🤔Have you been converted? Would a light assist eBike make you change your mind? Let us know in the comments below! 👇

@LaurentiusTriarius

2 ай бұрын

I rented about 4 different models and owned a city ebike and a turbo levo. My answer is I don't own any at the time. Why? Access to local trails. ✖️ Annoying sound. ✔️ Heavy ASF. ✔️ Looking like a boomer. ✔️ Avoidable costly maintenance. ✔️ Eco friendly. ✖️ Dork factor. ✔️

@lcc8394

2 ай бұрын

great if your a dentist or bank manager but if you live in the real world 10k for a ebike light is ridicules...are bike manufactures trying to collapse the market, used bikes are still stupidly sky high priced after lockdowns and now they want the same as a deposit on a home for a ebike - scott and trek can go bust and f-off from the bike scene

@netlans

2 ай бұрын

@@lcc8394 You really don't need a light a frame on an e-bike. It is nice but just get a cheaper model that is a bit heavy with more power and battery but entry level derailers and mid level suspension closer to 5k. But ya if you have the cash, go for the top end. That is why you busted ass to make that money.

@LeonardoPostacchini

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely not converted, way to take away from something that is a healthy exercise and make is less of an exercise using components that are extracted with children labour and are an environment hazard.

@13Lextalionis

2 ай бұрын

I have tried Canyon Spectral ON recently and I loved it. That was a proper E-Bike but I'm not as fit as I used to be and I'm rideing on more flat terrain on daily basis. But trying and E-bike in the mountains was super fun. I didn't have a problem with it's being to heavy as I wouldn't make the top on regular bike. Even going down on some singletracks was fun - sure it wasn't playful but it allow me to make it in the first place.

Just hit 50 and struggling with hip/knee pain so joined the e-bike group. I now enjoy riding again which is the point of riding surely?

@redbomberr4594

2 ай бұрын

Too right. Without my e-MTB, I wouldn't be riding anywhere near as much. Plus, I use it to tow my trail tools around; gives me more energy and time for builds.

@jeffersonsharp2292

2 ай бұрын

Yes, ebikes are to mountain biking as jazzy scooters are to walking. When I get old and broken, I'll ride an ebike too.

@jimsteinway695

2 ай бұрын

Exactly unless you’re someone who doesn’t understand the difference between a motorcycle and a powered bicycle. I’m 65 and still riding my trek Fuel EXe. If not for these bikes I’d just be riding my road bicycle

My wife has an auto immune disorder. You’d never know by looking at her, but it’s wrecked her ability to enjoy a “normal” bike. The EMTB has been a game changer and allowed her to get back on the trail. The backhanded comments we get on the trail can be frustrating. But, we just have to focus on the fact that the ebike allows us to have trail adventures again.

@TCK71

2 ай бұрын

Ignore the haters mate, they can’t afford an EMTB so they resort to dumb ass comments.

@simonm1447

2 ай бұрын

Just ignore the id*ots and enjoy your time on the trails. Always a good ride!

@ap6584

2 ай бұрын

@FlatLander121 Any backhanded comments I would laugh in their face.. I remember how sceptical people were of disc brakes when they first arrived, it's human nature- most people aren't able to see the bigger picture.

@MattKLE650

2 ай бұрын

I think that ebikes are great for people suffering health issues but the trying to convert and convince everyone else gets tiresome.

@FlatLander121

2 ай бұрын

@@MattKLE650 I'm not trying to convert anyone. But they are a heck of a lot of fun. But, the ebike hate is frustrating. If it gets people outside with endorphins and some physical activity, go for it!

Last month, almost 2 years after she was forced to give up Zumba, MTB, and snowboarding due to knee issues, we got my wife a Trek Fuel EXe 5. So far she's just on rail trails and greens as she eases back into things, but it's been great having her out there with me on a bike again. These things are game changing!

As someone who's ridden "normal" MTb, motocross bikes (Honda CR250 was my last one) and now more recently an ebike (full fat specialized Kenevo) I can honestly say that anyone who thinks an e-bike is "just a motorbike" has most definitely never ridden a motorbike in their bloody life! LOL

@LaurentiusTriarius

2 ай бұрын

Technically it's a motorbike say whatever you want man... I ride dirtbikes since I'm 13 yrs old and road motorcycles since I'm 22, they are absolutely not the same riding experience, that's an emtb we're talking about but fact is it got two wheels and a engine: motorbike...

@LeonardoPostacchini

2 ай бұрын

@@69peterpumpkineater who is the smart pants? Motorbike, MOTOR bike. Not Throttlebike, what makes a motorbike is having a motor attached to a bike. E-bike pretty much fits exactly in the definition.

