Who's Edward and who's Jacob

@Odin69

2 жыл бұрын

Two of the greatest fictional characters ever written with the best dynamic ever seen

@joshuapena4684

2 жыл бұрын

@@Odin69 you're being sarcastic right?

@joshuapena4684

2 жыл бұрын

@@Odin69 also, I meant which is which

@Odin69

2 жыл бұрын

Jacob is the one that turned into the wolf

@Princekumar-kx9zi

2 жыл бұрын

If Armin and hange really claim what eren was doing wrong and if they believe they can talk out with rest of the World for peace then why not talk with your own people like yeagrist and people of paradise but , they never try instead of try they just accept we have to kill every member of yeagrist to stop rumbling to me they are doing the exact same thing like eren and rest of world so how can we believe the the alliance and scout in middle of everything to me they think of ourselves to much high mighty even they save the world by stopping the rumbling they are not going to send morally good message to the reader at the end because technically they doing exact same thing like eren committing the genocide against paradise so there action are also not justified in the end .

I'm not sacrificing my friends, family, and my people for a world that hates us.

@songdaniels9960

Жыл бұрын

@T.S. OK so you'll sacrifice the whole world for your people?

@alexvaughan1013

Жыл бұрын

With the whole world in AoT being racist and wanting to nuke Paradis, any kind of 'moral grey' the series was going for goes out the window.

@songdaniels9960

Жыл бұрын

@@alexvaughan1013 it's not even the entire world, its marley

@UchihaGremory

Жыл бұрын

@Song Daniels absolutely. Genocide was gonna happen anyway. I rather be one doing it and saving my people

@songdaniels9960

Жыл бұрын

@@UchihaGremory genocide is sugar coating it. it's a mass extinction event and it is not necessary. you're just a bloodthirsty monster if you think extinction is necessary.

The entire worlds leadership declared war on Paradis even after Willy admitted that they are innocent, and people still want to defend the clown alliance. 🤡🤡🤡

@marcomarco7750

Жыл бұрын

The only clown here is you who is unable to use your two brain cells to make one of the most obvious deductions in the world, which is that there are not only Marleyan war criminals outside the walls but countless innocent people, children, babies and adults who just want to live their lives.

@nicholasleclerc1583

Жыл бұрын

What the fuck are you talking about ? He demonized *the entire fucking island;* he confused *ALL* of Paradis for an Eren Yeager whom he didn't even understand & caricaturized; what were they supposed to think ? They were not immune to propaganda !!!! And neither are you...

@deadcindrella1296

Жыл бұрын

Exactly 😡

@jaibhavani6454

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm not hating the alliance just bcoz they are the characters that i liked till season 3 especially Levi but otherwise i COMPLETELY support eren.

@JohnSmith-tt3go

Жыл бұрын

@@MrLamontCranston The Marleyans have been getting their revenge for the last 100 years in the story without a peep from Paradis. Eldian ghettos, oppression, turning Eldians into titans. Paradis doesn't even respond to Marley building a port facility to drop hostile titans off onto their island, something that Marley still presently screams about being done to them in the past. Marley's 'call to arms' against Paradis isn't about their race's past ills, it's about Paradis owning oil and Marley desiring it. The Rumbling isn't about revenge, it's about survival. The organization the Scouts observed in 4x28 were in favor of ending Eldian discrimination in the outside world and their messaging was "Paradisians are evil and should be genocided, all other Eldians have paid for their race's sins". When an organization that should be okay with your race's existence is saying that, there's no middle ground to be reached or peace to be built with the world. Marley, and by extension the rest of the world when they cheered a declaration of war against Pardis, started the Rumbling when they couldn't accept Eldian's existing outside of their ghettos.

when marley proudly declared war, ready for genocide while people where celebrating and cheering, was the moment that solidified Eren's inocence.

@Mitsu2040

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, people feel bad for the Marleyans, when these people threw parades when sending children to commit genocide themselves! I don't feel sorry for them at all.

@siegpasta

2 ай бұрын

and don't forget the first time we are introduced to marley, is literally when they are in the middle of eradicating another people 😂 it's just because isiyama decided to add this cringe of a charachter (Gaby) and make her the most annoying, fucked, cringe, bitch in the entire story. if he hadn't tried to make other charachters like that relatable noone would've cared and everyone would've been able to see clearly that Eren was in the right the whole time.

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't just lay down and die if I was a Paradisian. The Yeagerists fight for their right to exist and so that everyone that died for the sake of the Island didn't die in vain. I 100% respect that.

@shadowslayer9988

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly the people that say the Yeagerists were wrong put them in there situation where there family is in danger just cause of the history of there ancestors and see the things they will do to protect there family.

@jonathank786

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously bro I feel like thats the one view point they ignore they just wanna live same as eren rather kill others than be killed

@neloangelo7297

2 жыл бұрын

Spoiler.... . . . . . . . . . . . . . apparently levi claimed that the people in the scouts atleast didnt died in vain because isayama portrayed it as if they are all in alliance side. levi be like: sasageyo guys, we killed eren, this is what you dedicate your hearts to lmao!

@cris9242

2 жыл бұрын

Ok so the right to exist is only valid for those who are inside the island? What a hypocritical bullshit, dude.

@jdent4544

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadowslayer9988 people these days say the Yeagerist are facist and extremist. But we see them as patriots. The world gave paradis no other options and the Cringevengers did nothing to protect the island being absolute terrorist and war criminals to paradis.

One thing that never made any sense about the talking option was that it ignored the reason that Marley invaded in the first place. In the flashback chapter, Armin was opposed to having to use the rumbling at all and merely wanted to talk to Marley and the rest of the world. He thought if they could convince the world that they just wanted peace, then they could resolve their conflict. Here's the thing though: Paradis had been peaceful for a century, and Marley still attacked them. In Grisha's backstory, it's revealed that advancing military technology was making the Power of the Titans less and less useful. In the future, military power would be determined by machines (powered by fuel). So, Marley then set its eyes on Paradis because it had massive fossil fuel deposits. So, Marley didn't care if Paradis wanted peace. They just wanted the island's resources for themselves so they could maintain their status as a superpower, and so they were never going to stop until the island was under their control.

@ostrichfm3244

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad someone actually called out marley. Bc even after finishing the story, I still really think about 2 things really hardly. 1, Marley are hypocrites; they talk about how the "devilish race" used the power of titans to destroy their home but they themselves are actively colonising other countries using that power. 2, it's been centuries since the walls were built. If the founder wanted to start the rumbling, he would've by now. For me personally, all Marley did was provoke paradise by breaking down their wall. They force eren's hand. Anyone can say anything about the yagerists but, at the end of the day if you had to choose between your loved ones and strangers, you would pick your loved ones anytime.

@amoungus7895

Жыл бұрын

@@ostrichfm3244 exactly bro. I’m not a jeagerist because I’m bloodthirsty for vengeance or I meatride eren. I just believe that Eren had no other choice considering the time and circumstances. If he wanted to save paradis the rumbling it is. (Actually I’m kinda personally sadistic as well and maybe enjoy seeing marleyans die but I’m mainly a jeagerist for an actual reason with logic and not some bloodthirsty emotions. Logic > emotions.)

@unrepentantjaegerist7236

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU!!!Finally someone with a fucking brain!

@Left_Shoulder

Жыл бұрын

even if marley could not be reasonned with the rest of the world could eren could have atleast tried to reason with the rest of the world or marley but he did not

@nicholasleclerc1583

Жыл бұрын

First of all, they didn't even fucking KNOW that anyone else was outside the walls, for over a century; what kind of "peace declaration" were they supposed to communicate, exactly, you fucking moron ? It's because of this hundred years of *RADICAL* self-isolation that corrupted the outside World's perception & perspective of the nation, & made them complacent Second of all, Paradis could start using that fucking fuel for themselves, as leverage & a natural advantage; again, you fucking moron

Here's the thing: The problem w/ the 50 year plan is that it was based on the idea that the partial Rumbling would be enough of a deterrent against the world attacking Paradis. However, this isn't guaranteed. As Floch correctly points out, if you destroy only part of the world w/ the Rumbling, the rest of the world will take vengeance on Paradis. And w/ the way technology and anti-titan weaponry was advancing, it was only a matter of time until even the full Rumbling wasn't enough of a deterrent against attack. Zeke's euthanasia plan has the same flaw. It was based on the idea that the fact that Eldians would die anyway would deter the world from killing them all off. But again, this wasn't guaranteed. Jean correctly points out that the entire population of Paradis would be old people within 60-70 years, so what's going to stop the world from just attacking them then? And using a partial Rumbling has the same problem as the 50 year plan. The tragic reality is this: What Eren's doing is the best option for the people of Paradis. It's just horrifying.

