I am not concerned with score whether strings make them lower or higher. I just don't like the difference in pin action. It looks dull and clunky. But good for the small mom & pops though.

Thank you both for doing a video on this subject. Great learning experience on the possible future of this sport that I have loved for over 50 years!

I wish you had explained what string pins are. This is the first I’ve ever heard of them and I still don’t know what they are.

@kidwave1

2 ай бұрын

Exactly! How moronic

@oldschoolfan8098

2 ай бұрын

It's basically just strings that pull on the pins to reset them and stuff

@Mr.Pojangle

Ай бұрын

This video is not for you

@ViaticalTree

Ай бұрын

@@Mr.Pojangle Nice fedora.

@eugenelane3291

Ай бұрын

There’s tons of videos out there you can learn really quick with string. Pinz are. There’s lots of brands and some of them are pretty flimsy.

We had a small bowling alley go to string pins. Winter league ( I used to bowl In) went from 17 teams to 6.

@LowBudgetHighRollers

2 ай бұрын

Yep bowling is trying to kill itself

Nice to see Lehigh Lanes get some love - I thought it looked familiar before you confirmed. I bowled there a little bit as a kid when I lived there. Unfortunately, I didn't spend as much time there as I wish I had. I normally made the drive out to Fort Myers and bowled at Galaxy Lanes (now known as Lightning Strikes). With Bowlero taking over, I definitely echo the sediment of supporting the mom n' pop alleys.

That certain center used to have annoying metal scrapping noise on lanes 3-4, 5-6, 7-8. Now that the worn out pinsetters have been replaced, it is much quieter. That makes for easier session on the ears.

as your biggest fan from Milwaukee and being 60 yrs old i am old school enough said much love to you both PS Nate when you throw it like that in this video at like 90% of your normal speed much like you did when you went 500 over at the 1st PBA stop in Kansas i love your ball motion and tempo and release so so much more as you don,t wrench on it maybe those STRING pins are really worth practicing on as it gives you options to get the 10 out and ELISE is ELISE just a triple threat Beauty Brains & bowling much love you guys always rooting for both of you

These are the same machines that my university has. They make practice great because we set up spares and stuff, and they force you to find good ball reaction instead of pure power. You dont get many messengers and free hits so you have to be a little better when it comes to balls and how you play the lane. I enjoy practicing on them, but i dont love the idea of competing on them

@eugenelane3291

Ай бұрын

My Local house with GSX has the feature to reset pins for over 10 years. Btw it just closed. They are turning the land in to 208!condos.😢

@eugenelane3291

Ай бұрын

I know you said that these reset pins faster, but what’s happening is everybody’s all the centers are slowing their machines their Brunswick machines down so that they don’t have as much wear and tear on them. The Brunswick A2 machines were intentionally built to run fast so you could get two leagues a night in.

You went to Nebraska???? It was a dream of mine to bowl there and even got to do a one on one with Coach Bill Straub. Had I gone there; it would have been around the time Diandra Asbaty was there. At the time, I lived in Atlanta and every year they had a big tournament at Cedar Creek and the Husker Teams were always there. So it was good to go see them and catch up with Coach Straub. Now, I live in Tampa and bowl at Lane Glo. I have been a lifelong Husker fan as my family originates from Lincoln. I believe Coach Rhule is going to do some great things with our football program. Maybe one day I will see you guys at Lane Glo. GO BIG RED!!!!

Hello, are you using a different Ball "Plastic" when you are shooting straight for the 7 or 10 Pin? I have always had a Hook Shot. And I can never shoot a straight ball. I also bowl with only 2 fingers in my ball. So all 3 of the Balls I have are Reactive Balls for my Hook Shots. I have 3 Columbia 300 Speed Balls. I have to "300 Speed", "300 Top Speed" and the "300 High Speed". And was thinking about getting the "Columbia White Dot Scarlet" Ball for my straight shots. What do you think? Also, are you keeping your wrist straight when throwing the ball, or rotating your wrist to shoot the straight balls?