@LeonardoPostacchini

2 ай бұрын

@OP just because you feel like an e-bike rides more like a bike does not change the fact that it is note a bike. I have ridden bikes, motorcycles and mobylettes and it is besides the point. E-bike in fact is just that, a modern version of a Mobylette.

@Marionetax

2 ай бұрын

@@LaurentiusTriariusagree

@Marionetax

2 ай бұрын

@@69peterpumpkineater😂😂😂😂

So. I just turned 51 yesterday. I’ve been riding bikes my whole life. I raced bmx as a kid and I got in to mountain biking 20 years ago. I’ve had several different hard tails and full suspension bikes throughout the years. I got in a car accident in early 2020 which resulted in 2 herniated discs and physical therapy, etc… I tried getting back on a bike in late 2022 and to be fair, it wasn’t easy. I can barely do 3 miles in the woods without my legs burning and my back hurting and some heavy breathing. I bought my first ebike last Saturday as a gift to myself. I got the niner rip9e. I was able to go out and do 8 miles in like 35-40 minutes without getting too winded or sore. I can tell this is going to be a whole new era for me. Thank the lord for technology. Lol. Now, I look forward to going out riding with my 15 year old son. I hope he can keep up.

I got no problem with e-bikes, its the cost and the maintenance dept that im affraid of. I already find it tedious to service a nice fullsus bike, let alone an e-bike. Not to mention if the electrics need servicing or replacement.

@tdunkerley1

2 ай бұрын

I'm also very concerned about manufacturer's warranty on motors and associated parts, when there are so many newcomers to the electric bike party. Who will even be around in five years? I don't like the idea of leasing my bike like I do my mobile phone, with an expiration date built into it! No, I want to be able to ride and maintain my bike for many, many years to come.

@jimsteinway695

2 ай бұрын

TQ is very simple. If you can plug it in then that’s all you have to do. If you can work on a full sus bike you can handle the Ebike, I would buy one that has the same motor as many manufacturers like the TQ motor. That makes it easier to find parts etc.

@robertmcfadyen9156

2 ай бұрын

​@@jimsteinway695I have ridden TQ and virtual switching in the software patches can be daunting when changing any components . They are bland performers compared to Brose / Specialized .

Your either keeping it real or you've got a ebike. But if you have a injury or your getting on a bit in age I think there great whatever gets you out on the Trail. The techs moving so fast, very excited to see what the future holds and looking forward to getting a ebike when I'm a old man (65) if I'm lucky

I love the content, always makes me happy to watch.

I thought exactly the same around e-bikes they are cheating etc then I bought a Trek Fuel EXe absolutely love it I’m fortunate to have some local tracks around me and I find myself if I got a spare hour going to ride them and doing the same amount I would have done in two hours on my normal bike, I haven’t lost my fitness either as I have my normal Hardtail and still feel good on that the lightweight category brings the best of both worlds they feel almost identical to a normal bike but you get that little bit of help up the holds and can cram in far much riding that’s hot to be a win In my eyes 😃

Riding the Fuel Exe, love it, feels like a normal trail bike

Im 52 years old and work 6 days a week . Where I live there are big steep hills and when iI go to town its all up hill the way back at least 2 hours up hill ..thats why i want an e bike

@DavidParathyras

2 ай бұрын

I don't like e-bikes and I never will. 😊 Your opinion is totally respectable 💪. I know how it's like to leave in a town with steep hills. I spent my four University years in Lamia, Greece. Stay away from it😅

@LeonardoPostacchini

2 ай бұрын

And then you would be doing less exercise every day and your fitness would decline and soon enough those hills are going to be as bad as then as they are now on a bike.

@rodmarker2071

2 ай бұрын

@@LeonardoPostacchini Err no , that is false logic

@rodmarker2071

2 ай бұрын

Go 4 It you will not regret it

@LeonardoPostacchini

2 ай бұрын

@@rodmarker2071 that is not even a response. But I will humour you, our body adapts to the stimulus and we tend to put in effort based on need, he will not have the need that drives him to put the amount of effort he does right now and the stimulus will be less because the motor will be doing part of the work. His fitness will decrease and he will pay a fortune in upfront cost and then maintenance.

I've got the specalized turbo tero 3.0 it's a hardtail with 50nm and a 530wh battery I love the thing it makes climbing a joy

I have a FF Kenevo, recently got my wife a scott lumen with the TQ motor. My kenevo is a bruiser, awesome DH type bike with a motor. I’m super impressed with her Lumen though, feels like a normal bike, even with the motor off. The power of the TQ is just so smooth.

@robertmcfadyen9156

2 ай бұрын

Bland to many though after riding Brose .