@terrencemoldern2756

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@romhacher5160

Жыл бұрын

Yea I remember flock saying that but no one believes me when I bring it up, could you tell me the ep when that happened if you remember?

@BenMedia7

Жыл бұрын

@@romhacher5160 It was the episode where the Alliance is trying to steal the ship. Floch mentions it in order to rally the Yeagerists to keep fighting.

@romhacher5160

Жыл бұрын

@@BenMedia7 thanks I appreciate it

@krdctheknight5080

Жыл бұрын

YES😊

Marley is a hypocrite with their "Eldians are evil" meanwhile using Eldians as weapons

@Matty_B0y

2 жыл бұрын

All for their own power over the rest of the World. The whole point of attacking Paradis wasn't because of the Rumbling threat, it was the oil rich reserves underneath Paradis that would ensure Marleys power. They used the threat of the Rumbling as an excuse the wipe out Paradis so they could maintain their power...

@JarenLemon

2 жыл бұрын

@@Matty_B0y Also wasn't their whole mission for Marley to gain the Founding Titan and use the rumbling anyways to conquer the remaining lands to expand their Marlian Empire? Like Marley was gonna do it first, and now when the tables are turned we're supposed to be against Eren?

@Matty_B0y

2 жыл бұрын

@@JarenLemon It’s been a good while since I read/seen the Anime etc, but if I remember correctly, taking the Founding Titan was “phase 1” of Marley’s ultimate goal. Marley wanted the oil reserves to fuel their military power as the rest of world was creating weapons to actively fight against Titan power. So having the Founder would do 2 things for Marley, 1, it would stop the Rumbling when Marley invaded Paradis for it’s oil reserves, and 2, it would also give them a “Trump Card” against the rest of the world should they have another uprising etc…

@centurymemes1208

2 жыл бұрын

@@Matty_B0y magath said the era of titans is over almost and the only way for them to still rule against other nations is through the founder. and resources in paradis is 2nd option

Jean once said that none of this wouldn’t have happened if they wouldn’t have broken down the walls and have eren’s mom eaten by a titan. Jean was right in that scene and he understood eren more than his so called best friends armin and mikasa.

@joshuapena4684

2 жыл бұрын

Mikasa and Armin have got to be the biggest concussion causing headache inducing characters ik rn

@kairevenge9041

2 жыл бұрын

Nah grisha still would have passed the founder and attack titan to eren and he would have learned everything from past memories and see a future of himself doing sum

@greasenob4821

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuapena4684 fr bruh they just do a U-turn and destroy their own island

@skaloniannoob601

2 жыл бұрын

@@kairevenge9041 grisha got the attack titan because all of them share memory, you clearly see at the end s3 that kruger was waiting all those years to give the attack titan to grisha to have eren have it because they broke the wall, in snk futur have impact on the past so maybe if they didn't broke the wall eren didn't need to go as far so the attack titan might have take a different path

@kairevenge9041

2 жыл бұрын

@@skaloniannoob601 doubt it eren would have stepped on the world either way

Imagine: you are in an indigenous culture never heard of Marley or titans, then Eren shows up

@briancockerham4731

Жыл бұрын

give back money and land to the indigenous of the americas.. you european devil

[Spoilers] I saw many people who read the manga of aot who were on the alliance side, and when they saw the ending, Paradis were bombed by the whole world even though they can't turn into titans anymore. And when they saw that, they said, "I wish Eren just finished off the whole world if I knew that would happen."

@marcoslopez127

Жыл бұрын

Anyone on the Alliance side is an idiot. Full stop

@levia9349

Жыл бұрын

I mean they were bombed because of the rumbling Eren killed 80% of humanity.

@vivekjha8473

Жыл бұрын

@@levia9349 declaration of war season 4 episode 5

@benaffblack

Жыл бұрын

Wow imagine getting the entire ending completely wrong.

@waterok.6909

Жыл бұрын

@@levia9349 A lot of people (mostly marleyans) still hated the Eldians. Rumbling was necessary as Paradis was going to get wiped off the face of the Earth if not

Mikasa:"There's only so many lives I can give a damn about."

@maxigoyeneche6588

8 ай бұрын

Mikasa should have been j Yaegerist I am an eremika shipper but I do support eren that’s what her should have done

Both the ways are right , but eren really sacrificed everything , he sacrificed himself , his parents , his happiness , his humanity just for his friends and for eldians and still they oppose him , that really sucks.

@rosegiogio9255

2 жыл бұрын

Cuz they are his friends, why wouldn’t they try look for a different alternative where they can avoid the deaths of millions plus their best friend. Also most of it wasn’t revealed to them until the very end. And finally, Eren sacrifice everything because that’s his will, it still doesn’t mean you can reject that choice

@Ismael-kc3ry

2 жыл бұрын

Okay first of all he wanted them to stop him, secondly he also scarified the lives of billions of *other people* as well. Being a tragic character doesn’t make you right.

@jalen2287

Жыл бұрын

No spoilers. His sacrifices will hurt even more when you see what happens in the end.

@jalen2287

Жыл бұрын

@@Ismael-kc3ry LMAO. Paradis was bombed either way after 100 years of the rumbling even though the Eldians don't have the ability to turn into titans anymore and when the people who saved the people from Eren were all Eldians. The genocide of Paradis still happened, it was just delayed for 100 years. Remember that Willy fired up the whole world to wage war against Paradis and before that, the rest of the world don't even want to have any peace talks with the Island Eldians.

@Ismael-kc3ry

Жыл бұрын

@@jalen2287 okay and?

"I rather betray the world rather than let the world betray me"- Cao Cao

Do the alliance really think that the people of world would just forgive the paradise if they try to save the rumbling ?

@dovahkiin2206

2 жыл бұрын

That's naive thinking

@VergilEdits

2 жыл бұрын

@@dovahkiin2206 it's not

@dovahkiin2206

2 жыл бұрын

@@VergilEdits no, I mean I'm agreeing with you. What the alliance is thinking is naive thinking

@VergilEdits

2 жыл бұрын

@@dovahkiin2206 oh I'm really sorry if i sounded rude. I thought about it and the rumbling was the only way cause 1 : Eldians cannot coexist with the world 2 : the outside world really hates paradise and want them dead 3 : talking wouldn't help them 4 : wouldn't the remaining of the world hate paradise even more after the rumbling ?? 5 : Floch and the yeagerist were out of options, they wanted to keep their friends and families safe

@dovahkiin2206

2 жыл бұрын

@@VergilEdits yep you're right. There's no way people will accept the alliance, especially since they're partly the reason the rumbling started (not literally, but they don't know that)

I am 100% on the side of the Yeagerists. The world would never allow the people of Paradis alone. The fact that, in the last chapter, we see planes bombing the island somewhere in the future clearly shows that the 20% of the world's population that survived the Rumbling eventually grew strong enough to attack Paradis. And the fact that the city that was bombed was never rebuilt heavily implies that the war ended badly for Paradis. Future generations of Paradis had to suffer because they stopped Eren.

@Matty_B0y

2 жыл бұрын

Thats a really ambiguous time skip, in truth we can only spectulate how long, but educated guesses put it as 100, or maybe 150 years later. Meaning, Erens immediate friends, Mikasa, Armin etc would have all most likely died of old age, before Paradis was ultimately wiped out by the world.

