybe other countries will kill the DR650 (and many other bikes I assume) due to new ABS brake laws.

@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse

3 жыл бұрын

@@brianh8484 Its a pity but understandable it would take too much investment to upgrade brakes and make it emissions compliant for many countries.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

I just emailed Suzuki Australia to see if Suzuki was going to do put ABS on the DR650 so we could have a 2022 model. No answer as yet.

@brianh8484

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro here in the US I don’t see them doing any ABS laws considering helmets are still just a recommendation in some states 😂

So Glad i got a carbed 300

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

A mate of mine bought one of the last carb 250s in Australia as he never wanted to buy a dirt bike with that much complexity...

Do they still make carbureted 2 strokes for enduro ktm?

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

As per the vid, Luke. All their mx models are still carb. Only the enduro models have been forced into lower emissions.

Move the injectors and use premix…eliminate the unneeded crap from your bike

My 2022 250exc six days seized after 15.5 hrs while warming up at the beginning of a ride. The oil had been topped up after every ride and never been below half full.

@crosstrainingenduro

Жыл бұрын

Bummer. Fixed under warranty Mick? And do you know if the dealer had the 103 map installed which uses more oil?

@mickbrannan3953

Жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro Ktm supplying the parts but the labour is on me, and I asked for the extreme map when I purchased the bike but just found out it has the sport rider map. Not happy I didn’t get what I asked for and this happened.

If owners are worried about that issue, I guess they could simply mix a little two stroke oil, in with the fuel to make the bike run a little richer. Or would that cause some other kind of problem ???

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

We aren't sure Kevin so it would be good to have a KTM technician or TPI specialist comment. Some say adding oil to the tank could possibly clog up the system. Others say it won't lubricate the bottom end or under the piston skirt. Others say it will. But we do know the 2020 and 2021 models are mapped to use between 15 to 40% less oil across the rev range and this may be the real issue. And mapping that ensures more oil use across the rev range could be the solution.

There all Ktms what about the te250i or 300i are they any good

@crosstrainingenduro

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much the same bike but they just charge more for the Huskies, Corin.

I just watch these videos to listen to his accent and watch his riding clips haha.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Strewth mate, you're just copping a gander ay? 😂

I'm not sure why people are rebuilding top-ends at 80 hours, the bike is probably out of warranty at that point. A simple compression test would tell if it was needed.

One thing I know to be aware of is the oil level warning light pulling out of its socket. I managed to pull mine out shoving a rag in behind the headlight plastic. Nearly got caught out. Was riding along and just noticed the glowing diode, pulled over and checked. Lucky I noticed it, it's barely visible once pulled out.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Good tip, Luke. I've added this to the pinned first comment. 👍

@LukeMorphett

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro No worries. We all gotta look out for each other. Plus I can't have fellow pumpkin riders giving you beta rides more material!

4 ktm tpi here in nova scotia and all owner fault apparently they all had to pay out of pocket for repair all were 2020

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Bummer. Any details Jordan? Did they seize? How many hours when they failed, were they out of warranty, what was the reason given for it being the riders' fault?

Carb for me Thanks 👍🏻

Why not mix oil and fuel manually? Like it was done before.

@gordonborsboom7460

3 жыл бұрын

Oil in the fuel makes the air/fuel mixture leaner. This may cause issues on its own. Injectors probably not designed to run this way possibly though I’m not familiar with this system. Maybe it is recommended in certain circumstances such as break-in.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know how successful this would be, Chris. Some claim with TPI it just gets burned and does no lubrication, others claim it can lubricate the barrel but not the bottom end. Could it clog the system? Some say it's a risk, others say they have run 150:1 with zero issues. I think we'd need a KTM engineer chiming in to know for sure.

@TepcoCycleRepair

3 жыл бұрын

You can't on the TPI because the fuel doesn't go in the bottom end like a regular 2 stroke. Only air and oil from the injector go in the bottom end. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lXmlu7OPpcTKec4.html

I don't know how true it is. But one guy who owns a ktm tpi said his bike was running at 100:1. What? That's insane. He swapped out his cpu (only a couple grand hahaha) and it changed his oil ratio to 50:1. I'll stick to my Rieju thank you very much.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Doesn't sound accurate to me. I know with Beta's system it will run 100:1 at idle, but as you ramp up the revs it runs richer and richer until you hit 32:1 at full throttle. I'm sure the KTM system will be similar. Remember trials bikes are usually run between 80:1 to 100:1 because it's all low revs and not a lot of engine load most of the time.

Is adding oil in the petrol as well as reservoir? 100:1??

@LukeMorphett

3 жыл бұрын

No. If you're interested my 2020 300 averages running at 108:1. I honestly think this is a reasonable number. Because at idle you certainly don't need even 200:1. Motorex even says you can premix at 100:1 if I'm not mistaken. I honestly can't see why they would need a richer mix.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

I think I prefer Beta's system, it's around 100:1 at idle then ramps up to 32:1 at full throttle. An average of 108:1 to sounds way too lean. Even trials bikes usually run at 80:1 with all the low revs and lack of engine load.