You bowled the force that I wanted to see, some good speed and strong rotation, I wanted to see how that reaction worked on the string-pins

@DeeDeeCHAUNCEY

2 ай бұрын

Same here

@eugenelane3291

Ай бұрын

You know a lot of emphasis is being put on the string pins, but also the kickbacks and the curtains play a big part. It will be interesting to see how these kickbacks hold up to extremely powerful bowlers.

I bowl in a string pins alley for a league and I can confirm that pin action is vastly different. We get some pins to fall from Tarzaning across the lane sometimes and also see pins falling from string to string contact rather than pin to pin contact. 80% of the time it's not being sketchy though.

Bro why am I watching bowling videos and why can't I stop

Those look a lot better than the first string lanes I'd bowled on a few years ago, they were very clunky, it was barely even bowling IMO. It was kind of sad but I realized at the time it was the cheaper way to go, hence the future, glad to see it's improved quite a bit. I'm just an ocasional bowler and no idea why I was recommended this video, but it was entertaining!

I def trust your feedback and, after watching I'm a little less concerned about this transition. I was hoping we'd seen some close up shots of the pin action and even the pins resetting. The interview at the end was very informative. Appreciate you guys!

Good video thanks

String pins makes ten pin bowling a challenge similar to candlepin or duck pin bowling. Good luck pros! Thanks.

Yes, there’s a huge difference in pain action. I definitely do not like how the pins sometimes go down like they’re laying down really slow. I’ve seen it too many times bowling on this lane.

Elise you r soooo funny… LMAO😂

Strings are the future whether anybody likes it or not. With the amount of centers who have closed this will save alot of money for the centers and hopefully keep more of them open

@MR1977.

2 ай бұрын

Nope. This will kill bowling

@LowBudgetHighRollers

2 ай бұрын

@@MR1977.yep, short term cost reduction will result in complete destruction of the sport

@MR1977.

2 ай бұрын

@@LowBudgetHighRollers I bowled strings for the first time a few weeks ago it was terrible and I will never bowl at that center again. Casual bowlers don’t keep bowing centers open. They might be alright with this but not serious bowlers. Maybe a hybrid? X amount of traditional pin setters for league and X amount of strings for the casuals? That might work.

@phillipmeears

19 күн бұрын

Interesting enough Holywood bowl group in the UK started installing them in there bowls and have now ceased as the costs of replacing the strings was coming in higher than standered pin setters

@MrJonbon1

Күн бұрын

This will kill most centers. League bowlers, especially the high rev crankers will hate the decreased pin action. League bowlers pay the center's overhead costs, casual bowlers and parties are the profit. With out the leagues, most centers will not make enough revenue to stay open.

People keep saying they like the strings because they can set up any spares that they want but at my local center, which happened to have just closed (Gable House) has had that feature on the GSX for 10 years or more

Scared to purchase dna coil. Big asym pearls from storm don’t do well for me. I was even hesitant to buy that hammer effect but BOI was I glad I did. That thing is a monster.

Keep bowling real. No need to cancel our game. Old fashioned and honest, no strings attached

You two are a hoot.!!!!😀🎳🎳🎳🎳🎳🎳🎳🎳🎳🎳

So to me the hits seem on par with what I expect for normal pinsetters. I think Nate raises a good point in that they seem "heavy" which is probably some worthwhile feedback the USBC could use while perfecting the minimum specs.

@NateandElise

2 ай бұрын

The heavy could also be because they are like brand new.

Unfortunately we have the none certified at the house i am currently bowling at. You can definitely tell the shorter none certified strings get alot more stranger hits. These look based on the video like they act alot more normal.

youtube replay value on videos really let you know where to skip around

Love this

More importantly, Nate finally got a haircut!

The house I bowl league on got string pins and it's not THAT different. They are USBC certified as well. I feel like I see more splits but its hard to say. I also see some "string action" where the pin will go down that definitely shouldn't have.

I find the discussion interesting.......... even though I'm just a hack bowler. My son plays on his school team, and LIKES going to the different regional lanes because they all play differently. It's a new challenge. I don't believe any of our regional lanes are string though. Only stringpins I played on was a mini arcade rig, and that doesn't count.