@prestongarvey57

2 жыл бұрын

@@Matty_B0y Eren wants to save all of Paradis and the rest of the world is already launched their counter attack

@nerevarchthn6860

2 жыл бұрын

@@prestongarvey57 and they rightfully do so

@Ismael-kc3ry

2 жыл бұрын

And roughly 2 billion people had to die because they didn’t kill Eren sooner as they should have.

@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi

2 жыл бұрын

@@Matty_B0y Isayama confirmed the conflict never went away, and its implied that it was still the alliance's lifetime

I feel like if I was in Paradis' Situation, I would have no empathy for the outside world, and after all, Why would I? They did absolutely nothing but spend their time torturing your race, and trying to commit genocide on your friends, family, and neighbors, Also Mikasa and Armin aren't necessarily killing Eren to save the world, They're killing him to save his soul, because they don't want him to have to bear the burden of having destroyed the world.

@madzadz0247

Жыл бұрын

The outside world had innocent people who had nothing to do with Eldians or had any intent to harm Eldians. And yes Mikasa and Armin are killing Eren to save the world because they don’t believe in mass genocide even if it is to save Paradis.

@sevonsounds9663

Жыл бұрын

The people of paradis were completely innocent of any wrongdoing, so why do they have to die while everyone treats them live they are the evil ones?

@CABRALFAN27

Жыл бұрын

@@sevonsounds9663 They shouldn't, any more than the innocent people of the outside world should have to die for what their governments may or may not hae done. That's why I support the idea of a partial Rumbling to destroy the rest of the world's militaries, and then forcing nations like Marley to dismantle themselves. They're implied to be vast, multi-ethnic empires, so if those ethnicities are liberated by Paradis, they'd then have mainland allies, and they'd be the only ones allowed to openly remilitarize.

@sevonsounds9663

Жыл бұрын

@@CABRALFAN27 the rest of the world including Marley saw paradis as evil, they mentioned that eldians are treated worse than in Marley, sounds like the whole world is an enemy so a partial rumbling doesn’t solve the problem as we see in the manga that paradis is bombed way later anyway

@CABRALFAN27

Жыл бұрын

​@@sevonsounds9663 It doesn't sound like the rest of the world is an enemy when you stop looking at nations and start looking at people. Kiyomi, Onyankopon, a significant part of the anti-Marley volunteers, and that's just the adults. There are also children, some of whom aren't even old enough to have a concept of what Paradis is. And it's not like we aren't meant to be thinking of them, either; Why else would Isayama have put so much emphasis on Halil and Ramzi, or that baby being pushed off a cliff? My point is, you can destroy the nations of the world without literally genociding everyone who lives within them. Assuming it was even the outside world that bombed Paradis, that wouldn't have happened if they'd had the threat of continuing the Rumbling to fall back on, not to mention other allies like I mentioned in my comment.

King Floch did what he had to do and so did Eren.

@Nawafmilfi

9 ай бұрын

King floch have erwin soul

@willisstillhere8846

8 ай бұрын

And that's why he and Eren died and Paradis still got destroyed

@silentnight3192

8 ай бұрын

@@willisstillhere8846 I really wished the OG ending where Eren wins, was the final and canon one....

@randomusername3873

7 ай бұрын

No eren was a moron in the end Complete character assassination Is weird how floch was the character that made the most sense, wtf

@seribelz

19 күн бұрын

He was right, but he was becoming a tyrant, trying to control with fear

I remember when Brownsmagic said it best . They’re okay with coming and destroying Paradis , but it ain’t so fun when the rabbit got the gun ✌🏾👌🏾

@thalmoragent9344

2 жыл бұрын

Considering one is Island Genocide and the other is Global Extinction... I understand why some fans aren't ok with the Rumbling

@boppinboyz

2 жыл бұрын

@@thalmoragent9344 doesn’t matter the scale. You support genocide either way

@anthonygarza4653

2 жыл бұрын

@@thalmoragent9344 To be fair, some fans have a very childish sense of morality that only sees things as black and white. Murder is murder, but killing isn't always murder. It depends on the context. Genocide is genocide, but there is a distinct difference between a genocide for the purposes of getting natural resources and ruling the world (Marley) and a genocide for defense against the aforementioned genocide (Paradis). You wouldn't believe the number of times I have had to explain the Social Contract theory, Common Sense by Thomas Paine, and being under duress and what that entails only to be ignored by them saying, "Genocide is still wrong," essentially repeating the same argument without room for debate or even offering up other moral theories in return. I find it odd that most people seem to default to a utilitarian point of view, where the numbers matter more than the people themselves. I'm assuming that most people here come from countries like the USA or the UK, so you would think that given the history of our enemies throughout time that they wouldn't use that as their reasoning. Degradation of society and all that, I guess.

@thalmoragent9344

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonygarza4653 True, but when Eren goes after places that didn't declare war against Paradis, or in the case of Hizuru, was allied with Paradis (as well as the Eldian ancestors in the Old Eldian Empire) you realize it's not even straight forward. The concept is the same so, if both sides are fighting for survival, look at the consequences. Eren wins? That's 90% of the world's Ecosystems and species wiped out.... if Marley wins? A single island is destroyed, as is the existence of Titans. Even Eren himself in the Manga realized this comparison, so it's not like Isayama hasn't portrayed this train of thought as well. So while I agree with you that many only see the Rumbling as Black and White despite all the gray involved, I also understand that there are still those that don't but still default to that "Utilitarian view" So, reasons aside, if one was only told who was fighting who, what would they choose? A Island sized Genocide, or a Global Extinction Event? 🤔 Cause only reason I understand and can sympathize with Eren even as he's Rumbling is because he's doing it to save his people, so obviously he's not doing it cause he wants too, but so many fans are rooting for Eren without understanding the weight of everything. The fact Eren feels more upset about the Genocide of the world than some of his supposedly "loyal fans" says a lot. At least the Warriors are fighting for their own folks and the people/world they know of, even if much of it hated them, cause they're not gonna have good lives at the hands of the Yeagerists either on Paradis, and even Jean despite being a empathetic guy still sees that it was either Paradis or everyone else. Still, the Scouts, particularly Hange all fighting and killing their comrades was messed up to see, particularly Mikasa's spree. I mean, even the Warriors had more remorse than she did when they were fighting the Scouts, and it's made me hate the Paradisian Alliance Members more than anyone else at this moment. (That said, glad to have an intellectual conversation with someone on the Rumbling, its refreshing that there's those of us who can dive deeper into this without devolving into basic arguments.)

@anthonygarza4653

2 жыл бұрын

@@thalmoragent9344 Agreed in that regard, though I would like to mention that Hizuru shouldn't be regarded as a true ally of Paradis. It was mentioned multiple times that they were there only to exploit Paradis. Help from them was contingent on Paradis remaining the Island of Devils to the world and they wouldn't help with forming trade relations (which of course would improve normal relations). A big problem of deciding what is right and what is wrong in this show is that we simply do not know about the different countries and their cultures. Based on their actions, we can say that the leading government of Hizuru are greedy people, but that obviously doesn't extend to the people of Hizuru, or at least every person. This was made clear during the Falco, Gabi, and Kaya scene at Kaya's old house. That makes it hard to determine the actual number of "innocents" that would be killed. My only argument that doesn't hold much weight against the destroyed ecosystems is that the Founder has some semblance of power of biology. Yet again there is no actual evidence to support it, but I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility to grow a lot of that life back using the Founder (imagine growing a whole deer from a Colossal Titan's foot). The way I saw Mikasa's killing spree is that she purposely went as hard as she did to scare the rest off; supported by when she didn't chase the fleeing Jaegerists. It's hard to see if she had any remorse or not as she has already hidden her emotions very well. However, even if she had remorse for it, she clearly had no hesitation to start killing. The same goes for the rest of them. Daz hesitated to shoot Armin who wasn't even his best friend yet was someone he cared for, but the moment Conny got the gun from Samuel he instantly used it to kill Daz. To me, it felt like Daz had more humanity in him than Connie. I agree with your dislike of the Paradisan part of the alliance. Most of all, I dislike Hange. She never gave a good answer to the problem and wasted time by idling, yet complains when someone does provide an answer, i.e., the worst type of person to work with on a team project. Even more so, once it became easier and more beneficial to do so, she started to hide information from the public and stopped letting them decide the course of their life. In short, she started to take their freedoms away just like the old regime.