@LukeMorphett

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro I suppose time will tell. But I think either way you look at it oil injection is superior. Most of the time you don't need 50:1 (at idle) and at WOT you need something closer to 32:1 or 25:1. Only oil injection can vary the mix on the fly. There will always be issues along the way though, but I wouldn't go back to premixing.

2021 husky te300i 52 hrs my motor free spins when starting

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Do you mean the starter motor isn't disengaging, Anthony?

I'll stay with my heavy clutch on the sherco thanks.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

And hopefully no stator or ECU failures, Craig. 😁

@craigxb8033

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro hopefully not,good so far. Still nothing like damage from seized engines on kato's.

@Dobemandan

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro Never heard of the stator or ecu failures or stripped bolts and I'm active in the Sherco forum

@ewestre1

3 жыл бұрын

I am using the Midwest Mountain clutch and brake levers on my Sherco SEF-R 2017. I use the clutch a lot, and I swear by these. Have used them on all the Shercos I have had for the last 5-6 years, and will stay with them.

I have 70 hard race hours on mine and it runs like the day I bought it

@carlatamanczyk3891

3 жыл бұрын

You have an anomoly.

@robertkuegel4194

3 жыл бұрын

50 hours on my XC300 and loving the TPI. I ride a lot of tight single track and have blazed a lot of new trails with no issues. I’ve owned a lot of bikes in my life and this by far is the cleanest running bike of them all and never overheats. I think most of the major brands all make great bikes, some just do certain things better than others. Never been brand loyal, just buy what I think is best any given year.

@kimojon9665

3 жыл бұрын

@@carlatamanczyk3891 Not so, I ride with an entire crowd of TPI bikes and no issues whatsoever ever. Don't drink the cool aide

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I have to stress again the problems only occur in a small number of cases. Plenty of groups have zero issues. Occasionally you find comments (lower in this list) where four out of 10 guys had major problems with their TPI bikes.

I have 100 hours on a 2020 tpi and 50 on a 2021 tpi. No failures of any kind, not even a foul plug. TPI's can take the abuse. We should always expect some failure rate. Manufacturers aren't perfect. Yall yamaha bois have fun with those $1k e-start kits. I'm happy with my tpi!

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Hard to know what the failure rate is, Ryan. But it's definitely low. And with a bit of luck the final kinks in the system will be ironed out for 2022.

We have about 10 tpi bikes not one has failed. My friend recently drowned his and it’s in for a rebuild at 9 hours, but that was his own fault.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds about right. We don't know the specific rate of failure (and KTM is unlikely to tell us) but say it's a 5% chance then you should only see one in every 20 bikes seize. Other riders aren't so lucky of course, one guy said four TPI models have seized in his riding group.

@ashwillmot2051

3 жыл бұрын

Why does drowning it stuff it? Water in the oil tank?

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

See our vid about fixing drowned bikes, Ash.

For me it would be more about WHERE it fails. InIdaho and Montana we come upon a dead KTM or three every summer...many miles of up and down mountain terrain far from help. Pushing a bike 30 miles completely sucks even on a flat highway.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Is it a seized engine each time? With a bit of luck it's sometimes a smaller issue like an oiled plug but no one was carrying spares...

@HobbitHomes263

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro the first two I ever came across were a plug under the seat. The wiring harness was so tight that the plugs pulled themselves apart and were VERY difficult to put back together. 4 have been likely seizures as nothing could be done tomake the engine turn over. In every case the victim was with a group so we did what we could (or could not) and moved on. My gang of old cronies ride old Fin-Heads. You couldnt seize one if you put in a second piston

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Fin-heads... awesome! Always great to see some vin-duro action out on the trails.

For my 2022 te300i I mix my gas at 100:1 My brother with 100 hours on his 2020 no problems mixing 100:1

2019 is a unicorn year for the XC/TX 300. It's the only year with the newest chassis and a carburetor. I put a Lectron on mine and riding it and my buddies 2020 300XC back-to-back, I could see no performance advantage to the tpi. In fact, mine would rev out more and had more top-end power. I'll never sell this bike.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, a mate of mine picked up the very last carbed 250EXC and loves it. They were almost under 100kg that year, then suddenly gained 3kg the following year due to TPI. 🤔

@motogp1gprix1

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro and they gained that AFTER removing the kick-start. Last year to include that as well.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

It's a slippery slope... I was thinking about my next bike and TPIs were on the list until I started researching for this vid.

Crankcase pressure sensors Mine went bad, bought 2 new sensors runs like a new bike. Bogging never feels like it "cleaned out" was my symptom Went bad while sitting for winter USA Im about 75 hours and 1.5 years in. Husqvarna te300i. No issues other then the sensors have not done a top end or oil pump yet I run Husqvarna branded two-stroke oil and ethanol free racing fuel or 88 ethanol free it runs slightly cleaner/ crisper on 100 octagon ethanol free Singletrack pretty much all the time with 2 more wide open more throttle rides on the bike

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Are the sensors expensive, Spencer? Hopefully not... I just priced an oil pump at AUD$300!