I have a very biased opinion on string pinsetters. As a pinsetter mechanic who makes a living off of free fall pinsetters, I obviously am not a fan of them. With that being said I understand there are good use cases for them. Small centers that can't afford head mechanics and FEC centers that don't host a ton of leagues and tournaments are good candidates for them.

No more messengers = No more happiness.😭

@jaybird4834

3 ай бұрын

Yes that is what I don’t see. Hits are not as exciting. Pins not flying across the lane as the string stops them. I am ok with string bowling as long as it is separate averages. For just going out and having some fun it’s fine with me.

I've bowled on them in a league for three years now. No change in average for myself or anyone else in the league vs traditional. Still want the traditional setters back though.

I feel so awful for any serious bowlers, not only are they just squeezing the bowling community for any money left, they're gaslighting you into thinking Strings will save bowling.

@bowlnow824

3 ай бұрын

It's getting harder and harder to find help for the mechanics in the bowling industry unfortunately. So they having to do what they need to do unfortunately. I am not a fan of it but I will still bowl

@justly3943

3 ай бұрын

@@bowlnow824 probably from being underpaid. its tough work sometimes and ik around me theyre not paid much

@heftygainz

3 ай бұрын

Whats the alternative? Your local center closes down and you dont bowl......id rather bowl on string pins then not bowl.

@gwencrawford737

3 ай бұрын

You nailed it.

@gwencrawford737

3 ай бұрын

@@heftygainz I've got a good alternative. Push the automatic pinsetters into the junk heap and recycle the materials. Revert back to the manual pin-spotters, operated by pin-boys and pin-girls. BEST part? You can redesign those manual pin-spotters with modern materials, so that you can use two full racks of pins per lane, to speed up the process, and make it safer for the pin-spotting staff. You eliminate a TON of energy overhead. You create opportunities for our young folks to enter the bowling industry EARLY ON, and create a stable foundation for the future of the sport. You reduce overhead and maintenance costs substantially. You maintain the integrity of the sport, and expand the participation tent exponentially. This also expands the market. Center owners who are taking a bath on the high costs of automatic pin spotter maintenance and utility costs, might actually be able to afford the new manual pin-spotters, which, if they're designed right, won't take an extensive mechanical education to repair them and keep them working right. Being a pin-spotter operator? All you're doing is picking up pins, tossing them into the machine, pulling a lever and voila... setting them up. And you're picking up the ball and putting it on the return ramp to send it back to the bowler. Piece of cake. Kids 12 and up can do it and have some fun, making a little money of their own. It was my dad's first job and he loved it. He got paid by the line... and when nothing was going on, he and the others could set for each other and roll a few games, or they could learn how to care for the lanes themselves. All of this expanded your market. If you expand the market... you get MORE houses up... not less. The more houses up... the more participation you'll get... the more participation you get, the more the sport grows. The more the sport grows... the more money there is to be made.

The USBC people said it’ll be too separate different categories and won’t have anything to do with free pin scores

For Elise’s case a Lighter Ball would Allow for more speed along with a more aggressive Ball Would give her the Extra Rev Rate and Lessen the Male/Female Difference!

yea if this is more cost effective for small mom and pop spots im all for it

I like how ya’ll go in depth with this with the owners. Your educational and competition videos I like better. Am I a fan of string pins not at all. I would support local family owned places for fun.

So does the whole other machine come out in the back and replaced by the string pin machine how does that work

@LowBudgetHighRollers

2 ай бұрын

Yes

What are string pins

Why did the alleys go to string pins?

I used to set pins as a kid. Any thoughts of going back to setting the pins Manually using a pin boy or pin girl ? Pay a low wage, and the setter can also receive tips.

@jfisher4

2 ай бұрын

Child labor laws, minimum wage, and a general backlash towards tipping these days, Bill. 1955, it ain't.