Leaving spoilers out of it and future eren out of it, let me put it very simple. If a mob decided to slaughter my mother for simply existing and having some history regarding that mob, in which her ancestors killed or enslaved a bunch of people, that mob wouldn't have any right to attack my mother. I personally wouldn't hesitate to use a rocket launcher to deal with the entire group, because there is no middle ground or time to think etc. They chose violence because of history, same goes for eren and his soldiers. The world chose violence and were the ones to declare war on them. It is completely irrelevant what's ethically correct or wrong here, what matters is what you decide on at the end of the day. There are other franchises like halo, in which genocide is just another tuesday

@tlotlosethapelo7954

2 жыл бұрын

the problem is eren did not just go after the mob he went for the mobs loved ones too and children of the mob anyone slightly related to the mob regardless if they had anything to do with the mob's actions

@xJinxKazama

2 жыл бұрын

@@tlotlosethapelo7954 eren's answer is absolute freedom of oppression and any possibility of a future conflict. He doesn't leave anything to chance.

@anthonygarza4653

2 жыл бұрын

@@tlotlosethapelo7954 Problem is, he didn't go after the innocents; the innocents are intermingled with the mob. Usage of the rocket launcher will result in their deaths too. It's not like the innocents are clearly separated in their own distinct zone. In that take, is it still wrong to defend your loved ones? It's not like you have a high precision weapon to take out only the mob, only a rocket launcher. I personally believe it isn't wrong, but it aint right either. That's life for ya.

@tlotlosethapelo7954

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonygarza4653 I don't have a problem with defending paradis and I understand why he used the rumbling I don't agree with it cause the sacrificing historia option was available which most ppl agree was the best option am not saying sit aside and watch everyone die but the historia one gave them time to think of a way to survive the situation

@xJinxKazama

2 жыл бұрын

@@tlotlosethapelo7954 that still means live like livestock. Eren might have lied to mikasa regarding his hatred towards her, however, his comments regarding living like kettle were honest. He mixed truth and a lie together to make his lie believable. You're essentially asking eren to assassinate his own character. In the conversation he had with historia he made it clear that he'd slaughter the military police, if they forced historia to become a titan.

My problem with the ending is that this was the clearest cut kill or be killed situation I have EVER seen in media. It's genocide of the people of Paradi vs genocide of the rest of the world. Eren chose his home and his friends/family which I can stand with because it's me and my own before anyone else. Hell! It's my loved ones before me most times. I said it before and I'll say it again, the world wanted a war and they lost.

@adem34hz58

Жыл бұрын

no need for genocide. Pretty easy to dismantle Marley without killing billions of innocent

@randomusername3873

Жыл бұрын

​@@adem34hz58 dismantle Marley, and then watch all the other nation that are at war against you come and destroy you Wait some time and the rumbling isn't even relevant anymore since the technological advancement Then what

@adem34hz58

Жыл бұрын

@@randomusername3873 Destory all the military and government bases around the world lmao. cmon man

@aniverse_574

9 ай бұрын

True

@horrorfan117

7 ай бұрын

Ramzi sure looked like he wanted to go to war with Paradi.

The lesson I learned from this as what Isayama also wanted to portray, comes from his favorite visual novel Muv Luv Alternative . This is a quote from Meiya (best girl): While our main objective may be the same… with differing values come differing methodologies

The yeagerist are right, the only thing that's wrong is the way the marleyans thought it was ok to subjugate Eldian people and force them to become warriors who kill their own people on paradise. Also planes go brrrr with bombs and titans can't do anything.

@nerevarchthn6860

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao inagine getting enslaved and oppressed and enslaved for 2000 years and now people are hating you because you are mad about that

@joshuapena4684

2 жыл бұрын

@@nerevarchthn6860 Exactly the point. Some people are just peace loving pussies who are too much of a fucking child to see the wicked ways of our world

@basmeenkaur7312

Жыл бұрын

​@@nerevarchthn6860 Are those eldians responsible for royal government's crimes?

@nerevarchthn6860

Жыл бұрын

@@basmeenkaur7312 they are

@basmeenkaur7312

Жыл бұрын

@@nerevarchthn6860 No

W take cause alliance defenders to me makes no other point than “genocide is wrong” and that’s it. I’ve made points and arguments that are true cause it’s in the story, but all I get is headcannon and being called a fascist. In my opinion the reason it’s alot of alliance defenders cause the ending makes eremika canon.

@SuperXrayDoc

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter what they say in the end paradis got nuked and floch was right, 100% was the only way

@t-ro6176

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperXrayDoc I agree that’s why the alliance is so hypocritical, everything the alliance did made no sense cause paradise got destroyed.

@timsaylor4390

2 жыл бұрын

most eremika fans are dumb teens. For them, AoT is baby's first ship and edgy anime. They don't care about the story and greater themes, only fan art and fan fiction and doujinshi crap, or because they think its "adult" without actually contemplating what makes things adult.

@cris9242

2 жыл бұрын

"Genocide is wrong" is a mildly valid point, man

@mordecaimayne8789

2 жыл бұрын

@@cris9242 You are right , but the story doesnt provide option. If isayama wanted to prevent this ending or draw our cast a heroes than he could have made it so that they outside world wasn't as hostile. But he did so our character are left with the dumb, moral option or the evil, drastic but successful option.

Ever since they wanted to sacrifice Historia (their own friend) to do the 50 year plan , they became the traitors and I hated the alliance for that. They’re basically doing what King Fritz did when Ymir died.

If you disagree with the Rumbling, your wife has a boyfriend confirmed

@adem34hz58

Жыл бұрын

dumbass

@marcomarco7750

Жыл бұрын

You will probably end up living alone so you don't get to talk buddy

@marcoslopez127

Жыл бұрын

I’m married lmao

@marcomarco7750

Жыл бұрын

@@marcoslopez127 To a man ?

@marcoslopez127

Жыл бұрын

Marriage is only between a man and a woman, you confused child.

I’ve always been on the side of the Yeagerists but the part that cemented my absolute HATRED for the alliance was during the port battle where Mikasa and co. butchered their former allies. Those weren’t nameless fodder that they killed. Remember that after the battle/massacre of Shiganshina the survey corps was down to barely 10 members. Everyone who joined after was inspired by their sacrifice and heroism in not only taking back Wall Maria, but also eradicating the Titan threat. Only for those very same ‘heroes’ to turncoat and condemn their own people for the sake of a world that openly despises them. At least Reiner, Bertholtd and Annie were always double agents, the alliance are betraying Paradis based entirely on a childish view of the circumstances. Fuck. The. Alliance.