I spend all day going up and down my local bike park on my EXE. At the same time I see non e-bikers sitting in a van having their bikes towed behind them back to the top...yet im cheating on my E-bike 🤔

@chairmanmeow1875

2 ай бұрын

This point is always so conveniently forgotten

@rodmarker2071

2 ай бұрын

@@chairmanmeow1875 Nailed it

@robertmcfadyen9156

2 ай бұрын

The EXE only has about 50 km of range which is not much seeing that they are trying to keep the weight down . A few extra laps and the battery would flatten completely on longer riding / summer season days .

@rodmarker2071

2 ай бұрын

@@robertmcfadyen9156 That assumes 100% battery usage . You don't need to use the battery all the time. You think we never turn them off ? One soons get's into when to use and when not to use .Anyway some people find 50km OK with 100% power . Some people aren't going 150km twice a day

@robertmcfadyen9156

2 ай бұрын

@@rodmarker2071 I still think of it similarly to my motorcycle . About 25 - 30 percent of the time you are accelerating . 30 percent cruising on flat and 30 percent falling grade . The same as traction motors when I drove electric trains 30 years ago . A battery would give you about 135 kilometres given the 10 percent from flat battery cutout management feature .

I've had my fuel exe for about a year now, I've gotten so much more rides than i ever did, i don't feel like "ugh.. i do feel like riding but i'm going out for 2 runs that will take 2 hours" but then i can do double in those 2 hours, it's more appealing.

Just got a lightweight eMTB absolutely love it was doing 4 laps to 1 on some guys on regular MTBs today still get a great work out just get up those hills so much faster! Clearing some doubles that could not do on analogue bike!

I've been following the development of "lighter, lower power EMTB" for a couple of years now, I'm on An Orbea demo day this weekend and will be trying a Rise out on our local hills. cant wait

Its the prices of the bloody things that get me...Way too much...Ha!

@liquidmakor6793

2 ай бұрын

you're literally paying more for less. And you are literally getting less performance, less battery, hence less weight

@RAZ423

2 ай бұрын

Trek came out with an alloy Fuel Exe that sells for less.

@Wheelsanstuff

2 ай бұрын

Mtbs have never been cheaper than right now.

@seanchadwick6182

2 ай бұрын

Build your own and its half the price of a commercial one.

There’s such a diverse range of emtb. Lite weight full power beast with technology that allows you to do some interesting adjustments. Or a very inexpensive basic setup that most of us can afford. My local shop has some incredible deals on GT E-Current models. $2473.00 OTD couldn’t pass up the deal. 😊

Had the old debate that'd I never ride an E-Bike with the LBS owner. He raised a great Pro point for the E-Bike, for him he's getting older (In his early 70s) and when he goes riding with the local crew he struggles with keeping up on the climbs. But now with an E-Bike he can keep up easily and get 5-7 loops in instead of calling it a day after 1.

@netlans

2 ай бұрын

Yup. I ride with my daughter and I could complete the trails but they are not having fun waiting for me. Plus the e-bike is just more fun.

They are great bikes, but price tag is unacceptable. I still wanna buy e-bike in some point (in future) but i personally never spend 5 grand on it.

@swansmeister

2 ай бұрын

You think 5 grand is expensive, bro my non E mtb is that price, for a real decent E mtb it's 10k minimum.

@gopium1976

2 ай бұрын

Same here I want one to get myself to work in the summer it was either a eMTB a Sauron or get my motorbike licence

@MrMuz99

2 ай бұрын

​@gopium1976 - Well, a Sur Ron is an electric dirt bike, so if you want to stay legal you'll have to get your motorbike license anyway. I live in Scotland, UK, and the only time you see a Sur Ron is when it's being ripped about illegally with hooded/masked riders.

@Bambeakz

2 ай бұрын

@@swansmeisterBro... No friends to flex to?

@Silverbeardedsurfer

2 ай бұрын

Get a better job? I've got 2 ebikes. Both great for different use cases. Shop around. I'm paying £5k for the £7k SL after a price match over 2 years. Don't even notice £200pm.

I bought the Orbea mid power eMTB last year and love it. I rode the 50lb specialized and the Trek Fuel EXe. I didn’t like the full power bike, it was just too heavy. I really liked the trek but was worried I wouldn’t be able to keep up with my buddy who had just bought the specialized full power, so I opted for the Orbea. We have done some incredible rides, that I wouldn’t have been able to do on my regular bike. They are a game changer, but I still love my regular bike for my normal rides.