@maucina12

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro there are replacement sensors from continental/vdo for around 40 usd

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Cool, good to know it's relatively cheap.

@ALB2073

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro Cheap in USA but not in Australia. AUD170 thanks to the Australia tax!

@SSYoung125

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro I dont remember how expensive the sensors were from KTM USA all I remember is in the middle covid trying to get my hands on them was very difficult my bike was parked for about a month waiting for both sensors so it must be a common item to go bad seeing how they were sold out/ on back order everywhere

Mine seized after 9 hours Steady trail riding Ktm have had it 5 months and still not fixed it

@crosstrainingenduro

2 жыл бұрын

Is that lack of parts, Liam? I know in Australia they have had trouble accessing barrels and pistons due to the number of failures. 🤔

Hi

4 stroker any day 1090R 2 oil pumps

Im quite happily poor so i can only afford a CRF. But more importantly i dont want to be stuck on the burmese border with a seized up money pit so it looks like the CRF will have to continue as my donkey of choice.... and i did actually blow it up but rings, seals n gaskets hit me for $30.... splendid.

@huskypoop4917

3 жыл бұрын

is yours the L model or the X

@theravedaddy

3 жыл бұрын

@@huskypoop4917 its a M. The suspension is harder.

@cedricboivin9422

3 жыл бұрын

Long live the donkey

@theravedaddy

3 жыл бұрын

@@cedricboivin9422 hes on his 2nd life now, im not sure what killed the oil rings but it was running really rich after i sank it. I think the muteki ecu controller drowned so ive junked it.

@cedricboivin9422

3 жыл бұрын

@@theravedaddy ☹️

2021 300 xcw, piston and cylinder are destroyed. seized

@crosstrainingenduro

Жыл бұрын

Bummer. How many hours when it happened, Johnny? Do you know if the dealer had installed that 'extreme' map that uses more oil? I'm not sure if that was available back in 2021...

@1122ss

Жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro 75 hrs. Don't know if the map was changed. They had the bike to replace the rectifier. I was told they usually reflash the ecu when working on bikes. The pipe didn't smoke more today than before.

I'LL stick with my simple DR650 four stroke thanks.

@doc650adventures

3 жыл бұрын

Yup! All day long! Cheers!

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

The mighty bush pig!

Pretty sure mine just seized at 40 hours, haven't taken it apart yet. Yes, it boiled over... engine light, no throttle response and bogging... seemed electrical and then cleared up... then knock knock knock....then died and wouldn't restart...... no stock fan, why does bike boil over so easy. Yes we ride dusty, sandy steep hill climbs and gnar but damn, 40 hours. This was my first fancy boy purchase ever, I'm usually very frugal..... like 1994 XR600 frugal Tempted to junk it and buy a YZ250x... I just wanted reliable, that why I bought new....

@crosstrainingenduro

2 жыл бұрын

Keep me posted on the outcome, Jake. Unfortunately quite a few TPI owners are finding they need to spend quite a bit of money to get their bikes running properly and lessen the chances of seizing.

@JakeTiesler

2 жыл бұрын

KTM declined the first "warranty favor since it was older than 30 days, so I gave them a call to see why the engine failed, was it my fault etc. They said "lack of oiling""lack of lubrication""new mapping needed possibly" So, they decided to cover all the parts even though they aren't obligated but it does seem these failures are somewhat common since my ridding buddy who also has a 2021 300 had the same thing happen roughly speaking. Hope this helps and gets mixed in the with data, just get the new remap, watch the oil level and pump, get a fan, keep a clean filter, let it warm up good. Cross fingers...

How many 250 vs 300 failures?

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

We don't have any stats beyond what we've reported in this vid, Kevin. We would need accurate figures from KTM and I doubt they'll be even admitting there's a problem, let alone sharing statistics.

@kevinmoore4887

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro Just curious if that Stat was known. 300's get used where torque is a premium, which often means slow and hot. I use to switch from tight to open areas when I felt my bike getting hot, play riding.

You can't beat a properly tuned carburetor on a two stroke. It doesn't get better than that. Two strokes are simple by design but the airflow demands are complex and only a carburetor gives true on-demand fuel for the airflow. Electronic injection is just guessing based on throttle position, rpm, and ambient conditions. I'd take a moto version just to get the carburetor. It will also be incredibly easier down the road if you plan on owning for a while, as far as maintenance and tuning and troubleshooting.

@crosstrainingenduro

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I think there's a reason KTM still use carbs on their mx two strokes. I couldn't find confirmation of this, but I hear that the number of KTM two strokes sold means the EU has forced them to comply with tougher emission laws, hence the TPI? So smaller brands like Beta, Sherco and Rieju can still use carbs.

@gregmulfort9577

3 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingenduro I'm sure alot of the reason is for compliance with EPA laws. Or at least some of the reason.