@horizontalnoodlelmao4286

7 ай бұрын

Not only were the people at the port were ordered to kill the alliance but the Yeagerists killed multiple innocent people in their violent regime change Deadass Floch killed unarmed volunteers for no good reason. Volunteers that spent 3 years with our cast bettering the island

@supreme_vess75

7 ай бұрын

Facts I always say that if the roles were reversed and paradis was getting destroyed Reiner Annie pieck every single warrior would’ve let it happen I understand the alliance but I cannot support it that’s why I think im not totally for sure but the alliance except for mikasa is not welcome in paradis they’re able to visit for peace talks and everything but they live in the outside world now including Levi

@jc-1018

7 ай бұрын

Well FUCK your opinion you xenophobic genocide is justified supporter. Fuck mass murderers you probably support ISIS and the NAZIS who are just like the Yeagerists

@randomusername3873

7 ай бұрын

​@@jc-1018you realize that the only difference between yaegetists and the outside world is that the outside world had no reason for attacking Paradis in the first place, right? You people keep praising the dept of this story yet somehow have the most basic reading skills about how weird the writing of the last season even was

@misterscorpius1446

6 ай бұрын

@@randomusername3873 The outside world absolutely had a reason to attack Paradis. The official reason was just a lie that only Willy Tybur and his inner circle were privy to the truth of. (That Eren Yaeger and the people of Paradis have committed treason against the peaceful King Fritz and wish to use the Founding Titan to start the Rumbling) The real reason was to establish peace between Marley and the rest of the world and for Marley to be able to have the natural resource to catch up technologically after relying for so long on titans. Also because they had intel suggesting that they were already infilitrated by the Paradis Eldians and because the Eldians could've started the Rumbling. That said, calling Willy Tybur and his crew "the outside world" goes crazy. Most people don't know Willy Tybur's official reason even, and those who think about Paradis at all think that King Fritz has been a scorned loser waiting any second now to pull the trigger and start the Rumbling for the last 100 years. Most don't think about Paradis, beyond Marley using Eldians to kill them as they have been doing for the past 100 years. In fact, Marley itself and Paradis are the only places that have been free from the violence of Titans ever. Everywhere else have been constantly attacked by Eldians for 2000 years.

The 50 year plan doesn't work, its nearly identical to what King Fritz did, 'Leave me alone or else', the Rumbling is my choice for this dilemma

Floch: if eren dies paradis, will sink into a sea of blood. The world will take vengeance on us. You know what happened in the last chapter paradis destroyed because eren die.

Both were right. Both options would end the cycle of hate but the yaegarists likely chose the rumbling because they were fighting for their life and the alliance because genocide seemed inherently worse and possibly the scouts didn’t want the innocent people in the rest of the world to experience what they experienced when Marley breached the walls

What everyone doesnt get is, it has been imbedded into the worlds mind that paradis is an island of devils, this includes your everyday civilians and kids. There would be no way to target only the militart outposts and expect that the family of the worlds soldiers would accept peace, violence only beget violence. This all started because marley wanted paradis resources and discreetly attacked, the whole chain of events can be traced back to them. Eren wanted peace by going to marley alone to learn, to adapt to better negotiate, but once he was there he saw how eldians was treated, how the normal populace saw the eldians and he knew there is no way it would end peacefully. For everyone who says eren is wrong, you are condemning your family, friends and your fellow citizens to an eventual war and annihilation of paradis. He took the only option that was left to him, if only he had seen it through to the very end. Destroy everything, to rebuild to where there is no history or memory of Eldians as devils.

the alliance try to be the heroes while ignoring the fact that by saving the world they doomed themselves and their nation eren never wanted this he was forced to do it by the racist world he lives in now of course on the bigger picture eren is a bad person but you gotta ask yourself if you were in his place would you have the guts to sacrifice you friends family and nation?

For the people who say if you support the yeagerists you support genocide ok if you support the alliance you also support genocide let that sink in good video man 👍

@cris9242

2 жыл бұрын

Guaranteed genocide of billions of people VS hypothetical genocide of a few thousand. The situation does not seem balanced to me.

@JoseRamirez-ew7vq

2 жыл бұрын

@@cris9242 If it came down between my race and everyone else, my race is staying. Simple as that

@cris9242

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoseRamirez-ew7vq What a beautiful line, did you read it on the "Main Kampf " ?

@theoldestdream27

2 жыл бұрын

@@cris9242 Everyone has a right to fight for their survival. Yeagerists did just that. World forced them to do it.

@yeetnessthegreater1298

Жыл бұрын

@@cris9242 just say you’re suicidal bruh lmfao. You rather get killed than fight back

Honestly bro in my opinion I think you’re wording the question wrong. The question shouldn’t be “would you sacrifice the world to save your friends and family or would you sacrifice your friends and family to save the world?” It should be “would you sacrifice the world to save your friends or family or would you sacrifice your friends or family to APPEASE the world?” Why do I say that? It’s simple man. All the world had to do was f*ck off and leave paradise alone. Think about it. Itachi had to deal with the first questions you asked in the video. The characters in AoT faced a different kind of dilemma. (The question I asked). If the world never made any moves towards paradise then they would’ve never had any reason to attack in the first place. The opposite can’t be said though. And without a doubt i would much rather sacrifice the world to save my friends and family than let ourselves be the sacrificed ones just to appease a wrong world

@creeperkingdom3190

2 жыл бұрын

facts

@matcauthon5889

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not just to appease them, yeah it’s mainly Marley's fault that the rumbling happened, but that doesn’t change the fact that their lives are in danger. You also said that if the world never made any moves against Paradis then it wouldn’t have happened, but it goes back even further than that when Eldians oppressed the Marleyans for 1900 years. If that never happened they wouldn’t have the hatred that they do for Eldians and none of it would have happened. Their not in the right for holding onto the past like that, but the fact is Eldians started it.

@yuukichan12

Жыл бұрын

@@matcauthon5889 facts

@winterlantern5695

11 ай бұрын

​@@matcauthon5889aight You people started the wars that colonized our countries. Let me g3n0c1de you aight?

@thelegacyofgaming2928

9 ай бұрын

@@matcauthon5889 You're not understanding. Even if Eldians did stuff 2000 years ago, even Willy stated for a fact that the Eldians now are literally not bothering anybody, and they STILL wanted to genocide them. They only have themselves to blame at that point, because, like OP said, they could just leave Paradis alone and everybody would live peacefully. They chose violence, and got wrecked because of it.

Are The Yeagerists Right? Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Y E S.

@quietopinion9637

11 ай бұрын

N O

@yusufenesmemis6643

2 ай бұрын

​@@quietopinion9637 they are right so Y. E. S.

@GregSmithIII

2 ай бұрын

​@@quietopinion9637 Y. E. S.

Lol it doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong. It's as Yelena says: "Can't separate violence from humanity."

@lunali7209

4 ай бұрын

but eldians are right too tho. which makes their actions even more justified

floch was right

@sageex3931

8 ай бұрын

Yep

If I were Eren then I would do the rumbling. I would sacrifice the world that hates us to save my friends and country. The reason why I would do this is because just like Eren I want my friends to live long and happy lives. There is nothing that I wouldn't do for them to reach that.

@marcomarco7750

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully you don't have friends, for the greater good.

@TheReaper-ep2cq

Жыл бұрын

@Marco Marco unfortunately for you, I do 😔

@powerjolt7215

Жыл бұрын

​@bLackstar this

@ad3l547

8 ай бұрын

Explain "Happy" for you.

in the post-credits scene, it was shown that many years had passed on Paradise and the inhabitants of the island had noticeably grown in development and lived in peace until humanity bombed the entire island and began the cycle of hatred again. That is, there was peace on Paradise until the world destroyed them. There were no conflicts on the island for centuries, until the world destroyed them. Floch was right 👑

@purpleblastoise

6 ай бұрын

Eren Yogurt failed to protect Paradis and turned into a stupid bird so Jean could plow Mikasa. lol, what a cuck!

@sageex3931

3 ай бұрын

​@@purpleblastoise and remember he forgot why he did the rumbling

one thing common with ending defenders argument is they always use civil war excuse as worse! than paradis destruction and their subjugation and genoc1ded

@thezerowulf2046

Жыл бұрын

It's not really genocide, it's globacide

Here's an option that could have saved everyone. Marley could have just made peace. They could have left the island alone. This would have solved everything.

@Mitsu2040

7 ай бұрын

Yup, if they had send peace missionaries instead of child assassins, maybe they wouldn't be in this situation!

Do people forget that the whole world declared war on an island? Eren waited before transforming at Eldia, he waited to see whether or not eldia and the world would unite against Paradis Island. And when he heard Tybers declaration of war and the whole world cheering, then eren transformed and "started" the war.

Eren still got his retribution against a nation who loved war and expansionism at the cost of innocent lives. I personally believe that Marley didn’t hate Eldia for their abuse but envy Eldia for their power and ability to create a huge empire. Only Marley’s leaders know this truth. In Castlevania Netflix, when Trevor Belmont told the people that the church was responsible for Dracula’s mission to commit genocide on humans, the people attack all the church priests and bishop. It is like what if a non eldian told the world that Marley attacking Paradis was the reason for Eren’s attempt to completely eradicate humanity outside the walls with the Rumbling.