In the dictionary under the word "thick" there's a picture of this beautiful hunk of a woman here. ❤

Very good informative video, but as to whether or not this is the future of bowling not even close if anything it is bad for bowling. What I saw from you as with several others who've done these string pin videos, they're not the same and they're not close to being the same as regular bowling. First off what I see is very little to no pin carry/action. No matter how well or bad Elise and Nate hit the pocket it still sounded like and looked like the pins were very dead, y'all got very little pin action/reaction from each ball y'all threw down the lanes. Strings aren't the solution to bowling, y'all want to fix a real problem how about getting the ball returns off of the approaches and out of the bowlers' way? Y'all want to fix the mechanical problem well strings aren't the answer but coming up with new technology when it comes to the pin setters is better than replacing them with strings. With today's technology one would think it wouldn't be very hard to do. I'll say it again and continue to say it strings aren't the answer period end of story. Pin action and carry is and has always been the excitement in the game and now that's being taken away from us because of these strings. Bowling will become very boring to watch if that was to happen. All this is, is a barker's arcade type of game you'd see at a fair, carnival or something like that fun for the family but not good for league bowling or pro bowling. USBC messed up by certifying these things and they shouldn't be allowed to be used in league or at the pro level. If a bowling alley want to create a string pin league that's fine but those averages must be separate from regular league bowling.

Look at it this way, strings on pins are a control factor, it doesn’t naturally bring down all the pins as naturally as the bowler throws a perfect strike.

I started leagues in 1976 and when/if our alley goes to string pins I will not bowl any longer

I like you guys and your videos but I been bowling on string pins for a year and they're ridiculous. That 10 pin you left that gave you a strike and didn't set. Happens all the time. The bowling alley noise is so quiet. Hits are weird in the long term weird splits. Good women bowlers struggle because as you move left no pin carry. A lot of editing in the video in interview with owners. They know it's not good but what can they really say. It's more profitable by far for them. Unfortunately this is the wave of the future because of money. Just the way it is. Take it or leave it.

@bowlnow824

3 ай бұрын

It's getting harder and harder to find mechanics to work on the machines. I agree also with you but never bowled on string pins

@aidenoconnor6288

3 ай бұрын

You can get rid of that ghost ten pin if you have a good mechanic that knows how to change the force sensor for the ten pin

@bradsmith4331

Ай бұрын

I like how you know what was said at a table that you weren't sitting at. They bowled and gave their opinion.

@johnc2612

Ай бұрын

​@bradsmith4331 So nobody is allowed to give an opinion unless they are present or in ear shot whenever something is occurring? Got it. Lazy comeback and you're a month late on this video. Bet you never bowled on string pins either.

I understand it will make maintenance much cheaper for bowling centers. But I will never bowl with string pins. Also they have different lengths on the strings.

Yes no doubt

I think string pinsetters are well suited to 9 pin bowling like the German 'Kegeln Schere'.

These look good. I don't have an issue with this.

Lol same controversy happened in Canada in 5 pin bowling 40 Years ago

Dam girl you can bowl 👍👍👌👌

Next video use bowling pins that used for strings in a free fall pinsetter.😮

@bradsmith4331

Ай бұрын

So normal pins but with holes?

Yes

String pins remind me of soft tip darts. Arcade game.

@konaken1035

Ай бұрын

I like Darts,. Good analogy.

In my opinion, the lack of messengers would make the pro game less fun to watch. However, it may bring the one hand versus two hand games closer to the same (since the messengers generated from a higher rev rate would no longer exist). Simo and Belmo would likely quit LOL--just kigdding

I say yes it is because one string pins are not meant to be on actual bowling lanes they are meant for arcades only USBC is essentially turning they are trying to squeeze any kind of money out centers just to get people to not only Bowl on em two those string setters are more of a headache than they are worth the string pins you don't get the Messenger across the lane I know one center in my area that doesn't want string setters

One thing they don’t talk about is the pens need to get rotated frequently, especially the 135. When bowled by good powerful bowlers that one pin just gets beat to hell.

Do they use standard size pins?

@Slinginghotlead007

3 ай бұрын

The pins are hollowed out some to accommodate the string in them.

@NateandElise

3 ай бұрын

If you watch the video it’s explained 😃

@NateandElise

3 ай бұрын

No. Watch the video.