@jimsteinway695

2 ай бұрын

The fuel EXe is NOT a full power emtb. Did you ride the RAIL? The EXe is a very mid powered bike. The Oreba puts out more power than the Fuel EXe . If you wanted a mid powered bike the trek would have been the better option

@garthdougherty8489

2 ай бұрын

I wasn’t interested in the rail, or any full powered Emtb. The Orbea is mid-powered as well, 65 Nm vs the 50 Nm Trek. I would have been happy with the Trek I’m sure, I think it’s a sweet ride. They were both about the same weight, right around 40 lbs, but the Orbea put out a little more power. If I had it to do over, I would probably go for the Trek because it was so quiet.

@robertmcfadyen9156

2 ай бұрын

​@@garthdougherty8489The Yamaha / Giant ones are reasonably quiet too . TQ can get a bit noisy as the pinion grease disperses or dries out from thousands of" hot/cold/hot/cold events during use . This problem haunts all motors eventually . I have seen TQ come to me with a noisy rumble sound with dried out chalky pinion grease after a heavy year of use or so . Moly disulfide grease from Castrol fixes this at service time .

@robertmcfadyen9156

2 ай бұрын

​@@garthdougherty8489The Orbea is 370 watts at 100 percent assist / measured on adapted motorcycle dynamometer .

@robertmcfadyen9156

2 ай бұрын

I still sometimes pass emtb riders with 250 watt setups due to my training techniques and conditioning . My TREK 11 kilogram mtb is a good lightweight climber too which helps plus I have had a proper bike fit which helps make producing human power easier for me . A friend has a Giant ebike and after 3 months it is starting to fall apart and is losing performance . The dealer that sold it to him , gave him the cold shoulder about the issues he has had with it .

That “light” Trek would be CDN $18,000 (tax included) in Canada, and we are still looking at 42 lbs that you have to lift when loading, unloading and bringing the bike in/out of your house. Those who truly need the help of a motor, may not have the strength to handle the lifting that sometimes is unavoidable. 😀 Prices aside, most of us older guys (I am almost 62) who are candidates for e-bikes don’t need 150mm enduro level bikes. I ride a short travel trail bike (YT Izzo with 130mm travel) and that is plenty of bike for a former XC racer. My bike is far from the light bikes I used to race, but it is still reasonable at 28 lbs. I cannot imagine lugging a 42 lbs bike up the stairs into my house and then down the stairs into my basement. 😅

@BlackMan614

2 ай бұрын

Bingo. Lifting these bikes onto your bike rack seems like a PITA. I'll stick w/ my 22lb XC bike which I can easily whip around and carry. And I'm OLD.

@netlans

2 ай бұрын

I am 65 with a 12 inch metal plate and 10 screws in my femur. My bike weighs a little over 50 lbs and I have no issue loading or storing it. If you are taking it up stairs mine has a walk feature so it pulls itself up stairs without a problem. I could still ride an acoustic bike but an e-bike is way more fun and I can put in double the miles and the fun.

Just got my first mid power e-bike, a Transition Relay. I am amazed how much fun it is to ride and how it feels close to a regular MTB. It has made it some boring trails so more fun (think cross country trails). I love both my regular MTB and eMTB.

I'm fine with my regular bike. I'd rather do a ride under my own power. But this is an interesting concept. Personally I think the Trek looks better and don't like the hidden shock

I hated Emtbs and then I rode one…….now I’m gonna stick to my full fat Giant E+0.

I struggled with the full fat bikes because they’re so heavy; a 55lbs bike make its weight known on jumps and drops. I also hated the feeling when you hit the limiter however I did see the appeal. I made the jump to a lightweight e-bike last year and love it. I ended up with a massively discounted Kenevo SL and it offers just enough power to take the sting out of climbs, feels natural to ride and lets me get more laps in.

I live in Bavaria , our Mountains are real Mountains - no haters here , people just pick what they want . My e-bike extends my pedaling range and I have a e-bike for shopping , I got a €500 grant for my e-bike for city riding.

Not too bothered on anyone's opinion on ebikes .. each to there own . If it gets people out riding then surely it's good . I ride both and have fun on both.. live and let live .. simple .

I'll pass on SL's and just switch between my normal bike and 57lb land barge until solid state batteries have been worked out. Not paying 2x the price for a weak motor with less range, shaved down tubes, and weaker components

I have a full Fat Turbo Levo at 24 kg and I am looking to trade it in for a 19-20 kg e-mtb… Same problem like the hater here, I dislike how heavy it feels while juggling it around corners and switchbacks, I want it to be easy and playful like my old full susser was at less than 15 kg.

@jimsteinway695

2 ай бұрын

Exactly why I went trek Fuel EXe instead of Trek Rail. Trek makes the Fuel EX analog bike and they look the same . Had I gone specialized I would have gone turbo SL I rode the Turbo. Too heavy and looks like a motor bike

I don't have a car and the trails I frequent are quite far, doable but far, by the time you get there you're already spent. eMTB would help if not for the price of admission.