@lunali7209

4 ай бұрын

which is also what grisha and the eldia activists in marley said. that eldians in the past didnt use their titan powers to slaughter marleyans but used their powers to uplift humanity. imo isayama should have stuck to that in the ending. it def would have made more sense

I remember seeing a video that spoke about the Rumbling, and how the nations of the world of Attack on Titan - from the long disbanded Eldian Empire to the modern nation states like Marley - having something called "A Cup of Sin" Not a religious person myself, but the guy who spoke about this talked about how the Old Eldian Empire willingly drained its cup of sin before it could overflow via the First King of the Walls choosing to disband the Old Eldian Empire and errect the 3 Walls of Paradise 100 years ago. Thus the sins of the Old Eldian Empire can no longer be used to justify the outside world's treatment of the Eldians. Both from those inside the walls who are oblivious to the truth of the world beyong their paradise prison, to the Eldians trapped in the mainland nations who murder, oppress and enslave them for the sins of their ansestors. Meanwhile modern day Marley is doubling down on all the same mistakes and sins of the Old Eldian Empire via their usage of using 7 of the 9 Titans as weapons of war and conquest. And the fact they choose Child Soldiers to inherit the Titans they are using for such wars makes it even worse. As not only have they enslaved these kids and are using them as cannon fodder and their loved ones as hostages, they've systimatically stole their childhoods from them and made many of them believe they deserved to be treated like the way they've been treated. It doesn't even help Marley's case that they still act like they're the victims of Eldian Tyranny when saide Eldian Tyranny ended over 100 years ago. They chose to perpetuate the same cycle that the First King of the Walls chose to end. They could've taken in and learned from the flaws and mistakes made by the Old Eldian Empire to build something better for themselves. Instead they chose to copy/paste everything they did. Both the good and bad things. Such as using the very Titans that the Eldians used to dominate the world in their time as weapons of war. They then procceeded to use said weapons of war to launch a unprovoked attack on a nation that has closed itself off from the outside world. A nation whose people spent the last 100 years with no history of what the outside world was like before the Walls were raised. As far as the People of Paradise knew, they were the remnants of the Human Race. Which makes this unprovoked attack even more attrocious. The people that died when the Colossal and Armored Titan broke down Wall Rose didn't deserve to die. The People of Paradise do not deserve to suffer and be slaughtered for the crimes of an Empire they no longer have any written memories or stories of. Everything Marley did to Paradise was no holds bar unjustifiable. And their decision to double down and seek to mobilize the entire world into joining them on wiping out Paradise Island only sealed their fate when Eren Yeager - a man who they helped create - returned all that hatred and bloodlust back to them ten fold.

Excellent video. Some great points!

Could it have been possible to cause a civil war on Alliance side or set up circumstances where most of the Alliance would give up and renounce the war with Paradis and Eren could of focused on military targets instead of indiscriminate civilian ones? A different stragedy with different methods?

Eren's actions are 100% justified/understandable. Personally, I am with the Yaegerists because I've grown up watching the Scouts and Paradis making an effort to fight titans, who we find out are Marleyans. The main problem I have with the Alliance is that Mikasa, Armin, and Jean, who apparently really cared for Eren just turn on him because Genocide is wrong, which I do agree but they should realize why he's doing it? That's what I don't get. If I was in their position, i'd most probably side with the person who is willing to protect me and my friends and family. I might be seeing this wrong, but idk. Anyways good video mate.

@VergilEdits

2 жыл бұрын

Manga spoilers After they stopped eren, how are they so sure that the world won't hate them or attack the paradise again ?

@hossainmohammodtoufiq9002

2 жыл бұрын

@@VergilEdits read the extra pages of the manga Spoiler: The rest of the world forms an alliance and Paradis gets destroyed

@Matty_B0y

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is, Eren didn't actually want to use the Rumbling. So when he and rest of the Survey Corps travelled to Marley, they went desperately hoping that a slim chance for peace was possible between Paradis and the World. But of course the world of AOT is cruel, and while they were on the dock, Eren saw just how much Marley hated Eldians and it wasn't just the military, but normal everyday Marleyans too, and acccording to other world building dialogue, the rest of the world had a far less view of Eldians too, going so far as to be barbaric with inncoent Eldians. Lets also not forget it was Marley & the World who declared War on Paradis first. Eren had no other option, it was either attack first and wipe out the world or wait until the world wiped out Paradis. Eren played the only hand he was dealt with.

@THEDIVISIONbythedivisionbell

2 жыл бұрын

@@hossainmohammodtoufiq9002 yeah... after more than a century. Considering how twisted AoT world was, more than a century of peace sounds like a victory to me

@cris9242

2 жыл бұрын

They are fully aware of the reasons and they also talk about it. But what does it mean? You can understand a person's motives, but you absolutely disagree. I personally would rather die than live the rest of my life knowing that billions of people have died for my safety. It's too much. I would prefer to fight with all my strength to find another solution. They are very intimate and personal motivations, yours is a completely subjective speech.

TL;DR To genocide? Or get genocided? The needs of the many vs the needs of the few but you're the few basically

I honestly dont undertsnd why hange wants to stop eren so bad. Thr whole world literally hates their island

@tagsan3834

Жыл бұрын

None of that justifies killing innocent people

@jyotirani8187

Жыл бұрын

@tagsan ok, it isn't justified. Tell us your plan then. What do you want eldians to do? Lay down their arms and die? When war is declared, throw your morals out the window and prepare to kill. That's the only way to protect those you love.

@Akxyyy

Жыл бұрын

@@tagsan3834 It also not justifies to kill eldian people on the island. And sending eldians in mainland in ghettos or being turned in a titan.

@n1kk10ch1r

Жыл бұрын

​@@Akxyyyso, you are type of person that agrees with nakam. The organization that sought to kill six million german in vengeance for The Holocaust. Also Jeagerists were literally spouting Lebensraum. You know what? Israel should genocide the world according to logic of jeagerists defenders because every country has antisemitism even in countries with no Jewish population. Should we all including you and your loved ones, every people you know, every innocent children and people should die for sins of the father? Are you okay with that?

@Sinx-Ce

11 ай бұрын

Bruhhhh if you don't want eldians to die you also don't want marleyans to die

The Yeagerist vs Alliance debate just reminds me of the Stormcloack vs Imperial argument from Skyrim. People already chose a side and nothing will change their viewpoints. Instead, people will either justify their beliefs, insult the other side, or just side with their favorite characters. This is just another silly debate and I’m all for it.

I like this video as someone who loves the ending.. and I think discussions bridging from this is how both sides can see another point of view. One thing I'd say is I think Isayama purposely wrote himself "into this corner" as you mention, because he wants to portray the grim reality of the world and of humans. It's not black and white as we like may like to think, and striving for a better solution than to further the cycle of hatred is what he depicts as the ideal solution, even though it doesn't always work (hence the extra pages). He shows us that two things are fundamental to humanity, the first being that we will always be in conflict with our differences fueling that, and the second being that we will also always strive to find a solution to that based in empathy and understanding.

Genocide is morally wrong, but the rumbling is justified, the world is trying the kill the people of Paradis, so Eren is going to give them what they deserve.

@assasinsjeff

2 жыл бұрын

Genocide is FUCKIN EVIL. Marley wanted to Genocide Eldia. Eren just said "not happening". Or did he?!? Inserts chapter 139

@commanderscimitar1353

2 жыл бұрын

@@assasinsjeff Chapter 139 is so stupid

@merciless9110

2 жыл бұрын

@@commanderscimitar1353 yeah fuck those bastard children

@GregSmithIII

2 ай бұрын

​@@assasinsjeff Shut up

I don't think people remember that the 50 year plan wouldn't even work because zeke never intended on giving up his plan.