@Slinginghotlead007

3 ай бұрын

I’m on the fence. It probably stems from me not actually being a fan of Bowlero. From the stand point that I know they invested/partnered up with the PBA. But I don’t feel that gives them any say so in it’s decisions or game play because they will always lean to what benefits them. That would mean that the PBA is controlled by its investors and not the actual nuances of the sport or fans. Just my thoughts. I love bowling and will just keep bowling. Love the content guys. It’s all of you guys that are actually providing or feeding the fanbase of bowling. Giving us entertainment from the sport of bowling.

What is a "string pin"?

I jist moved away from a bowlero that went to string pins to a center with a traditional setter and our new team name is "no string pins" 👍. I dont like the lack of pin action on string pins.

This idea of string pins changes this game in so many ways. The possibility of messenger/s being eliminated n overall pin action is not real bowling. Splits will be damn near impossible

Not interested in string pins in the slightest. If our center ever changes to string pins, I will quit bowling, along with about 90% of the league bowlers we have (we have a LOT of league bowlers)

@AussiePillow1

3 ай бұрын

The center will still continue to run too, because league bowlers arent the main source of income for them. Its the open bowlers that bring in the money. Open bowlers dont care about strings. There are plenty of centres that survive without even oiling their lanes because open bowlers dont even know that lanes are oiled to begin with and they willingly pay twice as much for a game than a league member.

@squidly2112

3 ай бұрын

@@AussiePillow1 - not at our bowling center. Leagues and tournaments are by far the biggest income. I have had many conversations about this with our general manager, who has been running this center for more than 20 years. He says he will never, ever, go to string pins. He will lose his primary cash cow (leagues and tournaments). He agrees that the industry is making a big mistake promoting string pins. The money is in the tournament bowler. They are the ones who spend the most, by far. They eat the most, they drink the most, they spend the most money on events and equipment, by far. They have opened 2 more "family fun centers" in our area, both string pin. One other center in our area just converted to string pin. We are left with only a couple of centers doing serious type bowling (leagues and tournaments). One center that just recently changed ownership is moving AWAY from the "family fun center" and changing to a league/tournament house. They are removing their laser tag and other gaming stuff and adding another 26 lanes. They recognize that the string pin/family fun centers will not be sustainable and are building up to compete with the 52 lane center that I bowl at with leagues and tournaments. At my center we have leagues every day of the week and FULL HOUSE leagues almost every evening. On top of that, we are the venue for all major tournaments in the area. We have the PWBA coming next month. We have the PBA50 coming the following month. And next year we may be having a PBA regional. Plus all of the middle school, high school and college tournaments are done here. Funny thing though, the GM says he actually makes more money from leagues than he does those tournaments.

@heftygainz

3 ай бұрын

You must not be a real bowler if you're going to completely quit because of string pins.

@squidly2112

3 ай бұрын

@@heftygainz - tell that to the hundreds of other league and tournament bowlers at our center that feel exactly the same way. I have absolutely no desire to bowl with string pins, and neither do they. I will go back to golf, at least there are no string attached.

@jeremiahschill5205

3 ай бұрын

I feel like the small town centers totally rely on league bowlers. My center doesnt do too much business during the off season aside from the ocassional birthday party or rainy days... just a thought

It would be OK for kids, family or business outtings, open bowling. Thats it.

From a bowling center perspective: String pins are a great cost saver. Centers would focus more on social/rec bowling From a bowlers perspective: even though we hate wonky bounces and near misses, that is just a part of the game and we would rather miss than have a string on string carry.

@gwencrawford737

3 ай бұрын

I can come up with a bigger cost saver than string pins. It's called "Manual pin-spotters". They don't use any juice... and just about anyone with the 'handyman' level of skill can maintain them beautifully. My father's first job was as a pin-spotter (aka "pin-boy") and it's part of the reason bowling was all but a family tradition for my sister and I growing up. Mom and Dad both were avid bowlers. And yes... I've bowled on a lane with a manual pin-spotter and I've even gone back and did the pin-spotting myself. Good exercise... good fun... I'd have been comfortable having my children do it for a first job. For people who'd be worried about child labor laws... it wouldn't take much to get legislators to pass a law that recognizes "pin-boys" and "pin-girls" as a starter job for young folks, the same way mowing people's lawns or raking their leaves or washing their cars are all good 'starter jobs'. And of course, ensure that it isn't a big nightmare for bowling alley owners, to provide those opportunities to young people... while ensuring it isn't a sweatshop for the people doing the job. Wages could be determined by the line for open, and a flat fee for leagues, tournaments and other special events.