@MsTatakai

2 ай бұрын

Even tho the price (which is insane yes) you have to pedal like 20kg of a bike and the assist the motor gives you is so wierd to pedal... imo i tryed out and i can pedal faster on a normal bike than a ebike ... i mean, they are cool for unfitted ppl but for ppl that can ezly pedal up to 25 km/h the e-bike can be a heavy bike to pedal =/

@godstrashman

2 ай бұрын

@@MsTatakai Are you pedaling 25km/hr up climbs? Did you miss the "mountain" part here?

@MsTatakai

2 ай бұрын

@@godstrashman i missed the part you said you needed a car or a eMTB to Climb up sorry ... and by 25km/h i meant road ofc ... sorry

I never understood the hate between mountain bikers and emountain bikers. I guess it is as "stupid" as the hate between Volkswagen and Opel back in the days. If I had the money I would love a light eMTB, personally I kind of fell in love with the Transition Relay 💛 So far, because it is not affordable to me, I am running a MTB without motor.

Full power, but I would like to demo something like a transition relay with the fuza ride 60.

I just recently purchased a full fat EBike and I have only ridden in boost mode twice. I only ride it in eco or trail so that I do get a good workout and keep my heart rate up. Plus that way my buddies that ride acoustic bikes can keep up.

@simonr7097

2 ай бұрын

I thought the term "analog" was a bit silly for a bicycle, but it's the first time I hear them called "acoustic" :D

@vashon100

Ай бұрын

@@simonr7097 Yeah, acoustic is a poor term (acoustic = sound). If there's any sound, it comes from an ebike not a non-ebike. I don't care what guitars do.

Good for those who want a light ebike, like my mate who's forced to use them because of health. However ebikes still have a much more limited life then a normal bike, the drive train, power system and motor are not upgradable and they have limited second hand value. On top of that you need a computer and specialist software to link control units to motors and specialist tools to service motors making maintenance especially expensive, on top of the initial cost. Unless necessary they still don't look like a good investment. If I had to use one these would definitely be on my shopping list though.

I ride both ebike Mondraker crafty xr and normal love them both and just about to push the button on a Mondraker Neat..with the TQ motor as I like enduro bikes the 150/160 is close enough and don't see much disadvantages as the less weight doesn't blow through the travel and can tackle most descents and trails...and I can go in longer rides as it's easy to ride when the power drops or I can carry a spare battery..what's not to like 🤛 Arthur

I'm looking for a car replacement ebike and I live in a mountainous village. My fitness is quite good, but grocery shopping shouldn't become an epic challenge. These are probably not the bikes I'm looking for, but it's good to know they exist.

I stay with normal bikes cheaper to own , operate and to replace parts plus I won’t run out of battery

@ghostdog6471

2 ай бұрын

👍👍👍

I've got both, an e-bike and a 'me-bike'. So far, I've continued to ride the me-bike more but the e-bike is there for those long rides when I'm not feeling up to it. On those days, the e-bike gives me a day in the saddle that I would have otherwise missed. At my age, a little help is welcome!

I think in the future, the regular bikes, Ie none assist will be only for a hardcore group who still get a kick out of knowing they did everything themselves on a ride and didn't need to rely on some form of assist. Personally, I love all types of bikes.

@LeonardoPostacchini

2 ай бұрын

In other words, the market is going to make people fatter and less fit to make extra bucks.

@CnyMTB

2 ай бұрын

​@LeonardoPostacchini the market doesn't dictate your eating habits.

@vashon100

Ай бұрын

non-assist , not none .

@teamdoa

Ай бұрын

@@vashon100 Thanks for that. I will make a note for next time, so I do not get it wrong.

So what is happening to gmbn? You have a platform to cover this product, keep it on point. I don't go to your channel to check out road bikes.

I was a Ebike hater... now I ride a Haibike Lyke with the Fazua Ride 60 😅

Bought my wife a Trek e-Caliber recently which is ridiculously light. Right fit for her and great on. the trail. Didn't need the full power of a heavier e-MTB Love the video guys!!

what model is the fox jacket please 🙏 thanks

While I don't like e-bikes, I get why a lot of people ride them. Weather you have a physical problem, you're old or you just hate uphills, e-bikes are great!!! I truly don't understand the hate they get

I was thinking for the longest time if to get Trek fuel Exe but unfortunately they make only XL and not XXL as ex …. Bummer

I love Trek,i own Roscoe and Marlin hard tails, but i am unable to get Fuel full sus, not talking about electrified one, due to sanctions and war and logistic problems in Eastern Europe. Also, those versions aren't getting imported here at all...