Who cares about "right or wrong"? The options are "live or die", the Yeagerists are for "live", so I'm with them. If the Yeagerists are wrong, then I don't want to be right!

In my opinion, more than genocide, Isayama show us how real wars are, how a lot of soldiers must face those decisions single day

If it really was down to just those two choices, I don't know what I'd do, but I don't think it is that binary, and at the very least, I don't think it's bad writing for some characters to want to try and find a third option. It makes sense that the pre-Shiganshina scouts, who all signed up to fight monsters in defense of humanity, wouldn't be eager to turn their weapons on their fellow humans, and it makes perfect sense that the post-Shiganshina Scouts, who learned as kids that there is humanity outside the walls and they want to destroy them, wouldn't care as much about destroying them right back. As an internationalist, in a vaccuum, I'm of course inclined to side with the group that sees and values people as people regardless of nationality or ethnicity, but I'll admit, it gets a lot more complicated when it comes to a question of family. Accordingly, I like that Jean, who, aside from being the closest thing to an "everyman" in the cast, is also the only one to have (Non-Titanized) family on Paradis, is also the one who comes the closest to properly joining the Jaegerists. I could easily see myself having the same dilemma in his shoes, and frankly, I have no idea what I'd do. That's how I know Isayama created a compelling moral quandry.

Here's a question that alliance supporters need to answer. What right do the Marleyans have to exterminate the Eldians? No one outside the royal court on the island ever knew about the rest of the world. Marley could have made peace, but decided to build their own empire instead. They act as if they're completely justified in using the titans, and demonize the eldians for using those same powers. If they had left the Eldians alone, and didn't abuse the rest of the world in the same manner that they accuse the eldian of doing, this situation wouldn't have happened.

@sageex3931

8 ай бұрын

Yep

@marocainforlife

22 күн бұрын

Marley doesn't have the right and neither did Eren. The thing with the cycle of violence is that the one with the biggest gun is always responsible for ending the cycle or not. King fritz had it but couldn't end it, Marley had it but couldn't end it and then finally Eren had it but he also couldn't end it.

@joshuasepeda3289

22 күн бұрын

@marocainforlife Eren was fighting in self-defense. That is a very different reason than fighting just out of hatred. Marley spent 100 years persecuting Eldians. Then it backfired when they sent the Titan Warriors. Eren has every right to defend his friends, his life, and his home. Marley had 100 years to stop the persecution. They chose violence, and here are the consequences. You are not the victim when you start the fight.

@marocainforlife

22 күн бұрын

@@joshuasepeda3289 no one was fighting out of hatred. Marley started their plan of invasion of Paradis for the ressources and the power of the founding Titan. Eldia had 2000 years to stop their persecution and they only did it 100 years ago, and yet they had to be forced into it by the king while at the same time he held the world at gunpoint. Eren's rumbling stopped being self-defence when he purposely decided to massacre everyone outside of Paradis (involved in the attack of Paradis or not) after instigating them. Inb4 he attacked only after Willy declared war. No. Zeke orchestrated the declaration as part of his fake 50 years plan and Eren knowingly followed along. Before he ever even set foot on Marley he already planned on rumbling everyone. Talking about who started the fight is stupid because technically the Eldians started it first.

@joshuasepeda3289

21 күн бұрын

@marocainforlife You clearly didn't watch the series. Marley had made peace with the Eldians and then proceeded to persecute the Eldians for the next century. This was done out of hatred. They also started many different wars with other nations and used the Eldians as disposable soldiers. This was done out of hatred. Their so-called reasons for invading were nothing but poor excuses. Everything Marley did to the Eldians was out of hatred.

Great vid!!

@Odin69

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

There were no other options. The whole world hates the paradise and wanted to attack paradise just like willy tybur said . Words would save them

floch was right, eren was right, the yeagerists was right, paradis got destroyed, armin resulted to be the biggest hypocrite of the whole aot now !! just because of that annie, he opposed the rumbling, and now u see paradis got destroyed, those hyprocrite alliance members were wrong all the time and floch without having any abilities was able to see the future, WHAT A GOAT !!! i hope haters will understand floch in the end !! remember his words: "'IF EREN DIES, PARADIS WILL SINK IN A SEA OF BLOOD. THE ENTIRE WORLD WILL TAKE VENGEANCE ON US AND KILL YOUR PARENTS, SIBLINGS AND CHILDREN !! THEY WILL ALL BE SLAUGHTERED ! and thats what happened !

@t-ro6176

2 жыл бұрын

Facts floch>armin

@rmkyt7022

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

@dededede9257

9 ай бұрын

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I think that the best way to end this conflict in a satisfactory way for Paradise was to use a small Rumbling and obliterate Marley. From that point, Paradise will try to negotiate again with the world and, if they didn´t accept this, Eren should crush them all. It is similar to the way the United States used the atomic bombs over Japan. First, Hiroshima. If they don´t surrender, Nagasaki, etc

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there is an unfathomable amount of destruction and hate in the world, im never choosing them over those who actually care about me

Floch did nothing wrong!

@creativetv2547

2 жыл бұрын

I Agree !

@thalmoragent9344

2 жыл бұрын

He was still gonna kill the Volunteers who helped his people though...

@creeperkingdom3190

2 жыл бұрын

floch is the true hero of paradise

@thezerowulf2046

Жыл бұрын

Erwins true successor

@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356

Жыл бұрын

Gabi did nothing wrong!

It’s an anime it’s not that deep but I’m on erens side

I read a comment somewhere that Paradis could have sold the bulk of their iceburst stone to the nations of the world, and achieved peace in the process. The logic being that it would be more profitable to buy iceburst stone than to go to war with Paradis. It’s no surprise that the Paradis military didn’t think of this, but it’s perhaps a stretch that the government-which should understand politics and economics-never considered this option either.

@ACORNyMOFO

Жыл бұрын

The problem with that is they not only wanted their resources but for them to all DIE!

@user-74856

Жыл бұрын

Why would they buy from you when they can just take it by waging war against paradis genius..... Marley has the capability to win the war against paradis easily (unless someone activates the rumbling)......also no one will stop Marley from waging war against paradis because almost 90% of outside world consider them devil and would be more than happy to make the same deal of resources with Marley instead of eldians

This is basically Home Vs Humanity. Would you save your home and family, or would you protect the greater part of humanity. Arguments could be made for both. For me I’m part of home and family, but I’m not sure I would be able to go through with mass genocide. I also don’t think that I would be able to let my home and family get destroyed.

If President Zelenskyy had the opportunity to nuke the fuck out of Russia without repercussions, would he be a villain? Not remotely, that’s essentially what the rumbling is, Eren is not evil, war is, you do whatever it takes to end it.

@ACORNyMOFO

Жыл бұрын

That's a bit different because Russia doesn't want to genocide all Ukrainians.

@ShantyIrishman

Жыл бұрын

@@ACORNyMOFO Exactly, Eren is even more justified.

@ACORNyMOFO

Жыл бұрын

@@ShantyIrishman I agree. If I had to choose between my life and a hundred strangers. I'd choose me .

@Ale-dd3ek

Жыл бұрын

Are we talking about the guy who tried to bring Poland (and Nato with It ) in War? Honestly if a Rocket falls on his head I wouldn't be so sad

@derjoker9453

Жыл бұрын

Wtf

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@Odin69

2 жыл бұрын

Apex later tonight?

Isamaya You are Great Bhayya✨⚡💥

The fastest talk and the most complex yet simlle question ever😂

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@Odin69

2 жыл бұрын

:)

itachi didnt choose to kill his clan only to save the world, it was also to protect sasuke. because sasuke is more precious to him than the world.