@leaving10pins44

3 ай бұрын

@@gwencrawford737wow what a horrible idea. Most centers don’t have enough money to hire pin setters for each lane and if they’re running out of mechanics, what makes you think they’ll get pinboys

@gottadrivem5878

2 ай бұрын

@@leaving10pins44 How much does a bowling alley mechanic make?

String pins are bad for serious bowling but good as an arcade game.

@ou812true5

3 ай бұрын

You're the expert.

People wonder why our sport can get into the Olympics. This is one reason why because If us as serious bowlers allow Stringpins to take away the integrity of our sport then why should anyone else take it seriously as a sport and not just a game such as you would see at a county fair.

I would think the strings would make the pins fall weird I dont think its good.

String pins won't make that much of a difference. What would make a HUGE difference is to get the ball returns off of the approach. That didn't matter in the 60s when you threw rubber bowling balls. With the strong reactives and oil patterns that can push you left, there is no reason to still have a huge obstruction in your way.

Sweet baby extraterrestrial jesus … this is making me feel funny in the front of my pants .. What’s happening to me ?

Regular bowling will never go away

String pins are an abomination. Took me years to accept two-handed bowling but I will NEVER be OK with string pinsl

@DeeDeeCHAUNCEY

2 ай бұрын

Sounds like a you problem.

@TonysMusic1974

2 ай бұрын

@DeeDeeCHAUNCEY no. Sounds like an overwhelming majority of bowlers problem.

Hey Nate and Elise

Just need to refine string-to-string pinfalls.

Most bowling alleys won’t use strings especially for tournaments. I hate strings I would stop bowling if I that’s all I had was strings.

@richiebarrettjr3629

2 ай бұрын

My lanes lost alot leagues cause strings and cant go to tournaments really hurts the bowlers from all over cities

These look pretty good actually. What I like the most is the lack of the headpin flying all over the place taking out the 10. I think it will cut down on carry for pure power players who have huge pockets. These might actually bring back some skill to the game.

Yes they are

Yes.

Why am I getting the vibe that when someone says the “future” of this or that just means it’s gonna suck? Seems like everything is heading in the wrong direction. Free fall pin setters can’t be improved and made more cost effective? We just have to scrap them all together? This feels like the industry is just admitting defeat.

Are String Pins Killing The Future Of Bowling!?! YES... YES... YES... YES... YES... I can't stand String Pins. They're the worst thing that has ever happened to bowling. Get rid of them as quickly as possible!!!

STRING THEORY

Looks completely normal.

It's not good at all...💯💯🇺🇲🇺🇲

String is OK for an arcade, not for a bowling alley.

Strings!!!

I'll quit bowling if they go to string pins...

@ou812true5

3 ай бұрын

See ya!

@HPontara1

3 ай бұрын

me too

10:27 that 1 pin definitely was gonna messenger the 10, or at least touch it.. even one unnatural pin roll is too many. String pins suck so much

For how good Elise throws the ball she doesn’t deserve nine all the time.

I watched for awhile but never saw any string pins (string pen setting). If they keep getting strikes and spares there won't be much to see.

No messenger

They day our bowling facility goes to string pins is the day I sell all my equipment, quit bowling, and focus on golf. They want to ruin our game so they can save a few bucks?

I don't like string pins I like the regular bowling pins more original

String pins are fine for amusement centers but not real bowling.

Sometimes a pin will move off spot. Free fall will place the pin back exactly where it was. Strings Can't do that.

String pins? I'm kind of getting attached to them.

Won't ever bowl on them...just that simple.

String pin setters can make universal bowling alleys a reality. With an all size ball return, and interchangeable string pins feeders we can do candlepin, duckpin, five pin, ten pin, and Kegel bowling tournaments in the same bowling alley. Just fix the computer control and voila! Five times the tournaments, five schedules, and five times the profits.

Strings usually kill all of the fun