I don't understand why people "hate" ebikes, gravel bikes or any bike that could be considered niche. If it's not your cup of tea, don't ride it. If it suits a persons lifestyle/needs and they enjoy it, who am i to rain on their parade. I'll give anything a go. for me personally, I just enjoy going as far off road as I can under my own steam and seeing where my legs can take me.

@jimsteinway695

2 ай бұрын

Haters have personal problems. It’s their own hateful world. Don’t let them in your nice world

What other light ebike manufacturers are there besides the brands tested here?

Ha Ha! Gutsy video! The never ending saga of eeb vs analog, like Flats vs Clipless… Nice video! 👍

The new cannondale moterra sl seems to be the best of both worlds. 85nm motor 601watt battery and weighing in under 20kg. What are you thoughts. Seems to me this is the future

I have a full fat giant fathom pro because my hip and knees are knackered and my ebike means i can still ride a bike but without the pain but i would really like a lighter ebike for days out exploring our beautiful country as the full fat bikes on a rack on the back of my car makes me nervous due to the weight of them.

Owning an e-bike is the worst this you can do for your fitness. One of the fitter guys we ride with bought a light e-bike and has been riding it all winter (mostly on his own). We managed to get him out on his regular bike last week, he was at the back of the group moaning about how hard it was, 6 months ago he would have been at the front laughing at the slow guys.

@markdavis8430

2 ай бұрын

Facts 👌 Their for people over 50 imho I’m 33 so not long to go ✌️

@PWRIV

2 ай бұрын

You were so triggered by E-bikes that you forgot to proof read the first sentence of your shit post. "The worst this you can do"? Lol fail.

@carterschichtel9678

2 ай бұрын

I think it depends how you ride them. I smash limiter and pop off anything I can make a jump and get pretty good exercise. If you ride normal speed you are just saving energy. With a emtb I can ride xc trails like a downhill trail.

@ryanmichels2981

2 ай бұрын

Depends on what assist level you ride in and how hard you push. If you doddle on a normal MTB, you can also get minimal benefit from that.

@69peterpumpkineater

2 ай бұрын

Ok, what if you dial it down in eco mode? I know for a fact you can get the same level of workout in this way, you just cover ground quicker. And I doubt he really was this super fit freak of a human if that was the case 😂 I don’t own an e-bike but in my case it would allow me to ride my local trails mid-week after work just because of how fast I can get to them and also uphill. Mix that in with regular rides and I don’t understand your point all a sudden? Variety is key…it’s a tool.

Hi GMBN crew. Keep up the good work. I believe you missed the biggest problem with ebikes. Once someone in your group buys one, you never see them again. It's like trying to mix oil and water. Also the price is absolutely ridiculous. I bought my old, high-performance BMW M5 for about the same price as upper, cheap ebike. Madness!

@netlans

2 ай бұрын

What? You got it wrong. I am 65 with a 12 inch metal brace and 10 screws in my femur. My daughter is a beast on a bike and obviously has to wait for me. This make it so no one ios waiting on anyone. I usually take up the rear so she sets the pace. I see much more of her because I am now keeping up and she is having more fun because she does not have to wait. If you are getting left in the dirt maybe take it personal?

I think that Trek Fuel is honestly one of the best looking bikes available, be it with or without the motor. Looks incredible in the mustard yellow as well!

Scared to ride one coz I know I will like it and be addicted to it!😅

As an older guy I definitely like the idea for longer days (race marshaling or trailcare). That said, I think I'll wait a few years to see what the progression is rather than buying what amounts to only the second iteration of the tech. Remember that the mountain bike itself took decades to become what it is today. In fact my 2017 bike was quite different from my 2023 bike geometry-wise.

@brentcollins9727

2 ай бұрын

In my opinion, with the massive downturn in the industry, I think you’ll be waiting a long time for the next iteration.

Yes this is fun to have assist uphill, but we can also have a ski lift… As for now there are two biggest arguments against e-bikes: price and thinking about charging the battery. With regular mtb I can simply take it and ride…

The neame of the Trek rolls off the tongue. Like a 40 foot artic off a cliff length ways.

Light MTB would be aqesome, if there were reasonobly priced options. They are tons more expensive then a full power mtb. So for anyone budgetbound its eiter bio or full power

@kurotar

2 ай бұрын

There are .. u have tons of spec options. Pricing is from 5.4k to 14k

Anybody living in the UK thinking that there to expensive needs to looks into the cycletowork scheme (most companies I’ve worked for offered it) Im literally making a near £800 saving on a £2500 bike

$13,000 Carbon or $5,300 Aluminum for 5lbs more haha damn! Ex-e orrrr 10lbs less than the aluminum and just get the acoustic version and work them legs boiiii :) for only $2,500

18kg is still a damn heavy bike, that's going to feel very planted compared to a 14kg bike, not to mention the price is insane, and you still have the whole range problem.