"In the struggle of life and death, where is there a place for rules and morals" miyamoto musashi

This guy sounds like me when I'm writing a 500 word essay that's saying would you rather save the world for your friends and family or save your friends and family for the world

Eren did the right thing . Armin was so optimistic to think that if they attack a little part it won't destroy their tech to kill titans and this time whole world would attack Paradise together like what happened in future. Armin's gen lived like a hero but their future gen died due to the terrible decision . Anti Yeager were a bunch of hypocrites, who chose the people who attacked first , whom they don't know over their friend . That's why Floch was the best from hating Eren and Erwin to taking their wills , like Floch said" Our devil is our only hope" was true

Yeagerist supporters like to apply the "as long as it happens to somebody else instead of me" logic when making their arguments for the rumbling. Fact is if they were the ones on the receiving end of a rumbling their opinion would be dramatically different.

@sageex3931

3 ай бұрын

Well of course duh🤦 dummy...

“What about the innocent people that haven’t done anything” WHAT ABOUT MY INNOCENT PEOPLE????

@zer0169

6 ай бұрын

and what about both?

The rumbling is basically a trolley problem, only that the one person was dragged on the tracks by the other 5 and then shamed for pulling the lever and saving himself

@Layde36

Жыл бұрын

No it's different especially when this trolley problem involves personal problems and the fact that the one person whos your loved one whom you value more than anything than a random person who wouldn't have that same value, the rest of the 5 people in that trolley are random people whom you share zero connection with and are more willing to kill you due to you having a chance of turning into a mindless beast i.e Titans, it's quite different and many people will make the obvious choice to save their loved one than random people who will be willing to kill them in the near future, the ones who are shamed are shamed due to them risking their lives for people who in the future will be willing to kill them too,

@randomusername3873

Жыл бұрын

​@@Layde36 that's why I said that is the one person in the track to pull the lever...

@Layde36

Жыл бұрын

@@randomusername3873 i guess fair enough, tbh i do think the Rumbling is quite different in this case especially when even the person pulling the trolley will be killed if he saves those 5 people instead of the one person, if its for survival I bet almost no one will complain unless they view it as a noble act or something like that, ain't no one will be shaming others for self defense tbh

both sides are correct, im just on erens side cuz he is the protagonist and we saw from eldiia perspective. but really this question shows how great AOT is. the world is cruel, so u must fight, erens attitude is perfect reflection, he feels miserable inside because of what he KNOWS, he has to do,

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@Odin69

2 жыл бұрын

W comment

As Eren I'd probably get hold of Armin and let him send out a message to all Eldians through the powers of the founding titan: "The walls which kept us locked in like animals and separated us from the rest of humanity are gone. Go out on the streets tomorow and give the Marleyans this message: In the past you were our slaves. Yesterday you were our masters. Today you are our equals. We hope you will accept this proposal willingly. We have the means to enforce it if you don't. There are half a million colossal titans ready to defend our interests. These titans will be disposed of eventually. Until then you have no choice but to trust we won't use them against you. If we truly wanted to we would already have done so. Paradis Island has been cleared of titans and is now open for everyone to travel to and from. Please comply and let us work together from now on." If they don't comply I'd start a very limited rumbling with only a handful of titans. They would target military bases until the Marleyans accepts the terms.

imagine dying from being stepped on, lol, lmao

There's one more option. Marley is the one that declared way on paradis, not the whole world. Eren should've used the rumbling to destroy Marley alone, not genocide of the entire world. Correct me if I'm wrong

@Odin69

2 жыл бұрын

Willy Tybur is the one saying to go to war against Paradis and the other nations agree with him, the rest of the world not just Marley hates Paradis in fact in season 4 part 1 Udo says that Eldians are treated worse in the other nations outside of Marley

@dovahkiin2206

2 жыл бұрын

@@Odin69 I see, thanks for the info. Despite that, I still think Eren should've just destroyed Marley only and used the rumbling to defend paradis after that. If any other nation tried to make a move, then take care of them too. After Eren has made an example out of marley, it's doubtable that other nations would be dumb enough to declare war, and if they do, rinse and repeat. Self defense against a war is justifiable, but mass genocide isn't. That's my opinion

@vincevergara5520

2 жыл бұрын

@@dovahkiin2206 the unfortunate thing is that they didn’t have the time to just keep defending against attacks zeke only had one more year to live and eren did not want to sacrifice historia

@dovahkiin2206

2 жыл бұрын

@@vincevergara5520 once the rumbling is activated, it stays activated does it not? It doesn't need the person with royal blood to stay alive, as long as it was already activated, all should be fine

@vincevergara5520

2 жыл бұрын

@@dovahkiin2206the founders power can only be used by royal blood or if someone were to make contact with it. Zeke is still in contact with eren which is why the rumbling is happening if zeke were to separate from eren the rumbling would stop.

What people don’t understand is that is not that Genocide is wrong, but in the context of Aot what is it going to bring to the paradisians. The answer is pretty simple, nothing. Because the hate they are erasing is just temporary. The show has stated and tried to tell that conflict is human nature, Erwin literally says conflict will not end, not even if we are down to one” or what Kiyomi said to Floch “all you doing is making the world smaller” .Also the Yeagerist are a representation of the old Eldian empire, the same ones that enslaved and butchered civilizations, the same ones that led to the creation of the Titan era. The cycle will not end cuz we always choose violence when we are confused and scare.

@user-tg9gt6bk9u

Жыл бұрын

Nobody chooses violence when they’re scared unless they’re a child,or in a war, in reality we choose violence to defend ourselves and fight those who hate us,or are trying to kill us

@user-tg9gt6bk9u

Жыл бұрын

And the cycle would end of eren hadn’t been stopped by the people that were called friends

@rosegiogio9255

Жыл бұрын

@@user-tg9gt6bk9u how come would it end?

@user-tg9gt6bk9u

Жыл бұрын

@@rosegiogio9255 It would end if eren killed everyone, it would be better,and as flock was already planning if any of their own in paradis (including Mikasa, Jean,Connie) and the rest didn’t like it then they’d have to be dealt with

@rosegiogio9255

Жыл бұрын

@@user-tg9gt6bk9u what a way to end the cycle 🤦‍♂️ “hey if you don’t like my genocide plan then will just have to persecute you ” 🤦‍♂️ did you even read my original comment?

W point fs I hope there’s an anime original ending, I personally don’t think isayama put himself in a hole, Marley alliance was similar to Itachis way of saving the world in exchange of his own people whilst there yeagarist valued their own, I think it was good writing bcuz it shows the constrast of morality.

I ain’t gon lie bro you killed this shit.

Just because it's wrong, doesn't mean that we wouldn't do it anyways.

Genocide is the rightful decision it's the way to stop the cycle of hated that will threaten eldia in the future.

The frist time I had to use the speed down setting

The world in this anime is just so extreme. And that's why, the only expected response is the extreme one.

Eren did nothing wrong. They threw stones so we threw a knife.

Floch is the true successor of Erwin and the uncrowned King of Paradise

All hail King Floch

I wonder what will happen to the world if the enemy obtained the Founding Titan and eradicated the Paradis Island? Nobody seems to think about this outcome as they are focusing more on Eren's rumbling. He was just delaying hatred actions towards his people in order for his friends to live long and have a good life. Conflicts will continue anyway nmw. I'm with Eren all throughout. A short-lived genocide is better than long-lived genocide that the Marley will inflict to the world once they get the Founding Titan. At the very least, Eren was able to stop the Titan powers which flourish more greed and hatred to the world. It also ended a long suffering of Ymir.

Paradis being a ghetto not even recognized nor protected by the world governments, despite its small size and its will to leave the world in peace as long as they can live in peace, brings me some really weird flashbacks from contemporary history. Espescially the all terrorism acts Eren sunk into...

idk why eren is mad at the world. he basically killed his own mom

@user-74856

Жыл бұрын

That's poor writing and the exact reason why people hated the ending lol....some of the things in the story literally don't make sense 😂 ,.............so maybe you should ask this same question to isayama lol

Short answer: YES

Take a shot every time he says “would you rather sacrifice your friends and family” 🥴

@justadummy8076

8 ай бұрын

I ended up hospitalised 🤕

@Wikigul

8 ай бұрын

im dead💀 @@justadummy8076

Change the skin color of Eren and the Paradis people and you will get pro alliance people switching over real fast

@sageex3931

3 ай бұрын

Facts