I'm 45 and thankfully still fit, I like a climb to feel like a climb still.... feel the burn baby. I'll probably switch when my body catches up to my age!

How come the EXe has a Fox fork and a RockShox shock?

I just see no downside. Eebs let you ride further, longer, more. That's it for me. Normy for fun, e for more. Ridiculous pricing apart, they're a great leveller.

@user-wk1dn9fs4r

2 ай бұрын

You lose the feeling of accomplishment after getting to ride the downhill after the climb up.

@Silverbeardedsurfer

2 ай бұрын

​@@user-wk1dn9fs4r Not at all. And I can do it more times. Going up becomes fun. In fact I go "out" on my ebikes. I'm not too bothered about the up and down.

"It never gets easier, you just go faster".

Ebikes definitely give you a workout especially on downhill courses! But they plow through them like downhill bikes thats exactly why i like them! My 180mm 170mm megawatt destroys stuff any downhill bike can and i can do laps without paying uplift 👌🏻

I would LOVE one of these 😆

Wanna workout on your full fat Eeb... Spend a day towing your friend up the hills and you'll know what I mean 😬 Then, the next day you can put in some solo laps and at the end of it all, you don't feel like you've been through a meat grinder 😎 Eebs rock 🤘

I'd like to see a honest comparison between ebike and non-bike that are the "same" model (like the Fuel Ex and the Fuel EXe.) I'd like to see the pros and cons of both bikes, not which one is "best". Sometime I find myself regretting not getting the ebike when I bought the Trek Fuel (Fuel EXE vs Fuel EX). I decided against the eBike for only two reasons. The first was the eBike cost more, but what's more credit card debt at this point. The second was something personal to me. I live here in Hawaii, on the island Oahu, which means I need to fly to go mountain bike riding any where else in the world, and right now eBike don't fly (due to battery size, and fire risk). I know of no bike battery rentals and it wouldn't matter due to the nature internal battery...

With e-bikes I hate, HATE, that they cost so much!

Can't afford one but I haven't felt the need for one but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want one though.

I used to laugh at ebikes. Now I ride the Levo SL (cuz I'm 60) and even tho it doesn't look like an ebike it still sounds like one, and I'm embarrassed sometimes to have people hear the motor so I turn it off when passing. I'm in Colorado and ride between 6K and 8K ft elevation where it's always dry and slippery and looks like you're always wet and slippery. Thanks for the vid.

i had the good fortune to ride a week with an ebike provided by my friend , i can only say wow it is so much fun, i can motor up climbs which wouldve killed my cardio and ended my ride for the day, that being said with the full powered E-bike i ended up riding even more , and got even more knackered than on a pedal bike. so this is my experience on ebikes . is it cheating ? if given a set distance , yes of course its cheating compared to a pedal bike, especially if you are considered physically well, but for those with health issues this is a Godsend . the skills involved in handling an Ebike, now thats not so clear cut. its heavier and the power surge will need getting used to . features that need power and speed to get up and over , the Ebike makes it easier . but if you suck at handling speed , then its gonna challenge you. overall i felt its great fun, amazing and novel experience for me , but in my heart a regular pedal bike is just more real to me ( for a lack of a better word). but i will get an Ebike when im like 60 years old it will definitely boost my quality of life at an older age

I’m 65-years old, had both hips replaced, both shoulders replaced and a five vertebrae neck fusion and still ride a normal MTB! I ride technical double blacks all the time. Never an e-bike!!

Ngl I ain't a hater it's just that I prefer the look of a little thinner top and bottom tubes and the look of the smaller bottom bracket

this episode is presented by Neil Donoghue and Rich "100 PERCENT" Payne

Neil back on Scott 🤘

As usual, an excellent video but please, please, please dump the 'exciting' muzak cliché during the ride segments. Let's just have the crunch of wheels on the ground.

My Santa Cruz is 26 pounds i fly with it, and i have a fat ebike i love it

I have seen plenty of damaged top tube displays .

Buying my Spectral ON was the best decision i ever made

I'm a bit afraid that it will wreck the motivation to ever pedal unmotorized again. Plus the price is just way to high and I don't want to make concessions in parts like suspension or brakes

I don't have any hate for ebikes, they just aren't for me. I prefer to do the work. Putting in the effort is part of the reason I ride.

@jerryspeedbumps512

2 ай бұрын

You can push the same wattage and time, and therefore work, into an e-bike. The pricing sucks though!

I haven't ridden a e bike yet to me they are too expensive to buy if they do a full suspension for around £1000 then I could be interested as I have non ebike that I bought last year

10:19 Welcome to legal limits. To make up for the added weight you should have about 900W peak and 450W continous. The UK limits that to less than half

I feel like rinding an E-MTB has helped me progressing so much quicker in riding MTB in general, because depending on where you ride you can easily do 2-3 times more laps. I do feel the weight of my full power, heavy EMTB, but not necessarily in a bad way, it gives you so much stability in really rough sections. And that confidence translates to the MTB and once you get used to handle a heavy EMTB (which actually doesn't really take long) you automatically get better at handling an EMTB. Plus, I generally ride more, especially in snowy and very muddy conditions, because the motor carries you through stuff that you barely could ride on an MTB.

@ghostdog6471

2 ай бұрын

Yeah right 😂, I also ride in those conditions, but on a normal bike, and I definitely don't need any electrical assistance, because I'm just not lazy 😉

@69peterpumpkineater

2 ай бұрын

@@ghostdog6471you wouldn’t ride more than 5-6 trails on my local at the most. 20-25 minute slog up a super steep hill each time…yes, they’re super steep trails. I’ve done it analogue only for years now but nearly everyone I see rides FF e-bikes up there now because they get 16-18 runs in instead. There’s simply no argument to that fact. If these were just trail centre type rides then I’d never consider an e-bike but even you would be gassed after 5-6 runs and 4 hours in my local (1300-1500m climbing)

@ghostdog6471

2 ай бұрын

@@69peterpumpkineater , I guess you have a valid point here. I know how it feels with those steep hills where I have to push the bike uphill after a few rides.

@69peterpumpkineater

2 ай бұрын

@@ghostdog6471 greater sense of accomplishment doing it the old fashioned way though and builds pure leg strength like nothing else!

@ghostdog6471

2 ай бұрын

@@69peterpumpkineater , correct

Never understand the hate

@LeonardoPostacchini

2 ай бұрын

Simple, bike green transport and exercise, e-bike less exercise and the battery material is a non recyclable pollution that uses a rare material that is extracted under inhumane conditions.

@jmo2752

2 ай бұрын

@@LeonardoPostacchini you could say the same about any device which uses a battery... including the one you are typing on. And you can get as much exercise as you want on an eMTB. Educate yourself.

@robertbransby

2 ай бұрын

​@@jmo2752bang on mate

My gf's dad has an fuel exe its only 8lbs heavier than my ex5. I think its got the tq motor. Its quiet as fuck and barely looks like an ebike. But the power is not nearly as much as the turbo levo i tried and the power really takes like a good couple cranks to kick in, but it really feels just like any other bike and still gives him just as much of a workout as he needs at his age. Hes been biking for years and is just at the age where it's a longevity thing so he can ride further and just as fast. Not to mention the knee replacement. Its still quite a workout on climbs and by no means takes all the work out of it. Not sure if i'd pay what he did tho. if i wanted an ebike id want something fast.

I have a Trek ExE TQ bike. It might be the greatest bike ver built. I went on vacation and rode 30-50 miles a day for a week without feeling beat up. My channel has she videos.

I'm happy with my carbon hardtail MTB but don't mind if someone wants a pedal assist eBike if their fitness is not 100% or they have a lot of steep uphills, against throttle only eBikes - they're definitely 'motorbikes'.

I don’t hate them, I just can’t afford them. One day il have one. Il probably wait until they have been standardised , otherwise I feel like I may be wasting my money.

@joshuaallswang8016

2 ай бұрын

Speak for yourself. I hate cheater bikes

@littledevilchris666

2 ай бұрын

@@joshuaallswang8016 it’s annoying being overtaken by them , but it brings more money to the sport in the form of R&D so ultimately we all win. Plus with cost of uplift skyrocketing at the moment it’s an investment to save a bit of cash in long run if they come down in price.

The biggest issue isn't riding one or not. It's our old outdated legislation. All the local trails I want to ride don't allow e-bikes :/

I liked the look of that Trek til I looked up the price. I'll continue panting away on my 9 year old Remedy 8

Reliability of the motors is the biggest issue for me.

I don't have the time to build up the stamina for analog and want to enjoy a full day on a bike in the bikepark and want to learn jumping and so much other things. I am 47 and got a fullpower 26kg alloy bike. I thought it would not make a difference on what bike I learn, since I am a mtb beginner. This little more effort compared to a mid or light to move it around is negligable in my eyes... And if I drive my anaolg Canyon I have the benefit of being used to a heavy bike.... MX guys have bikes with 70 or more kg, and weigh themselves not more that 60 or 70 kg....

What about going from full power e bike to mid assist? How much does it suck? Lol